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New HERO device - Why?

Why doesn't HTC make the Android OS available for the Blackstone? They just released the HTC Hero (very cool video as well) here:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/gallery.html
and the hardware specs are almost identical as the Blackstone -
HTC should make the ROMs available without direct support and let the XDA community keep it going (for those who want away from WinMobile)
I LOVE my Blackstone (especially with Dutty's ROM) but would prefer an Android based device if possible.
Maybe we should petition HTC to let Android loose for the Blackstone device (at least have access to the Hero ROM for porting)
What do you think??
Thx,
R.Fox

rfox said:
Why doesn't HTC make the Android OS available for the Blackstone? They just released the HTC Hero (very cool video as well) here:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/gallery.html
and the hardware specs are almost identical as the Blackstone -
HTC should make the ROMs available without direct support and let the XDA community keep it going (for those who want away from WinMobile)
I LOVE my Blackstone (especially with Dutty's ROM) but would prefer an Android based device if possible.
Maybe we should petition HTC to let Android loose for the Blackstone device (at least have access to the Hero ROM for porting)
What do you think??
Thx,
R.Fox
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I don't think a petition would make much difference, people will still go out and buy HTC devices, so why should they change?
Also, HTC are aware of sites like XDA and know it would only be a while before a version compatible for the HD was created....so why should they do it?
I'm with you though. I wish the support HTC provided for existing customers equalled Apples who offer free upgrades etc

Android on Touch HD
If the specs of the HD and Hero are so similar, then surely it is possible just to port the OS over, as is? It is Open Source after all. It doesn't need HTC's permission for us to put it there. And as for support, surely the Android community in partnership with XDA-D would be enough?

porting a rom from a device with 3 times as small native res would be some feat

Hello,
first of all, I am new here and must say - really great work here!
Touch HD vs. Hero:
OK the specifications are almost the same, almost! Hero has multitouch, this is a step against Touch HD! Touch HD has the better resolution, if I am not wrong.
Windows against Android (inc. Sens): If I look on the new Hero product tour on htc - great - I want quite clearly Android! However, I am confident that this will be available on Touch HD... sooner or later, official or unofficial!

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Rudegar said:
porting a rom from a device with 3 times as small native res would be some feat
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Ah yes, forgot that difference!

Fallen Spartan said:
I don't think a petition would make much difference, people will still go out and buy HTC devices, so why should they change?
Also, HTC are aware of sites like XDA and know it would only be a while before a version compatible for the HD was created....so why should they do it?
I'm with you though. I wish the support HTC provided for existing customers equalled Apples who offer free upgrades etc
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Unfortunately there is a slight flaw with that. The new device creation along with inherent new OS and/or Software allows companies to diversify their wares to a much larger extent than Apple. Whilst Apple, as I agree, manage to keep their users up to date with the latest and greatest they produce, the breadth of what they produce is sadly lacking.
It's a trade off and as anything comes down to money and a business model.

it's not hard to figure why
its a business and about making money
plain and simple

Leo or Nokia N900

I'm anxious to know what you all think about the HTC Leo and the Nokia N900. Which of these two devices is a suitable repacement for our beloved Touch HD??
regards, Kuzibri

Leo........

ArtieQ said:
Leo........
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could you explain why?

kuzibri said:
could you explain why?
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I hate Nokia and love HTC?

ArtieQ said:
I hate Nokia and love HTC?
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not really an objective answer. I love HTC too, but the N900 isn't that bad. Why do you hate Nokia?

kuzibri said:
not really an objective answer. I love HTC too, but the N900 isn't that bad. Why do you hate Nokia?
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I hate Nokia because of Symbian OS.

ArtieQ said:
I hate Nokia because of Symbian OS.
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N900 is not Symbian but Maemo (Linux)

i am actualy considering the N900 , i love HTC as a company ,
but i am very dissapointed from the HTC speed .
and because of that , the Leo is a device with strong processor , and a very bad OS.
if he had the N900 OS , or android , that was nice .
anyway , N900 for me !
and someone should tell HTC to stop sell a good device with bad OS !

Leo looks as though it could be a great device, but Windows Mobile 6.5 is just really starting to show its age and bulkiness(slow even on a Snapdragon). HTC also gimped it by giving it a 65k screen - what's the point of having such a large screen if everything looks like crap on it?
I love my Touch HD, but compared to my friend's 3GS it doesn't have many strong points(and compared to the n900 it loses on all accounts). I'd still wait for more announcement concerning the Xperia X3 before making my final choice.

N900 is interesting but the "Landscape Only" is ugly... Linux OS makes it like PC and this is good but CPU/RAM/Battery moving it?
I have Touch HD and I don't think to buy Leo because no real improvements but not N900 too
I'm waiting for something in future
D'rath

I'm with you D'rath on this one as Archos just announced their 4.3 Inch Phone Tablet outfitted with a 1Ghz Hummingbird and android. February 2010 is going to be an interesting month for sure!

I'l be waiting for Tegra/WinMo 7 before i change my HD

when i saw the leo video review i decided to keep my hd leo camera still sucks only improvement is the processor but in the review it is not also so fast don't differ allot the only issue with hd is that it will not get wm6.5 officially when talking about memo5 in nokia n900 it has not allot of applications and not good support for games and applications

Toss3 said:
...Archos just announced their 4.3 Inch Phone Tablet outfitted with a 1Ghz Hummingbird and android.
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Has it actually been announced or is it just more rumours?
If it's the former, do you have a link?

Toss3 said:
HTC also gimped it by giving it a 65k screen - what's the point of having such a large screen if everything looks like crap on it?
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It was probably gimped because WM 6.5 only supports 65k colors... still.
The appeal of getting a enormous screen and a much faster processor in Leo is tempting. N900 is interesting, but being a completely new OS think it's best to wait and see. The X3 / SE Rachel also looks tasty, but again too few details to make it a sure-buy.
If nuerom can get overclocking working stablely on the MSM 720x devices I think I'll stay on HD for until end of next year at least

I got for the Leo, I will buy it when it hit the streets.
N900 is bulky compared to leo (because the hardward qwerty keyboard), Leo seems to be faster and more polished in the picture viewer and video playback. Not to mention the multitouch of Leo, wich can become a standard for WM7 and future high end devices.
So for leo:
+Multitouch
+4.3" screen
+I like touchflo
+I love TouchFlo3d
-Dont like WM 6.5 (perhaps with some tweking start menu can be set to work like 6.1,need to read further about this)
...and for Nokia:
+hardware qwerty
-Not symbian (how many aplicacions exist for that varely unused "new" os?)
-Not like the interface

I don't think I would spend that much money on a Htc Leo, and only get a litle faster, a bigger screen and multi touch. I would rather keep my HD, which can do almost anything that Leo can.
If i buy a new phone it has to be much better than the HD, the HD can do almost anything (with a leo rom, its even much better)
The N900 looks like a nice phone. A qwerty keyboard is nice, and I like on the first sight the new Linux os. But I will wait for a while till I get a new device.

n900 for me - I've had guts-full of winmo, and android just doesnt do it for me (dont really like the interface or the architecture tbh).
And btw to the people who say they 'love' these companies because of x, y or z - get real lol. the only time I can imagine someone loving a company is if they either work for that company and they are being paid to say it or they have developed some twisted form of Stockholm syndrome around their employer... if you don't fit into either of these categories, you are a fanboi idiot both are capitalist scumbag companies nearly as bad as apple they cant help it, its just how the world works.
as for the actual devices the n900 interests me greatly, being the smallest posix compliant device ever (afaik?). to 'tarded joe public that probably doesnt mean anything, but to a coder/geek its fantastic!
andriod imo is hacky and not very mmmm.. viable(?) for a range of application areas (e.g. video players?) - is it true that all the apps for android have to be written in java? for real? why?
to me, the n900 looks to be suffering from early run hw problems - these im told should be fixed in the 2nd and 3rd runs. as for the software, anything that is currently not working im very sure will be working very soon - simply due to the community around the device and the openness of the platform - this alone sets the n900 apart from everything else - including android (which although linux based, is very different) - a great example of this fact is the fmradio app (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/fmradio/).
if i've offended you with my opinion in this post, you may consider yourself offended - i don't care!
so, come January, ill be picking up an n900 its the only path of progression for me. btw, if im wrong on anything here please correct me.
my 2p (;
fusi

I know people complain about HTC all the time (myself included) but they do produce nice phones. My main concern is that they create new phones all the time with no real improvement between them. I think you'll find the next release (or 2-3 after) will be the device worth moving to from the HD.
Also, I'm addicted like many other to flashing (phones ), customizing and tweaking my HD as well as finding new fixes, helping others and constantly being online at XDA. If I was to get the N900 I would lose all this.....................

i'm moving at the moment from the touch pro 2 to n900. why? because as someone posted above im sick of sloweliness of my device (altough latest AthineOS was excellent )
im also a flashing n customizing addict, and on every single device from htc ive had, after installing mod's the OS was simply slowing down.. even changing the wallpaper was a pain in the a**(especially in Manila- u know what i mean ).
im not saying that htc is crap or something, but n900 seems to better fit my needs now.
Getting it in couple days n we'll se was it worth going back to nokia ( god save me from that filthy n sh*tty Symbian) or not.
Surely i'll be missing htc in some way

Touch HD or Hero????

I'm considering buying a new HTC phone after Xmas as my Sony Ericsson W850i is getting a bit old. I've seen the Touch HD with WM6.5 roms but I've also seen the Hero. Which one should I go for? [PS. I'm from the UK]

Come on, i will take the LEO and sell my HD to you.

As above post, why not go for latest phone 'Leo' a.k.a. the HD2 instead of both the HD and the Hero??
If you would still rather go for either the HD or Hero, then its simply down to whether you want Android or Windows

MehLon said:
I'm considering buying a new HTC phone after Xmas as my Sony Ericsson W850i is getting a bit old. I've seen the Touch HD with WM6.5 roms but I've also seen the Hero. Which one should I go for? [PS. I'm from the UK]
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I have an HD, one of my friends has a hero.
Both are awesome, it is a win win question.
do you want android or windows is the question.

CAVEGIANT said:
I have an HD, one of my friends has a hero.
Both are awesome, it is a win win question.
do you want android or windows is the question.
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I should add, most 6.5 roms stink so far.
Dutty's 6.1 has most of the feature stolen from 6.5, but with none of the crap

Fallen Spartan said:
As above post, why not go for latest phone 'Leo' a.k.a. the HD2 instead of both the HD and the Hero??
If you would still rather go for either the HD or Hero, then its simply down to whether you want Android or Windows
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Basically, I am on a bit of a budget as I am actually planning to get one pre-owned from 'Cex'. If I had the money, I would go for the Leo without another word but I can't. I'm new to the smartphone market and I've never tried Android or Windows Mobile. I just like the Sense UI on both [using a ROM if I got the HD]. Which OS should I go for?

MehLon said:
I'm considering buying a new HTC phone after Xmas as my Sony Ericsson W850i is getting a bit old. I've seen the Touch HD with WM6.5 roms but I've also seen the Hero. Which one should I go for? [PS. I'm from the UK]
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Hi, clearly i can say only:
Touch Hd - more advanced, more ability/opportunities, wm is more custom-able than android, touch hd have in development fully* working android
Hero - fastest interface, easy in use, lower resolution, no videocall's, hero housing/case is beautyfull, best quality I have seen.
Touch HD2 looks great but in my opinion too expensive atm - just wait for next gen. 1.5Ghz Snapdragon platforms

HD -> pocket-friendly, WM=heavy weight+Qualcomm/HTC hardware acceleration driver support for HD (therefore laggy), fully configurable&tweakable.
Hero -> pocket-friendly, Android=very lightweight (only sometimes laggy), consistent interface and apps, outstanding Google apps (e.g. free Street View Navigation) if you don't mind about your privacy, but may become boring if you like customizing your phone.
HD2 -> not pocket-friendly, the best and fastest (WM) phone out there.
Both HD and Hero phones are to be considered end-of-HTC-"support".
If you can afford to wait 9 more months, go for sth cheap meanwhile and take a look at the next HTC (Win7 OS and/or Tegra platforms) and iPhone generations, then consider again. If you can't wait, I'd currently go for the HD2, even though I'm very happy with my HD (but I wouldn't buy it again, it's a dying product).

Things I shouldnt expect from HD2 Android ?

Hi guys,
I might buy a HD2 and I want to do everything that a current DHD or DesireZ can do. So keeping this in mind what are things that I shouldnt expect from HD2 ?
Does it delivers every thing that a nexus one /desire/DZ/DHD deliver ?
I wanted to buy DHD... But its not available in US. Its quite expensive also. And no other options for 4.3 Inch screen
Thanks, Help me decide whether or not to buy this phone as an altenative for desire Z/Desire HD

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Hi guys,
I might buy a HD2 and I want to do everything that a current DHD or DesireZ can do. So keeping this in mind what are things that I shouldnt expect from HD2 ?
Does it delivers every thing that a nexus one /desire/DZ/DHD deliver ?
I wanted to buy DHD... But its not available in US. Its quite expensive also. And no other options for 4.3 Inch screen
Thanks, Help me decide whether or not to buy this phone as an altenative for desire Z/Desire HD
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I don't quite understand what you're asking. You're asking for help with a decision, but from what I'm reading, there is only one option?
To answer your more obvious question, I believe development for DHD/DHZ has stagnated, and the only thing it's missing is the camera. Not sure when/if devs will finish that. The Evo, desire, and nexus builds are pretty much 100% done though
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

If you're in the US, why don't you buy an Evo? I'm sure the new Sense will be ported to it (if it hasn't been already).

If you want the ability to switch between Windows Mobile and different Android builds, get the HD2.
If you want a native Android phone with similar (not the same though, before the pedants flame me) hardware to the HD2 get the Desire.
If you want a more up dated similar Android phone get the Desire HD.
If you want a hardware keyboard get the Z.
Thats pretty much it sport

Thanks
Coming to a conclusion that this phone is not a pure native android phone
Its better I w8 for Nexus S or go with DHD

As a TMOUS user I would just get the Desire HD if it was my first phone and I had the upgrade option. But I didnt, so I wanted the next best thing, a phone I could convert into a Desire HD, which was the HD2. I found one new in the box on craigs list for $250 and shelled out. Studied up on modding it and made it look like the Desire HD.

I'm also a TMOUS user and found one of craigslist for under 200. Until they come out with a new 4.3 android phone, this will be it for me. I don't get the data drops and the only issue I come across is the 10 second lag in autorotate with the touchscreen. I'll take that. If the Desire HD (or comparable) ever comes to the US that's what I will move to

Looks like camera fix is available on Desire HD builds now....

what you shouldn't expect a droid hd2...prefection.some builds are still WIP or some bugs not resolved.
then we have the nand camp who wants droid on their fone,wiping out winmo completely.this is still WIP.and still some impt issues not resolved.
other than that,hd2 is pretty impressive even with stock winmo.not that much of a diff between dhd other than a updated hardware.
if you like cutomising the hell out of ur fone but lack the money,go for hd2.you get spoilt to booting winmo cooked rom or droid builds available in the forums.

suhas_sm said:
Thanks
Coming to a conclusion that this phone is not a pure native android phone
Its better I w8 for Nexus S or go with DHD
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I dont know how you don't know that? It's a windows mobile 6.5 phone. How can a windows phone be a pure native android phone? If you are looking for a phone that can do exactly what a DHD or a Desire Z, you would have to get one of those phones as no other phone currently runs the new htc sense. The closest phone to a DHD or a Desire Z in US is an EVO 4G.

[Q] the immortal htc hd2

why do not you make a petition to make a kind of remake or enhanced htc hd 2?

Cyano-Botty said:
why do not you make a petition to make a kind of remake or enhanced htc hd 2?
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Sure, that would be great, but why would HTC want it? It doesn't benefit them in any way whatsoever. How exactly would they announce a brand new phone with high end hardware running... Windows Mobile? After which, how many people would even buy it? A fair number of people here on XDA maybe, but to 90% of people out there it would just be pointless and useless. Sadly, the only way we could get a HD2 remake would be to build one ourselves

Nigeldg said:
Sure, that would be great, but why would HTC want it? It doesn't benefit them in any way whatsoever. How exactly would they announce a brand new phone with high end hardware running... Windows Mobile? After which, how many people would even buy it? A fair number of people here on XDA maybe, but to 90% of people out there it would just be pointless and useless. Sadly, the only way we could get a HD2 remake would be to build one ourselves
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They could just make their existing Android flagship product as open as the HD2...

I "guess" any of the top notch phone now would do - as long as there are developers that would take interest in it.

i think if htc wants, they can do it...release a dual boot phone, high end spec phone with wp8 and android...they can release it like a dev phone...seen an upcoming asus tab which can dual boot...afterall android is open source....question is will Microsoft allow it?

Hey guys, I do have one HTC HD2 (EU) as well and its simply amazing except the battery though...
And I can imagine the new HTC J (butterfly) to be the new immortal king )
After a long time HTC made a really nice HD2 looking smartphone, too bad its for the Japanese market for now