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[Help Request] Live ROM Update

Objective :
Create an Update Utility based on the Windows Update in Official ROMs
Description :
My idea is to create a ROM that can be updated without the need of RUU we use now. For example, you have Core2.0n version of my ROM and since you installed it, I created another version, for example Core3. In order to update you'd normally have to download the latest ROM to your PC and re-flash your HTC Wizard.
I want to allow you to go online directly from your Wizard and check for new version. If new version found, then automatically download and flash. All you'd need is an Internet connection.
Limits/Problems :
There are some problems about this. This is where I need help.
Usually the PPC turns OFF and then the RUU writes the ROM. With the way I want it, the ROM must be written while the device is ON...and then it would do a Hard Reset in order to complete the Update.
I don't know yet if this is possible, but I am willing to try.
What I need :
People with Assembler knowledge
People with good PPC knowledge and understanding
Huge amount of luck
I remember someone here already tried to restore the Windows Update components. Unfortunately I can't remember who and if he succeeded or not.
I'll search for his thread and post any update.
The ORIGINAL thread is located HERE. Please feel free to join the development crew.​

The idea looks cool, it will allow us to redistribute updates and fixes to our roms more easy
But we have to figure out how the windows update feature is working, and how it manages to flash the downloaded update
I think that it downloads the updates to the storage card (in most cases there is not enough space in storage to store whole rom image) and then instructs the boot loader to flash the file from the card (this way it will be logical)
Also that way will be similar for all devices not just the wizard.
So the rom cookers can personalize windows update settings to update their roms trough it (of course separetely for every device)

xplode said:
The idea looks cool, it will allow us to redistribute updates and fixes to our roms more easy
But we have to figure out how the windows update feature is working, and how it manages to flash the downloaded update
I think that it downloads the updates to the storage card (in most cases there is not enough space in storage to store whole rom image) and then instructs the boot loader to flash the file from the card (this way it will be logical)
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I think we'll try to do that. However I doubt that Microsoft intended to use a Storage Card for update. This makes me curious on what method they would have used.
Other problem would be error checking...We must know for certain the OS is not corrupted before attempting the update.
Maybe I didn't said it...but I will say it now. My intention is only to flash through the air an OS, that means no other components, like SPL, IPL , radio or SplashScreens will be altered by the Update so no chance of bricking the device plus making the whole process easier to accomplish.
Other idea is to study the way that security programs (anti theft) use they're software so that the data is included in the rom with a simple install.(they say the program will be there even after a hard reset...though i didn't tried any)

I am sad to notice so little enthusiasm from people around here.
This would affect chefs more than regular people but still.
Back to business...
Questions :
Is it possible to flash directly the ROM with the PDA turned on ?
If so, how can we access the ROM directly ?
How to use .pkg ? Can we make use of them ?
Considering the Update deals only with relative minor changes, this means we can leave the XIP out. We can think of new Builds as major upgrades and require the use of normal flash. The big problem..and unfortunately the thing I know less about it's managing to insert the new update in a very "raw" manner.
I am firmly convinced that few people here posses the knowledge to do this.
Please come in front and let's make this thing happen.
I could try to reverse engineer the default windows update but it would take a great deal of time and I would probably get stuck without some help.
P.S. I managed to find the thread I was talking about before. It's located here.

I think is a great idea my friend. However there are many things to think before trying to do it. First of all to flash the new files you shall need to make a pdoc write but i have now idea how can be made via the device itself.
Where are the "patches" being stored before they are updated?
May be the process of hard reset shold be manual. This are only some toughts.

i would help u as much as i can...

great idea !
the update can be on the storage card and one can put the device into
bootloader/update mode by running this little program in the windows dir
to switch it to the 3 color screen.
With this WM5torage program i can acces the romchip itself and write it.
not sure wether it messes up things.

not sure if this will delete contents of the storagecard itself...
another thought... why not make the updatepackage and let windowsupdate install it for you ?

I think the best way to procede is to find out how to make a pkg file (faria seems to know) and then to sniff what the windows update app does when connecting to the MS server and see if we can emulate that on a test server.

Midget_1990 said:
I think the best way to procede is to find out how to make a pkg file (faria seems to know) and then to sniff what the windows update app does when connecting to the MS server and see if we can emulate that on a test server.
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All your ideas are great. But this was exactly what i had in mind. It seems the easiest way....only so little time right now. So...where`s Faria ?
P.S. Sorry for late reply...i thought ppl don`t care and i didn`t checked the thread

Does somebody of you have such a pkg file?
As I understand it right, this file will be delivered by windows update to the client?
I never got an Update via Windows Update... Everytime I try, there are no updates available ^^
Sniffing the Windows Update would be easy, I think. I could bet that all this stuff is done via a Webservice. That's the I would do it

Has anyone ever updated anything using that Windows Update? It's highly unlikely it will download a whole new ROM, maybe just some cabs which won't touch the ROM altogether, just mess around in registry.
And who needs to keep the device on while updating if you'd make a hard reset afterwards?
It can even be done now...
any back-up program
a cook who's willing to release ROMS on some stable host (NOT rapidshare where address changes)
a diff utility to download only the parts of the ROM that changed
A small app which writes XXXXIMG.BIN to storage card and enters bootloader.
Much harder task is to get rid of ROMs altogether and take control of the only advantage they give: XIP. I mean, why don't use a tool to convert the new apps to XIP format making them a part of the ROM?

@anichillus
I can provide u with the package but it will take some time..u see i have WM6 Emulator..but cant make it to use Internet Connection of my PC..so the Update manager starts but doesent download (no connectivity)..will see what i can do

i got the internet working..but when i click update..it doesent give any packages..what now

Cant install most of the softwares !!!!!!!!!!

hi all
i cant install alot of my favourite softwares such as SPB , i dont know why? can anyone tell me the reason plz?

shadows of yesterday said:
hi all
i cant install alot of my favourite softwares such as SPB , i dont know why? can anyone tell me the reason plz?
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can't help you or tell you the reason because you are not giving enough details about what you are trying to install, what is going wrong. How are you trying to install. Exe or .cab files. are you just getting error's during the installation

i tried to install .cab & .exe , but it says install unsuccessful, for example SPB & Battery status

mmmm
On what ?... is the cab on the phone or on the PC ???????

i tried both , but i couldnt

You have the HTC Touch Elf right? No cabs at all are instaling on your phone.
Possibiliites:
1. The cab files are being currupted either while you are downloading them or while you are sending them to your phone. FYI Cab files are to be installed via your phone not PC. Transfer the complete cab to phone and just click it to install - Do Not Unzip it. (A cab file looks like it is a zip file or a rar file wen it is on your PC but don't be fooled. it is a cab and does not need to be unzipped) you will only see a bunch of messy files and will just get confuzed. just place the cab on your phone and tap it with your stylus to initiate install
Exe's are to be installed via your PC to your phone through activsinc. place the exe on your desktop (Or wherever) and connect your phone to your PC using Activsinc. Then click the exe on your desktop and follow installation instructions - NOte you will have to still do some clicking on your phone to allow the installation.
2. you are not installing them properly and therfore follow instructions above.
3. your phone is currupt somehow (I don't see how) Try a hard reset and see if the programs will install after that. if not, you might want to return your phone for warranty (I am assuming you just got this phone and this is the first time you are trying to install something.
4. Maybe you have run out of room on your device to install any more applications (if you have been installing tons of other stuff successfully)
I have never gotten any errors installing cabs or exe's exept for when I was trying to install something that my phone did not support. (Not a valid WM application) or something like that.
Edit: You still are not give us much information - What type of error are you getting - What does your phone show/tell you?
Does it start to install and fail half way through? does it not start at all? does it install and the programs just do not run?
Tell us what program you are trying to install - what error you are getting and when you are getting it. Tell us the method you have used to install it etc....
If you want help you will have to provide us with as much information and detail as you can. Otherwise - Good Luck.
I will check back here regularly to see your response and try to help, but if you don't give us much more detail - no one will be able to help you.

Did you flashed your ROM recently?

it start to install and fail half way through, but not all of the softwares , for example i cant install tcpmp,wm router , battery status , and alot of softwares , the error is always the same ( it start to install and fail half way through)

shadows of yesterday said:
it start to install and fail half way through, but not all of the softwares , for example i cant install tcpmp,wm router , battery status , and alot of softwares , the error is always the same ( it start to install and fail half way through)
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I don't know about battery status or wm router but TCPMP is an exe type installation. if you try to install this using your phone by putting the TCPMP installation on your phone and clicking to install, it won't work. You have to put the installation file on your computer, connect your device to your computer through activesinc. then click the TCPMP Installation on your desktop and follow instructions. Make sure you accept installation on your device when your device asks. The others may be the same

i did like that , but nothing changed , same message , install unsuccessful

shadows of yesterday said:
i did like that , but nothing changed , same message , install unsuccessful
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Are you trying to install to your storage card or to device? Are you certain that you have enough storage space left?
Do you have any problems with Activsinc?
Have you tried downloading another copy of TCPMP - Maybe the copy you have is no good.

yeh , i tried on both storage and device memory , i have 1.5 gb remaining on storage also
my active sync is working in perfect condition, i dont know wht happend , ok , is there anything that i can upgrade my phone ???

DuelMasterNG said:
Did you flashed your ROM recently?
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You never answered the above question.
shadows of yesterday said:
yeh , i tried on both storage and device memory , i have 1.5 gb remaining on storage also
my active sync is working in perfect condition, i dont know wht happend , ok , is there anything that i can upgrade my phone ???
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I don't know if I can help you with this problem. I have never had any problems installing anything onto my device even when the app wasn't compatible. usually still installed, just wouldn't run. I am still using official stock WM 6.0 rom that came on my device. (have not ever flashed a new ROM or Radio and don't know anything about that. If you did flash a new ROM or radio, that could be what is causing your problems and you may want to examine in the thread where you got your ROM or Radio from for answers or to see if anyone else is having the same difficulties. Perhaps PM the person who cooked the ROM. If you havn't flashed any new ROM or Radio, then maybe you changed something in your registry that you shouldn't have with a registry editor (just a thought - don't know if you have ever done this) or maybe you have an app on your phone that is causing conflict when trying to install other apps. You can always try a hard reset of your device (if you don't mind starting from scratch again customizing your device) and then try installing TCPMP and see if it works right after a hard reset. That would suggest either something was changed in your registry or that another app was causing conflict. Bit of a pain in the a## having to reinstall everything(unless you don't have much installed on your device) and still no guarantee that it will work. Before doing a hard reset, you might want to look into backing up your device. (I don't know anyting about backing up - what program to use or how much it can back up such as setting or such but you might want to check it out. Also make sure you sincronize your device with your computer prior to hard reset so that all your contacts, appointments etc... are up to date that way after a hard reset you can just syncronize your device again and get your contacts and appointments etc... back.
If anyone else has any suggestions here -- Please feel free to jump in. I know that I would be really annoyed not being able to install new apps to my device.
Good luck. I hope this gets figured out for you
Rod

i had the same problem, it was unbelievably frustrating, i had to restore my X1i to factory settings, that fixed the problem.

I think you should follow hotrod101's suggestion and do a hard reset. Its quite likely that your phone has malfunctioned or something. It's probably going to save you a lot of work in the long run. Or turn in your device in one of the HTC service centers as already stated. Don't forget to back all your stuff up first.
Good Luck.

thanx alot

you did not say whether your rom is original or coked as i met some problems with cocked roms in installing arabic based applications that was easily installed before flashing me device

Did you get things figured out - If so please share with the rest what you did to solve your problem, in case others are having similar problems. Did one of our suggestions help or did you find another solution?

same problem on my Touch Pro, seams to be common ... some say that it is due to the fixed number (50 installed programs) on the touch flue ... however, I have no more information of how did they got this result, or what is the registry of this issue???
I hope if someone help on this to avoide us the headache cused by hard reset, just thinking about it make me crazy.
even hard reset is not a solution.

hi, I'm a noob with a question about my HTC tilt 2. Help please!

I installed a few apps on my HTC tilt 2 with at&t from some sites. Everything was working fine for a while until my phone started slowing down and freezing alot, so I did a soft and hard reset and it fixed the freezing problems but when I run most of the apps, I get this message, ' This application requires a newer version of the Microsoft .NET Compact Framework than the version installed on this device.' Then it says quit and I hit it and this message comes up in a box, ' .NET CF Initialization Error ' and in the box it states, ' The application failed to load required components. If the .NET Compact Framework is installed on a storage card, please ensure that this card is in place and launch the application again. If this fails, a re-installation of .NET Compact Framework is recommended. Support info: -2147483643 (80000005)' So i downloaded it and get a message saying, ' NETCFSetupv35.msi' and in the box it states, 'There is no application associated with "NETCFSetup35". Run the application first, then open this file from within the application.' I don't know what I'm doing wrong but any help or advise will be appreciated. I don't know much about my phone but I'm pretty sure I did everything right. It all worked before when I installed the apps? Thanks in advance for your help.

drehustler said:
I installed a few apps on my HTC tilt 2 with at&t from some sites. Everything was working fine for a while until my phone started slowing down and freezing alot, so I did a soft and hard reset and it fixed the freezing problems but when I run most of the apps, I get this message, ' This application requires a newer version of the Microsoft .NET Compact Framework than the version installed on this device.' Then it says quit and I hit it and this message comes up in a box, ' .NET CF Initialization Error ' and in the box it states, ' The application failed to load required components. If the .NET Compact Framework is installed on a storage card, please ensure that this card is in place and launch the application again. If this fails, a re-installation of .NET Compact Framework is recommended. Support info: -2147483643 (80000005)' So i downloaded it and get a message saying, ' NETCFSetupv35.msi' and in the box it states, 'There is no application associated with "NETCFSetup35". Run the application first, then open this file from within the application.' I don't know what I'm doing wrong but any help or advise will be appreciated. I don't know much about my phone but I'm pretty sure I did everything right. It all worked before when I installed the apps? Thanks in advance for your help.
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Yeah it sounds like you had CF 3.5 on there before but somehow it didn't stay after the hard reset (which indicates it was installed sometime after the phone was first purchased).
The file you downloaded is to install it from your PC, not the phone. Put the cab file I attached here on your phone, run that, and it should resolve the issue

Thanks for your response, when i click on it it get a message saying, 'FIle download failed The requested header could not be located.' i've actually been getting that message a few times with other downloads too. would you know what that means? thanks again for your help.

run this from your computer. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...49-3c6b-42f1-9fd9-0041345b3385&displaylang=en

drehustler said:
Thanks for your response, when i click on it it get a message saying, 'FIle download failed The requested header could not be located.' i've actually been getting that message a few times with other downloads too. would you know what that means? thanks again for your help.
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Hmmm no, never heard of it, and basic searching turns up nothing but lists of odd HTTP error codes, that one included. My guess would be an issue with your browser on your PC, but I really couldn't say for sure.
You can also just run the file Rhodium500 linked to above, it's the same .msi file you put on your phone in the first place but couldn't get to run from there...it's an automated installer that just handles everything from your PC instead of you putting the cab on the phone manually.

thanks alot guys, still have no luck and since my phone is under warranty, i'm gonna get a new one. I got 2 htc tilt 2's and only mine is doing this? i'll be back.

dude getting a new touchpro2 wont help... i dont think... like the guy who posted the attachment said, just install it and it should work. if u cant download it use your friend's computer or the library

Dude I had the same problem and if you wait a few mins Ill find it in the microsoft website so you can try downloading from there. Just run it on your computer, then connect your phone with active sync. Go to programs> More> Add/Remove programs and click on the little box there. (I am not sure if the menu goes like this, im actually sure that it doesnt, but for some reason my phone wont connect the WMDM right now so i cant tell u) anyway dont return the phone just because of that cuz the new one might have a problem thats actually harder to fix
I dont remember where I got it from but Ill try to find the original place where I found it.
Heres the file
Microsoft Website
You can download it straight from their website. Its free and it doesnt hurt

thanks, just tried it and had no luck?? i can't even return my phone until the 12th so i'm still trying to figure it out.

hey everybody, I reset my sync center/active sync and re downloaded that from the microsoft website and it seemed to have fixed the problem. I appreciate your help very much.

drehustler said:
hey everybody, I reset my sync center/active sync and re downloaded that from the microsoft website and it seemed to have fixed the problem. I appreciate your help very much.
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Just a hint; it seems that either resetting the device or ActiveSync seems to solve a lot of problems sometimes. Had the same that my device didn't want to accept new Exchange-settings I made on my PC. After resetting both, it worked flawlessly.

[Q] Win 7 activated - but can't download

Hi guys
I have searched the forum but cannot find anyone with a similar problem.
I have activated my Win 7 but still cannot download apps.
I get the following message when trying to install an app
"Can't get this information at the moment. Check again in a little while"
Any suggestions?

what th f***
now ive got the same prob.
ive already installed some apps but now i get the same message

i tried to download from zune on the pc it says it cant be downloadet becaus of an temporary server problem
i daont think that somthing on my phon is wrong its a server prob by zune

Me too, I wonder if genuine WP7 owners are getting this problem...

have u already downloaded something before?

Yes, and it worked before.

and u dont changed anything?!?

Nothing at all, I only tried because I saw this thread.

yes me to
its definitely a server prob dont worry...be happy

Good to hear. Just activated my HD2 and I was afraid I did something wrong.

Well seeing as it says it can't get the information after it says it was verifying, it does look a bit suspicious :/

for me its working again
i hope for u too

How did you solve this problem?
I'm getting that error message as well.

Diaeko said:
for me its working again
i hope for u too
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yeah I am having the same problem, received my activation code today. I go on Zune and it lets me install ot, but I get it will install soon message and then it never does. Anyone, I am in the US and on t-mobile.

i dont do anythig it was an server problem and now everything is working

I have the same problem after activation,too...
The wp7 ist correctly running, only the marketplace doesn't run...
I did an hard reset and the same happens...
When i want to install the programs with zune, zune say, that it is installed, but i can't find the program on my phone...
I have vodafone in germany...

Just downloaded and istalled the IMDb app. Downloaded and installed fine, but won't run. Loads up for about 4-5 seconds and then phone goes back to WP7 menu screen. Any ideas???

If you have JUST activated and it is saying this
have you applied the registry key to identify the device as a HD 7 ?(unless you have a ROM with this as standard)

There is coming the following message:
Access to the registry key "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\DeviceReg is restricted.
What could I do?

For you guys having problems with Marketplace, just be sure you made de HD7 tweak (in Settings-About your device must appear as HTC HD7, not Leo70). After you enter the 25 digit code in Marketplace, get the Live ID.xap file (available on the forum) and edit the CustClear.provxml file in it with your code. Then deploy the LiveID.xap to device.
I'm not having any Problems with Marketplace apps.

wp7 first update process recording. hd2 Please do not update

1. phones are connected to the computer tips, zune tips Update - This step updates zune
2. Update finished restart the computer, mobile phone and computer still prompts - this step update wp7
3. Phone restart the update process twice, the first mobile phone icon appears on a mobile phone and computer icons, that is being updated, you can not disconnect the cable
4. After completion of the second telephone restart is complete.
The following is the outcome:
1. Update completed - but prompt registry error, error code: 80180089
2. Phone also, as before, has not been re-locked, it now appears the update was not successful does not bring any bad influence
Off-topic:
1. My hd2 has been disguised as hd7-through change registry
2. Microsoft Hong Kong live account is given - call me in the past to the
3. Usually use the normal function (including the market, simultaneously, zune show hd7, found my phone) - does not appear abnormal
hd2 Please do not update:
1. After the update failed to install the xbox game market, reboot several times, has never been this situation before, do not know how it is
2. Also automatically crashes, are several times
Alas, only to re-install wp7
Look forward to an expert forum to identify and resolve, ha ha

I have exactly same problem. What the solutions may found? :||| I need updates.
Some people say that to reset phone and after that on HD2 updates will be work. How u think it will be work? And when I will reset my phone, it meand that I will lost all my phone data? or it possible with some ways to save a data and when make an phone reset.
Please if u have any ideas respond me about my questions. Have u tried phone reset method?

Hi
Me too.
Got this damn error code: 80180089 when tried to updae my HD2. It says that it cannot backup my phone due to a registry change. There should be a way to update without having to backup first.

Same Problem with my HD2. I do not want a damn backup. If something goes wrong i would simply reinstall everything. That is annoying. I Hope there will be a solution comming up. :-/

hi
in the process of updating - registry error, error code: 80180089 on my HD2
but works fine. yet...

I think we need registry data of original wp7 to install update, because our cracked windows registry is demaged or not full. have someone tried to reset phone and install update on wp7?

do any of you actually read the threads? dont update tot he new version

i have read and why don't update a new version? it seems that problem in registry and some users who updated their phones it works fine, not blocking and chevron tool for deploying xap files still exists. i think its not harmful for our cracked hd2 to have an updates.

tried to update my hd2, too and got the same error. but no problems appeared... so i guess i just wait until someone finds a solution for this

Error on update WP7/HD2
Same error here, but works normaly after restart. It just can't back it up because of registry settings....

compnews said:
i have read and why don't update a new version? it seems that problem in registry and some users who updated their phones it works fine, not blocking and chevron tool for deploying xap files still exists. i think its not harmful for our cracked hd2 to have an updates.
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The update doesn't work for anyone with HD2s... it was known from beginning that automatic updates would not work with HD2... we have a ported wp7 on our devices.

Tried a reset and the update still did not work. Same registry error. Not surprised just want to try and share the info.
First I got the error code 801812C1 but after two retries that went through. The registry error code 80180089 can’t be bypassed.
Manual injection of CAB files in the future I guess. Yes I know custom ROM on a unsupported phone.
Don't kill the messenger. I'm just sharing info here.
Used XP SP3 with newest zune software.

Looks like some other guys with samsung omnia7 have this issue with the update and microsoft is working on it. I guess that will be solved in a few days

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Looks like some other guys with samsung omnia7 have this issue with the update and microsoft is working on it. I guess that will be solved in a few days
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Do you think we will be able to update our HD2s then?
I don't think so, but I like surprises

Probably will not work on the HD2 since its most likely looking for anything funny in the registry. Pick your choice, not the right hardware, hacked OS, chevron, side load apps, custom settings. Unless if people that have virgin phones and still get the same errors then anything is possible. They might have to allow future updates to have more variations or be more lenient on what its looking for before the patch gets installed. That’s my two cents anyway.
Phones: G1, ATT ARIA, HD2

In a microsoft thread, I read that the problem with samsung omnia 7 is about backing up the phone. The same as HD2. So I think there might be some hopes for us

maybe the problem come from detected usb hardware driver that seem to be different from that in hd7.. i say this because when the hd2 display shown the icon of pc & hd2 , after the first reboot, a symbol no usb connection appear.

Its a pointless update, why bother...

Tried... but failed
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maybe the problem come from detected usb hardware driver that seem to be different from that in hd7.. i say this because when the hd2 display shown the icon of pc & hd2 , after the first reboot, a symbol no usb connection appear.
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No, I'm sure that was just telling us not to remove the USB connection ha ha. I just tried the update, same error code. Remaining hopeful that this is same problem as Omnia or whichever phone was mentioned before, but I have doubts and wont be too shocked if it has nothing to do with it and we cant update the OS this way. If this doesn't work someone will come up with something. Might just have to reflash with each major update. It wuld be annoying but its better than nothing ha ha.

Customized ROM from HD2 can't Update the OS! HD2 owners should wait until devs cook the update in their Roms! This update is pointless but actually Microsoft made this update to prepare your phone for the next update! (??LOL??) I know that you guys made the tweak in order to disguise the HD2 to HD7 but still... So be more patient or buy an official WP7 as i did!