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hey dear friends ever since i brought my universal i been having a problem while surfing the web from my universal for a prolonged time. like if i use my uni to surf on the web from IE or opera for about 3 to 4 hours suddenly in midst of everything something happens and while i m typing ,with every press of my action my brightness fluctuates high <-> low. n this fluctuation only happens immediately after this following error pops up on my screen all a sudden while i m normally surfing:
The file ':MSREMNET' cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of its components cannot be found. If the problem persists, try reinstalling or restoring this file.
later after this error pops up wen i try to use any application on my fone including calling, recieving calls, texting , every basic fundamental function to all the installed programes,all jus cease to function . n then i have no other option than to soft reset my fone. i have installed not less than 50 roms till date which includes wm5 versions till wm6 version as of recent. but in all the rom i been facing this problem..
so can u guys tell me wats the actual core problem thats causing this ?? n any solutions that might help solve the problem.
ps: this error only pops up wen i surf on the net (via ppc web browsers) from my fone . wen i m using uni over the pc to connect my pc to internet thru wireless modem or modem link or internet sharing . my fone acts normally. even if i use any other function(BT, gaming, calling,office files etc.) on my fone for a veryyy veryy long time nothing like this problem occurs.
n al so i found the only registry entry on my fone that directs to msremnet.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shell\Rai\:MSREMNET]
there is a remnet.exe file.
hmm well is this the file causing problems ?? man i need help anyone plz? m fed up of this problem for a yr alweady
I can't believe nobody else has this problem besides this bloke and myself.
This has caused massive data losses (cannot save), and requires a soft reset. It has been an issue with WM5 and 6.
z0d1ak, what software have you installed? I have Magic Button, but nothing else that I also had in WM5.
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I can't believe nobody else has this problem besides this bloke and myself.
This has caused massive data losses (cannot save), and requires a soft reset. It has been an issue with WM5 and 6.
z0d1ak, what software have you installed? I have Magic Button, but nothing else that I also had in WM5.
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hey man its not about the softwares u have it even happens when u have nothing apart from basic softwares that are provided either with a custom made rom or a shipped rom. i have tried it all i even tried editing the registry and making some neccesary changes even tried to replace the file with other roms that is the rmnet.exe file but it stays i later thot it might b a mother board problem. then came to my thinking how can it b a mother board problem n not apper with any other appication but jus when m surfing on the net using my ppc hmmm.... well right now mystry is unsolved i haven tried using much of internet over windows professional 6.1 . will try and let u know if the problem persists ! meanwhile u can do the same
Yes, I've done some more research and have found that the error message is not limited to :MSREMNET.
I searched for other parts of the error message, and have found it in many forms, but the problem that we are experiencing is somewhat rare and goes on unexplained.
What do I believe the problem is? An unfixable bug in the kernel. Why do I believe this? Because when I have this problem, an unskinned version of the phone app opens. If I close this with Magic Button (a common task manager app), the problem goes away!
However, it will soon return until I do a soft reset. Before that, most apps don't work, many parts of the OS crash, and my backlight goes to full brightness.
This problem isn't always caused by web access, either. It goes on when I work on documents in Office for extended periods.
Surely, after further research, I deem this problem unfixable, a flaw in the OS itself that spans across devices - if you are working on your device for an extended period, save often or you will likely lose your work.
Your only other option is to wait 12 months for a 2nd generation iPhone, wait 12 months for a mature Android device, or wait 12 months for the completely rebuilt WM currently dubbed 'Photon'. Until the end of next winter, this problem goes on, a fact of life.
well thats the problem i dont like waiting and i m in love with my fone thou its like a lil brik in ur pocket . still i love it and it gots its karizma wen i b using it in public seriously. anyways thats off topic. the point i m to make is me working on 6.1 as of yet haven faced this yet . u can try downloading wm6.1 of mwang or ranjus and try flashing ur device with it and chek if the problem persists . dude if its a kernel problem then y wud it appear with every rom flash where u upgrade the os n the kernel gets a reprint in the memory location depending on the os u use. it myt b a mother board defect or defect in the gprs or wifi connection reception. but as u said it appears with office as well i need to try that out and c for myself . will keep this posted. m glad i found one guy ales with the same screw up problem. man its one irritating thing ! no matter how sweet the rom is but functionality crash sucks
Definitely not a motherboard issue, unless the Universal, Apache, and other devices with this glitch have the same one. It's a software issue.
I was shocked to see the problem persist between WM5 and WM6, however. Clearly, there must be a common software component between both bugging out. The two OSs are so very similar, however, that the chances of pinpointing this, or wow, bringing a solution, are slim.
Do keep me posted though, I guess.
I had this problem when I had universal. You are talking about this right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315914
no its not. its a bug in the core or driver i guess that wm5 n wm6 shares for temporary data intrepetation over PIE or OFFICE . i think its a cache controll problem and has to do sumthing with random access memory thou m no certain on that point. the error keeps poping wen u r using the internet or as our other mate said it also occurs in using windows compact edition office. the problem u pointed at is the problem of memory issue. its a memory problem but i dont think the same as u do.my fone shows the same memory and other intact details as a normal fone wud. but its more about remnet protocol that freezes all ur application saying that there .exe files are not digitally sighned as i mentioned in the very 1st post.
ps: baryn can u try using other applications where u have temporary storage b4 main storage like in case of PIE n OFFICE b4 main page storage.
hmmm well can v get the remnet file from wm2003 or older editions and try replacing it and c if it works the other way round . in the meantym m gonna dig up sum dirt on kernel similarities n difference in wm editions till date. i must add in recent ones the main difference lies in jus interface as i have observed n sum drivers here n there. wud dig pinpoint detail on that now
problem still persists with windows mobie 6.1
and problem with pocket office also confirmed .
MSREMNET
I have the MSREMNET pop up and then i Have to reset. Does anybody have a workable solution yet? I have even tried resetting everything back to the factory defaults and still get the problem but eventually it comes back.
Yes, it has been discovered to be an indescript hardware issue. There is no software- or firmware-based solution, which sucks, but phones released in the past couple of years don't seem to suffer from it at all.
This issue isn't directly related to REMNET, Office, IE or any other built in MS app. The errors with MS applications occur because the .lnk shortcuts and APIs that call most of these programs reference the Raiper Shell paths in the registry (HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Rai) instead of calling the exe directly. I'm pretty sure this issue happens because the user registry and possibly even the disk it resides on is suddenly getting unloaded and dismounted. The screen brightens because it is loading the system defaults from the registry hives in ROM. This is the same reason the skin on WM 6.5 suddenly disappears. At times I get a password prompt when I never set a password. Again, because too many required registry settings disappeared. After it happens, you can sometimes fix it by powering on/off the device but it usually doesn't last long and you eventually need to soft reset.
I have no idea what causes it but it always seems to happen after using the device for a few hours. It also doesn't seem to matter what ROM is used. It may just be me, but I also noticed that the device feels really hot after it's happened and if you leave it charging for awhile. For me, it happens quite often while using Remote Desktop for extended periods of time. I wish I knew what exactly was causing these hive dismounts. It may indeed be a hardware issue. Failing flash disk? Wear from overclocking? Does it even happen on factory ROMs? Also, is there anyone who has an original 64MB device that has the same problem? I wonder if cooking a rom with the registry hives and system databases stored on an SD card or in the extended ROM would fix the issue for people with these problematic devices.
i have had my wing for about a month and have resently learned about flashing roms.i have been using the open touch 7.4 lite for about 2 weeks and havent had problems until yesterday when i was listening to music and the screen kept turning grey and jus stayed there.and now its began to take longer to turn it on.ive tried new roms and reseting it bt nothing.can anybody help plz
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i have had my wing for about a month and have resently learned about flashing roms.i have been using the open touch 7.4 lite for about 2 weeks and havent had problems until yesterday when i was listening to music and the screen kept turning grey and jus stayed there.and now its began to take longer to turn it on.ive tried new roms and reseting it bt nothing.can anybody help plz
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i might be wrong, but i thought that there was a memory leak with the audio manager. the problem was that once audio manager was used it would run in the background continuously. i would look around this thread a bit, or just upgrade to a later release. good luck
Hi,
I'm having an issue with my HD where sometimes the phone restarts on its own..it doesn't happen often but it does occur..mainly when I am listening to the radio..is anyone else experiencing this or know why this is happening so i can fix it?
Thanks
Incase it helps the only 3rd Party Softwares I have installed are
Coreplayer
Tomtom 7 with USA maps
Gyrator 2
NoData
Voice Command 1.6
SD TuneUP
My ROM and Radio are original HTC
I've had exactly the same thing happen with me, the system restarts of its own accord. Again, listening with the radio. It's happened three times so far, over a two week period.
I know it doesn't help, but at least you know you are not alone!!
My ROM and Radio are original version.
R: 1.09.225.14
D: 1.14.22273
Gavin
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I've had exactly the same thing happen with me, the system restarts of its own accord. Again, listening with the radio. It's happened three times so far, over a two week period.
I know it doesn't help, but at least you know you are not alone!!
My ROM and Radio are original version.
R: 1.09.225.14
D: 1.14.22273
Gavin
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Thanks for the reply..glad to know I'm not alone on this issue ..i do find that this issue does not occur if i have the phone charging via usb while listening to the radio
My versions are:
ROM: 1.14.405.3 (22273) WWE
Radio: 1.09.25.14
My restarted twice and i didn't do anything....one time was lying on the table and second time was connected while charging the battery....
If i woldn't have to enter pin after reboot i wouldn't worry much - but i have to do it so this is disturbing because i once didn' see it rebooted....
I also had it twice within one week time. It also happened when I was listening to the radio.
ROM: 1.14.404.3 (22273) NLD
Radio: 1.09.25.14
I've had my HD for a week now, and mine has done it every day so far!!! I dont listen to the FM radio, so its not that causing it - it has happened when I have been web browsing, texting, putting in a contact, and even when in my pocket doing nothing.
I take it that as this thread has received so few posts that this is not a common issue and I should simply return the handset for a replacement? Maybe we all have "friday afternoon" models?
I had the same problem. My HD worked fine, and then constantly auto-restarted.
I tried everything- reflashed the ROM, took all the programs off, hard-resetted. Nothing worked.
...Then I changed the battery, and the problem disappeared for a couple of weeks, but it's returned today!
For my few pence worth, it's something to do with the battery, or at least the way the battery talks to the device. Not an expert and no idea!
Had a similar problem where it just rebooted for no reason. Was like this for around 3 - 4 weeks and then completely died. Sent back to HTC for repair and had it returned with a new main board. After 2 hours of use it died again. Sent it back a second time, had another new main board, the FPC connector was re-seated and now all is ok so far. Just hope you guys are not going down my route.
Never had that happen to me. Sounds like a hardware issue.
...Interestingly (and I've read this somewhere before), I've tried switching my network from Auto to GSM, and I have had no more issues.
I travel across the country- a lot on trains, and I suspect one of the things triggering the failure is switching between bands.
I have also heard that it may not have anything to do with the handset, and is SIM related. I don't know enough to comment on that.
I had the same problem when i was listening to the radio. I thin i have found a way to go around the radio-problem. I installed powerradio and my phone haven't restarted all day. Hope i helps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4046501
ps. sorry for my bad english
my htc hd auto restart at the window 6.1 green screen
what could go wrong?
it was OK in the past....
i try to swap battery with other HD, same problem
I hard reset ,same problem, keep auto restart at green window screen
i use boot loader flash to new ROM, 6.1 still have the same auto restart problem
i have to believe hardware failure, where could go wrong?
i suspect reset button stuck, ...before the green screen appear, i presss restart button, no response. Strange.. because my other set HTC HD reset button response before green window screen
I've had the same problem a number of times. It seems to depend on the Rom. I just tried Laurentius's final Blackstone Rom and it would happen 4 -5 times a day. Dutty's Leo 9 Rom does it too but his R2 seems stable. Am going to try out the Dusk-More Rom now
Yep I am having a similar problem though has nothing to do with the radio. I have posted a thread on it also "HD Touch On/Off Problem".
Happens usually once or twice after taking it off charge for the night and then it's fine for the rest of the day.
I had something like that with mine, the problem was the battery, I switched with a new genuine battery and until now i did't had more problems, but it was in my case....
Flashing stock rom solves hard reset issue
Flashed a stock Rom 1 week ago before flashing a cooked rom again. It's been a week and it seems to have solved the problem.....touch wood.
If anyone else tries this, post a message to let others know if it works.
Hopefully, I won't be posting here again
i had the same problem.
i reflashed original spl,rom,radio then i put again the custom stuff, and the problem has gone!
now its 1 month without problems
Youtube freezes on HD2
I can validate your frustration. I am having problems with my HD2 freezing up as well and doing a soft reset on it's own. So the YouTube app opens up the HTC player and then it will play a few seconds and then freeze up. I also opened an MP4 movie file and view it with the HTC player and that also froze it. Last but not least, I have TomTom and that froze it after 15 minutes last night.
I have seen some postings that Tmobile and HTC will be releasing a new rom to fix some memory leaking issues so perhaps that might be it.
It started happening about a week ago for me. Please post any solutions you might find.
I am on:
OS v.5.2.21889
Mania v.2.5.20121412.1
ROM v.2.10.531.1 WWE
Radio v. 2.08.50.08.2
I have the same problem, but not related to fm radio.
It just happens...
It also happens when the phone is trying to start. It restarts, a few times when it shows "smart mobility" just before the radio, rom and other information at the right bottom.
I only rolled back to the official rom and radio, many hard resets, but it still happens..
I'll try to specify under what conditions it's happening, and will post again..
...I do not know what to do...
Hi everybody, I have the same problem on my HD.
It's restart on its own and some times if it's turned off then it turns on by its own
I've tried the following test without solve the problem :
- several hard reset
- with and without SIM
- with and without memory card
- with another battery (new)
- upgrade with original firmware
I add that the problem appeared suddenly
Unfortunately it's no longer under warranty then I would like to know if there's a solution different from send it to HTC.
Thanks to all.
I am not sure if this has to do with using Android or not, but sometimes my HD2 decides to reboot itself unexpectedly, on WM as well as on Android and I can't really find what's causing it.
But what happens is, after switching itself off, it switches itself on again and hangs on the HTC logo, sometimes with or without the following info:
R 2.10.50.28_2
G 15.40.50.07U
D 1.66.76641
I am using stock ROM that came with it, i assumed it will be stable by itself but it reboots itself randomly sometimes just like on Android.
Does it have to do with the Radio version (i changed it from 2.07.xx). I tried 2.12.xx before and had same problems.
I should note that the only way for it to run again is to remove the battery for a while and then put it back. If i remove it and put it back briefly it will still hang.
Anyone is familiar with this strange behavior?
Thanks
ME too
I have the EXACT same problem. It only started for me after using android. now whenever i run Android it will unexpectedly reboot and sometimes hang like yours. It also does it in WM though not as often. I was able to notice it might have something to do with data connections bc if i run android but only use wifi it seems to be fine. I tried changing Radios WM ROMs and Android builds i even hardspled my phone again but nothing solved it. The problem needs to be talked about more. it got so bad for me I bought a Desire and gave up on my HD2 for the moment. Keep this thread up.
sounds like i have to follow
I hope not!
I notice if i do heavy download on wm or android i get it. But it could be that the phone is too hot? But it's not alarmingly hot tbh.
I hope more people can shed light on this.
Thanks for your input.
Yeah this is what seems to happen to me too, i start a downlogsd it gets a bit warm then freezes or reboots and gets stuck. However it doesnt even have to be a large download for me, a simple cab file or youtube video sometimes. And as far as heat, this never used to be a problem and i know for a fact my phone used to heat up way more before without a problem.
Maybe the qualcomm chipset go in "safe mode"..i remember that for first start tickle the orange led and after the device freeze or restart..maybe your device overheat. Try to touch cover's device or install a battery status monitor software. If you have changed radio, return on the original status. In case the restart happen always, make a backup using Pimbackup, and do an Hard Reset. For first try to use the telephone without the memory card and test the stabilty. If is all ok, you have to provide to format your SD card in Fat32. Try also to change the HSPL with the original SPL.
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Thabks. Back to the subject, today i tried downloading on wifi a 150mb file on android and it rebooted byitself.
Then i tried to play a wmv video file on WM stock ROM and after 6 min it rebooted.
So its starting to look more and more like cpu/heat problem, anyone having these issues?
So does anyone think this might have something to do with all the overclocking in those android builds we've been using?
After 45 mins of install HD2 still hanging?
Hi, I just installed FroyoSense by darkstone
Release date: 07.AUG.2010
I don't know if this is the latest (probably not) but after 45 minutes of install the screen has in the top left hand corner tiny small text (excuse my lack of knowledge here) but no scrolling text as I expected, its now like 50 minutes, how long should it take?
Any help please would be appreciated, thanks
John
New to the HD2
So, I just bought a used HD2 a week ago. It was having similar problems in WM. I took it to a local store, and they said that is just how WM phones are. I've flashed HSPL and different radios and ROMs, installed Android, but still have trouble with freezing and rebooting on it's own no matter what I do. IT happens the same in WM or Android. Is there any way to find out if these might be due to hardware problems caused by the previous owner?
I got the same problem, when I do a lot of things on the same time on the HD2 it hangs or reboot. During de restart of the phone it hangs on the White screen with HTC on it. I have te take the battery out of it en than reboot again.
When I listen music and Internet the same time it almost always happends.
It happends on WM but also on Android, I tryed different ROM's and Radio Version's but nothing worked. Also tryed to work without SD-card, but still the same problem.
So I have no idea how to solve the problem...
I hope someone now's how to solve it...
Sorry for my bad English but I hope it's clear
FroyoStone with HTC Sense V2
Polar bear said:
Hi, I just installed FroyoSense by darkstone
Release date: 07.AUG.2010
I don't know if this is the latest (probably not) but after 45 minutes of install the screen has in the top left hand corner tiny small text (excuse my lack of knowledge here) but no scrolling text as I expected, its now like 50 minutes, how long should it take?
Any help please would be appreciated, thanks
John
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Ok having waited for 2 hrs, I shutdown and installed FroyoStone v2, this time the tiny text appeared and faded after about 5 -10 seconds and the screen has gone blank, is this normal? No scrolling text, nothing, I going tpo re-boot and will keep you updated. Thx
If you read the previous posts you would know this thread has nothing to do with the problem youre describing. I understand the confusion of the title but pls read the thread first.
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Ok having waited for 2 hrs, I shutdown and installed FroyoStone v2, this time the tiny text appeared and faded after about 5 -10 seconds and the screen has gone blank, is this normal? No scrolling text, nothing, I going tpo re-boot and will keep you updated. Thx
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Your problem is unrelated to this thread.
So far we have more and more people having the related issue on WM and Android. We need some expert to help us pinpoint the problem.
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I got the same problem, when I do a lot of things on the same time on the HD2 it hangs or reboot. During de restart of the phone it hangs on the White screen with HTC on it. I have te take the battery out of it en than reboot again.
When I listen music and Internet the same time it almost always happends.
It happends on WM but also on Android, I tryed different ROM's and Radio Version's but nothing worked. Also tryed to work without SD-card, but still the same problem.
So I have no idea how to solve the problem...
I hope someone now's how to solve it...
Sorry for my bad English but I hope it's clear
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i have the same issues.
I can add also playing videos for longerthan 5-10min would make the phone reboot too weither its WM or android.
Today I was in the Store where I bought mine HTC HD2, because I was sick off it. They told me that is was a familiar problem with the HTC HD2. They also would repair it free for me. I didn't do it yet because first I have to delete my HSPL etc.
I asked them also what the would repair to solve te problem, he told me: the will do a complete bodyswap. So everything will be renewed, exept the tochscreen and front.
So I guess it is a real and serious hardware problem....
Why we dont hear people conplaining about it if its comon?
I find that very odd.
Someone could try PMing one of the devs in the forum and linking them to this thread to see if they could shed some insight or at least bring more attention to the issue.
Well I live in the Netherlands and on the Dutch HTC HD2 forum, I heard some people complaining about it. But the salesman of the store said that it is a familiar problem, so that sounds to me like a regular problem. But indeed it's weird we doesn't hear more people complaining.
Maybe the most of the people think is normal with WM, but I am really sick of it...
hi! i had 2 samsung phone and i hated both! thats probably last phone i get! waiting for nexus 5 to come!!!
btw i got few problems!
1-when pressing power bottoms it takes up to 1 minute for screen to turn on! even today i almost heart attacked toght my phone is dead!
2-keyboard lags a lot! like i press few keys it dens't vibrate ands tuck at showing key almost near when i end that word it just vibrate many times and show what i typed
3- my google chrom ONLY it stops for seconds and then a black screen and goes to app menu or home:! (forcecloses) when i go back it mostly comes back to where i was but sometimes when i like open a page 1mintues before and it closes i can't see the page or even 1 time it opened blank page!!!!! that's too annoying and it usually happens every 10 mins!
also today i saw some page blinking black white and stuck it happened again i closed the tab!
smart pause doens't work also! most of times it doesn't work but ofc it does in some conditions! and i tryed turning everything off expect smart pasue
have you tried factory resetting the device ?
my device is doesnt hav any problems but my friends device was lagging ... he reset it and everything is good now !
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smart pause doens't work also! most of times it doesn't work but ofc it does in some conditions! and i tryed turning everything off expect smart pasue
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Smart pause can be used in good light conditions only, in a bright environment ... i find it useless nonetheless ... also i a factory reset doesn't help resolving certain lagging issues see if u can update the phone to latest version ...
I rooted my phone! + wantom lite! what happens if i still factory reset? removes root and completly factory?( damn wont lose apps+ stuff takes time to backup also! i can't update:S but will donwload new version of wantam lite tonight coz the one i ahve is almsot the frist version! lol and also after this happend i almost haven't use my phone for 4w eeks! thats crazy but im so sad and .... also have no diea what to do whit my phone anymore this phone made me forget everything about phones damn im so angry!!!
also my sdcard is burned lost a lot of apps!
If you have a custom rom report your problem to the rom's thread ... also the sd card burned by the heat?
How can u hate a specific phone when u are not running on it what it is supposed to run ... meaning stock software ... because those problems u mentioned are software issues which most likely occurred by lack of optimization of the rom u run atm ... i'm on stock and have non of those issues ...
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If you have a custom rom report your problem to the rom's thread ... also the sd card burned by the heat?
How can u hate a specific phone when u are not running on it what it is supposed to run ... meaning stock software ... because those problems u mentioned are software issues which most likely occurred by lack of optimization of the rom u run atm ... i'm on stock and have non of those issues ...
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nvm my noob bro dont know anything about phone he wer just anoyying i want phone iw ant phone so i sold my phone to him and bought my self a SUPER AMAZING NEXUS 4 i freakiiing love itttt!::DD but only about fc can i do it? my bro wants it to look fc no dont know how but jsut suddently my phones powered off and unable to turn on again i guessed it will be sd card removed and it worked!!!
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nvm my noob bro dont know anything about phone he wer just anoyying i want phone iw ant phone so i sold my phone to him and bought my self a SUPER AMAZING NEXUS 4 i freakiiing love itttt!::DD but only about fc can i do it? my bro wants it to look fc no dont know how but jsut suddently my phones powered off and unable to turn on again i guessed it will be sd card removed and it worked!!!
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got a super fast awesome tooshiba sd card now but removed it keeping to for next phone nexus 5 probly wiiiiiishhh it can use sd card(
kamranhaghighi said:
got a super fast awesome tooshiba sd card now but removed it keeping to for next phone nexus 5 probly wiiiiiishhh it can use sd card(
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lol comeone btw all the phones expect this one came soo awesomer when i rooted and flashed custom rom and stuff tweaked even overclocked my sensation from nova 3 lag to no lag aroudn 1.8 but my hands got burned the real burn taht happens by fire!!!! i really loved and had a lot of fun whit my sensation