Why won't the words go with the screen when you use multi-touch? Anyone else find this annoying?
kylez64 said:
Why won't the words go with the screen when you use multi-touch? Anyone else find this annoying?
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After zooming in, just double tap the screen real quick and it will re-align the text to fit. I think they did this so that the pinch to zoom would be smoother while trying to decide what zoom level you wanted.
try double tapping afterwards
I assume you are referring to the text not auto fitting to the screen after you zoom. I noticed this too and found it annoying but the go, is to simply double tap the screen after booming and it will fit the text to the screen.
That is what pinch to zoom does, it's just pinch to zoom. Goes as big or as small as you pinch. I know such an amazing feature we couldn't live without right? LOL It is nice to have but after using Iphone for 3 years I liked the doubletap method of Nexus automatically configuring zoom to text column size much better. Pinch to zoom is nice to have for the gallery and the maps though.
It worked on my Hero just fine. its just a bit of an inconvenience for me.
Dolphin Browser resizes the text for you, if you're using that then I have no idea what else could be the problem here. I didn't know people still use the default browser, it so. "default-ish".
pjcforpres said:
After zooming in, just double tap the screen real quick and it will re-align the text to fit. I think they did this so that the pinch to zoom would be smoother while trying to decide what zoom level you wanted.
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Huh? Doesn't double tap zoom out? If so, what's the point of pinching in and then zooming out again?
Paul22000 said:
Huh? Doesn't double tap zoom out? If so, what's the point of pinching in and then zooming out again?
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Its something Google added for the masses. With Multitouch, people can stop saying this phone is inferior to the iphone using that one point (it having multi-touch) as a basis.
Eclair~ said:
Its something Google added for the masses. With Multitouch, people can stop saying this phone is inferior to the iphone using that one point (it having multi-touch) as a basis.
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Who takes that seriously?
Hardware wise the Nexus is far better then the iphone
Software is more opinion based
Ive actually never owned or used an apple product so I can't compare, I found it rather boring
kylez64 said:
Who takes that seriously?
Hardware wise the Nexus is far better then the iphone
Software is more opinion based
Ive actually never owned or used an apple product so I can't compare, I found it rather boring
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Tell that to the iphone users. You think the average, very average, as in teenage girls with puppies in their purses (I see that on TV.. lol) are going to care about superior "hardware". There going to look at the iphone, look at the Nexus One - and go "oh shiny", "oh I can zoom in and out with my fingers!".
The phone (Nexus One) can have all the superior hardware it wants, but there are thousands of ignorant people out there that believe the iphone is more superior than the Nexus One over simple things like multitouch.
But your question was "Who takes it seriously?", you may not take it seriously - but Google HAS to stop people from loving the iphone so much with any method they can ( at least I would believe). Exceeding with hardware was the first step.. and I'm going to infer that multi-touch was the 2nd step. I assume businesses must take even the most idiotic complaints into consideration..
Ok back to the topic at hand...
Am I wrong about the double tap thing?
It's not actually a double tap, but TWO double taps then, isn't it?
Or am I doing the double tap wrong, meaning there's a way to double tap to reflow without zooming???
Would be nice not to be comparing to the iPhone, but IIRC, I always had trouble getting the text to reflow when I zoomed in on a column of text on the iPhone. Maybe I just didn't try hard enough.
With Android, at least I can pinch, then double tap to reflow text. But that's not what I usually do - I usually just double-tap the element I want to zoom in on, and it seems to be readable-sized and in a single column. In other words, I like the Android pinch-to-zoom functionality in the Browser.
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Huh? Doesn't double tap zoom out? If so, what's the point of pinching in and then zooming out again?
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You might come across this problem if you have the "Open pages in overview" option unchecked in the browser settings. If it's unchecked, you'll be a bit zoomed in when a page loads, so double tapping will presumably zoom you out again.
In summary: if you're zoomed out (i.e. in page overview), double tapping zooms in and reflows text. If you're zoomed in a bit, double tapping zooms out to the page overview.
Well said... I completely agree with yah.
Eclair~ said:
Tell that to the iphone users. You think the average, very average, as in teenage girls with puppies in their purses (I see that on TV.. lol) are going to care about superior "hardware". There going to look at the iphone, look at the Nexus One - and go "oh shiny", "oh I can zoom in and out with my fingers!".
The phone (Nexus One) can have all the superior hardware it wants, but there are thousands of ignorant people out there that believe the iphone is more superior than the Nexus One over simple things like multitouch.
But your question was "Who takes it seriously?", you may not take it seriously - but Google HAS to stop people from loving the iphone so much with any method they can ( at least I would assume). Exceeding with hardware was the first step.. and I'm going to assume multi-touch was the 2nd step. I assume businesses must take even the most idiotic complaints into consideration..
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gunnner said:
You might come across this problem if you have the "Open pages in overview" option unchecked in the browser settings. If it's unchecked, you'll be a bit zoomed in when a page loads, so double tapping will presumably zoom you out again.
In summary: if you're zoomed out (i.e. in page overview), double tapping zooms in and reflows text. If you're zoomed in a bit, double tapping zooms out to the page overview.
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Huh?
This will only work if you're 100% zoomed out then. This thread is about zooming in with pinch and zoom, and THEN using double tap, is it not?
As pjcforpres posted:
"After zooming in, just double tap the screen real quick and it will re-align the text to fit."
I think something is getting lost in translation here?
Paul22000 said:
Huh? Doesn't double tap zoom out? If so, what's the point of pinching in and then zooming out again?
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Here is what I am saying, I guess more clearly...
Do the pinch to zoom, then double tap the screen right after it. It won't zoom out, instead it will auto fit the text just like a regular double tap zoom. They did this so that the pinch to zoom is smoother and more fluid in it's motion, since instead of doing a bunch of resizings as it zooms, it does it once when you double tap the screen to let it know you are done zooming in.
Try it out, it is a great execution IMHO that sadly too many people haven't seemed to of figured out.
pjcforpres said:
Here is what I am saying, I guess more clearly...
Do the pinch to zoom, then double tap the screen right after it. It won't zoom out, instead it will auto fit the text just like a regular double tap zoom. They did this so that the pinch to zoom is smoother and more fluid in it's motion, since instead of doing a bunch of resizings as it zooms, it does it once when you double tap the screen to let it know you are done zooming in.
Try it out, it is a great execution IMHO that sadly too many people haven't seemed to of figured out.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, ok. NOW I see. DAAAAAMN, that was confusing.
To clear it up for other folks, the trick is to double tap *immediately* after finishing zooming in. So double tap actually does two *completely* different things based on whether you wait 1 second or don't. I get it now.
Wow, that should be officially explained somewhere, haha. How the heck did you figure that out?!
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, ok. NOW I see. DAAAAAMN, that was confusing.
To clear it up for other folks, the trick is to double tap *immediately* after finishing zooming in. So double tap actually does two *completely* different things based on whether you wait 1 second or don't. I get it now.
Wow, that should be officially explained somewhere, haha. How the heck did you figure that out?!
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I am a genius!
I haven't had any problems at all with the pinch-zoom. I find that the double tab is perfect for reading text while the pinch zoom feature gives me added accuracy to choose a small link etc
I don't if it was mentioned somewhere in the thread but if you tap on the text it will auto center the paragraph. Another thing that's cool is that once centered, it stays snapped to the screen center so you can have perfect up and down scrolling. This has been around since day one.
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Can we try and develop some apps that take advantage of the multi touch pad at the bottom of the phone?
Maybe something like the iPhones picture viewer to zoom or rotate.
To be honest I only recently found out about the multi touch pad by using NavDbgTool.exe.
But surely it has some potential - maybe mixing it with g sensor function
you can zoom and rotate with a finger, holding the pda with one hand (just draw a circle to zoom, and a semi-circle to rotate)
oh wow what a revolutionary idea, im sure no one here, especially no developer has thought about that before......
hhmm! Help from a senior member.. usual.. Sarcasm from a junior member... refeshing
So where can i find apps that take advantage of the multi touch ?
I am aware of the circular zoom function in htc album, but i was thinking of the resize and rotate function like on iPhone and microsoft surface.
Surely "every developer" has thought of replicating that?
I have a real practical use for that pad-
On the HTC Touch Pro it is ideal for a scroll bar area. Most apps do not support the navi-wheel for scrolling, and the navi-wheel is incredibly imprecise in any case. having the area from the Home to the Back key be a scroll strip would be great for scrolling down long documents or web pages.
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hedgemonstahinz said:
So where can i find apps that take advantage of the multi touch ?
I am aware of the circular zoom function in htc album, but i was thinking of the resize and rotate function like on iPhone and microsoft surface.
Surely "every developer" has thought of replicating that?
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You mean something like this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406206
I'm very pleased with my HD2 overall, but there's one area where it comes up short in comparison to the iPhone imo: in the default zoomed out browser page view, if you click on a link (which is small, but it does briefly change colour so you know the press has registered), nothing happens - I have to zoom in (with a pinch or double press) before it will work. This is the case in both Opera and IE.
Is there by any chance a config hack to sort this? I'm new to Windows Mobile, perhaps it's a known weakness? Because the link does highlight it makes me think this is more of a software issue than a hardware one, so ought to be fixable/hackable?
Thanks,
Andy
AndyGarton said:
I'm very pleased with my HD2 overall, but there's one area where it comes up short in comparison to the iPhone imo: in the default zoomed out browser page view, if you click on a link (which is small, but it does briefly change colour so you know the press has registered), nothing happens - I have to zoom in (with a pinch or double press) before it will work. This is the case in both Opera and IE.
Is there by any chance a config hack to sort this? I'm new to Windows Mobile, perhaps it's a known weakness? Because the link does highlight it makes me think this is more of a software issue than a hardware one, so ought to be fixable/hackable?
Thanks,
Andy
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when i go to google.nl and its zoomed out, i click on the right upper side to log in/sign in, so for me this aint no issue.
Just one bump in case anybody else has any thoughts (I appreciate that this isn't an issue for the poster above, but it is for me ).
You can search the forum for a solution (it was posted dozens of times across the place). You'll need to change zoom settings to achieve what you want.
Just note that you'll lose something as well. The current behavior allows you to activate onHover events (stuff that websites do when you move your mouse over an element). With default settings you get popups/menus activated without firing the link action (an option missing in the iPhone browser).
Yes, I'm having the same problem from time to time. Sometimes I can hit tiny targets and sometimes I have to zoom right in to hit a link. I guess it's just a matter of getting used to the capacitive screen.
mrturq said:
when i go to google.nl and its zoomed out, i click on the right upper side to log in/sign in, so for me this aint no issue.
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Thanks, I found the registry setting (software,opera,info,az_overview_threshold), reduced it to 32 and haven't noticed any obvious side effects yet. This makes a big difference for me, especially when I set the minimum font size to medium in the menu settings.
Hi there,
I am the only one here really annoyed by the implementation of "Pinch To Zoom" inside Opera Mobile ?
First I thought that it was because of my chubby fat fingers but after several tests it definitely is an Opera Mobile issue :
I suppose that because of the text reflow after the pinch to zoom, the screen is never centered where I actually zoomed in but shifted at "miles away" and I have to scroll a lot to find the spot where I actually pinched to zoom in
This is worse and worse as you try to zoom in a lot on a small area, typically in XDA forums if trying to zoom in a lot on the tiny page links at the bottom right of the page " First < 1 2 3 ... Last >" to display them big enough to easily click them with the finger or thumb, I have to pinch to zoom, then scroll a lot to recenter them, then pinch to zoom again, then scroll again to center again, to finally be able to click the link !
I think that Opera Mobile should keep the screen centered on the spot where the pinch to zoom was executed !
Lord.Nibbler said:
Hi there,
I am the only one here really annoyed by the implementation of "Pinch To Zoom" inside Opera Mobile ?
First I thought that it was because of my chubby fat fingers but after several tests it definitely is an Opera Mobile issue :
I suppose that because of the text reflow after the pinch to zoom, the screen is never centered where I actually zoomed in but shifted at "miles away" and I have to scroll a lot to find the spot where I actually pinched to zoom in
This is worse and worse as you try to zoom in a lot on a small area, typically in XDA forums if trying to zoom in a lot on the tiny page links at the bottom right of the page " First < 1 2 3 ... Last >" to display them big enough to easily click them with the finger or thumb, I have to pinch to zoom, then scroll a lot to recenter them, then pinch to zoom again, then scroll again to center again, to finally be able to click the link !
I think that Opera Mobile should keep the screen centered on the spot where the pinch to zoom was executed !
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It is possible but awkward like you say. I find that if you put your thumb at the bottom of the screen and move up with you index finger (so move only one finger) it recentres better than moving both fingers.
I also get huge fonts (set on "Small") eg http://m.google.com/calendar
sometimes text do not reflow to fit screen.
sometimes clicking on links don't work, no response, BUT zoomin/out works.
weird shtuff
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I find that if you put your thumb at the bottom of the screen and move up with you index finger (so move only one finger) it recentres better than moving both fingers.
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I only partially agree
I also noticed that if you do it this way it would center a little bit better as you somewhat keep the screen anchored with your thumb and because you remove the risk of inadvertently scroll a little the text while pinch to zooming or when you remove your fingers off the screen.
Yet if you zoom a lot as for clicking on the damned "< 1 2 3 ... Last>" links it definitely s*cks ! You can see that the text is ok before opera re-render and reflow the text then the text run away
I certainly wouldn't call this a major problem, all it takes is scrolling a little after zooming in, and it's definitely much better than having no reflow - I tried Safari on my wife's iPhone, and it's much more painful.
I agree ...
- it's definitely better than no reflow or no pinch to zoom at all
- it's probably better than iPhone (never gone to the dark side of the force )
but
- if would be definitely better if Opera remembered the position of the center spot of pinch to zoom and then recenter itself there
For most of the links as a word or a sentence underlined or an image link it is OK ... but for the really small links as the <1 2 3 ... Last> ones below it just a pain (maybe you have less chubby fat fingers than me )
Just sticking my oar in, but from an experienced developer's point of view, what you are asking for is a COMPLETE nightmare to develop!
You're actually saying that you want Opera to remember what text is at the centre point of your pinch-to-zoom action, and then find it, after text re-flow, and center it on the page again.
This is ridiculously difficult.
Open an image in Opera and you'll see that it does actually center on where you pinch, but that's obviously because there's no text re-flow in the case of an image. (Incidentally, I mean an image, and not a page with an image on it. The URL should end with an image extension, such as .jpg, .png etc..)
I'm not saying you're all wingers or anything like that, as I too would love this to work in the way you all say you want. I'm just adding a bit of perspective.
I agree it is difficult ... yet not more that rendering the web pages or doing the text reflow itself ! Don't get me wrong, I respect the great job done by opera software ... yet they can do better
Opera is a browser coded from scratch, all the rendering is under opera software developers control. It is not like they are using some memo or third party component to do the reflow and have no control over how it draws itself. They render all the code word by word, letter by letter, pixel by pixel, where they decide to render it. So I suppose they can tag a word or link that will be the center, then do the text reflow, then center back at the right place.
Yet I would also appreciate a simple workaround : a timeout of 1 or 2 seconds to wait after pinch to zoom before the text reflow is done. This way I can zoom my link and click it before it runs away
I usually just double tap because of this. It still works best.
I am 100% in agreement with you. I just bought my wife a iPhone 3gs and I love using safari. I think its a great browser because its very smooth and easy to use. The pinch to zoom feature is very nice I can zoom exactly where I need to go with very little effort. I just received my HD2 Telstra yesterday and have to say that Opera is really bad and not as responsive. I have spent the last couple of hours trying to find a safari like browser with no luck. Lets hope that with wm7 IE gets a little closer to Apples implementation of a browser.
Lord.Nibbler said:
Hi there,
I am the only one here really annoyed by the implementation of "Pinch To Zoom" inside Opera Mobile ?
First I thought that it was because of my chubby fat fingers but after several tests it definitely is an Opera Mobile issue :
I suppose that because of the text reflow after the pinch to zoom, the screen is never centered where I actually zoomed in but shifted at "miles away" and I have to scroll a lot to find the spot where I actually pinched to zoom in
This is worse and worse as you try to zoom in a lot on a small area, typically in XDA forums if trying to zoom in a lot on the tiny page links at the bottom right of the page " First < 1 2 3 ... Last >" to display them big enough to easily click them with the finger or thumb, I have to pinch to zoom, then scroll a lot to recenter them, then pinch to zoom again, then scroll again to center again, to finally be able to click the link !
I think that Opera Mobile should keep the screen centered on the spot where the pinch to zoom was executed !
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Hi, might I suggest you give opera 10 beta a try , it does not have pinch and zoom which would be good for you also it does have other useful enhancements you might also like.
http://www.opera.com/mobile/
I use double tapping as well so I'm not that bothered with that.
What bothers me more thou is when I click on the link and then go back to the same page it never goes back to the same part of a website. Its soooooo annoying.
Lord.Nibbler said:
Hi there,
I am the only one here really annoyed by the implementation of "Pinch To Zoom" inside Opera Mobile ?
First I thought that it was because of my chubby fat fingers but after several tests it definitely is an Opera Mobile issue :
I suppose that because of the text reflow after the pinch to zoom, the screen is never centered where I actually zoomed in but shifted at "miles away" and I have to scroll a lot to find the spot where I actually pinched to zoom in
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This annoys the hell out of me, as well - as you say, it's particularly annoying when trying to zoom in on a very small link (like the page numbers of a thread on this forum, or the "jump to first unread message in this thread" link from the contents page).
To those who are advocating double-tapping "instead", that works fine for reading text, but it doesn't zoom in nearly far enough to allow you to click on a very small link. If you could double-tap several times to zoom in successive levels, that would be fine, but you can't - the second double-tap zooms out again. (Any way to change this?)
I downloaded office 2010 mobile and I believe IE was included or I just didn't see it before (New rom and New device HD2). I ran IE and what an improvement microsoft has made. The rendering using the zoom bar seems as nice as safari. The biggest issue again is pinch to zoom. My HD2 rocks but without pinch to zoom browser it pretty much makes it a pain.
Shasarak said:
This annoys the hell out of me, as well - as you say, it's particularly annoying when trying to zoom in on a very small link (like the page numbers of a thread on this forum, or the "jump to first unread message in this thread" link from the contents page).
To those who are advocating double-tapping "instead", that works fine for reading text, but it doesn't zoom in nearly far enough to allow you to click on a very small link. If you could double-tap several times to zoom in successive levels, that would be fine, but you can't - the second double-tap zooms out again. (Any way to change this?)
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is it possible to disable text re-flow?
ok so this is about the only major bug i have with opera ...you tap to zoom and it flys off and zooms in where you were not looking !!! and if you're zoomed in under the double tap and then try to pinch zoom a bit more to click the tiny "1,2,3...last" on forum links it will fly off again....im forever having to try and find where i was on a page ...soooooooooooo annoying !
how do we fix this ??
how about this for annoying....i am reading a post and the screen locks. i unlock and the browser jumps to the top agsin!
try iris 1.1.9 web browser.. its like safari with webkits support except it was bought by RIM blackberry before it even finetune itself ...non the less it works
I also hope this issue gets resolved. Pinch to zoom doesn't center where I actually zoom in.
I am new here and am ready to get into the wonderful world of rooting.
I noticed that Cyanogen was able to beat google to the multitouch browser, and most importantly, it wrapped the text when you zoomed in. In the new update, per iPhone, when you pinch-and-zoom it doesn't wrap the text for you leaving you to go side to side. This is not the end of the world, in fact far from it, but I was wondering if there was a way to get the text to wrap so I can read and just go straight down the line instead of side to side sometimes waiting for the checkered pattern to load into content.
Thanks
After you zoom in, give the screen a double-tap, and the text will wrap to the current zoom level. Pinch zoom out and it will auto wrap as you go.
Hope this helps--
Jeremy B.
But what I want to do is have the text as big as it was when I was zoomed in and have it wrap to the parameters of the screen; not having it zoom out to where it is wrapped (and where the text is too small).
A quick double tap after pinch zooming does that.
Really? So if I am zoomed in, all I have to do is double tap and it will stay at the same zoomed in level and wrap the text?
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Really? So if I am zoomed in, all I have to do is double tap and it will stay at the same zoomed in level and wrap the text?
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Yup, I think there's a 1 or 2 second span after pinching that you can double tap that will wrap instead of zooming in/out again.
It works!
I was curious about this also after the pinch and zoom was released.
This is awesome! I can't wait to test it out. Just another reason why the nexus beats the iPhone *sigh*
Start asking your questios in the correct sub-forum.
Sorry about that.
i'm asking this because it sucks when i want to get to the bottom of a contacts list or a long text file and I have to scroll it down manually. only some apps support the movement of the "scroll button" on the right (i hope you get what i mean, it's where the button gets bigger). is there any work around to this?
yeah i guess your right. Some of the system menus have that bigger "quick scroll" button, some dont. If the ones that dont end up having many items in them they can annoying, even though the momentum scrolling can go really fast its still not ideal. Unless there is something I am not aware of, I would have to agree with you
there must be some work around. if winmo can, so why can't android?
No I think its great!
you must be using mattc froyo 1.0
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No I think its great!
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great how? do you find 20 seconds of scrolling to get to the end of a page great?
dapoharoun said:
you must be using mattc froyo 1.0
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i'm using the latest nexushd2.
I don't see how it sucks.... Not matter how long the file is, you just flick it up quickly and it will most likely scroll right to the bottom. Obviously depending on how many lines but it won't take you 20 times to scroll....
Willievi said:
I don't see how it sucks.... Not matter how long the file is, you just flick it up quickly and it will most likely scroll right to the bottom. Obviously depending on how many lines but it won't take you 20 times to scroll....
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but still, the ability to go straight to the bottom would be nice. imagine if you're in a life or death situation where your life depends on a data at the bottom of a text file.
You suck at the scrolling of the names maybe? Maybe your phone make seperate post that say "do human with tiny fingers suck at scrolling maybe".................
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dan138zig said:
but still, the ability to go straight to the bottom would be nice. imagine if you're in a life or death situation where your life depends on a data at the bottom of a text file.
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Put google search widget on home. Type name of contact. The name pop right up in search after 2-3 letters.
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Don't blame Android, blame the dev of the app that doesn't have it. Android provides the option, and some apps are better off without such a quick scroll handle, so I'm glad it's an option and not forced.