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gmail app...When?

does anyone know when google will release its gmail app for WM5/6?
I know the java one is available, but I had heard rumblings of a gmail app for WM5.

s4mb4 said:
does anyone know when google will release its gmail app for WM5/6?
I know the java one is available, but I had heard rumblings of a gmail app for WM5.
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What this 'gmail app' does? Just curious. Is it a mail application?

what gmail app...i already have my gmail account set up through outlook on my 8525 to auto sync...why would you need an app...

tytnguy said:
What this 'gmail app' does? Just curious. Is it a mail application?
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Gmail allows you to link all your various e-mail accounts together and view them as one instead of logging into several accounts or inboxes.Those with data contracts wll likely have no dificulties using gmail on the go. However, it seems many folk cannot connect if they are using a pre-paid or payg account with their telecom provider.For these people you currently have a Java Applet version, wifi when available, or logging in via the browser (expensive). Hence the need for an application that gives the same look and functionality as that enjoyed by data conacted folk.Mike

mikechannon said:
Gmail allows you to link all your various e-mail accounts together and view them as one instead of logging into several accounts or inboxes.
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So my question is, "then I should be able to get all my email using the pocket outlook configured to this gmail account right?"

the gmail app that I am refering to is a small client that allows for gmail to push messages to your handheld device. I used it on my Blackberry and it was great. I had heard that google was going to eventually release the same type of client for PPC. Also, I use google apps so I do not have a gmail account. i have a [email protected] account that uses gmail.

strikeIII said:
what gmail app...i already have my gmail account set up through outlook on my 8525 to auto sync...why would you need an app...
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because the pop3 sync is hard on the battery. (unless you accept the defaults to sync every 2 hours.) the gmail app is not hard on the battery. at least it wasn't on the Blackberry.

I'd like to know this as well.. I hardly use the gmail java midlet because it just isnt too great. If they had a native app like google maps or something, then I'm sure they can make it much better.

tytnguy said:
So my question is, "then I should be able to get all my email using the pocket outlook configured to this gmail account right?"
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That's the theory - try it out on the PC
Mike

Have you considered logging into gmail, using the help function there, and then asking google this question? Seems they'd be the ones to know, not us.
You could even inform everyone here about what their response is after you do so.

Could push/ActiveSync Gmail be a possibility?

Hi everyone. I am sure I am not the first person to wonder about this. Microsoft’s “push” email technology that works with Exchange Server is entirely HTTP based. Obviously Microsoft wants this to work with only their server platform but couldn’t it be possible to use this with Gmail?
I can’t honestly see if being that difficult for the folks at Google to reverse engineer the exact format of the HTTP posts going back and forth between an Exchange server and a WM device. On top of this Gmail has Contacts and Calendar as well. If I could sync my WM device with Gmail I wouldn’t need Exchange anymore. I could even use Google Apps to get my email at my own domain name.
I tried setting up mail.google.com and also www.gmail.com as ‘exchange’ servers on my HTC Touch but it didn’t work :-(
The Fish.

thefish123 said:
Hi everyone. I am sure I am not the first person to wonder about this. Microsoft’s “push” email technology that works with Exchange Server is entirely HTTP based. Obviously Microsoft wants this to work with only their server platform but couldn’t it be possible to use this with Gmail?
I can’t honestly see if being that difficult for the folks at Google to reverse engineer the exact format of the HTTP posts going back and forth between an Exchange server and a WM device. On top of this Gmail has Contacts and Calendar as well. If I could sync my WM device with Gmail I wouldn’t need Exchange anymore. I could even use Google Apps to get my email at my own domain name.
I tried setting up mail.google.com and also www.gmail.com as ‘exchange’ servers on my HTC Touch but it didn’t work :-(
The Fish.
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Option 1. forward your gmail account to mail2web or one of the other free services which is a free hosted exchange account (more or less).
Option 2. Set up your gmail for I-map and "idle" it. I know it can be done using flex mail, but not sure about idle in Pocket Outlook.
Option 3. Set up your device to check for mail every X minutes. You already new that one though.
Option 4. Set up to forward your mail to your device. IE: on cingular, it used to be you could forward it to "[email protected]" That one, you would need to check with your service provider.
hth

Hi ssschmidt,
I know there are ways I could forward my Gmail to another email service that is an Exchange Server and so does support Microsoft-style push email BUT I am wondering why Google doesn’t implement this themselves.
There are a tone of Windows Mobile devices out there AND Google is already offering Gmail at your own domain name with “Google Apps” service. If all of a sudden I could get true push Gmail with my own domain name (part of Google Apps) I think a lot of people might reconsider that upgrade to Exchange 2007.
Figuring out the exact format of the HTTP conversation between the WM device and the Exchange server couldn’t be that hard. Heck, I think I might be able to take a crack at it myself
In case anyone is wondering what happens is this. The WM device makes an HTTP request to the Exchange server and says “notify me if anything changes in these folders within the next X minutes”. The Exchange server the starts monitoring the folders in question for the specified period of time. If the folder “changes” (a message arrives, a contact is updated, an appointment re-scheduled) Exchange sends the changed items back as part of the HTTP response (the connection is left open and ‘hanging’ for the specified period of time). If nothing happens and the time period lapses the Exchange server sends an empty response and the HTTP connection is closed. The WM device then resumes the process over again by making another request. This it why it is called “client initiated ‘push’” because in reality the WM device is continually asking for changes. The constant back & forth acts as a kind of heartbeat so both ends of the connection (the WM device and the Exchange Server) know the other is still there (in case the WM device is out of service, turned off or otherwise off the grid).
I can see no reason why this HTTP conversation can’t be implemented (along with the correct URL’s) on a non-Exchange server such as Gmail. If Google decided to offer this I think it might be an Exchange killer. Currently I am thinking of ways I can get my own Exchange server. I have several customers with Exchange and a few of the might be willing to host my email for me. Currently I am using Google Apps which I absolutely LOVE but I would also love to be able to sync my plethora of contacts.
Maybe someone in Google reads these forums
The Fish

I'm sure Google will implement this with Android

berardi said:
I'm sure Google will implement this with Android
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I am sure your probably right. But if Google is interested in taking business away from Exchange (which I think they are judging by the Google Apps sign-up page) then it would make sense to provide this service to the thousands (if not millions) of WM users out there worldwide.
The Fish.

Gmail via Activesync
thefish123 said:
Hi everyone. I am sure I am not the first person to wonder about this. Microsoft’s “push” email technology that works with Exchange Server is entirely HTTP based. Obviously Microsoft wants this to work with only their server platform but couldn’t it be possible to use this with Gmail?
I can’t honestly see if being that difficult for the folks at Google to reverse engineer the exact format of the HTTP posts going back and forth between an Exchange server and a WM device. On top of this Gmail has Contacts and Calendar as well. If I could sync my WM device with Gmail I wouldn’t need Exchange anymore. I could even use Google Apps to get my email at my own domain name.
I tried setting up mail.google.com and also www.gmail.com as ‘exchange’ servers on my HTC Touch but it didn’t work :-(
The Fish.
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From the posts in this thread, looks like nobody mentioned having tried MobiPush. Mobipush allows you to have your Gmail, Yahoo, or other IMAP or POP account email pushed to your WM 5/6 device using the device's Direct-Push Technology. I am currently using the service with my Gmail account and it works well. Sign up is free. You must setup your Gmail options to allow IMAP or POP access, then follow the instructions on MobiPush's site to setup your device. I also forgot to mention that it seems that only mail is sync'ed at this time (no contacts or calendar, or tasks.)
Here's the link:
www.mobipush.com

Windows Live Hotmail provides Direct Push
Another option is to register for a live hotmail account (mail.live.com) and forward your gmail to this account. You can configure your Touch for push email from live hotmail by following the instructions here: http://blogs.msdn.com/mayurk/archiv...dows-live-hotmail-and-windows-mobile-6-0.aspx

mindchill said:
Another option is to register for a live hotmail account (mail.live.com) and forward your gmail to this account. You can configure your Touch for push email from live hotmail by following the instructions here: http://blogs.msdn.com/mayurk/archiv...dows-live-hotmail-and-windows-mobile-6-0.aspx
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However when you do this your reply comes from your Live/Hotmail account. Do you know if you can do this and have your reply come from your gmail account?
Thanks!

Apparently there are other companies/groups that have independently developed products that are compatible with Microsoft’s “DirectPush” technology. So the good news is we know it can be and has been done.
Check out this product http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerio_MailServer
Hopefully Google will develop something that will allow Gmail to masquerade as an Exchange server to a Windows Mobile device. Imagine having push email as well as contact and calendar synchronization with Gmail?? on your WM device? All without any third-party connectors/forwarding/etc.
The Fish.
PS: thanks to everyone for all the suggestions...

www.nuevasync.com for contacts and calendar sync - imap sync is coming - but it's been "coming" for a long time so we can only hope...

try http://www.funambol.com
It will sync calendar, email and contacts.

gottago said:
try http://www.funambol.com
It will sync calendar, email and contacts.
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i am currently using funambol with scheduleworld for my google calendar - are you using funambol by itself for your calendar?
thanks

nuevasync is great for syncing google contacts and calendar. No downloads everything works through activesync. Their blog says gmail is coming so for now I just use IMAP for gmail.

I simply use www.mobipush.com services, works great for emails.

thefish123 said:
Hi everyone. I am sure I am not the first person to wonder about this. Microsoft’s “push” email technology that works with Exchange Server is entirely HTTP based. Obviously Microsoft wants this to work with only their server platform but couldn’t it be possible to use this with Gmail?
I can’t honestly see if being that difficult for the folks at Google to reverse engineer the exact format of the HTTP posts going back and forth between an Exchange server and a WM device. On top of this Gmail has Contacts and Calendar as well. If I could sync my WM device with Gmail I wouldn’t need Exchange anymore. I could even use Google Apps to get my email at my own domain name.
I tried setting up mail.google.com and also www.gmail.com as ‘exchange’ servers on my HTC Touch but it didn’t work :-(
The Fish.
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First of all, you don't need MS Push because Google does have a mail push mechanism in place. It is called IMAP Idle. You can read it from here: http://www.isode.com/whitepapers/imap-idle.html. So all you need to do is setting up your IMAP IDLE compatible client to sync with gmail via IMAP instead of POP.
Now, you may also like to forward you mail to mail2web and take advantage of the push mail plus push calendar, contact and task. But you can also use OggSync and keep everything in Google.

berardi said:
I'm sure Google will implement this with Android
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Well, they already have the solution.

agentmikeyd said:
i am currently using funambol with scheduleworld for my google calendar - are you using funambol by itself for your calendar?
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Actually I am only using/testing funambol on my gmail. I don't use a calendar as of yet, too little time to test on funambol. I do know that contacts synch via funambol does work. I guess you are calling me to task;-)

I know there are various ways using combinations of third party software and/or services and so forth of syncing email one way, calendar another, etc, etc. But imagine being able to sync EVERYTHING in Google Apps with their counterparts on your Windows Mobile device using the NATIVE built-in synchronization mechanism of that device.
If Google is serious about killing Exchange in the SMB market place they will implement this.
Currently I still sync my Vogue with my Exchange server even though I also use Google Apps.
The Fish

there is always this
http://www.codeplex.com/ImapPusherService
works well for me

Did I call it or what?!?!
OK, little brag moment there but!!! Have a look at this screen shot. I am not 100% sure when Google added this but this is EXACTLY what I was hoping for just over a year ago! Did I call it or what? I can't imagine Gmail/Google Apps being any cooler
The Fish

Anyone tried FUNAMBOL for Adnroid?

I think it's supposed to propose a solution for the lack of exchange support (calendar for example) with android.
Anyone knows if it really does?

itaysk said:
I think it's supposed to propose a solution for the lack of exchange support (calendar for example) with android.
Anyone knows if it really does?
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What lack of Exchange support?
I have been using my Android Device with full exchange support for a long while now.
As to the OP, no, I have not used this app...

exchange on N1
Calendar Sync, Accept invitations, overlay Gmail and exchange calendars in a single view, GAL support, auto complete from Gmail and GAL when composing an email, search email on server.
All of the above worked perfect on my good old iPhone.

itaysk said:
Calendar Sync, Accept invitations, overlay Gmail and exchange calendars in a single view, GAL support, auto complete from Gmail and GAL when composing an email, search email on server.
All of the above worked perfect on my good old iPhone.
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I can accept and create calendar events without issue. Never had a need to overlay Google and Corp calendar since I want to keep them separate...
I use 2 different apps for personal and work email, so don't need personal contact in my corp directory or work contact in my personal directory. I can auto complete names without issue in those respective apps as well.
Glad the iPhone let you do that, but I would not have used those features.

Talderon said:
I can accept and create calendar events without issue. Never had a need to overlay Google and Corp calendar since I want to keep them separate...
I use 2 different apps for personal and work email, so don't need personal contact in my corp directory or work contact in my personal directory. I can auto complete names without issue in those respective apps as well.
Glad the iPhone let you do that, but I would not have used those features.
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Hey... maybe I'm missing something.
How do you use calendar? N1 doesn't come with exchange calendar app. Are you using Moto's CorpCal?
What about autocomplete in exchange mail "To" field? Did you do anything special to enable it?

I run my own Funambol server and have used the client for years on Windows/Linux Thunderbird/Outlook and Windows Mobile.
The client for Android only syncs contacts at the moment, and it works. But, the developer typically works at a snails pace, so I'm not expecting to see full sync capability for another 2 years.

[Q] Newbie - Help with Mail

I am total Newbie to android (from iphone 3g) and learning every time I use the phone or browse forums online. Loving the phone so far (its so damn fast)
A few questions in my mind on the mail App:
1. I want to use one consolidated mail app for all my accounts (exchange, gmail with activesync, yahoo & hotmail). Is this possible? I see there is a separate app for Yahoo but I want to use just one app for all. Also I am unable to configure hotmail using activesync. Can anyone please post the settings?
2. I see that the mail app doesnt maintain a tree structure, I need to click at the top to change accounts instead of going back just like I am used to on my iphone. Can this be changed or I need to start getting used to this?
Appreciate any help

I use Gmail for all my accounts. On your PC, go into your Gmail user settings. You can import all kinds of different accounts from there. The beauty of this is its seamless integration with Android OS. Once you set it up you'll never have to repeat the process again. If you wipe your phone or switch phones, you log in and you're good to go.

Thanks for your suggestion. However I would like to seperate out my accounts and dont want to import them into gmail.
Is there any other way to get this done or is it something I need to live with (which i am not very happy about)

s1lverdream said:
Thanks for your suggestion. However I would like to seperate out my accounts and dont want to import them into gmail.
Is there any other way to get this done or is it something I need to live with (which i am not very happy about)
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Only way. I have them color coded in gmail so its easy to see what account it came from

s1lverdream said:
Thanks for your suggestion. However I would like to seperate out my accounts and dont want to import them into gmail.
Is there any other way to get this done or is it something I need to live with (which i am not very happy about)
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Your accounts will be labeled separately. You can color code them and filter your folders too. You should give it a try. It's very reliable.

Ok. I will give it a shot and see. Thanks.
BTW, any inputs on getting yahoo mail and hotmail on activesync working in the default mail app?

s1lverdream said:
Ok. I will give it a shot and see. Thanks.
BTW, any inputs on getting yahoo mail and hotmail on activesync working in the default mail app?
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+1...?
Also, if you set up gmail to get your mail from your yahoo accounts, how frequently will it get/check for your yahoo messages? Can you set it up so that your replies look like it came from your yahoo account?

netter123 said:
+1...?
Also, if you set up gmail to get your mail from your yahoo accounts, how frequently will it get/check for your yahoo messages? Can you set it up so that your replies look like it came from your yahoo account?
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Go to Google and search for these FAQs. All i can tell you is that i get pop and imap accounts pushed through Gmail frequently enough that i never miss a beat.

Email Search

Does anyone know why I can search my imap (aol) inbox and not my exchange inbox in ICS? I'm thrilled we now have a search function but would rather search my work email instead of my personal messages.

Plus one on that... Really looking for that answer.
Thanks!