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Hello folks,
This is my first post here so I am glad to be here. I just installed the Autoboot program for my build as specified below. I was testing the ChuckyDroidROM (which I really love for its simplicty) with both Matt's Froyo with Sense UI (which I enjoy quite a bit) and the Cyanogen Mod version with shubCRAFT 1.4 and I am finding that I am getting a much better battery life with the latter.
So basically I would like to get a reference for battery life with the tweaks here for each type of combination out there so that we can get an idea of what people are getting.
After all, I am sure that we can get longer battery life that of the EVO can we?
Thanks, Albert
as long as you put the android on sdcard, the answer is no
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qingcai said:
as long as you put the android on sdcard, the answer is no
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It doesn't matter so much if it runs on sd, because mainly it's running on memory of the phone and it's same as other android phones.
In ways it's even better/faster than phones nand if you have quick sd card.
Android need to access to sdcard to launch and work. Sdcard access has a power consumption ... So Power consumption is higher in Android, but when a Nand Version of Android will be released, it'll be proximately the same between Android and Wm.
agree with the other posts, but if your new here, read the posting guidelines. This section is for development only, not really a q&a section. If you click top left, HTC Leo: HD2 that will back you out to the main Leo section, from that point you can see the different sections and have a better idea where to post..welcome to XDA, this is one of the most knowledgeable forums I have come across.
I'm not convinced NAND will help battery life all that much, my battery use is dominated by cell standby when I'm not using the phone, and screen when I am. NAND won't reduce either of those.
I'm using TMOUS Energy Reference, Leo_Radio_2.12.50.02_2 and Xcelsior's with great results. Battery easily lasts an entire day.
I tested it out with the build in my signature and got about 12 hours of heavy use using 3G but tomorrow I plan to use only EDGE and hopefully get better life for sure.
There are too many variables in everyone's configuration to do a comparison of battery life(twitter, Exchange, POP, IMAP, Facebook, web usage, talk time, WM ROM, Android build etc). However, it might be useful to show what works for individuals and share ideas.
I don't buy into the "NAND saving battery" too much. It's still memory that needs to be accessed. It will be faster on NAND, but better battery life? I don't have the specs on power consumption per access but I would think an Android build that utilized hardware more efficiently would have bigger impact.
Take for instance your example.... why is your shubCRAFT using less battery than mattc?
battery won't improve very much in final versions, maybe -10% or so (+sleep)
but will never get as good as in WM, because android doesn't have very good optimized PM (even when they finish as much as it can be done). look at any android vs. WM device with comparable internals and you'll see that wm has much longer stand-up time
but hey if you take into consideration hd2's tiny batt i think htc has done some great job with hardware
I plan to downgrade my radio from 2.12 to 2.11 and I suspect will increase battery life a lot. Will post more later.
Testing the Xcelsior Sense build and loving it.
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Hell all!
i considering to go over to android on my HD2.
Have try some SD version, but always go back to WM 6.5...
Are there some NAND version for daily use, with no problem and less powerdrain?
The speed are not so important, but i´m not happy to charge the battery every day.....
Tnx for Your answer.
Yes, most of the current NAND builds (ie the later ones) are very stable and if set up right can draw even less power than wm.
The one I'm using is linked in my signature if you want to give it a try.
leffep said:
Hell all!
i considering to go over to android on my HD2.
Have try some SD version, but always go back to WM 6.5...
Are there some NAND version for daily use, with no problem and less powerdrain?
The speed are not so important, but i´m not happy to charge the battery every day.....
Tnx for Your answer.
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Hi,
I am using Android on nand since MAGLDR has been released. What can I say is works better at this stage of development better than WinMo ever, at least for me. The rom I use (link in my signature) is super fast and stable, no problems so far. Also the battery drain in my case is lower than on WinMo. With 3G, GPS, background data, weather sync every 30min, facebook sync every 30min, emails sync every hour I get 5-6mA on standby which is very low. Battery drain depends also how you are using your phone, if its a lot of gaming and browsing over 3G it will drain faster. I charge almost every day, cause I play a lot on my HD2 There are so many different types of roms, you have to choose from. I need to mention about some minor bugs as well, but they are not big issue. Usually dev or chef writes about bugs in his rom in firsts posts of his thread. As always decision belongs to you.
Using "MDJs_CyanogenMod7_v.2.6_NAND_A2SD+" ROM. Music, internet, Jabber, calls, camera. CPU is overclocked 245-1420 MHz by SetCPU. Have no problems with excessive battery drain. What I'm doing wrong?
There's really not much difference in performance between nand builds and sd builds. Battery drain is the same... I get 3-5ma power drain on standby with most recent sd builds. Main bonus with nand builds is you can use clockwork recovery and you can switch sd cards while running android. If you are not going to use winmo anymore, you might as well put android on nand... but if you still want to use winmo, there's not that much gain by running android from nand. I prefer having 2 OS's on my phone that to have just one. I used nand android for a month or so, but I'm back to using sd card builds because I put wp7 on nand... and performance and battery life are just as good with sd builds as they were with nand builds. With either nand or sd builds, if you put your settings right, you can get decent battery life... it's just as good as winmo (maybe better if set up right) if you casually use your phone and leave it on standby most of the time, but with intensive use, android, both sd and nand, on the hd2 eats batteries quicker than winmo did.
Try the jaws-miui, it's awesome.
I haven't tried any nand android yet, but i'm start thinking of using full android w/out winmo. The reason for that its just that the performance of my android sd build is getting slower in these few days. Laggy sometimes. Not just that, even my battery is kinda drain quite fast too.. the average battery usage now is like 9ma - 20ma on idle. It used to be like 1 - 4 ma on idle.. I don't know exactly why. 3rd party software problem or maybe i got too many of software/games which leads to a high transfer rate on SD which affect the OS operation (laggy) and drains the battery.
So from your experience:
1. Which is better nand or sd? why?
2. What is the advantage and disadvantage using nand and sd boot?
3. Any difference between nand n sd build in terms of performance?
4. What would you suggest for me in order to remove the lag and high battery consumption on my android sd build?
jzack said:
1. So from your experience, which is better?
2. What is the advantage and disadvantage using nand and sd boot?
3. Any difference between nand n sd build in terms of performance?
2. What would you suggest? Fix the battery leaks and the laggy thingy? How? I'm currently using SD Sandisk 16Gb class 4.
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1/ can't say cause if you have 1-4mA at idle it's good.
2/ no WinMo (advantage if you don't want it, faster boot time, no risk to receive calls or SMS in WinMo.. disadvantage if you want to go to WinMo sometime)
3/ I imagine NAND is better for battery consumption... but your 1mA at idle show me the opposite.
2/ don't understand your question...
Don't understand your SD comment. 16Gb is good, class4... hum never feel a noticable difference between classes... but all is in NAND for me.
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1/ can't say cause if you have 1-4mA at idle it's good.
2/ no WinMo (advantage if you don't want it, faster boot time, no risk to receive calls or SMS in WinMo.. disadvantage if you want to go to WinMo sometime)
3/ I imagine NAND is better for battery consumption... but your 1mA at idle show me the opposite.
2/ don't understand your question...
Don't understand your SD comment. 16Gb is good, class4... hum never feel a noticable difference between classes... but all is in NAND for me.
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thanks for the suggestion and answering the question.. i edited something on the thread to make it more understandable.
Ok, I never made some "serious" measurement regarding anything, so my advices will be based only on my feeling.
I tried Android on SD until I convince myself that I prefered Android.
So I choose the NAND to:
- boot faster (I gain the WM boot time)
- reduce my battery consumption (I put all in NAND to reduce the SD access)
- have the ability to remove the SD with OS booted
- performance difference... I really don't know. I don't know the memory techno of the two. RAM is faster... but NAND and SD, for me the techno are close so...
What i'm close to be sure is that even if you don't put an OS in NAND it will be always powered by the phone. So waste of energy. If the OS is not stupid, I hope it has the ability to cut the power of the SD when not in use. If it's the case... less consumption. If not, the dev is stupid... and my consumption will be the same.
My feeling is that the battery life is now very close to what I had with WM.
My advice... test a NAND.
Don't judge the battery life before few days. the first days it's not very good, you can feel it only after few days (looks like auto calibration of the system...).
Second advice. If you don't want a Sense build, test this one:
HyperDroidGBXv4.0
I don't say it's the best. Comparison between build/dev are stupid as a build match a "need". The best build for me may not be the best for you.
So I like this one, that's all.
truc007 said:
Ok, I never made some "serious" measurement regarding anything, so my advices will be based only on my feeling.
I tried Android on SD until I convince myself that I prefered Android.
So I choose the NAND to:
- boot faster (I gain the WM boot time)
- reduce my battery consumption (I put all in NAND to reduce the SD access)
- have the ability to remove the SD with OS booted
- performance difference... I really don't know. I don't know the memory techno of the two. RAM is faster... but NAND and SD, for me the techno are close so...
What i'm close to be sure is that even if you don't put an OS in NAND it will be always powered by the phone. So waste of energy. If the OS is not stupid, I hope it has the ability to cut the power of the SD when not in use. If it's the case... less consumption. If not, the dev is stupid... and my consumption will be the same.
My feeling is that the battery life is now very close to what I had with WM.
My advice... test a NAND.
Don't judge the battery life before few days. the first days it's not very good, you can feel it only after few days (looks like auto calibration of the system...).
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yeah same goes for sd boot. The battery life is kinda great in 1st month.. but idk why it started to lack in these few days.. the phone should be like 2 days or 3 on my average usage.. but now it only survive in just 1 day.. thats why i was thinking about moving fully on android since i used it daily..
truc007 said:
Second advice. If you don't want a Sense build, test this one:
HyperDroidGBXv4.0
I don't say it's the best. Comparison between build/dev are stupid as a build match a "need". The best build for me may not be the best for you.
So I like this one, that's all.
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yeah well thanks.. rom is not the issue.. its okay with any rom.. i actually just wanted to know the difference in terms of performance and battery life between nand n sd.. u really get my point.. so there is.. guess i'll go for nand then.. thanks.. really appreciate it..
You missunderstood what I said regarding battery life with NAND. Just after flashing you will be disappointed. The battery will not be good.
After few days only you will have the real one.
I never encounter what you describe with SD build. I think I never keep one long enough (I was a flash addict).
The Short Version:
Stock froyo downloaded from Samsung's website- My battery would die at work at around 1600, after being unplugged at 0600. We will say it lasted about 10 hours. With minimal usage, with looking at my battery reports my screen was used for maybe 15-20min.
Post root/Midnight ROM 4.2- it is now about 1600 and I have about 90% battery life left with 22min of screen time being used with obviously minimal usage after 10 hours.
Long version:
I was getting fed up with my battery life on my beloved epic and not being able to use it at all. So I decided to do some research and figure out this rooting and ROM flashing business. I KNEW it was not because of the apps and such that sprint blames the poor battery life on because I would monitor that and not use any at all while at work just to see and prove them wrong. I have the same apps installed post root as I did pre root with the same sync settings.
So in other words it is highly depressing that they put so much crap on this phone stock to kill the battery life with not even being used.
I am so happy now, I can actually use my phone without having to worry about being dead in 2 hours.
Thanks for everyone’s help with my flashing question and thanks for this great website as a resource.
Time to try out some different ROMs!
Sounds to be like your phone might of been fighting for a signal or something, maybe a PRL update would of fixed it... I was getting well over a day with the sprint rom.. and now with ACS Rom I get a little better.. but not much..
anyways.. congrats
Hi there,
I have been running SD Android builds for a couple of months, still a beginner. I'm happy with WinMo + Android SD build(s) ... however would we made any progress if we don't investigate further ...
Would NAND Android be any better than SD builds, specifically on Battery & speedness?
Would you recomend NAND vs SD?
MAGLDR OR CLK? What are the differences?
If I want to go back to WinMo ... would it be as easy as having the original stock rom (.nbh file) in a blank microSD and enter the boot loader?
If you still have energy after so many questions, one not as important (I can test myself) ... any ROM recommendation?
Many thanks to all those that make XDA-developers be XDA-developers
Pozi.
hey pozi,
I would recommend using NAND, it's a great experience. a TON better than winmo 6.5. I have great battery life, and the speed is as if the HD2 is an android device natively.
MAG vs cLK: I've tried both. The differences are:
cLK boots faster, and doesn't have a cmd prompt screen during boot.
cLK uses PPP for your data connection (MAGLDR uses rmnet). Sometimes you'll have a data drop that can only be fixed by rebooting your phone with PPP. rmnet is completely stable.
For NAND, to get back to winmo, you'll have to flash the official winmo6.5 ROM just as if you'd flash cLK or MAGLDR.
As for ROMs, it's totally up to your preferences. I've used a few, and currently I'm using TyphooN 3.6.0 because it has all the customization that I want. There are other kinds, you'll just need to test with a bunch to find what you like.
Panda_Face said:
I have great battery life
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Thanks for your answer.
What does great battery life mean for you: 12h, 24h, 36h, 48h ... ?
In average, I'm just trying to have an idea compared to my 12h on SD.
THANKS AGAIN.
Pozi.
It depends on your setup:
What accounts are syncing, What apps are using background data,... you probably know the drill.
I use an app that disables my data usage and periodically re-enables it to sync with everything. So far my battery hasn't lasted any less than 13 hours.
Hi,
im used to flash the Boyppc's roms with cwr so on Nand after have handled a lot of builds on SD card. The battery life is great (2h of music, mail and internet 2-3h and others things with from a mobile so i use 60-70%) the speed is awesome and no problems if I need to remove the card from my phone.
I have tried many roms, I change every few months ... Until I find the "perfect" ROM...
I recommend NAND.
In my opinion it's faster, more stable and less problems.
Great battery life. With normal use you can enjoy almost a day of battery.(but if you use 3G the battery dies)
Right now I'm using the rom TyphooN_CM7_v3.6.0 MAGLDR, my favorite.
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I have tried many roms, I change every few months ... Until I find the "perfect" ROM...
I recommend NAND.
In my opinion it's faster, more stable and less problems.
Great battery life. With normal use you can enjoy almost a day of battery.(but if you use 3G the battery dies)
Right now I'm using the rom TyphooN_CM7_v3.6.0 MAGLDR, my favorite.
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I'm using the sane ROM just with cLK, thats my favorite
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Yes definitely go for nand. Its so much smoother and faster than an SD build. I would imagine that android nand would conserve battery life vs. SD just because nand isn't going through so many processes to make your phone run.
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Heck, if you really want to save your battery turn on airplane mode. You'll go for days
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I would also agree with the other posters that going with a NAND ROM gives you better battery life than an SD ROM. For me, my current NAND ROM has a standby battery drain of 2-5mA vs. my previous SD ROM with a standby battery drain of 7-9mA. I am currently using Tytung's Nexus HD2 v3.0 ROM. Very stable and fast. Everything is working very well. No force closes or drops in data. Market is very stable as well. Call quality is very clear and probably is one of the best that I have tried. I use MAGLDR since it is very easy to use, is very stable and compared to an SD ROM, is much faster to load from off. Try 45-50 seconds from off. If I remember, my SD ROM took almost 4-5 minutes to boot up from off.
As i have just readed the posts would say that your main problem is the BATTERY thing..right??
NAND is is the most stable , fast , battery saver , that you can offer to your phone..as all the people of xda writing above me ^^.
Now if you care about battery try finding a rom thats STABLE ...and not fancy with Effects and cool weather ,live wallpapers and many many other..try getting something stable - fast - and with no much bg programs to run....!
Thank you all.
I've gone to a NAND MAGLDR ROM and I'm VEEERY HAPPY ... at least now .
Already looking to the change rom process so that I can find the one that best suits me.
Thanks again,
Pozi.
pozi said:
Thank you all.
I've gone to a NAND MAGLDR ROM and I'm VEEERY HAPPY ... at least now .
Already looking to the change rom process so that I can find the one that best suits me.
Thanks again,
Pozi.
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What kind of ROM are you looking for? We can help you narrow down your search.
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What kind of ROM are you looking for? We can help you narrow down your search.
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Dayly use, so:
phone + bt + wifi + good responsiveness/overall speed (actually Speed IS important)
gps (not frequent but must work)
battery life (*)
HTC Sense or SPB Shell ready ... any other fancy launcher?
Good to have: navigate through PC's internet connection when USB connected (though saving battery due to not use WIFI and not use my little 3G data plan). Maybe this can be added with an .apk ?
Thanks Pozi.
(*) By the way Panda_Face I followed your suggestion of flight mode to save battery, it did work and saved a lot of battery
There is a "patch" of sorts for GPS which makes it connect a lot faster. It usually takes a few minutes to get any sort of lock from the satellites without it. (Click here to read about it).
I'd recommend either the TyphooN Cyanogenmod or the Nexus HD2. They are both very stable, and have all the latest and greatest stuff for them. They are also well known. Their forum pages have been viewed millions (not joking) of times, so there is a lot of support. And as far as I know they both have everything working (phone + bt + wifi) are very responsive.
To help with responsiveness use just a plain old normal wallpaper. The live ones --from what I've seen--- tend to lag the scrolling and flipping home screens and such.
I use an app called "JuiceDefender". The free version turns off my data connection (3g) and periodically turns it back on to sync with email, etc. The other paid versions of this have more options such as managing your wifi and other connections. This alone has doubled my battery life.
Hope this helps!
Currently on TyphooN Cyanogenmod ... will keep an eye on the Nexus.
Thanks.
Pozi.
i use a patriot class 10 SD card running AmeriCan Android, and it is uber fast.... has anyone ever compared the speed of a class 10 and NAND??? im really curious about this to decide if i want to use NAND or not... lol, i just dont know if it is worth it to redo everything for a little extra battery life... lols...
thomas.nelson4 said:
i use a patriot class 10 SD card running AmeriCan Android, and it is uber fast.... has anyone ever compared the speed of a class 10 and NAND??? im really curious about this to decide if i want to use NAND or not... lol, i just dont know if it is worth it to redo everything for a little extra battery life... lols...
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Battery life is a plus. NAND is nice because it makes your phone feel now like a native android phone. Also you get to dedicate more space on your card for things. finally, you'll be getting rid of winmo 6.5 (worst operating system ever) it killed my first hd2; wouldn't boot one day.
Android NAND is the way to go
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I would also agree with Panda_Face, Android NAND is the way to go. Very smooth and fast. Much less memory intensive. Gingerbread ROM that I am on used a zip file of slightly less than 90mB vs. my old HTC Sense ROM using 445mB of space. Both NAND ROMs were smooth and fast but going with the "lighter" Gingerbread ROM gave me a much faster boot up time. Less than half the time the HTC Sense ROM I used. Battery life is better on NAND vs. SD. Also, when I was using Android via SD, I never realized until I went NAND, how the SD ROM was not smooth when compared to the NAND ROM I am using now.