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htc have said they are developing the Sense UI for eclair, but in my opinion, there is nothing seriuosly wrong with the standard Android UI as it is,
why dont they release the Sense UI afterwards as as optional upgrade?
i think they are wasting their time, i buy HTC phones for the good hardware design and components, not for the UI, even on WM i used to turn off their enhancements to the WM UI.
does anyone else feel they are wasting their time?
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totally not on your side. sense ui is great, i like it much better than stock android. also not on your side concerning htc's improvments in general, sorry...
Love the Sense UI.
Gives it a polished feel. Onlt concern I have is over long term support for it as the device becomes last year's model. But by then, standard Android should be much more polished as well...
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Love the sense UI. Will not go back to Android UI.
Had a G1 running "vanilla" Android prior to my Hero, and I wouldn't want to go back to the standard interface. Sense UI all the way for me!
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I dont see a lot of people agreeing with you. SenseUI is fantastic. Can't wait to see what they do with Android 2.0
Sense is perhaps redundant in some ways, but also very much valuable in many places. The 7 home screens are way more spacious than the default 3. The unified contacts view allows me to get all I need to know about a contact from one place. The skinned apps are more finger-friendly and provide a more consistent user experience.
Overall, I think Sense adds great value to the Android platform, and sets the Hero apart from other Android phones. That's not to say vanilla Android is bad, but it's what it is: vanilla.
I think of Android as more of a bare minimum enabler as opposed to a full mobile OS. Yes indeed, it can be run as a full mobile OS, but the experience is minimal. However, it lays the framework for vendors to differentiate their products from the competition, while maintaining application cross-compatibility.
another problem i see in future is the android os fracturing in the same way linux has, ironically.
yes there is a vanilla feel to the standard android theme, but it runs fast and stable, unlike the sense ui which has already crashed at least once (yes, latest updates have been applied), this sort of thing was common with the WM skins that HTC developed.
for me, the main factor is stability not looks, as im not going to be spending my day looking at the screen. if its not stable enough to not go a day without crashing, then theres problems. moving to htc android from htc wm, i was hoping there would be more stability but not yet.
I kinda like good old vanilla, but sense does look really nice. Things I really like about sense is: contacts, browser, camera, album and calendar. These features are hard to let go of. The special widgets are not a real big deal.
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another problem i see in future is the android os fracturing in the same way linux has, ironically.
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This is always going to be an issue given that Android uses a non-copyleft open source licence. It is simultaneously both a good and bad thing!
yes there is a vanilla feel to the standard android theme, but it runs fast and stable, unlike the sense ui which has already crashed at least once (yes, latest updates have been applied), this sort of thing was common with the WM skins that HTC developed.
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Not discounting your experience at all, but I came from a G1 running vanilla Android, and I've found that Hero/Sense is at least as stable as that.
for me, the main factor is stability not looks, as im not going to be spending my day looking at the screen. if its not stable enough to not go a day without crashing, then theres problems. moving to htc android from htc wm, i was hoping there would be more stability but not yet.
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If you have problems with your Hero crashing daily, you definitely have problems. I seldom feel the need to reboot my Hero. Then again, whilst I use a Modaco ROM, I don't use Apps2SD, Swapper, or regularly kill tasks, and many of the problems I see on this site are likely related to those.
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Sense UI only means every nice thing Google does for Android has to go through HTC, which takes time. Also after 2.0 Android we will not get anything new to Hero from HTC, I can guarantee that. You will have to buy "Hero II".
Sense is a way for HTC to stamp their own branding on the phone. Its a differentiator amongst the coming wave of Android devices.
People have done this for years with WiMo and Symbian.
Its called marketing
I think HTC have done an amazing job with their GUI, as said above, it adds polish to an excellent OS.
Nothing worse IMHO than having a new handset that may look different hardware wise but just like everything else when you look at the screen. Which you do whenever you use it
i have never understood why people are so concerned about the looks more than the functionality/stability. but then i've never understood much about human behaviour
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i have never understood why people are so concerned about the looks more than the functionality/stability. but then i've never understood much about human behaviour
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Well, in my opinion, it's more functional and at least as stable. So, I don't see your problem!
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Dave
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htc have said they are developing the Sense UI for eclair, but in my opinion, there is nothing seriuosly wrong with the standard Android UI as it is,
why dont they release the Sense UI afterwards as as optional upgrade?
i think they are wasting their time, i buy HTC phones for the good hardware design and components, not for the UI, even on WM i used to turn off their enhancements to the WM UI.
does anyone else feel they are wasting their time?
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definetly: NO. Sense UI is the best thing which happened to Android.
Pure Android just doesn't look professional UI wise. HTC was the first company who provided a great skin to android AND made it more functional also (HTC SENSE Contacts app is nearly perfect).
Yes pure Android might be faster, and HTc Touch FLO on Windows Mobile was SLOW. BUT HTC Sense on Android is really fast enough for me. especially after the update. And i can't live without all the great Sense Apps and widgets.
Sorry for my self promotion, but i wrote exactly about this issue on my blog. I'm a longterm Windows Mobile user switching to android, thanks to HTC and HTC Sense. I think HTC Sense brought Android to the next level Usability and UI wise:
http://smartphoneblogging.com/2009/09/a-longterm-windows-mobile-user-switching-to-android-part-4-htc-sense-review/
jpalo said:
Sense UI only means every nice thing Google does for Android has to go through HTC, which takes time. Also after 2.0 Android we will not get anything new to Hero from HTC, I can guarantee that. You will have to buy "Hero II".
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that maybe true. in this case you can always root your phone and get the further updates via xda devs...
still "not getting updates" for 3 years is not enough to let HTC Sense go. It provides just so much better usability. The folks at google can't provide such an experience up to now, and they never will because the whole concept of Android is: take the OS framework, and customize it to your liking, thats when companies like HTC come into play.
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i have never understood why people are so concerned about the looks more than the functionality/stability. but then i've never understood much about human behaviour
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it's not about looks, it's about USABILITY and FUNCTIONALITY, not only one of them. And overall HTC Sense has both.
HTC adds even more to the mix like multitouch and the whole facebook, twitter, flickr integration. Yeah Android 2.0 provides this too now, but HTC will keep adding stuff which is missing in vanilla android.
i accept the point that this is about marketing, but its not like i would forget that this is a HTC phone if the interface did not remind me 24 hrs a day.
i also resent the fact that the default is to have the Sense UI on. it would be ok if there was a more of a choice. maybe i havent yet learnt how to turn it off properly, im a bit of a android noob , i confess
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i also resent the fact that the default is to have the Sense UI on. it would be ok if there was a more of a choice. maybe i havent yet learnt how to turn it off properly, im a bit of a android noob , i confess
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Each to their own of course, but to resent Sense being the default UI is probably a bit harsh when Sense is one of the key features that Hero is marketed with!
If you really want to use the default home screen, the easiest method would be to download "Home Switcher" from the Market (yes, I know it can be done manually, but this is easier!).
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Dave
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i accept the point that this is about marketing, but its not like i would forget that this is a HTC phone if the interface did not remind me 24 hrs a day.
i also resent the fact that the default is to have the Sense UI on. it would be ok if there was a more of a choice. maybe i havent yet learnt how to turn it off properly, im a bit of a android noob , i confess
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You can switch to default Android home quite easily. Go to settings, mnage apps, findd touchFLO, reset it's default category. And press home button - you will be able to choose betwen 2 homes and set a default one again.
Hopefuly you will see how much worse the original home is - even sliding through homescreeens feels unpolished and not smooth. I use 1.6 on the Magic too and trust me, HTC is a savior for Android. Would not use Android at all without SenseUI.
Also, there is a myth that SenseUI stuff sit on top on original Android, like TouchFLO sits on top of WinMo. But that is not true. Since Android is open source, HTC just modify and manipulate it. HTC home is separate though, but it is based on Androids home and runs in the same level.
I'm interested in hearing peoples opinions on this.
1. Do you think Gingerbread will bring a complete interface overhaul? I'm talking animations, images, layouts, multi tasking, notifications, launcher & more
2. Do you think it'll be like sense, improving social network integration, tidying up a lot of images images and adding a bit more functionality to widgets etc?
3. Do you think it'll be like a skin, simply taking image files that exist throughout Android and making them look more modern?
If they do infact do (1), do you think we'll lose functionality of some applications? Will apps have to be designed or positioned differently on Gingerbread?
I'm very excited for this, especially after seeing a video of MeeGo OS running on a smart phone, it looked so fly. In my opinion Google is going to need big changes to compete with MeeGo's interface (Not saying MeeGo is gonna take out Android, just saying it looked really nice & polished compared to Android's current state).
Google did good work in 2.1 with the launcher, app draw, animated backgrounds etc. but the stock images, buttons etc look so old. I think it needs an overhaul!
Well apparently 3.0 is gonna give the whole UI and device a revamp of looks so i cant wait to see what they do, I hope they make android become as polished as ios and bring smoother scrolling in.
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I'm interested in hearing peoples opinions on this.
1. Do you think Gingerbread will bring a complete interface overhaul? I'm talking animations, images, layouts, multi tasking, notifications, launcher & more
2. Do you think it'll be like sense, improving social network integration, tidying up a lot of images images and adding a bit more functionality to widgets etc?
3. Do you think it'll be like a skin, simply taking image files that exist throughout Android and making them look more modern?
If they do infact do (1), do you think we'll lose functionality of some applications? Will apps have to be designed or positioned differently on Gingerbread?
I'm very excited for this, especially after seeing a video of MeeGo OS running on a smart phone, it looked so fly. In my opinion Google is going to need big changes to compete with MeeGo's interface (Not saying MeeGo is gonna take out Android, just saying it looked really nice & polished compared to Android's current state).
Google did good work in 2.1 with the launcher, app draw, animated backgrounds etc. but the stock images, buttons etc look so old. I think it needs an overhaul!
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...and bring smoother scrolling in.
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This... very much, this.
It's amazing to me that third-party launcher replacements offer perfectly smooth scrolling and the stock OS doesn't. I don't get it.
I also want a whole new camera interface with more control, and a built in note pad,to-do list, the basic functionality of a regular cell phone, better market support like the ability to block certain developers apps from appearing and higher quality apps as well as maybe a ui revamp in the market app. Also make more use of the gpu for graphcs. One last thing add a stock widget that displays time and weather and make it AMAZING.
Thats all i really want
OH and a better stock keyboard.
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My predictions.
- Hopefully a new Multitasking UI
- Improved or customizable notification bar( hasn't changed since 1.0)
- General graphic UI revamp.
A Google employee said of you look at the Nexus One gallery app,expect a similar vibe for the whole UI in Gingerbread.
Oh god, we're just two days into august, the speculation can't start now. Gingerbread was mentioned to be released at the end of the year, which probably means Q1 of 2011. That's quite a ways away!
Once you get this gingerbread speculation rolling, we'll never see the end of it, considering it's only august!
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A Google employee said of you look at the Nexus One gallery app,expect a similar vibe for the whole UI in Gingerbread.
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I really like the sound of this although I can't think of how they would do this? I really wanna see a web os like multi tasking too
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Oh god, we're just two days into august, the speculation can't start now. Gingerbread was mentioned to be released at the end of the year, which probably means Q1 of 2011. That's quite a ways away!
Once you get this gingerbread speculation rolling, we'll never see the end of it, considering it's only august!
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Speculation can never begin too early!
If anything, we're late.
I think they are gonna allow us to customize the UI as we see fit. All those Themes and UI's in the Nexus Forum will be able to be added to stock Android's without rooting.
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I think they are gonna allow us to customize the UI as we see fit. All those Themes and UI's in the Nexus Forum will be able to be added to stock Android's without rooting.
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Neat idea, although I think they'll still need a very nice & tidy stock version/overhaul to go with this as a lot of people will review the stock interface, rather than how you can customise it & many will never bother changing it too I imagine! (I don't understand those sort of people )
I think most of this UI overhaul is pure speculation based on the fact that google hired Palm webOS Designer Matias Duarte. He cannot possibly bring so much change in the few months he has been at google. But I will keep my hopes high that they can give a more smoother UI experience (where android phones/netbooks with additional graphics chip can take advantage of its hardware).
A strong and capable google official Theme Maker app (like metamorph) can bring alot of enthusiasm behind it. Would be tough though with so many unique android devices out there, how can they accommodate them all? :S
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I think most of this UI overhaul is pure speculation based on the fact that google hired Palm webOS Designer Matias Duarte. He cannot possibly bring so much change in the few months he has been at google. But I will keep my hopes high that they can give a more smoother UI experience (where android phones/netbooks with additional graphics chip can take advantage of its hardware).
A strong and capable google official Theme Maker app (like metamorph) can bring alot of enthusiasm behind it. Would be tough though with so many unique android devices out there, how can they accommodate them all? :S
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i agree. i also believe that many people speculate that Duarte will bring in many UI changes, but as you said we are talking about 3 months which isn't enough time for a person manage to change the whole look of an OS.
i would be happy if google could at least get their act together with the homescreen which is still laggy as hell and the app drawer which has laggy zoom animations on froyo.
Having all those great benchmarks is cool and sometimes froyo is really fast, but especially the homescreen is a huge letdown.
And the homescreen is the place which you will see most of the time...
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i agree. i also believe that many people speculate that Duarte will bring in many UI changes, but as you said we are talking about 3 months which isn't enough time for a person manage to change the whole look of an OS.
i would be happy if google could at least get their act together with the homescreen which is still laggy as hell and the app drawer which has laggy zoom animations on froyo.
Having all those great benchmarks is cool and sometimes froyo is really fast, but especially the homescreen is a huge letdown.
And the homescreen is the place which you will see most of the time...
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If it's laggy with you i suggest you return your device and get a new one... because this problem doesn't exist on the 3 nexus ones i've used.
I didn't realise he only had 3 months to work with it... :/
Although I imagine he has quite a team working with him to get a lot done in whatever time they have!
I'm running stock Froyo and I don't notice any lag in the homescreen and the app drawer. I installed Launcherpro before and I didn't notice any difference in scrolling. Both stock homescreen and Launcherpro homescreen have smooth scrolling.
Maybe someone can direct me with a video that can show me what a laggy scrolling is like.
yeah i dont get the laggy scrolling either, but then again i use launcher pro for so long now. i'm getting really sick of people comparing choppy scrolling, i want to make a video showing otherwise!! i'll admit certain UI lists do get choppy. but most are not so.
oh and doesnt anybody listen to android podcasts? last week android guys podcast leaked a little rumor that gingerbread was all about tablets, heard from someone directly involved. make of that what you will.
im personally against making the UI look more like iOS... i like the direction that windows 7 mobile is headed with the simplistic 2 tone menus and choice of text over icons.. things like pretty scrolling and fancy animated icons add more bloat
nobody said anything about making the UI look like an iphone, it was said to make the UI be AS POLISHED as the ios is.
norazi said:
im personally against making the UI look more like iOS... i like the direction that windows 7 mobile is headed with the simplistic 2 tone menus and choice of text over icons.. things like pretty scrolling and fancy animated icons add more bloat
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Gingerbread will make Android look like the Gallery app. If you watch the Google I/O videos on YouTube you see that a new music app is being used which has the UI of the current Gallery app.
So when they were showing off FroYo back at the conference, they already had some work done for Gingerbread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dugI-robCuQ
Make that Gingerbread....that's what i get for rushing a thread before lunch.
Nice find. Am I alone in preferring the current look?
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niiiiice!!!!!!!!!
I hoped in new and more transitions effects...
but the major thing i don't understand is why some google widgets are white, and others are black...why don't keep it coherent, it would result much better
Even though green is my favorite color, it didn't look to good in the low quality pics that had been leaked so far. They were all blurry and I think over-saturated as well. But seeing it clearly now it looks much better then I had previously thought.
Also, I like that it's being demonstrated on an N1 still. Take that NS
Here's a screenshot of it, for everyones convenience.
More thumbs from the video at Engadget.
The new launcher graphic looks awful; and what's up with the boxy look of everything? Basic UI stuff like radio buttons look AWFUL now. I'd rather they look completely flat (black/white only) then the cartoon-like gray-ish flat graphics they decided to use in Gingerbread - in fact, I much prefer the Froyo look. Popups are now boring looking, even more so than before which is quite a accomplishment. The status bar is a mixed bag, in the blurry pics I hated it, now I only kind of hate it. I think I can get into a black bar but the icons looks worse - not that the olds were perfect but they were overall better than what I'm seeing here.
Overall I'd rather have the old Froyo look with 3D-gallery-app-like UI overhauls of other central apps, more core OS animations and maybe HW acceleration.
-Just an opinion from somebody who works professionally as a designer and who had high expectations for 2.3/Gingerbread.
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had high expectations for 2.3/Gingerbread.
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Why? Google has never said what changes are coming in Gingerbread, and EVERY bit of factual evidence thus far has pointed to no major UI changes.
Hopefully you are able to choose between a white or black status bar and the froyo or gingerbread dock.
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Why? Google has never said what changes are coming in Gingerbread, and EVERY bit of factual evidence thus far has pointed to no major UI changes.
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that my friend...i believe is actually true.
it seems as though gingerbread is going to be a somewhat minor update. changes to the market, maybe changes to music and one or two more things.
if it does turn out to be a relatively minor update (compared to froyo) i would expect that honeycomb will be released a lot sooner than expected...maybe February/march
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that my friend...i believe is actually true.
it seems as though gingerbread is going to be a somewhat minor update. changes to the market, maybe changes to music and one or two more things.
if it does turn out to be a relatively minor update (compared to froyo) i would expect that honeycomb will be released a lot sooner than expected...maybe February/march
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Fair enough; but who wouldn't consider this to be the most significant visual change since Android's initial release? I would, and like I said, the visual changes in my opinion have so far been bad.
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Hopefully you are able to choose between a white or black status bar and the froyo or gingerbread dock.
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Don't count on it.
Looks like someone made a boo-boo, the video has been taken down now.
yea, the video has been removed by user.
ahahah i saw it but you can't
The people over at Google HQ obviously need to consult with the MIUI graphic designers (consult with someone, please..). No, I don't want Android looking like an iPhone, but the other various changes they made simply just kill the default Vanilla design. Especially the music application. Honestly stock Android looks pathetic at this point compared to other User Interfaces.. very disappointing.
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The people over at Google HQ obviously need to consult with the MIUI graphic designers (consult with someone, please..). No, I don't want Android looking like an iPhone, but the other various changes they made simply just kill the default Vanilla design. Especially the music application. Honestly stock Android looks pathetic at this point compared to other User Interfaces.. very disappointing.
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I'm a dual iPhone/Android user, and while iOS is still ahead in terms of looks (stock vs stock), stock Android wasn't bad. I actually kind of like it to be honest, just needs a little bit more work. This though is a step back.
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http://mashable.com/2010/12/02/android-gingerbread-demo-video/
Just about the most unimpressive home UI tweaks Ive ever seen.
They just made a few things green.
Maybe theres more but Im certainly not expecting it.
Someone needs to explain how some random guy makes Launcher Pro and thus Android home UI inifintely more usable and uniform. Yet google cant even get the dock portion right.
Googles reputation of making things not pretty continues. Im expecting 2.3 to be a very very big letdown.
I really don't see any real improvement to the ui . Didn't they said it'd be better looking and more useability and fun? Still ugly to me. Give me launcherpro with 2.2 and I'm happy. Gingerbread 2.3=fail
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I think the UI rehaul is for 3.0 Honeycomb.
Google has not even said anything about Android 2.3 other then its going to be called Gingerbread. Never said it was going to be a major update or completely change the UI. All the rumors speculated about a UI change but only subtle changes.
Yep, there's nothing official about gingerbread. We will know more once the xda gang get it on our devices!
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I think the UI rehaul is for 3.0 Honeycomb.
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Honeycomb is geared towards better tablet compatibility.
I think the major UI overhaul that was planned for Gbread was pushed back to Honeycomb. I'm not sure if this is because of the timing of the hire of Duarte (as in, maybe the UI was halfway there, they hired Duarte, and he scrapped it), or because they just didn't think they had time to implement it.
Either way, I think the major changes to Gingerbread will be under its skin... everyone's just focusing on the UI because that was probably the biggest touted change. My prediction is that we'll see better utilization of hardware, and thus improved efficiency... plus a number of new (but minor) features.
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Honeycomb is geared towards better tablet compatibility.
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From what I've heard Honeycomb is geared for tablets and superphones and it will start a split of higher end phones getting 3.0 and lower end phones get 2.X. I've seen a guy's phone that said he had 3.0 and it doesn't look like standard Android, the UI was much different. So unless he just had an awesome rom I'm sticking with there will be a UI change in 3.0.
this post is silly. if you think android is an ugly system and UI just use something else.
Launcher Pro looks exactly the same as the standard launcher besides the dock area.
It's a pretty widespread opinion that the Android UI is ugly, and that's the reason why Google is supposed to be overhauling it.
If it was beautiful I doubt manufacturers would spend so much money overhauling it as if it was Symbian 5th edition.
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It's a pretty widespread opinion that the Android UI is ugly, and that's the reason why Google is supposed to be overhauling it.
If it was beautiful I doubt manufacturers would spend so much money overhauling it as if it was Symbian 5th edition.
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I agree that Android's UI needs some help. I'm liking the flat sharp look they're going for. Also, good to see they're sticking with black and green to try to keep consistency. Only little was shown on Gingerbread, but I'm liking it.
Also, even after Google does an overhaul, they will still skin it. It's not about whether it looks good or not, its about setting themselves apart from the competition.
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Also, even after Google does an overhaul, they will still skin it. It's not about whether it looks good or not, its about setting themselves apart from the competition.
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Thank you. I could not agree more with that statement.
Everyone has a personal preference. Some people love the ios ui; some people like me hate it. Yes I prefer Android and personally I prefer my android mostly unskinned (other than maybe a simple black bar theme -- ala Desire). It sounds like I'm in the minority -- but I also dislike 99% of the OEM skinned options like Sense, Motoblur, etc. The most important factor in those being what people in the company designing the UI want THEIR phone to feel like. Then this causes outrage from the users that don't like it. You can't please everyone. /rant
I believe there will be MINOR changes, most likely at a kernel and java level.
Well, I hope that there will be some significant improvement under the hood. From what I've seen so far, I'm not going to be impressed with the revised stock UI at all. In fact, I like the old UI much more (it might of course change over time as I get used to the new look). On the other hand, I'm using HTC Sense right now, which makes the revised UI redundant for me anyway, and I expect HTC to stick with Sense for the time being. Other manufacturers have their own UI too...
I'd be happy if 2.3 were just the same as 2.2 on feature level, but more efficient. Because even though I am impressed with what 2.2 stock phones are capable of doing right now, better battery life is always a good thing.
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Well, I hope that there will be some significant improvement under the hood. From what I've seen so far, I'm not going to be impressed with the revised stock UI at all. In fact, I like the old UI much more (it might of course change over time as I get used to the new look). On the other hand, I'm using HTC Sense right now, which makes the revised UI redundant for me anyway, and I expect HTC to stick with Sense for the time being. Other manufacturers have their own UI too...
I'd be happy if 2.3 were just the same as 2.2 on feature level, but more efficient. Because even though I am impressed with what 2.2 stock phones are capable of doing right now, better battery life is always a good thing.
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Google should dedicate one release per version chiefly to combatting issues with efficiency, speed, battery life, removing deprecated components, and other optimizations - with adding features being on the backburner.
That will at least allow manufacturers to deliver one update to fix known issues on handsets and make them work *better* in a timely fashion without spending 4-6 months reinventing the wheel and reintegrating everything into yet another release.
Also, I don't really blame the manufacturers. Android has some deep-rooted issues when it comes to the user interface and the only way to make it attractive to a majority of people is to make some deeprooted changes.
I personally think that android 2.2 (froyo) actually has a pretty good UI. Coming from an iPhone, I find the squared-off corners and minimalistic (moreso than the iphone, amazingly) UI elements a LOT more aesthetically appealing. I do dislike the non-support for full hardware acceleration and the non-skinned dock, but I suppose that that's a non-issue. Hopefully 2.3 or 4.0 will update the UI, but as it stands I'm not THAT bored of it (granted I've only had my Epic for a month, but still) so if google doesn't it's fine. I really, really, really want hardware acceleration though.
Android 2.3 is really a fail!
I just downloaded a android 2.3 SDK and tested my app, I disappointed very much about it. It's UI is so ugly than 2.2 and before, especially TabWidget style and black notification bar.
I think Google is going towards a wrong road just like Microsoft, and android is not as hopeful as before. Maybe when a company grow great enough, they must be going down...
The problem is, android is not windows yet, if they continue to wrong, they would be dying.
I do not really know what sets 2.3 apart from 2.2, except colour icons for call, programs, and web. My notification bar is a dark grey, so a black one really wouldn't affect me. I never heard of TabWidget.
For me, when I got Stock 2.2, I added on a fake HTC clock, a nice calendar that I'll never use, and have been looking for some other nice apps to throw on my home screens. It looks beautiful. I thought the point of Android was to be customizational? And so far, my Android phone is very much what I wanted it to be. So how could 2.3 radically change that?
I do think we should have more customization options, but it's amazingly more open and freeing than my old Windows Mobile phone with the earliest of Sense on it (HTC Touch Pro)
angingrich said:
I think the major UI overhaul that was planned for Gbread was pushed back to Honeycomb. I'm not sure if this is because of the timing of the hire of Duarte (as in, maybe the UI was halfway there, they hired Duarte, and he scrapped it), or because they just didn't think they had time to implement it.
Either way, I think the major changes to Gingerbread will be under its skin... everyone's just focusing on the UI because that was probably the biggest touted change. My prediction is that we'll see better utilization of hardware, and thus improved efficiency... plus a number of new (but minor) features.
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I second this thought. The UI is a little better, but nothing major. Most of the hype I think was just that...hype with no real information from anyone except what they HOPED would be.
I assume...ASSUME...that before 3.0 comes out, we may see a 2.3.x that will include a more substantial UI update. Or it may jump up to 2.4 or 2.5 for the UI. Not sure how major or Minor Google considers a UI upgrade.
2.3, as we know now, was mainly meant to improve the underlying stuff and to implement the NFC. 3.0 is SUPPOSE to be an update to make android better support tablets (is that official? I'm honestly not sure if Google has officially said that yet), so if that's true then I suspect we'll see one more iteration of the 2.x before 3.0 to give us the UI upgrade that MANY was hoping for.
All that is just a theory though, we may move straight from 2.3 to 3.0 and Google may separate android then with 2 version. 3.0P and 3.0T (That's Phone and Tablet). Who knows, most we can do is wait and see. Though I do imagine at some point they will have a division of the OS for the Tablet and one for the Phone. Same features and all, just optimized for one or the other.
3.0 is nothing like what we've seen before. Its amazing.
I still havent got an update yet.
I would like to get some peoples ideas on what is wrong with HTC sense. I see a lot of people on here don't like it, but what is the reasoning behind it? I'm using a rooted evo with Fresh ROM, and I had a hero before it also running Fresh ROM. I personally love the sense interface, and when I see a plain jane phone like a friends Intercept with just 3 screens, or boring vanilla phones, it's like sense is soo much better. So what are some advantages that you guys don't use sense? Just would like some insight.
I personally love the sense UI. It does have glitches, but so does every other one. I like the seven screens... that is a big reason I love it, not to mention the weather and clock widget. I have tried different phones and don't like them...but that is just my preference!
I use ADW launcher which is more of a stock Android feel. Sense has a lot of great features but its not customizable enough with a launcher like ADW you can change almost any settning. Example my launcher has 5x5 apps and so does all of my screens have 5x5 apps. With Sense you have a wasted "+" key on the bottom right which I dont like who really uses that key.
1. I'm a designer/digital creative in the real world. I like to consider myself as having pretty good design sense and education, most people think so too. That said, HTC was so ugly and badly designed that I wanted to return my EVO until CM was finally released. The graphic design work is amateur at best and is simply a bad random mashup of Android and iOS elements. Although stock Android is simple (which I think is a good thing), the graphics are not badly made. I could go on to specifics but you can search my posting history because I've mentioned it a lot. I even was in the process of making a redesigned theme of HTC Sense and still get PMs to finish even to this day.
2. It's slow. Scrolling through a long contact list is laggy in Sense and isn't in stock Android. I could repeat that line for just about every Sense included app. On top of that there's a lot of Sense processes that eat RAM and processing power.
3. It's probably badly made. It's slow but what else is wrong? Who's idea was it to stick and sync insane amounts of XML into my Gmail contacts to store data? That's freaking stupid and so amateur. Remember how HTC peeps failed to authorize because they used a known depreciating method? Makes me wonder what other dumb decisions they implemented. Of course I didn't stick around to find out.
Bottom line is this: HTC is incapable of making a quality mobile OS on their own. If they could they would. I can pretty much guarantee you that. But they can't because they are not as talented as Google, it's as simple as that. The only reason they love Android so much, and they do, is because it's the next best thing. They can take all their amateur hour coding/design work, stick it into open source Android, and then call it HTC Sense with Google.
You can get the 7 screens with a lot of launchers. I use Launcher Pro plus. It also gives me just about any dock and dock Icon I want... 15 apps on a dock that scrolls + Tons of weather/clock skins from beautiful widgets and sense gets facerolled.
Not only that, AOSP like Cyanogen is just much more smooth, more fast that sense. I never was a fan of vanilla and it took a little bit to get used to Cyanogen.. but after a little bit, I can't go back to sense. I tried and they just aren't near as smooth.
When you first flash CM it is pretty ugly so I throw one of the great themes on top of it and makes things MUCH better.
My biggest complaint about sense is how much ram it eats up.
i don't think there is anything wrong with sense and i have no issues with it. With 2.2/2.3 and 3.0 its need and other custom skins could fade, but make no mistake sense was instrumental in bringing android to the masses. regardless of how you feel about it that was the most important thing. besides, for a hardware company, its not to bad astecically in my opinion either, my two cents. The more important factor is that its android based
xlGmanlx said:
i don't think there is anything wrong with sense and i have no issues with it. With 2.2/2.3 and 3.0 its need and other custom skins could fade, but make no mistake sense was instrumental in bringing android to the masses. regardless of how you feel about it that was the most important thing. besides, for a hardware company, its not to bad astecically in my opinion either, my two cents. The more important factor is that its android based
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Sense was instrumental to bring Android to the masses? Huh? In what way? I'd say that Motorola's Droid campaign was more instrumental (at least in the US), and that was stock initially and near stock even with the blur crap.
HTC Sense is HTC's way of pretending to have invented their own OS. Pretty soon HTC Sense will be so modified that it'll be hard to tell that it's running on top of Android - especially once you realize how much lower the quality is.
Sense is my favorite because of the widgets. I have not found widgets that replace the FriendStream/Calendar widgets... (that look exactly the same or are the same size and show the same information)
The evo was the first phone touted for its interface and software that was on par with the iPhone and in some cases winning side by side comparisons. The droid for sure brought awareness but the evo took it to the next step. There were issues with the initial motoblur that sense didn't have. As the more we get into android the need for sense like overlays I think will subside
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Sense was instrumental to bring Android to the masses? Huh? In what way? I'd say that Motorola's Droid campaign was more instrumental (at least in the US), and that was stock initially and near stock even with the blur crap.
HTC Sense is HTC's way of pretending to have invented their own OS. Pretty soon HTC Sense will be so modified that it'll be hard to tell that it's running on top of Android - especially once you realize how much lower the quality is.
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Top 5 Reasons why people DON'T like Sense:
5: Very "Busy" interface with too much to look at
4: Takes up WAY too much internal memory
3: Way too much bloatware running in the background and too many files associated with Sense
2: No smoothness to it, very jerky, very laggy
1: Very SLOW as far as overall performance, quadrant numbers, and overall feel.
There's just way too much going on with sense. A lot of bloatware and useless crap!
Personally, I enjoy the stripped down look and feel of AOSP, letting Android run the way it's supposed to without any third party interference.
Vipermuscle83 said:
Top 5 Reasons why people DON'T like Sense:
5: Very "Busy" interface with too much to look at
4: Takes up WAY too much internal memory
3: Way too much bloatware running in the background and too many files associated with Sense
2: No smoothness to it, very jerky, very laggy
1: Very SLOW as far as overall performance, quadrant numbers, and overall feel.
There's just way too much going on with sense. A lot of bloatware and useless crap!
Personally, I enjoy the stripped down look and feel of AOSP, letting Android run the way it's supposed to without any third party interference.
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Sense is nice, I love the widgets it offers. I just dont like the dock really, and I agree with all five above and
6. Im just used to the vanilla feel from my g1 days.
Again, people care way too much about the aesthetics when it comes to the positives and negatives about the Sense UI. With as much customization as Android allows us, it's almost silly to say that a particular UI sucks because it doesn't look good; if users don't like the looks, they have every opportunity in the world to change that.
Given that the paint job on top of Sense UI is dynamic, I think most of the gripes are pretty invalid. Instead, let's talk about how seamless FriendStream is... or how Smart Dialer is pretty much the best thing since sliced bread... or how the Facebook integration is the best on any platform this side of the sun? These all count for something, and these all represent the true Sense we should be discussing. If people don't like the mechanics, that's fine. I think you're wrong, and the above mentioned features work great on my phone. But if you don't like how it LOOKS... just change it.
Great point man, especially if you are rooted
sobis1dm said:
Again, people care way too much about the aesthetics when it comes to the positives and negatives about the Sense UI. With as much customization as Android allows us, it's almost silly to say that a particular UI sucks because it doesn't look good; if users don't like the looks, they have every opportunity in the world to change that.
Given that the paint job on top of Sense UI is dynamic, I think most of the gripes are pretty invalid. Instead, let's talk about how seamless FriendStream is... or how Smart Dialer is pretty much the best thing since sliced bread... or how the Facebook integration is the best on any platform this side of the sun? These all count for something, and these all represent the true Sense we should be discussing. If people don't like the mechanics, that's fine. I think you're wrong, and the above mentioned features work great on my phone. But if you don't like how it LOOKS... just change it.
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I agree too, its just the look of it really I dont like, so I use ADW to get that vanilla look. The Facebook integration is the best feature I like.
Vipermuscle83 said:
Top 5 Reasons why people DON'T like Sense:
5: Very "Busy" interface with too much to look at
4: Takes up WAY too much internal memory
3: Way too much bloatware running in the background and too many files associated with Sense
2: No smoothness to it, very jerky, very laggy
1: Very SLOW as far as overall performance, quadrant numbers, and overall feel.
There's just way too much going on with sense. A lot of bloatware and useless crap!
Personally, I enjoy the stripped down look and feel of AOSP, letting Android run the way it's supposed to without any third party interference.
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Basically he went over the top complaints about Sense... the only thing that Sense has over stock Android is that HTC compiled the 4g code for capable phones and unfortunately it's still not available on vanilla roms. That would be THE ONLY plus to Sense but only for it's connection ability nd not its overall functionality...
Hey,
Believe me I can understand what there IS to like about Sense for those who like using its unique features. I'm simply stating what those who don't like Sense, such as myself, find irritating about the UI. It's really just a personal preference when it comes to Sense. Some people really concentrate on shear performance while others focus on functionality and features. I was coming from a rooted Nexus One with CM5 on it and running OH SO FAST and couldn't stand the difference with Sense UI running over Android. To me, AOSP had everything that was important to me and allowed me to access it and maintain it with a heck of a lot more responsiveness and eye-popping performance so I just wanted to keep that trend going with my EVO.
derekwilkinson said:
Sense is my favorite because of the widgets. I have not found widgets that replace the FriendStream/Calendar widgets... (that look exactly the same or are the same size and show the same information)
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Launcher Pro Plus has the stock Android feel, and if you buy the paid version you get widgets that are very much like the Sense widgets. Best of both worlds.
Personally I don't use it, because I don't have the need for those widgets. If I did, though, I'd buy it in a heartbeat because AOSP outperforms Sense by a wide margin.
I agree... Friendstream means nothing to me except more battery drain. I do LOVE the sense facebook integration and the sense copy-n-paste...and a few sense widgets.
But its not worth the drop in overall performance for me to use it.
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I like sense. I also like AOSP. It depends on my mood I suppose. I like the widgets that sense offers, and I must say, using Myn's RLS 4, I experience nothing but extraordinary performance. Whatever he did in his RoM, it is faar smoother than when I was stock. Smooth, fast, and it looks waaay better than stock. Plus, you can customize the rosie buttons to launch mostly whatever app you want. I honestly don't even remember what an unthemed stock evo looks like. Either way, I think it's a personal preference. Try out all launchers and ROMS, see what tickles your fancy.