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I've just noticed something very strange when viewing PDF documents using Touch HD's built-in Adobe Reader LE 2.5: When zoomed into a document and scrolling horizontally by dragging with the stylus, the scrolling just doesn't stop and continues until the view hits the edge of the document! Is anybody else experiencing this?
Here's what I'm seeing in more detail: I zoom into a document (any document, textual or map-based) far enough that the document more than fills the available viewing area both vertically and horizontally. Then I tap and drag the document horizontally. At this point, after stopping dragging and until I lift the tip of the stylus, the document stops scrolling. But, as soon as I lift the tip of the stylus, the document restarts scrolling in the direction I just dragged it and just doesn't stop until it reaches the edge of the document in the scrolling direction. Trying to "catch" the document with the stylus during the scrolling in order to stop it is of no use.
I think I've also noticed that the first couple of attempts at scrolling immediately after opening a new document works fine. The problem sometimes only shows up in subsequent attempts.
This doesn't happen at all when scrolling vertically by dragging. It happens any time the dragging is "mostly" horizontal, but never when I drag "mostly" vertically.
Scrolling around using the scroll bars (by tapping the scroll bar or arrows, or dragging the scroll bar) works just fine.
Could one of you try this out and let me know if you're seeing the same thing?
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The size of the document doesn't seem to make any difference. Small documents or large, it happens every time.
I've played around with "non-linear" dragging. If I drag in an "L-shaped" motion, it appears that the problem only applies when the horizontal portion of the "L" is longer than its vertical portion. Dragging in circles and other jumbled motions produces mixed results.
I came across a map with "bookmarks", where a little "tab" appears near the top of the viewing area in Adobe Reader. When I click the tab, the window splits into two panes, with the top pane showing the bookmark list and the bottom showing the document. When in this mode, the problem disappears. Scrolling by dragging in either direction works perfectly. (And a little faster, oddly.) After I close the top pane, the problem returns. This is the main reason why I think this is an Adobe Reader bug, rather than a side effect of some other software or a setting change that I have on my Touch HD.
I used several other Windows Mobile devices before this one, and on all of them, the software I used for PDF documents was "Adobe Reader for Pocket PC 2.0". (This includes even my AT&T Tilt running WM 6.1.) This "Adobe Reader LE 2.5" is new to me. I wonder if there would be any adverse effects if I tried the 2.0 reader on my Touch HD. I'm worried it might clash with the built-in reader in some bad way. In fact, I'm sure the "Pocket PC 2.0" version of the reader doesn't support VGA (and higher) resolution screens. (I used to use a utility called "Real VGA" on my only other VGA PDA on which I used the Adobe Reader for Pocket PC 2.0 earlier, in order to get it to display documents at the right resolution.) Does anyone here have any experience related to this?
The whole issue evokes an attempt at "inertial scrolling" (not sure if that's what it's mostly called), where, if you "flick" the document with the stylus, the scrolling continues for a little while longer in the same direction after it slows down and stops. If that's what Adobe Reader is trying to do, it's certainly a failed attempt, because there's no sign of a slow down, it never stops, and this happens every time I scroll horizontally by dragging; i.e., even when I did nothing like a "flick".
Anybody have any relevant experiences?
No PDF users around??... Could I really be the only one here who views maps using the built-in Adobe Reader LE 2.5?!
Got something similar happening with PIE, not that that helps ya much!
When in desktop view, any drag continues until the screen is tapped again.
Hmmm... I don't use Pocket IE at all, but that's an interesting clue. Thanks.
I've noticed the issue with the scrolling on PDF documents that require a lot of rendering (note that "lots of rendering" reflects complexity of the document, not size).
It seems that the processor is too busy rendering the document to detect when you stopped dragging the screen (but funnily enough, not too busy to detect when you started).
The solution for me was to scroll using the scrolling bars, as opposed to just dragging the entire document. Either that, or scroll veeeryyy slowly .
milan_ns said:
I've noticed the issue with the scrolling on PDF documents that require a lot of rendering (note that "lots of rendering" reflects complexity of the document, not size).
It seems that the processor is too busy rendering the document to detect when you stopped dragging the screen (but funnily enough, not too busy to detect when you started).
The solution for me was to scroll using the scrolling bars, as opposed to just dragging the entire document. Either that, or scroll veeeryyy slowly .
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Thank you for your feedback.
I had thought of the same thing about "the CPU being too busy to detect the end of dragging" too. To experiment with that, I tried waiting for the rotating "wait cursor" to disappear before lifting the stylus from the screen after a drag. It didn't change anything.
I must also state that I see the issue even with a 190 KB (i.e., small) PDF document with nothing but text in a table in it. I don't even see any delay or a "wait cursor" at any point when I'm interacting with this document. But, when I'm zoomed into it and I drag to scroll, it causes the same "neverending pan" behavior.
The point about the scroll bars is valid. I was just trying to check first whether the experience was common, or if it might be due to something goofy that I might have done myself. I guess it's the former...
If you press on the screen and then swipe your finger while maintaining pressure and then stop at the point you like, wait for a moment and then release your finger, you will have full control over the distance scrolled.
However, if you really want to make PDF reading a positive experience, intall diamond acrobat reader le cab that enables reflow on the documents that are not even tagged. It is available on this forum.
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If you press on the screen and then swipe your finger while maintaining pressure and then stop at the point you like, wait for a moment and then release your finger, you will have full control over the distance scrolled.
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Nope. Doesn't work for horizontal scrolling. It resumes scrolling in the same direction as soon as I lift my finger and doesn't stop until hits the edge of the document, no matter how long I "wait for a moment".
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However, if you really want to make PDF reading a positive experience, intall diamond acrobat reader le cab that enables reflow on the documents that are not even tagged. It is available on this forum.
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Not a bad idea. I might give that a try. Thanks.
Staying on topic about PDFs.
Does anyone know how a good software for the HD to read PDFs?
I went through Team Ones to PocketXPDF and they all had problems.
Team Ones was the best but it didn't seem to display the whole PDF at all, cutting parts at the end and it was heaps slow.
The Adobe one is just shocking.
Want one that wraps the text to fit the screen no matter what zoom, the Team One did this very well.
Do we have any solution for this? Reader 2.5 LE, with reflow mode enabled (needs a change in the registry) is just PERFECT to read eBooks, except for the horizontal scrolling issue. Because of that, I'm reading books in vertical mode.
does any body know how to disable the touchFlow for the reflow in the adobe reader 2.5?
True. It seems Reader 2.5 LE with reflow hack appears to be the best among all. But reflow can be very bad for certain documents..
What I think would be a perfect companion for Reader 2.5 LE would be a scroll hack app..
What the app should do?
1. User inputs the % he/she zoomed the given page for comfortable viewing.
2. Support tapping the 6 spots on screen see attach.(when the reader is running).
3.Scroll accurately the document into one of the 6 positions.
One input may be sufficient for a multipage documents with same lay out.
May be some more flaws in my idea... but seems possible --- anyone??
Too bad that I don't know prog for PPC.
Any way don't fire this newbie
montag09 said:
Do we have any solution for this? Reader 2.5 LE, with reflow mode enabled (needs a change in the registry) is just PERFECT to read eBooks, except for the horizontal scrolling issue. Because of that, I'm reading books in vertical mode.
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After pressing the bottom left hardware botton to select text, I'm having problem placing the cursor to accurately indicate the starting and ending position of the selection. What is the big secret on how to do this operation right?
i have the exact same problem.. i wish the phone had arrows or a trackball.. and when you select text twards the far right of the text box, it auto moves the screen back to the center of the box.. its very difficult, the only advice i can offer is pinch zoom in very close, till the text takes up most of the screen, and highlight better. of course pinchzooming method will only work for email and web pages.. no help for texting..
If I zoom in, then either the beginning of end of the selection block is no longer in view, and dragging does not automatically scroll the screen like in iPhone.
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If I zoom in, then either the beginning of end of the selection block is no longer in view, and dragging does not automatically scroll the screen like in iPhone.
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As someone who is coming from an iPhone I can tell you that this is something that I really miss.
Android needs to learn how to do proper copy and paste (this is not just a Samsung thing).
On a side note, I am really hating the email client on android, this is not a phone very usable in a corporate (Exchange) environment!
Perhaps it is a mistake to omit the trackball?? Looks like trackball is extremely crucial for any Android phone.
Kurtbee, you're right. Google has not thought through the design of copy and paste properly yet.
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Perhaps it is a mistake to omit the trackball?? Looks like trackball is extremely crucial for any Android phone.
Kurtbee, you're right. Google has not thought through the design of copy and paste properly yet.
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No, trackballs are a step backwards. Android should simply implement a better way to select text - the iPhone does it beautifully.
I also am not in love with any of the email clients - even K-9 has a crappy/ugly interface. And why isn't there a way to force check email in the Integrated Mailbox?
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No, trackballs are a step backwards. Android should simply implement a better way to select text - the iPhone does it beautifully.
I also am not in love with any of the email clients - even K-9 has a crappy/ugly interface. And why isn't there a way to force check email in the Integrated Mailbox?
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Totally agreeing with you. However, copying Apple might land Google into a law suit, so I think they'll be weary of that.
BTW, for INPUT field only, I accidentally discover a way to accurately do it. Here's how:
1) On the Swype keyboard (that's why it is only limited to input field, unfortunately), draw a North west to south east line going across the upper right corner of the Swipe key. In other word, from the upper case arrow position to the SYM key. This will change the keyboard to one that contacts cursor, home, select all, select, text, cut, copy, paste.
2) Then use the cursor key to move to the one end of the selection block.
3) Press the select text button
4) Move cursor to the other end of the selection box, followed by either a cut or paste key depending on what you want to do. This will copy the block to the clipboard.
Unfortunately, often I need to select from non-input field as well, and there is no solution for that yet.
Hope this little tip helps everyone. Cheers.
Same thing for the samsung keyborad if you press the 123 field for a long time.
Now we need to find a way to do the same on a web page ...
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Same thing for the samsung keyborad if you press the 123 field for a long time.
Now we need to find a way to do the same on a web page ...
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Thanks, but how do I change the keyboard from Swype to the Samsung keyboard? Is this keyboard from Samsung or from Google?
Just touch the text until you see a pop up.
Then you should have the possibility to change the keyboard
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Got it. Thank!
Wow, thanks guys, this will make typing a lot easier! You would think the arrowy keyboard thing would be more highlighted and easily accesible since it's making the experience much better. Well, maybe in the gingerbread, they didn't hire the Palm UI guy for nothing...
I find it a little difficult, but can usually get it after 2 or 3 tries max.
Maybe using fingernail is more accurate?
Finger nails do not work on capacity touchscreen though. Even if it does, how do you deal with situation where the selection block span outside the screen? There is no provision to scroll the screen during the selection process.
HTC Sense Androids have a great copy-paste feature identical to IPhone. Hopefully it can get ported to galaxy
Cons:
The text input is a bit weird. It seems that if you start input in the middle of the page, a lot of blank spaces will be automatically added before the starting position.
The number of characters is limited for text input.
There is no option for the text format, such as font, size, color, etc.. No paragraph style either...
The S-Pen input is a bit slow, although acceptable.
Sometimes the S-Pen tip is shifted quite far away from the point on the screen it just drew, but sometimes it works much better. I am not sure whether it really behaves differently at different time, or it's just my wrong impression. Maybe it depends on other sensors?
Cannot insert any special shapes, such as a circle or a rectangle.
The background style is limited. Sometimes I would like a completely black background. The same for the page layout.
It would be great if the memos are searchable + character recognizing feature.
The multi-page (dock?) feature is inconvenient to use. It should be much more intuitive than it is now.
Cannot edit the inserted images/photos. I think it should be able to crop an image at least.
It is a bit slow, when displaying a thumbnail for all the memos, when start editing a memo, or when saving a memo.
The desktop widget of the S-Memo only displays the middle part of a page, instead of the full page.
Pros:
The S-Memo can be invoked anywhere with the S-Pen.
The screen capture feature with the S-Pen is sometimes useful.
I've created a topic for point 5. Can't we calibrate it somehow like we did for Windows Mobile?
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I've created a topic for point 5. Can't we calibrate it somehow like we did for Windows Mobile?
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I have no clue about this. The thing is that, sometimes it works well, sometimes not so well. I don't know why... Maybe it's my wrong impression...
I even suspect that maybe it has been optimized for certain holding position, so I tried to calibrate the positional sensor of the phone (available in the settings)... I don't know whether this is really relevant...
Come on people it is just released. Will be alot better when the SDK in December is released!
No it's not
The S memo works fine for me.
A lot of functionality was done away with when manufacturers went with capacitive screens because there is a limit to what you can do with a finger on a capacitive screen.
For example, there were many more options for input into a calendar which were too cumbersome for fingers, so they were dropped. Things like, but not limited to; recurring events.
Now I have it back, and lots of other USEFUL functions.
I can't count the number of times that someone has given me a phone number or address but there had not been time to enter it with the one finger on a touch screen method so a piece of paper had to be used, if there was one.
When the capacitive screen was adopted en mass, the baby stylus was through out with the bath water.
I'm glad to have it back.
The s-memo tool is fine.
It is similar to the old Windows Mobile Notes
Yes, I also think the S-Pen is quite handy. Nevertheless the S-Memo application has a lot of space to improve, to make the S-Pen even more handy.
At present I somehow prefer Evernote and its Skitch tool, although Skitch is not pressure sensitive.
I just want more space. The rest I can live with. I want the equivalent of A4, just let me scroll around. That would make me happy with it. Still, taking notes and attaching to calender appointments like a champ.
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Cons:
The text input is a bit weird. It seems that if you start input in the middle of the page, a lot of blank spaces will be automatically added before the starting position.
The number of characters is limited for text input.
There is no option for the text format, such as font, size, color, etc.. No paragraph style either...
The S-Pen input is a bit slow, although acceptable.
Sometimes the S-Pen tip is shifted quite far away from the point on the screen it just drew, but sometimes it works much better. I am not sure whether it really behaves differently at different time, or it's just my wrong impression. Maybe it depends on other sensors?
Cannot insert any special shapes, such as a circle or a rectangle.
The background style is limited. Sometimes I would like a completely black background. The same for the page layout.
It would be great if the memos are searchable + character recognizing feature.
The multi-page (dock?) feature is inconvenient to use. It should be much more intuitive than it is now.
Cannot edit the inserted images/photos. I think it should be able to crop an image at least.
It is a bit slow, when displaying a thumbnail for all the memos, when start editing a memo, or when saving a memo.
The desktop widget of the S-Memo only displays the middle part of a page, instead of the full page.
Pros:
The S-Memo can be invoked anywhere with the S-Pen.
The screen capture feature with the S-Pen is sometimes useful.
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The S Memo function works fine for me and I think it is a great feature.
My gut feeling is that you are missing the point of the s memo.
Think about this - the purpose of s memo is to consolidate the paper/pen combination into the phone. That, and to give you an easy way to import that information into other apps.
So I feel the s memo is a quick 'get this quickly into my phone', and if you want to edit it (background, crop, etc) you move it into a relevant program.
You still have some valid points, but I think many of them are just wrong expectations. it's not supposed to be a word processor. It's more quick and dirty.
Would love stylus input on skitch
QUOTE=fjdu;19161361]Yes, I also think the S-Pen is quite handy. Nevertheless the S-Memo application has a lot of space to improve, to make the S-Pen even more handy.
At present I somehow prefer Evernote and its Skitch tool, although Skitch is not pressure sensitive.[/QUOTE]
This is the only device capable of changing my poor opinion regarding capacitive screens and the "finger friendly" software.
After seven years enjoying with the stylus using it in different devices, now with the NOTE I"ll be able to have the best of both worlds: The precision of the stylus and the multitouch feature off a capacitive screen.
All the best.
Anyone know how do s memo auto sync to google docs instead manually sync..?
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The main beef I have with S-Memo is that it shrinks imported images down, reducing their detail. I haven't spent enough time with the different tools to figure out a decent workflow yet, so perhaps there's a better way of doing it.
I've also tried editing video with the Video Editor and it's quite frustrating.
EDIT: I found out that, in S-Memo, clicking an imported image for 2sec brings up resize handles. So it retains its quality, it's just that the default import size is quite low initially.
I am secretly wishing someone ports Microsoft OneNote into Android and I can really use this over skydrive and do post processing in the desktop. (This is how I have been doing between my tablet and desktop)
To willstay:
Have a look at MobileNoter. it's a paid app for using Onenote on Android devices. Haven't tried it myself.
The S-pen and Memo is fine, I use a Wacom tablet for design and this is very similar tech. The objective is to provide a quick and simple note facility for those on the go, ie to jot a number or a quick sketch of a location or idea.
It's not for budding artists to create the next Constable or CAD engineers to finish the new Space Shuttle. Man get a grip people. I've spent more dollar on a full touch white board with less accuracy.
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The S-pen and Memo is fine, I use a Wacom tablet for design and this is very similar tech. The objective is to provide a quick and simple note facility for those on the go, ie to jot a number or a quick sketch of a location or idea.
It's not for budding artists to create the next Constable or CAD engineers to finish the new Space Shuttle. Man get a grip people. I've spent more dollar on a full touch white board with less accuracy.
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Thank you.
Well put.
I too missed the stylus, and S memo does a good job for what it is intended, quick, simple note taking.
It's actually an improvement over the old windows mobile notes.
And for a capacitive screen, it is excellent.
There are other apps for the Note, including Autodesk Sketchbook Android for engineers who want to draw
Does the s-pen work with other apps, such as FreeNote or Skitch?
Thanks!
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Does the s-pen work with other apps, such as FreeNote or Skitch?
Thanks!
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Works with skitch. Did not try free note.
point 5 could be because of your palm?
Could it be because the base of your palm touch your sreen?
I got mine working nicely. It even wotks well with my full size ablet PC stylus. Check out the attachmet. Idrew it on S Memo.
Is there a way to activate or create a two fingers scroll on desktop apps, like for a PDF-Editing Software?
Because I want to edit a PDF document and when I want to scroll I have to close the edit modus in the Software first.
On an Ipad there is this feature. You can edit a PDF file and if you want to scroll, you have to use two fingers.
Is there an app to create this multitouch gesture or to activate it on windows 8?
PS: I have an ASUS VivoTab Smart.
Sorry for my bad english but this is not my native language.
Just to be clear: scroll on-screen, not scroll on a touchpad, right? Because the latter is already supported on pretty much everything.
I guess I've never tried to scroll on the screen in "fingerpainting" mode. The worst I've done is accidentally tapped a word and selected it (or click a link) and had scroll attempts just change the selection area. THe rest of the time, one-finger scrolling works for me.
That said, there is an entire Windows control panel devoted to tablet behaviors and gestures. That's a good place to look. Try a Start search for "gesture" and look under Settings.
Yes I mean scroll on-screen.
One finger scrolling works for me too, but when I edit a PDF file it would be easier to scroll with two fingers without tabbing the scroll-bar.
I found nothing to change or edit in Touchscreen options...
want to find out this too. how do i select text in excel or word when drag gesture is already scrolling and not selecting. quite frustrated.
You can mark text, just tab with one finger/pen fast/Short on it. Two moveable small circles are appearing to mark what you want. Works in IE, Office, and so on....
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Hi all,
do you use the mouse pad f.e. in Chrome browser (other apps as well)? My is working so bad.
Most time its scrolling the page, but I dont want to scroll. And I dont know why its scrolling because I didnt make a double tap or something else.
How do you use it? Is it working fine?
If your page is scrolling, you probably hit the spacebar. It takes getting used too, but it is definitely serviceable.
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If your page is scrolling, you probably hit the spacebar. It takes getting used too, but it is definitely serviceable.
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Ok, what is the right way to scroll? For example how do you scroll down and up in Chrome with mousepad?
You can't. I use the touchscreen or the arrow keys.
Space bar acts same as the dedicated "page down" key. "Page up" key takes you in the other direction. For fine granular line by line scrolling, use the dedicated cursor arrow keys. My Logitech Bluetooth mouse scroll wheel does proportional up and down scrolling.
I wish the onboard touchpad was multitouch and could do scrolling nicely, but it does not at the moment. Fingers crossed it's software fixable.
I use the arrow keys for keyboard scrolling. You might need to install chrome beta instead of the normal version.
I think the hardware supports multi touch, but it might be software related.
If you two finger hold in apps that support it, it does a right click. So it supports multitouch for sure. Major oversight not to have two finger scrolling, but I suspect it will come in time. My understanding is the windows version has it already.
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If you two finger hold in apps that support it, it does a right click. So it supports multitouch for sure. .
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Hi, what Android apps support that? I want to try it. Thanks!
I noticed it in crossover on the yoga book, but I feel like I've used it in other apps previously on other Android devices.
Just now played with the Windows 10 version of the Yoga Book and it's touchpad supports 2 finger scrolling in Windows explorer for sure.
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Just now played with the Windows 10 version of the Yoga Book and it's touchpad supports 2 finger scrolling in Windows explorer for sure.
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Yes, with the Windows Book you can use scrolling with two fingers. But with Android its not possible
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Yes, with the Windows Book you can use scrolling with two fingers. But with Android its not possible
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Such a pity as I know RemixOS flavor of Android supports touchpad 2 finger scroll and pinch to zoom.
Its worth noting too that if you activate the drawing pad you can use the pen to make the drawing pad a giant touch pad.
That's true, and it allows you to "hover" over menus in chrome. Identically to the S-pen on various Samsung Note devices. Makes me wonder why the mouse doesn't support it.
I don't know if I'm the only one to forget, but you can adjust the mouse pointer speed in settings under language and input.
Unlike the Android version at the moment, I found the Win10 Yoga book touchpad implementation also does pinch to zoom. No surprise if all Win 10 modern touchpad multi gestures are there too. I don't expect many people care so much about the omission from Android outside of us Android Yoga Book users.
Thought I'd let you guys know that someone posted a program some guy made to make some minor modifications to the touch-pad (only in Windows 10 though.. ) if you don't like how it feels/works. I also put it in my Megathread.
2 finger scroll works in the latest update!
With the last update to version 170519 the mousepad works mostly perfect.
old thread to me, but if you haven'tchunked it out the window, i found the expalanation - it is designed by lenovo not to work when typing- until you tap the white circle/dot in the middle. once i got that into my brain, it completely removed that aggravation of why it seemingly randomly got stuck.