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To start off, I don't have a Wizard, I own a Universal. I am thinking about moving to the Wizard for gaming. I like the button setup on the wizard. Now, I know most of you are thinking, don't consider the buttons because the phone keys can't be mapped. However, I would like to recommend a program to you all called aebuttonplus, which will allow you to map the phone buttons to "virtual buttons." These virtual buttons can be recognized by programs like Pocetnestor and gnuboy. At least they work on my Universal.
My other concern is that the processor isn't fast enough. Seems like you all are overclocking, but apparently you can't run spbplus, which I really need. This may be a problem for me, and there is no discussion here, I have to run spbplus.
So, my next thought is the Apache. A faster processor, from what I understand, that doesn't need overclocking. I just don't like the antenna nub. Also, the buttons aren't quite an issue on this device, but I don't know about the joystick.
I would also recommend to you all the bluetooth gamepad, I have found drivers that work on the Universal. It really takes gaming to a new level on a PDA.
Thanks for any advice/thoughts/responses.
hey give me more info on this bluetooth gamepad.
My wizard is not overclocked and runs SPB Pocket Plus without any problem, the device is as responsive as it it without SPB Plus.
i have yet to really get into gaming on the wizard... the butotn layout just does work for me good..
im thinking the bast games for wizard are point and click type games like myst or simple games like who wants to be a millionare
need for speed is ok but madden is unplayable for me.. control is horrible
Wow, 200 views and 3 replies. You Wizard folk are gamin' fools, LOL.
Anyhow, the bluetooth gamepad is called the Freedom Bluetooth gamepad. There's lots of different brandnames for it. Google away.
Koksie, I was referring to overclocking in order to run game emulators. Problem is, overclocking is supposedly disabled by sbp. Don't know why, but that's what I've read in these forums.
Guyver, thanks for your reply on the buttons, I guess you are saying the buttons work okay for gaming?
I can't believe you guys don't play game emulators (like NES, gameboy, etc.). A nice time waster when you are sitting in a department store, wedding, etc.
Sorry, I misunderstood your post.
I use Omapclock to sometimes overclock my Wizard when running TomTom and it works fine, in TCPMP my clock speed is shown as 226 Mhz when I put it in 240 in Omapclock. When I put it back to 180 Mhz in Omapclock ( the default speed), TCPMP shows a 170 Mhz speed, so Omapclock works imo.
I used to play around with Morphgear and Ninentendo emulators on my Magician, but the button lay-out on that device made it hard to play games. Sound and display of the games were ok though. On my Wizard I have not tried it, although with this button lay-out is should be easier to control the games. Speed and sound of the games might be an issue though, even when overclocked.
Thanks, Koksie, good info!
I can overclock my Wizard to 264mhz with SPB pocketplus. That's plenty to run a snes emulator etc. It is an arse not being able to assign hardware buttons though :/
I've grabbed the emulators off the ftp, but where do I get roms for games?
mike freegan said:
I can overclock my Wizard to 264mhz with SPB pocketplus. That's plenty to run a snes emulator etc. It is an arse not being able to assign hardware buttons though :/
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Mike, you're exactly the person I want to talk to. Try a program called aebuttonplus, and you can assign the phone buttons to "virtual buttons" which are recognized by the emulator. It works on my universal, at least, and the button setup on the Wizard is much better than the Universal. Give it a shot and let me know if that helps.
I actually meant to say that the layout isnt too good fpr gaming...atleast 4 me
well with pocket nester. if you turn off GAPI landscape mode works fine and you can assign keyboard buttons to whatever you want.
as of right now, to make it usable also turn on alternate scanning of keys for multiple button presses.
knowing both of these makes games "playable" but not nearly as nice as a real joystick.
our best bet is to bug any developer or possibly collectively pay together to have some fix all the open source emus out there.
landscape Is by far the best way to game on this bad boy. but from eperience the keypad is lackluster AT best for controlling games.
right now the only emu out that supports keypad/landscape mode is pocket nester.
turn off gapi in video settings. and turn on alternate key scanning for best possie controls on device.
sorry for misspellings/grammar errors, I am posting this from my wizard.
hi!i have just bought Tytn and i am looking for applications and games...i think i have read in this forum a web page that has apps and games(for free) but i cant find that anymore...can anyone give me the address?thank you a lot
This is a nice one
http://www.freecabs.de/
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Freeware...
Pocket PC Freeware - http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com/en/index.php
Freeware Pocket PC - http://freewareppc.com
Make sure you follow my reviews in the General forum here, I continuously review a lot of titles and my verdicts are pretty reliable
Menneisyys said:
Make sure you follow my reviews in the General forum here, I continuously review a lot of titles and my verdicts are pretty reliable
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I second that!
There are also snes, nes, genesis, mame emulators available. So far I've gotten mame, nes, snes to run perfectly. I also tried that PS emulator the other day. I managed to run Final Fantasy Tactics at around 25-30FPS with slowdown at cutscenes.
where do i get these stuff daemonk?thank you vijay and athuaqueaxmed!
The modaco.com smartphone gaming forums has links to the various emulators. You have to find the BIOs and ROM files yourself though becuase they are illegal to distribute and have if you don't already own the game.
http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showforum=38
I used:
Final Burn for MAME
PocketSNES for SNES
FPSEce for PS1
PocketNester for NES
The default settings pretty much works. Some minor tweaks with display settings might be needed for portrait/landscape mode. Also button layouts has to be reprogrammed.
To get the MAME Final Burn emulator to work on some games, you also have to increase the memory cache in the registry under hklm/system/storage manager/filters/fsreplxfilt/ReplStoreCache and hklm/system/storage manager/FATS/CacheSize to 32768. Warning though, changing your cache size will lower your availble RAM to like 10-15mb.
The PocketSNES emulator will only display landscape right mode. So you'll have to flip your hermes the other way with the slide out keyboard on top and customize your buttons accordingly. I actually found it to be more comfortable than playing with the keyboard on the bottom.
I don't recommend playing heavy action/multiple button pressing games on the hermes because I don't think the keyboard was really made to be pressed that heavily. Thats why I deleted my MAME emulator and games. But RPGs like the Final Fantasy Series or other old Squaresoft games (replaying chrono trigger right now) run prefectly on the hermes. The save state feature present on all those emulators lets you save whenever so it really works well as a mobile gaming device.
So far I've found hermes really good for these emulators because of that slide our keyboard. The keyboard unlike many other phones actually register more than one button press at the same time, so I can press down and left directions at the same time and go diagonal.
The only issue is what happens when a call comes in while you are playing. On the Final Burn emulator, your phone will probably crash. On the other emulators, you'll be able to take the call, but the emulator will crash after you are done talking, losing your game progress.
Thanks for the info. I see your point about the keys.
daemonk said:
The PocketSNES emulator will only display landscape right mode. So you'll have to flip your hermes the other way with the slide out keyboard on top and customize your buttons accordingly. I actually found it to be more comfortable than playing with the keyboard on the bottom.
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Use n0p's port instead. Read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306444
another good freeware site
http://freecabs.org - has freeware pocket pc downloads
It's the game emulator from www.spicypixel.com . I think the Advantage in landscape with the joystick might be a good NES emulator. Especially in full screen. Anyone doing this?
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If you haven't tried it(assuming it works) you really should. Sweet little emulator. And on that screen I would imagine it would be really cool. Except there is only 1 button on the right no? Or is there some type of viewflo "button"?
i have used it for nes and here is the deal:
1. the screen size is 320x240 and you can't stretch it to 640x480 or it won't run right
2. you can't use sound cause it freezes sporadically
other than that it works great. I should also mention that i have only used morphgear on "the legend of zelda" so other games could yield different results
OH! also i use the keyboard to play on not the joystick
Hello peeps , as per title really, has anyone got a gameboy advance / gamegear / SNES emulator going with the keyboard they'd reccomend ?
I use PockeGnuboy like you mention, can configure it to play in lanscape and then configure buttons to the keyboard. Have fun.
Genesis emulators (GenPP/Pico) seem to think that all the keyboard keys are the same. Any way of fixing this?
Search for KforTP it changes the settings without a soft reset back and forth. Works perfectly for me using Smartgear all the hw kb keys can be mapped.
dahoarty said:
Search for KforTP it changes the settings without a soft reset back and forth. Works perfectly for me using Smartgear all the hw kb keys can be mapped.
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KforTP is not needed for smartgear (or morphgear for that matter).
It's USEFUL for Morphgear. You don't have to do the ctrl+key trick if you use it.
Morphgear seems to be one of the better emulators for TP2. I've played through Metroid Fusion, Chrono Trigger, and Breath of Fire 2 in the 10 days I've had this sexy phone. The sound works for everything but the GBA, but slightly lags in the SNES.
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It's USEFUL for Morphgear. You don't have to do the ctrl+key trick if you use it.
Morphgear seems to be one of the better emulators for TP2. I've played through Metroid Fusion, Chrono Trigger, and Breath of Fire 2 in the 10 days I've had this sexy phone. The sound works for everything but the GBA, but slightly lags in the SNES.
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how is it at ALL useful for MorphGear??
you do NOT need to install this on your device to get the keyboard to work with morphgear. i dont have it installed on my TP2 and MorphGear works perfectly with my keyboard.
Anyone had any luck with emulation for the TP2? I knew this thing didn't have a D-Pad so... portrait mode is out of question. Now landscape should work but doesn't... at least in full screen(1/6 of the screen to be exact!). The only ones that worked somewhat were Morph Gear (shows 1/6 of the full screen in landscape mode) and Pocket Nester (only portrait works but doesn't rotate when opening keyboard (YES, I tried pocket nester plus also and checked landscape with no avail). I have to admit something... I've been away from WM for a year now and have grow fond of Android. The app store is nice and everything is compatible. WM MAIN PROBLEM is most dev. have left for Apple/Android/Palm...(jk! about Palm, lol) and/or haven't updated their programs in 2 years. Plus, having 8 different common screen size resolutions doesn't help much either. Emulation (albeit, sounds silly) is (or should be) big part of my pda's functionality. The screen isn't as responsive as I had hoped for a smartphone without a d-pad/trackball either. Android/iphone's touch screen is super responsive and I figured WM would be better is they had added the newer capacitive type of touchscreen. I'm really thinking of returning this phone. For $300, it should have been a lot better. I bet developers will come back when WM6.5 comes around with the marketplace and all. But who knows... Before you all start flaming, please remember I've been here for several years and am just a little frustrated after hours of trying to figure out what works and what doesn't with my old programs. Also, if anyone finds a solution for better emulators, PLEASE feel free to post something. I will do the same as soon as I regain my composer and get some sleep. I really hate to completely abandon WM and would like to find a solution. The TP2 really has a lot of good points but I'm sure most know what they are and what are some of it's shortcoming (which are aggravating me right now). It is pretty new and will sure to have a lot more folks working behind this sub-forum section soon enough. It is a pretty damn cool phone... just pissing me off right now. Please make a comment or suggestion below.
Good night!
I believe Morph Gear WILL work out as a good all-around emulator. As resting my mind somewhat, I realized there is an option to stretch rom image to full screen in the individual emulator console settings (example: SNES console). Combined with the k for Raphael app., landscape mode WILL work. And about the touch screen and D-pad, more force on the touch screen DOES help for better responsiveness for use without the stylus. The D-pad is somewhat made up for with the zoom bar (which sometimes zooms or scrolls (depends on what app you're using). Since I have answered my own questions (without any help from you all! ), let this be a lesson to all newbies... even old folks (members, I should say) make mistakes. I think I'll keep the TP2 (major dilemma avoided) but WM should take a lesson from apple/android and get capacitive screens!
I guess we'll have to wait on WM7 for that though
I had the same problem with Pocket Nester. I actually had to revise my comment. This is basically a bump.
I have the (telus) TP2 and have got morph gear working if you have a ctrl key there is and easier way but to get it working on my phone i downloaded KforTouchPro and morphgear start KforTP and hit switch to M$ IME then minimize then slide out my keyboard and open morphgear (i have found sliding after causes plroblems) and then im free to play (however another issue if i touch the landscape Right side of the screen if gets all screwed up but if i touch the landscape Left side of the screen it goes full screen.
If you really wanna go portrait this MIGHT work http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/bt_gamepad.jpg
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I had the same problem with Pocket Nester. I actually had to revise my comment. This is basically a bump.
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I got pocket nester plus to work along with k for raphael. The up down left right arrows are backwards so it'll take a second to figure it out.
On my Wing, Pocket nester would work in landscape mode when I turned GAPI off in the graphics settings. haven't tried on the TP2 yet. The lack of a dpad is a game killer.
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On my Wing, Pocket nester would work in landscape mode when I turned GAPI off in the graphics settings. haven't tried on the TP2 yet. The lack of a dpad is a game killer.
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yeah, it takes some getting used to, for sure... I had PLENTY of practice with my good old HTC Dream (which has a trackball) but actually once you get used to the arrows and keys on the landscape physical keyboard, your gameplay improves. Mainly, becasue there is more room for your fingers. I used to use my HTC Wizard with the D-pad and it was great but some games were hard to play with the dpad and two hardware softkeys. BOY, that was a great phone! It had so many keys to map for portrait mode (5 plus the dpad! Another small flaw with the TP2. only volume keys and a back button are mappable. I'm sure we'll get the speaker/mute button working on the back soon enough. well, a bad strom is here and I am afraid for my pc's life... so I must go! lol... I hope my surge protector works well. **** it, I'm pulling the plug...
I use Morph Gear for my emulation. Although it slower then other programs it's still playable. I can use the keyboard for playing and can stretch the screen so It looks pretty good especially with the image smoothing on.
One thing I do recommend is FPSeCE this is a playstation emulator. You can search around google for version 9.6 it works great in landscape. The framerate is a bit slow on some games but most are playable. FFVII puts out around 30-40 frames for me with sound off and keyboard works great. Just make sure you have the GFX set to GAPI, Landscape right, and that you start the program with the keyboard open. If you do that you won't need the WVGA fix to use it.
I'm really curious if it might be possible to use a bluetooth controller... I would totally rock a BT modded SNES with my TP2... ::dreams::
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On my Wing, Pocket nester would work in landscape mode when I turned GAPI off in the graphics settings. haven't tried on the TP2 yet. The lack of a dpad is a game killer.
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i just cant for the life of me figure out why people still use these poorly written old fasioned emulators when SmartGear exists!!
http://www.bitbanksoftware.com/private/smartgear.zip
full screen in landscape on my tp2 with FULL keyboard mapping support.
NES, TG16, GG, Gen, SMS, GB, GBC
tgwaste said:
i just cant for the life of me figure out why people still use these poorly written old fasioned emulators when SmartGear exists!!
http://www.bitbanksoftware.com/private/smartgear.zip
full screen in landscape on my tp2 with FULL keyboard mapping support.
NES, TG16, GG, Gen, SMS, GB, GBC
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Never heard of smartgear. That's why I still used those old fashioned emulators. Unfortunately even the best software can't give the TP2 a dpad.
Thanks for the heads up. Ill give this a whirl.
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Never heard of smartgear. That's why I still used those old fashioned emulators. Unfortunately even the best software can't give the TP2 a dpad.
Thanks for the heads up. Ill give this a whirl.
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W A S Z work just fine as a dpad. then I O K L for X Y A B
tgwaste said:
i just cant for the life of me figure out why people still use these poorly written old fasioned emulators when SmartGear exists!!
http://www.bitbanksoftware.com/private/smartgear.zip
full screen in landscape on my tp2 with FULL keyboard mapping support.
NES, TG16, GG, Gen, SMS, GB, GBC
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Tried Smartgear and its good!
Now it needs SNES and GBA support
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Tried Smartgear and its good!
Now it needs SNES and GBA support
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ya, thats the only thing lacking.
feel free to let the author know you would like him to finish SNES:
http://www.modaco.com/content-page/...o-gameboy-emulator-for-sp-beta-test/page/940/
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Never heard of smartgear. That's why I still used those old fashioned emulators. Unfortunately even the best software can't give the TP2 a dpad.
Thanks for the heads up. Ill give this a whirl.
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The days of the dpad are over unfortunately. Android ( G1-Magic) devs are now making touchscreen virtual dpads that work great for their emulators.
Hopefully we will see those soon here. They have some really nice emulators already.
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W A S Z work just fine as a dpad.
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Maybe for you, but not for me. I play games where pressing diagonal directions is important. That doesn't work out so well when using a keyboard. Smartgear doesn't emulate the sound correctly on my favorite game, Bases Loaded. It's still a pretty good emulator though.
kable said:
The days of the dpad are over unfortunately. Android ( G1-Magic) devs are now making touchscreen virtual dpads that work great for their emulators.
Hopefully we will see those soon here. They have some really nice emulators already.
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Without a multi-touch screen, I think screen controls are a non-starter. Lack of tactile feedback is also a bummer.
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Maybe for you, but not for me. I play games where pressing diagonal directions is important. That doesn't work out so well when using a keyboard. Smartgear doesn't emulate the sound correctly on my favorite game, Bases Loaded. It's still a pretty good emulator though.
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the phone doesnt support multitouch though, so onscreen controls are going to be much worse than using WASZ
tgwaste said:
the phone doesnt support multitouch though, so onscreen controls are going to be much worse than using WASZ
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Check this out!
If I can get this to work, I'll be in business!
After the Dream
After seeing the amazing emulators for the G1/Dream (especially the gba emu) I am somewhat disappointed that the winmo emulators that are out are really no where near as good as whats running on android. My theory is that android has proper support for the graphics chip on board and this is just one more reason I think android running on a TP2 would open up so much potential for the TP2's hardware. But hey if someone could get an emulator running at full speed at the 800x480 resolution that would rock. I would even take 640x480 with black borders if it had good frame rates. Imagine running the tv-out and having your own console emulator. I really hope that the marketplace will open up doors for more support for these kinds of things like it did for android. My G1 has been out for a year next month and boy has it come a long way. Winmo has had a huge headstart which I think will help jumpstart the market.