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Photo got worse after upgrading "Photo Enhancement ROM

Anybody experienced this problem? I need help! When I first got the XDA II MINI, the 1.3 mp pictures are quite ok considering a phone cam. After upgrading the camera ROM upgrade from seeo2.com, the 1.3 mp pictures got many obvious white spots, but the rest pixels pictures are fine...very weird !

Very strong sharpening might result in white pixels at edges. Thats an artifact of (too strong) sharpening and can be avoided by less strong sharpening.
Try a lower value at your sharpness setting.

Re: Photo got worse after upgrading "Photo Enhancement
Eiso said:
Anybody experienced this problem? I need help! When I first got the XDA II MINI, the 1.3 mp pictures are quite ok considering a phone cam. After upgrading the camera ROM upgrade from seeo2.com, the 1.3 mp pictures got many obvious white spots, but the rest pixels pictures are fine...very weird !
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Please, encloses this upgrade of the camera ROM , therefore we can try it all is to observe the defects.
Thanks

I believe it is in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=14964
One of the advantages, if people start the same thread in different forums

goodghost said:
Very strong sharpening might result in white pixels at edges. Thats an artifact of (too strong) sharpening and can be avoided by less strong sharpening.
Try a lower value at your sharpness setting.
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Very good tip for me...changing the sharpness. Isnt it ironic that O2 actually made this ROM to enhance the sharpness, but when sharpness is enhanced to a new level at a capibility to "Sharpness value=15", the white spots is caused by it? Anyways, you saved me from flashing the original rom...I have almost done that! thx again!

XDAII Mini
Is this camera patch applicable / usable to the XDAII Mini?

Yes the patch works on the XDAII mini as well. It's a cab file that you can isntall on any Magician.
I didn't like this patch at all. I found the quality to be much worse after installing the upgrade, especially in night mode. Decreasing the sharpness to 5 still doesn't give the same quality as before.
When I get mine back from repair (broken external speaker :-( ), I will certainly NOT install the patch!

O2 XDA Exec - Camera Quality

Guys.. I love my Exec, but one facility that seems to be very low quality is the camera. If I hold the Exec next to my SPV M2000 and compare the look of the viewfinder image on the screen, the SPV looks so much better ... is this normal, or is there something wrong with the cam?
I'd appreciate your toughts

compare actual pictures, this spun me out, but after actually taking pictures, and comparing them on a pc, the exec is actually quite good, for 1.3m the viewfinder dosent do the pics justice at all
and the panoramic option is wicked, here's an example of a 3 picture panoramic

Carnivor: isn't that the first level of Quake? I'm sure if you pan down a bit there's some lava and platform jumps
Looks good - I've never used my Universal's camera (well, other than the flash!). Will have to give it a go.
V

Thanks Carnivor
Thats good advice... I'll give it a go... and the pic of the church is very impressive.
(and good luck with the wedding!)

Me and the missus were playing around with the Panorama option on my Exec last night (well, I ama big lad :wink and I must say it's rather good.

What Really Grinds My Gears is, the time it takes from pressing the button till camera taking the image!! always a couple of seconds!! ANY IDEAS? Thanks.

not sure if i have done something right or wrong, or wrong that might be good, but my camera seems absolutley fantastic on my exec, it has a 1.3 megapixel camera, but in the settings i have
large 640x480
1m 1280x1024
2m 1600x1280
does this mean i have 2mp camera, or just 1mp camera that pretends its 2mp :?

JASJAR IMEI Range
Dear All,
Can someone give me the IMEI range for the IMate Jasjar? I have just bought one and when I tried to register it the IMate site says the number was not valid. I then contacted support and they said the same thing.
I had the same problem reistering my PDA2k with Imate.
Thanks in advance.
Hugh

I've used my camera on several occasions. Sometimes, it's ok, sometimes, the quality just makes me shake my head. What's the best camera settings? Any advice?
thanks!
p.s. joey, on the 2m thing. I read somewhere that it's just 2m extrapolated resolution... i suppose that means it's not real...
copied this from Earner's forum:
it's not true megapixels. I mean, the extra pixels aren't data, they are extrapolated.
Say you have pixels like this
█████
The hack would ASSUME there is a natural blend in there and then extrapilate accordingly. ie:
█████
This "extra" pixel isn't recorded data, but it appears that your camera is a higher megapixel.

i have a dud CMOS sensor in my external camera :'-(
lots of dead pixels on the saved image
i don't use it much so i don't care

Is the cam so bad?

Im dont know, every where I read, thay say that the cam is s..., and it takes 5 secs. from when I press till it takes the picture.
Is that right?

Stick with the Diamond, much better IMO. Only advantages of a HD is the bigger screen and more RAM, but I think the Diamond is much more useable.
To answer your question, that appears to be the case for me, yes.

"Only" the screen is a pretty major advantage, it's almost double the size. The Diamond isn't seriously usable for web browsing - the HD is. Ditto for video.

ChrisB said:
Im dont know, every where I read, thay say that the cam is s..., and it takes 5 secs. from when I press till it takes the picture.
Is that right?
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That's rubbish and completely untrue. I find the camera to be quite excellent and picture quality very good in fact.
I don't blame you though for getting that impression. Before I got my own unit, I also had that false impression from reading all the complaints on this forum. But after getting my own HD, I'm really happy with it. This is despite not having flash.

eaglesteve said:
That's rubbish and completely untrue. I find the camera to be quite excellent and picture quality very good in fact.
I don't blame you though for getting that impression. Before I got my own unit, I also had that false impression from reading all the complaints on this forum. But after getting my own HD, I'm really happy with it. This is despite not having flash.
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Exactly the HTC Touch HD is a great phone. Some people reading forum like this think they get a good sampling of what people using the phone think about it. That is not true since it is mostly the maybe 1% that have troubles of some kind with their phone that write here. The rest of the people that are happy with their phone do not write about.
The only thing I can recommend for people considering buying the phone is to get the phone and try it out. You will most likely like it a lot.

Camera is not bad, but also not good. Don't buy it as a camphone.

I've got a nokia n82 and a touch hd.
If the cam is ****? Yeah, it is. Don't let people let you think different. I guess it's not worse than other htc-phones though, I haven't had one since the original touch (elf).
If it was daylight out here now (denmark, actually) I should have taken comparision shots for you, but it's not, and with the xenon flash on the n82 it is even more superior in this light.
That said, the touch hd is a fantastic device in every other aspect! I didn't buy it for the cam, and don't care about it's picture quality, since I've got my n82.

The camera is only suitable for taking pictures in well-lit area.
Forget about dark areas.
All in all I'm sufficiently pleased with it, as I did not expect anything great.

Hello
Yes the Cam is ****
very slow slow slow and it only does pictures in very light areas.
In the drak they are very dark - the missing flash is a desaster.
Do not buy the hd for taking pictures or videos
But also safe you monry on fu.. nokia modells

IMHO...
The quality of the photos that the Touch HD can take is far better than the three HTC devices I've used before. It's actually pretty good in my limited experience with it. However, the camera remains virtually unusable because of two things:
1 - the delay between tapping the screen and the photo taking the image while the camera fusses over the focussing and then thinks for a couple of seconds
2 - the lack of hardware button makes camera shake very hard to avoid
These two factors make it almost impossible to take a photo of a moving scene because of the unpredictability of the timing of the shot and the likelihood of camera shake.
Attached is a photo I've just taken in the low evening light that illustrates what should be a perfectly easy photo. I couldn't avoid camera shake even standing still and being ultra-careful. The exposure isn't bad though.

the cam is bad... only usable by normal daylight also video recording is very bad

well in normal daylight the cam is better than my n73. video is realy better...

Are there some tweaks or settings to speed up taking images? It's really slooooow...

TIP: Disable the "Auto Whiteness" in the camera.
I have spent the last 2 weeks playing with the camera and was very disappointed with low level lighting pictures at first, BUT! now I have ressolved this problem.
There is an option in the camera "Auto Whiteness", the sensor or software in the camera seems to be useless at judging lighting, so if you set this to manual and select the indoor lighting icon (looks like a light bulb) then the camera gives quite impressive low level lighting pictures.
Speed of the camera between pressing and taking a picture is about 3 seconds, not the worst shutter delay I have seen on a camera phone, but not the best. Hopefully HTC can address this with future software updates??

For me the main issue is the blurryness of virtually all pictures,
if its a picture of a person I have to ask them to be still, then I take a pic and then I have to ask them once more to be DEAD STILL.
Most people take stay still to mean don't walk off any where but with the Touch HD stay still means don't let one muscle move.
If you want a phone that takes decent picture then its not or you.
Its a multimedia phone (pics not included)

I have been playing with the HD for two days now, which meant finding all of the tweaks and then removing them until it works for me. The excellent tweak app (search for it here) recommends enabling the sport and burst modes of photo (works great) and then changing the maximum res to 3M (makes my phone crash!)
Anyway if you want to take really good SHAKE FREE pics the ONLY way is through the burst/sport options. The auto focus for the 'normal' cam is so crap that the shutter stays open forever. In sport or burst mode the camera has to ditch the refocus and just shoot - out of the 5 in sport or 30 in burst you will have two or 10 decent pictures. This was exactly the same on my old HTC P3900.
The video is still completely crap - although much improved if you shoot as for MMS.

If we're talking about very low light, even my Canon camera does not give good result. So I don't expect miracle from HD. Having said that, I have taken quite a lot of indoor shots with lights on and the result is not noticeably worst than what my Canon camera can deliver.
As for motion, I actually don't find any problem there. I have taken quite many shots with car moving towards and away from me and the sharpness is still there. No blurring at all.
I find vido recording to be really good.
The lack of hardware button is a non-issue for me. I find it very easy to just touch the screen, the try to hold it still for the process to be completed.
This is the best camera I've ever had in a phone, and I find myself using it quite a lot since getting my HD.

This is seriously the worst camera I've ever had in a phone. And the sad part is the auto focus which is way too slow and cannot be disabled. No other tweak will help really unless somebody will figure out how to set focus to infinity permanently.

Attached are photos taken with the HTC Touch HD at night in New York City last week:

YESSSSSS IT SUCKSSSSSSS!
Auto light balance is useless, shutter speed is miserably slow (not even for a still photo) , no flash , video is worthless. 5 MP not in full screen (in full screen it is 4MP) .
If you have kids and want to take a photo for them then please wait till thy sleep and start shooting , other wise you will be wasting only your time and battery .
It is even too bad in watching movies without setting hours and hours converting them!
I hope it is not a hardware issue and only software that can be updated later .
No cam-mobile , yes surf-mobile and nav-mobile.

Better Camera?

Hi guys. I was thinking about the camera of the ipaq 614c - it sucks. But is it the camera hardware or just the software. My gues is the software. I have tried Cool camera and the barcode recognition software Barcorama. It seems they both capture images from the camera and none of the blurry and distorted "effects" are present. The only problem is that Cool Camera doesn't work properly with the ipaq and the image is always rotated 90 degrees and shrinked
so it's no use for now. My question is : Is there a newer (and probably better) version of the Arc Soft camera software. As you know, they don't sell it as a separate piece of software - they sell it to manufactures to implement it into roms. I saw there are new versions that support image stabilization, smile detection and so on. Is there any phone that has that superior software and would it work with the ipaq camera.

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Hi guys. I was thinking about the camera of the ipaq 614c - it sucks. But is it the camera hardware or just the software. My gues is the software. I have tried Cool camera and the barcode recognition software Barcorama. It seems they both capture images from the camera and none of the blurry and distorted "effects" are present. The only problem is that Cool Camera doesn't work properly with the ipaq and the image is always rotated 90 degrees and shrinked
so it's no use for now. My question is : Is there a newer (and probably better) version of the Arc Soft camera software. As you know, they don't sell it as a separate piece of software - they sell it to manufactures to implement it into roms. I saw there are new versions that support image stabilization, smile detection and so on. Is there any phone that has that superior software and would it work with the ipaq camera.
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Nope, it's the hardware that sucks. No matter what soft u throw at it, u won't get better images. It's the lens that's in no relation with the CMOS-chip
Dirk

Are you sure
Yes, technically speaking, this is what causes most of the cameras to suck.
Lens aberation and so on. BUT.
I have some experience in photography and physics and the things i see here are not due to the lens (at least not only)
If you have noticed that some of the images get distorted in a strange way (something like a photoshop filter "twirl") - that's not the lens, as it happens only from time to time on some photos. I must say that blutty and coloured images on the edges are probably because of the lens, but the other things are due to poor software. I have taken images with still hands and they sometimes come out very well. But when you move even a little - the photo is blurry as hell.
So, if someone has an idea of an alternative camera App that might work, i'm willing to help with whatever I can - say can we make Cool camera work on the ipaq, or some other camera application extracted from another phone.

axlastro said:
Yes, technically speaking, this is what causes most of the cameras to suck.
Lens aberation and so on. BUT.
I have some experience in photography and physics and the things i see here are not due to the lens (at least not only)
If you have noticed that some of the images get distorted in a strange way (something like a photoshop filter "twirl") - that's not the lens, as it happens only from time to time on some photos. I must say that blutty and coloured images on the edges are probably because of the lens, but the other things are due to poor software. I have taken images with still hands and they sometimes come out very well. But when you move even a little - the photo is blurry as hell.
So, if someone has an idea of an alternative camera App that might work, i'm willing to help with whatever I can - say can we make Cool camera work on the ipaq, or some other camera application extracted from another phone.
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Hi,
Yes, i'm sure ... As u say urself, even moving a little makes the pic blurry. In fact it's almost impossible to have a 'rocksteady' hand, cos of the relative high power u need to press the button. And again ; the lens is much to close on the chip and much to sharply bent to give good images. Just take a pic and look at it. U'll see that the sides are showing almost everything on the left or right from u. Looks like HP built a combined 28-35mm lens on 4mm²...
It's even better viewable when u take panoramapics ... then u get a kind of 'ondulated' result.
The only real solution would be : removing the lens and put something more apropriate in....
Dirk

Well that's an argument I wouldn't disagree with. I have noticed that "fish eye" effect in panoramic shots and the built-it blur effect on the edges of the image.
That's it - the camera is on par with an old 1.3Mpx siemens M75 and a lot suckier than the fixed focus cameras in samsung i600 and motorola Q9. Can't they learn it's not about the megapixels. Oh wait, they know it, but your average custumer doesn't. Whatever. Hp - never again dor a lot more reasons than the camera, which i actually don't use that much, but still...

axlastro said:
Well that's an argument I wouldn't disagree with. I have noticed that "fish eye" effect in panoramic shots and the built-it blur effect on the edges of the image.
That's it - the camera is on par with an old 1.3Mpx siemens M75 and a lot suckier than the fixed focus cameras in samsung i600 and motorola Q9. Can't they learn it's not about the megapixels. Oh wait, they know it, but your average custumer doesn't. Whatever. Hp - never again dor a lot more reasons than the camera, which i actually don't use that much, but still...
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Right, you got it Even more surprising is the fact that HP has the techno for building decent pictureboxes (i have one ), but it seems impossible to use that technology to put a decent cam in a phone. Might be cos of the size ? The smaller you have it, the worse gets the pics... bottomline : phones are not pictureboxes, and will never be.
Dirk

Speaking of the camera i have only 1 question ( dumb ) ...how do you zoom ? Haven't found this option !

you can only zoom when you are not in max resolution (3M), change to lower and you can zoom, the zoom slider is on the left side and you can use keypad (6 & 4) to control too

Maybe i'm missing basic photo knowledge but, the bigger the resolution ,smaller the zoom ?

at least that's how the ipaq work, i have no idea about the reason but then you don't really expect it can zoom much since then lens can't really move much like a real camera anyway

keyx said:
at least that's how the ipaq work, i have no idea about the reason but then you don't really expect it can zoom much since then lens can't really move much like a real camera anyway
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Hi,
It's an electonic zoom, nothing to do with the lens. If you want to 'zoom' the software uses an alogorithm to recalculate the picture and display the 'center' part of it as larger (zoomed). Gives nice distortions too
Dirk

as I definitely won't use my camera, do you know a program that can use the led of the camera as a flash light and that works on 614C ?
I tried nuelight and torchbutton but none of them work on this device ...

[Details] Htc touch viva camera performance

Here is my observation on our htc touch viva camera.
Megapixels: 2
But still i found the camera is worst than a 1.3mp! hey but wait thats when i have less light say if i capture a image on dark place. But iam really amazed when i take a pic outside with full light it gives so beautiful picture just you can show to your freinds your gallery. Picture taken outside really looks good than any other phone (similar phones)
I would like to hear your opinion Please actively participate on this thread its your viva forum And plz vote
I always wondered why this happens, then i found a small piece of info which solves this mystery (may be)
There are some types of camera sensors one of them is CCD sensor which will give a noisy image on low light and most probably our viva has CCD sensor.
But there is another type of sensor called CMOS sensor which produces smoother, less noisy picture which is present in iphone (lol the dumb phone) lets take a good example than iphone that is our htc's hd2 it has CMOS sensor. So i hope this solves this little mystery of noisy image on low light.

yes
i also think the same but video sucks

the Opal's camera sucks... that's why i don't use it.

I think that OPALs camera is better than nothing! Outdoor and landshaft photos are really fine becouse it's use smooth function. If it will be posibl to disable this function meybe photos be more sharper!

i always adjust it to 1 megapixels, but the quanlity is better than 2 mega, sounds funny.

hey
we can make htc camera more responsive if the framerates in the video is changed.........our camera is limited due to cpu clock but i guess everyone overclocks it ...so there has to be a way to improve video