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XDA2i Camera worse than XDAII?

Even though the XDAIIi cam is 1.3mp the images it produces are awfull!
The upgrade from 0.3mp to 1.3mp is a big selling point for this device, and some people are making the upgrade based on this alone!
Ive taken a couple of pics for you guys to compare.
Any confirmations or comments are welcome!

25 views and not a single comment?
Why aren't you guys more talkative?

RE
OK bro!
From the 3 photos posted the one by XDA II is definitely the best.
Have you make sure the XDA IIi got its best setting for the resolution concerned like its ambience, contrast, saturation, gamma and sharpness?
I would like to upgarde to IIi if its available in my country but now I have second thought after seeing its camera capability. I hope when it's release it would have the camera issue resolved.

Well, it looks worse but it may just be your brightness, contrast, etc..
Hey, BTW, when did XDAII start taking photos at 480x960? Mine can only do 480X640 no matter how I tweak the settings... Did I miss something?

dewild1 said:
Well, it looks worse but it may just be your brightness, contrast, etc..
Hey, BTW, when did XDAII start taking photos at 480x960? Mine can only do 480X640 no matter how I tweak the settings... Did I miss something?
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Well spotted!
No, that was my mistake it was only 480x640.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I have tinkered with the settings somewhat, I tried to match them before taking the shots and have tinkered with the XDAIIi settings alone to try and improve it aswell, however no luck.
There is a 'night' settings on the IIi although it makes the pics even worse, and has white flecks all over the image!
It's such a shame, WM2003 SE is great! Integrated WiFi is awesome!
This cam really lets it down though.

I've finally made my decision:
Mines going back. It just doesn't cut it.
So then, how long before the next WM device from O2?
And what can we expect?

upgrade the ROM and see~
Have U ungrade ur ROm to i-mate's latest ROm? I realize that the camera's "nightmode" indeed remove those white flecks. But I admit my xdaII's camera (WM2003SE download from xda-developer) is nicer than the original PDA2's camera
On my PDA2,I reckon the resolution is much higher; it's hard to tell on computer screen but once U magifiy it (ZOOM in) then U will find L is L (640x480) and why we need XL 1024x640
The next concern: anyone know any patch or .cab to improve the camera spec in order to get better quality of pic? cheers~

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The quality very depends on the settings and adjustments. I took 5 pics(3 indoor,2 outdoor)with my Himalaya(VGA Cam). There are too many differences which causes the adjustments. Take a look...

O2 XDA Exec - Camera Quality

Guys.. I love my Exec, but one facility that seems to be very low quality is the camera. If I hold the Exec next to my SPV M2000 and compare the look of the viewfinder image on the screen, the SPV looks so much better ... is this normal, or is there something wrong with the cam?
I'd appreciate your toughts

compare actual pictures, this spun me out, but after actually taking pictures, and comparing them on a pc, the exec is actually quite good, for 1.3m the viewfinder dosent do the pics justice at all
and the panoramic option is wicked, here's an example of a 3 picture panoramic

Carnivor: isn't that the first level of Quake? I'm sure if you pan down a bit there's some lava and platform jumps
Looks good - I've never used my Universal's camera (well, other than the flash!). Will have to give it a go.
V

Thanks Carnivor
Thats good advice... I'll give it a go... and the pic of the church is very impressive.
(and good luck with the wedding!)

Me and the missus were playing around with the Panorama option on my Exec last night (well, I ama big lad :wink and I must say it's rather good.

What Really Grinds My Gears is, the time it takes from pressing the button till camera taking the image!! always a couple of seconds!! ANY IDEAS? Thanks.

not sure if i have done something right or wrong, or wrong that might be good, but my camera seems absolutley fantastic on my exec, it has a 1.3 megapixel camera, but in the settings i have
large 640x480
1m 1280x1024
2m 1600x1280
does this mean i have 2mp camera, or just 1mp camera that pretends its 2mp :?

JASJAR IMEI Range
Dear All,
Can someone give me the IMEI range for the IMate Jasjar? I have just bought one and when I tried to register it the IMate site says the number was not valid. I then contacted support and they said the same thing.
I had the same problem reistering my PDA2k with Imate.
Thanks in advance.
Hugh

I've used my camera on several occasions. Sometimes, it's ok, sometimes, the quality just makes me shake my head. What's the best camera settings? Any advice?
thanks!
p.s. joey, on the 2m thing. I read somewhere that it's just 2m extrapolated resolution... i suppose that means it's not real...
copied this from Earner's forum:
it's not true megapixels. I mean, the extra pixels aren't data, they are extrapolated.
Say you have pixels like this
█████
The hack would ASSUME there is a natural blend in there and then extrapilate accordingly. ie:
█████
This "extra" pixel isn't recorded data, but it appears that your camera is a higher megapixel.

i have a dud CMOS sensor in my external camera :'-(
lots of dead pixels on the saved image
i don't use it much so i don't care

camera flash, change it to one since hotfix?

I'm sure like me, many people here have installed the camera hotfix by now. is anyone else's flash super bright now after the second flash? taking pictures in the dark is near impossible now. all I get is a white blob of what should be the person I'm taking a picture of lol...

Yes mine is now super bright Ive not been able to tome it down yet

This problem has been discussed before on this forum (try searching for it) and has been a problem even before the hotfix. Looks like HTC will need to come out with a second hotfix.

Well, for me the hotfix worked realy well, and the flash now is better then ever.

RRibeiro said:
Well, for me the hotfix worked realy well, and the flash now is better then ever.
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Try to take a picture of something close to you. Or in a dark environment, take a picture of a person sitting right across the table from you.

Yes, using flash on close-in objects is useless. All you get is a bright picture. This ain't good.

Here is a picture I just made with my HD2.
It was takem 20cm away with flash on.
EDIT: Sorry, my mistake. Now it's the photo with flash.

RRibeiro
Is that picture with the lights on or off?
Problem happens with flash on in dark environments.

Still it's not a good picture. Look at the bottom of the picture, not good. There's room for improvement IMO.

Not just in dark environments, see attached pictures of HTC Official Online Store discount card (for scale, it's about the size of a credit card) taken at my office (with rather bright ambient light).

I installed the hotfix and I'm loving the camera now. Better color, better overall image. And the strange hue is gone. Also tested the flash, it's not the best flash ever of course, but coming from a no-flash at all (HD), I'm satisfied enough. It does the job fine.

try taking a photo of yourself at arms length
you'll be blind for a bit, plus the photo will be way too bright

totally agree...the hot-fix has now ruined all close up flash photographs as it just burns out to a bright white blob. Very poor.
(and in doing so they only managed to reduce, not eliminate the pink blob without the flash)

double post due to Bad Gateway...

I don't see anything that was "ruined" by the hotfix, it was the same without it.

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Working for me.

Fixed the bright flash issue... i just dont know how??
If this is a little late and the issue has already been addressed, then my apologies.
Anyway, Yesterday, i was becoming very annoyed with the sudden increase in flash power since the pink blob hotfix, so i started looking at what the problem might be.
Firstly it appeared that the problem was that the timing was slightly wrong with regards to the exposure. So i looked through all the settings and started switching features on and off in the hope that there might be an action that delayed the exposure long enough to get a good reading.
Basically this became boring very quickly as i was not getting any change in the result but while my attention lagged in the task, i must have made the essential change.
Now the flash works exactly as it did before the Hotfix!
Now the question is: who else still has this problem and would you be willing to try adjusting all the settings to achieve the same result... but this time with more attention to detail than i had.
As far as i can remember the setting i had adjusted were Shutter sound "ON" and wide-screen "ON", then went back and turned them off again.
Its a long shot, but something made it work.

For me, the flash is still too much bright. I have to disable it. And the HTC update didn't solve the pink blur at all. And i don't talk about the JPEG compression which is awful.
Well this camera is just a disaster ...

Lucius Snow said:
For me, the flash is still too much bright. I have to disable it. And the HTC update didn't solve the pink blur at all. And i don't talk about the JPEG compression which is awful.
Well this camera is just a disaster ...
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Agree about the flash power... only way for a hotfix to address that issue would be to decrease the duration of the flash when it fires.
Disagree about the camera being a disaster overall... with the hotfix and the settings tweaked (contrast +4, sat +3, sharpness +4), the HD2 camera takes pics that are pretty-much identical in overall quality to my Nokia N95 8GB.

ian_uk1975 said:
Agree about the flash power... only way for a hotfix to address that issue would be to decrease the duration of the flash when it fires.
Disagree about the camera being a disaster overall... with the hotfix and the settings tweaked (contrast +4, sat +3, sharpness +4), the HD2 camera takes pics that are pretty-much identical in overall quality to my Nokia N95 8GB.
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Compared to my previous phones (Asus P525 and P750), the quality is very bad when you look the picture at 100% of the real size. All JPEG artefacts are hudge. I prefer a medium resolution and good JPEG compression than high resolution and bad JPEG compression.

camra problem

hi there is problem my imate jamin camra is very slow i spicialy in lights please help ,i cant capture moving objects in still camra or while shooting movies

I have the same problem,too. Is there any fix or optimizations available for this issue ?

No, there is no fix for that problem...
It's a matter of light and lens...
On this style of devices, pics are quite good on natural light (sun, or cloudy)
But in artificial light, there is a lack of a flash, and the pics looks blurry and with many chromatic errors...
(this is because of the tiny size of the lens...)
Remember that this is a phone... not a real camera !
I've made the choice : My phone for unexpected pics, and a real camera for 'good' pics !

Make overclock 195 to 210 mhz

Yololo,
I agree that it's better to use phone for calls, camera for photos. The sluggishness on S200 is unbearable when you want to a shoot a simple moment. The camera on my 5 years old phone isn't laggy, it's a moto v3x. Anyway, the lens on v3x is smaller than the one in qtek s200. So i think this is mostly a software issue than hardware.
And i believe there might a fix or patch for that.

I have the same problem to record videos but in ninght, in day the videos are more good .... i think like you, that are soft ajust or problems ....

Camera tips!

Hey everyone!
So i've used the Desire HD's camera for a bit, and I find it's got potential. I used to have a HD2...and remember there was a registry edit fix and also settings in the camera app that were published here on XDA to improve picture quality...well i've found out that pictures are a lot clearer and sharper when these settings are applied on the Desire HD:
Go into the Camera app...
Press the menu button on your desire hd...
Turn OFF auto-focus
in the Image adjustments sub-menu, turn sharpness all the way to 2...
Take pictures, and as a good example of comparison take a before and after picture.
In the after pic, tap on what you want in focus. The overall quality of the picture will be a lot clearer! There is also less noise and the object will be in focus, and pepper and grain effect is largely eliminated! Try it out and report back
Elemental_Fire
Update 1 (00:09-10/12/2010):
Thanks to the knowledge and sharing of fellow XDA members, I have determined that what seems to impact/affect images the most is the sharpness settings. Contrary to my settings, you can also go into Image adjustments in the camera app and turn off the sharpness setting fully. This is done by turning the sharpness circle dial all the way to -2. It seems that when set on default, the sharpness algorithm is ineffective at determining the level of sharpness that should be used. As a result, images are reproduced with unwanted image effects such as distinct grainyness, noise and also seemingly out-of-focus/blury pictures! So you can use either -2 for smooth pictures that are good quality, or +2 for sharper pictures that are good quality! At the end of the day, it depends on what you as the photographer prefer Haha i'm making this sound like the Desire HD is a professional camera...it's certainly more than suitable for quick snaps that won't comprise on good memorable photos in 8MP
Update 2 (00:51- 10/12/2010)
Uploaded sample pictures!

will give this a try in the morning!

Is that +2 I take it not -2? I'll check this out in morning
Sent from my Desire HD

Yep, plus 2

yup the pictures are much better!!
i just hated all tht noise and grainyness!
Thanks a lot!!!

I didnt really notice the difference, I think im just horrid at taking photos haha

they do look slightly better i think!

I haven't tried this yet myself but its nice that the hd remembers these settings after a power cycle - I expected all settings to revert to default.

That does not help any here.
I think the compression is just screwed up very badly, or we don't have anything like a 8MP sensor in our phones.
You can see that very easily if you photograph or film some intricate pattern like in snow, frost, test patterns (printed on paper) or such. It just smears and blurs the hell out of these photographs and no settings in the user interface will help against that.
Now, a sensor actually resolving 8 Megapixels, on the other hand, should be capable of resolving to about four 1920x1080 computer screens worth of distinct pixels. Unfortunately when I view the photographs on the screen, in actuality I still those see smears and other artifacts even when I zoom the image to about ~25% of the screen's. So... ~0.5 MP or less resolution in reality? Beh, fail.

Meh, it is an 8mp sensor...I just assume HTC don't implement and make use of the best available lens, sensor size and compression rate....but the camera isn't bad at all..i'll upload some pictures i've taken recently, they're quite defined! Certainly more clearer, sharper and yet containing less noise than my old HD2 gosh colours on that were washed out

sharpness plus 2 will increase the digital treatment which seems to remove more noise and add more sharpness, maybe a little better than the default semi sharpness which a mess
however the camera is indeed 8MP it is ridiculous to state otherwise!! turn off sharpness all the way to -2 and all this digital artifacts will be gone as well as fake sharpness, you will be able to get full 8MP camera quality without HTC mending with them, you can improve photos further by using the auto fix or high contrast from within the gallery
of course noise will be introduced depending on the available light and of course with sharpness -2 it will be a little soft since it receiving zero digital treatment, take it to any photo editing application and you can boost the sharpness properly
really i don't get all the random posts camera quality, i'm getting amazing results even managed to amaze my iphone 4 colleagues, the only part where HTC really failed is the default noise reduction/sharpness algorithm (Sharpness 0) its a real mess thankfully it can be turned off
i should make a detailed thread about the camera and be done with it

after using it a few times, im still sticking to my D700

I`m quite happy with the point and click results but for serious pics i use my ancient Canon EOS 500.

ofcourse it will never beat a DSLR! only the satio and the nokia n8 come close but those sucks in their own ways
its not a perfect camera, but damn better than everyone make it sound, and pretty amazing for a phone, everyone complaining including some reviewers didn't even bother to experiment with the basic settings
the best words i found for this camera are in the Engadget review particluary this line ( Noise-masking blur is distributed very well, in our opinion, works especially well if can content yourself with downsizing the images from the max 8 megapixel size), gsmarena kept complaining about the sharpness and never mentioned it can be turned off
oh and it wipes the floor with the iphone 4 camera
the only two issues in this phone are the lack of ips in the screen and the size for those who can't handle it and no the battery is fine

hamdir said:
ofcourse it will never beat a DSLR! only the satio and the nokia n8 come close but those sucks in their own ways
its not a perfect camera, but damn better than everyone make it sound, and pretty amazing for a phone, everyone complaining including some reviewers didn't even bother to experiment with the basic settings
the best words i found for this camera are in the Engadget review particluary this line ( Noise-masking blur is distributed very well, in our opinion, works especially well if can content yourself with downsizing the images from the max 8 megapixel size), gsmarena kept complaining about the sharpness and never mentioned it can be turned off
oh and it wipes the floor with the iphone 4 camera
the only two issues in this phone are the lack of ips in the screen and the size for those who can't handle it and no the battery is fine
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agreed 100% with your post. Although the lack of ips is no issue imo.

thank you, ips is only an issue when use the phone flat on your desk or sharing with others, its a slight issue when old desire slcd/amoled, iphone 3Gs and ipads have much better view angles
but yea its no biggie, its my first HTC device where i found no need to flash custom stuff

Makes very little difference for me. I have to wonder about anyone that says this is a great camera - what are you comparing it against and have you ever used a Nokia for instance with Carl Zeiss optics?

xspyda said:
Makes very little difference for me. I have to wonder about anyone that says this is a great camera - what are you comparing it against and have you ever used a Nokia for instance with Carl Zeiss optics?
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yes nokia n900 and the DHD is better
i will post my results soon in full resolution

Here is a pic i took of my cat earlier today. Open in new tab to see the full resolution.

hamdir said:
i should make a detailed thread about the camera and be done with it
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Please do!
I for one am interested to finetune my camera app!