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Hi guys,
SO glad tat I was able to find up this forum...I have a SE walkman series phone for the past 4 yrs and feel its time to change to some touch screen mobile. I have zilch knowledge abt smartphones and wat ever i know r based frm my 2 days of browsing this forum.
My issues are
1)Basically am not appl freak and want my phone to stand out from others..Does mini fit the bill..?that is I want a phone with touchscreen,decent cam, very good multimedia playback capacity,something sleek...and thats how I zeroed in on HTC Mini..
but after reading this forum., got 2 know tat not much appl's r developed for Mini becos of the screen size..(Is tat right..?)..
SO, after some point of time, after launch of Win 7 mob, will the case be like HTC Mini left alone..? I am investing close to 480$(Indian money) and want to find out that does HTC mini really have some shortcomings applications wise or is it enough for a normal user..?there r no smartphones among my friends...
2) we do not still have 3G networks here in India, but expected in 1-2 yrs..IS MINI WORTH SPENDING TAT AMOUNT (480$=24000 Indian rupees) wihtout 3G? Or can I go for low-end models like Nokia 5800 or HTC touch.. and jump the 3G ship wen it comes later?
Again, i am asking too many questions, but pls guide me...
THANKS..........
HD mini, regarding my point of view, a very nice device with a lot of preinstalled very nice apps.
The resolution is effectively a bit strange in Windows mobile environment, but it was the same and even worst when I purchased my Diamond with VGA screen.
Regarding applications, most of them work. Some qvga ones do not fit on the screen, it remains two black bands on top and bottom of the screen because of aspect ratio. But the applications, even a lot of high graphic games run well (secret of Da Vinci, return to mysterious island,...), even emulators such ScummVM.
I found a lot of chess games (majestic, Kasparov,..) they run really fine. I nevertheless had some difficult to find a good Sudoku, “Panoramic ultimate Sudoku” works very fine but it do not have problem solving mode.
In brief, screen resolution is not really an issue, but if you want to play some specific games such Play station emulator or other resource consuming games. In this case, HD2 should be a better choice.
You could also consider other OS such Android. For me there are not an option, because I live in a small town without 3G and downloading and syncing via phone line costs an arm and a leg. With winmo, I can natively upload all the things trough my PC, and it is just fine.
Each customer has different taste, that's why there are hundred of million of different phones out there. But from my personal point of view and for my needs, the Mini is just perfect for me.
Any other smartphone looks like a damn brick next to it, so yeah, it does stand out from others.
About the apps, I was worried about them, but for some reason all the apps I need work without a single problem in the Mini. iGo 8, MSS Converter, ClearTemp, Opera Mobile 10, Skype, Dictionary, TCPMP, Shazam Music, BSB Tweaks, JWMD IconChanger, PocketRAR, Midomi...
Personally I don't give a sh!t about Windows Phone 7, since it's gonna be more "phone like", while WM 6.5 is like having a small Pentium III in your pocket and that's why I like it.
Thanks a lot moscard and NitroNitrous. Positive comments do matter a lot for me..since its a one-time big "investment" for me.
I know its upto me to decide but just want to be well informed and do not want to be over excited.....also wat do you guys think abt the multimedia handling of the phone..does the processor seem dragged in case of heavy multimedia usage..? I would want to listen mp3's, check out tracks in radio and video songs..tat's it......
I do not think so, regarding my old Diamond, the HD mini is way ahead in performance. It is very responsive for all the daily tasks including photo, video, music, multi-media and so on. I use a Bluetooth headset and it connects almost immediately against the 10s used by my old Diamond.
Internet and remote desktop that I use often are simply wow. Do not worry about that. Some leaks, but nothing dramatic: Led flashing is less visible than on Diamond, there is no native voice tag for contacts, there is no native close or ok button especially for office applications. Nevertheless it is a lot nicer with real glass screen and crisp colours.
Another thing that annoying me a little bit regarding HD2, there is no electronic compass. This would be really usefull in hiking using navigators or google map.
I watch a movie almost every night in DVD quality and it handles it with no problem. Besides, with TCPMP player it can reproduce almost any video format. As for the music you just need a proper player like PocketPlayer 4, which is the one I use. It has everything you can ask for a music player. I have around 300 songs in the playlist and scrolling the list with the finger is always smooth.
There are some bad points also, but nothing new for someone who has used WM before and is not hard to get used to them.
I now view my HD2 as "An Android Phone That Also Boots Windows", because there are some daily driver Android builds that I think do a better job now than winmo, so maybe knowing what unsolvable Android issues are solved by windows will improve the Android experience and save hours of searching the Market. I would recommend someone buy an HD2 for Android, but keep these windows apps around as an "android add on pack" just to increase the 'cool factor.'
1.) Movie Maker: with TrakAx movie maker you can make and edit videos on your hd2 and add music photos etc, with cool transitions. It has limited fonts for captions, but it's a good movie maker. The app is fun to use 'only after' you watch TrakAx's tutorial video on their website where a cute English Gal shows you how easy it is.
2.) Movies/TV via your Orb Server that look great and have fast forward and rewind: Coreplayer on winmo is a great media player, with .mkv support, .avi and when used in combo with TCPMP player there are almost no formats that can't be played.
3.) TomTom, Navigon, Igo8, Route66 offline navigation apps: Maybe you want to have a 32gb sdcard and run all the different nav programs? Nav programs seem to be a matter of personal preference, so having ALL available options is something nice.
4.) Fast psx emulation with FPSeCe: If you love psx games watch some youtubes on how to set this up and where to get the good versions and skins of this, and the onscreen controls are multi-touch good if you watch the videos and research how to set it up.
5.) Opera Mini 5 (build 5.1.21594): INCREDIBLY smooth browsing: the inertial scrolling with this browser is so fluid, fast and natural - there is no jitter/chop/lag - the fps is very high. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486502
6.) Free Hamachi: I think you need to pay for logmein hamachi on the Market (worth it for sure) but there are free clients in WinMo that work very well. If you 'need' to save money here you go.
7.) Free Grooveshark downloading: I love Tiny Shark and MP3 downloader off the market, but in winmo a developer named 'SciLor' has made a great freeware grooveshark downloader called "SciLor's GrooveMobile Downloader." what's also great about this app is that winmo's media players and coreplayer can play the song 'when it begins downloading,' which means Coreplayers graphic equalizer can work that tune 5-10 seconds after you click 'download.'
8.) Torrent Downloading on the phone: I haven't yet found an android app that does what WMTorrent does. WMTorrent is a paid app and there is a new and older version that both have their strengths. Don't expect full speed on wifi or 3g like on a pc, but this app does the job.
9.) Super Tethering via 'ICS Control v0.21': freeware that allows cel->bluetooth pan .. cel -> wifi .. bluetooth->wifi .. wifi->bluetooth .. bluetooth->vpn .. vpn->hamachi .. openvpn->usb. Basically, any interface can be routed to any other interface and subnets and dhcp servers can be added.
10.) Mortscript: 'Tasker' and 'gscript' in Android could be considered better in many ways, but Mortscript was/is a powerful and accessible scripting program for a mobile OS to automate tasks, make apps do cool stuff, enable long-chains of opening apps cutting/pasting/into other apps etc. I turned my old q9h into a 'talking/listening star trek phone' with mortscript by combining 'vlingo's returned speech results' with 'textspeech pro's tts program,' i could verbally ask it to read wikipedia pages for me or read the first couple pages of a spoken google search - and my programming skill is almost zero.
11.) Microsoft Voice Command: it's not as robust as what Android offers, but I don't think there is an Android app that is so 'instantly accurate with basic phone functions,' but then again the list of what MSVC can do in 2 seconds is a little more than basic. Android will catch up in a month or two no doubt.
12.) RemoteTracker phone finder: Android has phone finder apps, but if you lose your phone there is a chance that the sdcard is gonna get wiped. There is also the chance that the the phone will get hard-reset too, but before that happens RemoteTracker freeware is solid.
13.) Run Windows 98se faster on Winmo's Qemu: Windows 98 Second Edition can run on the hd2 reasonably well now, and some devs on XDA recently have been more active in getting different flavors of it to run even better and progress looks set to continue. This requires the 'qemu' emulator for winmo and a backwards-reading of this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com
/showthread.php?t=637889&page=50 (I'm gonna try this right now)
14.) Gestures on any screen with any app: I installed LMT v0.8 onscreen multitouch gestures and I'm very impressed. By swiping left with 2 fingers I activate microsoft voice command, by swiping right with 2 fingers I launch TellMeExpertLauncher.exe and do bing searches (this takes less than 2 seconds from swipe to speak). These are just 14 of the customizable gestures that LMT can do, and it can do them on top of any app, even the camera or a movie, etc. This app also comes with a bonus "on screen game controller" that's multitouch and works great.
15.) Reverse-Bluetooth-Tethering: Lets say you want to pop your sim into another phone, but still have internet/voip on your hd2 via low power bluetooth tethering. Well, noone needs to do that really, but I actually do it a few days a week because I have an 'almost' dirty job where I use a very weather/work resistant q9h and I have it feed the hd2 internet through bluetooth when on break or in the truck.
THINGS MENTIONED IN THIS THREAD BY OTHER MEMBERS:
A.) Good E-Book Readers: like Alreader2, it's felt by some that all Android E-Book readers lack a certain something, though CoolReader comes close.
B.) Good Alarm Programs: like G-Alarm, some reviews praise it for having tons of alarms and features and varying snooze techniques like mazes or 'turning on a light' to activate the light sensor, and it's supposedly very easy to work all this stuff via a finger friendly today-screen plugin if you like.
C.) SPB Mobile Shell: a very elegant and nice UI for WinMo that sets a classic standard for many users.
D.) Office Mobile 2010: I myself have gone searching for office apps in the market a few times and I've been surprised that I DID NOT have immediate success finding good free office apps that were better than Office 2010. NOTE: Using 'BsB Tweaks' free app to add 'screen rotation' to excel and the other office apps might be a good idea.
E.) Cookies Home Tab Editor: HTC Sense on hd2 winmo is 'excellent,' but what takes it to a whole new level is Cookie's Home Tab Editor for making customizing your homescreen 'fun+productive.' When investing time choosing a good ROM to boot android, keeping CHT in mind might make HD2 a more enjoyable weapon of total annihilation.
F.) File encryption with FreeOTFEPDA: This is something I should be more proactive with, and on page 3 it's explained further, but my brother is 'security bent' and he is always upset at me for 'not encrypting my files.'
G.) rSAP Bluetooth Profile for VW/Audi Group Cars: Integrated bluetooth calling and contacts management in these cars requires what the HD2 has - rSAP Bluetooth Profile. Want your car to turn into your phone just by sitting in it? Also, some premium sound systems exist in these cars and I've read the connection to the HD2 is quite stable. (I had to read what rSAP is)
H.) Hide Your Caller ID Number To Strangers: someone brought up a good point that in winmo you can shield your caller ID from everyone except those in your contacts list. (I didn't know this)
I) Garmin XT: We all know Garmin - a clean running and reliable 'offline nav' app with maps that are always up to date. (I have this myself on an old q9h I keep in the glove compartment - shoulda remembered it earlier.)
What are other good things to know?
Igo8 works just fine in android.
I write in the spirit of love but I gotta take issue with some of your points:
1.) Movie Maker: Can't comment as I don't use, mainly as I'll always do this on a PC
2.) Movies/TV via your Orb Server: Thing is, I could never get this working easily on WinMo, but for me it works flawlessly on Android, using the default Web Browser to select the file, and then default video player or VPlayer to play.
3.) TomTom, Navigon, Igo8, Route66 offline navigation apps: Agree, I keep WinMo around purely for TomTom (and booting )
4.) Fast psx emulation with FPSeCe: Wow, PSX4Droid works so perfectly out of the box for me, and with RomBuddy I can even download the games direct to my Droid. I donated to FPSECE and followed it closesly and praised it, but the bugs and the constant controller set-up are WAY behind PSX4Droid. Give it a go (free version available, otherwise $3) if you haven't already.
5.) Opera Mobile 10 Final INCREDIBLY smooth browsing: Fair enough. Personally I've been happy with the default Android experience, as well as trying Opera, Dolphin and one or two others on Android.
6) I'll add e-book readers to your list: I was addicted to Alreader2 on WinMo, and all of the e-book readers on Android lack something (and I've tried them all). Either missing night-mode, or file compatibility, or saving restrictions, or just plain ugly when reading. Only CoolReader has come close (in fact, very close except for a couple of issues).
7) I also find myself trapped using HTC Sense on Android as I love it's email widgets, and can't find decent equivalents for other launchers.
... Oh, and I do miss Cookie's Home Tab. It is amazing software which could have been the saviour of WinMo if it had arrived two years earlier, and was built into official ROMs. Microsoft completely dropped the ball with UI and with AppMarkets.
pandollar said:
Igo8 works just fine in android.
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how did you manage to get it to work? I keep getting "Insert SD card with IGO8 files" or something like that thanks...
You are right about psx4droid, it is awesome. There are a few games I was addicted to back in the day, like Twisted Metal 2, and it runs at 60fps in FPSeCe, whereas it's kinda choppy in a couple Android builds I've tried - maybe I just need to try the right build, and yes the controller setup in psx4droid blows FPSeCe. The browsing experience in Android is excellent, I just am addicted to that Opera Mobile 10 Final.
smeddy said:
I write in the spirit of love but I gotta take issue with some of your points:
1.) Movie Maker: Can't comment as I don't use, mainly as I'll always do this on a PC
2.) Movies/TV via your Orb Server: Thing is, I could never get this working easily on WinMo, but for me it works flawlessly on Android, using the default Web Browser to select the file, and then default video player or VPlayer to play.
3.) TomTom, Navigon, Igo8, Route66 offline navigation apps: Agree, I keep WinMo around purely for TomTom (and booting )
4.) Fast psx emulation with FPSeCe: Wow, PSX4Droid works so perfectly out of the box for me, and with RomBuddy I can even download the games direct to my Droid. I donated to FPSECE and followed it closesly and praised it, but the bugs and the constant controller set-up are WAY behind PSX4Droid. Give it a go (free version available, otherwise $3) if you haven't already.
5.) Opera Mobile 10 Final INCREDIBLY smooth browsing: Fair enough. Personally I've been happy with the default Android experience, as well as trying Opera, Dolphin and one or two others on Android.
6) I'll add e-book readers to your list: I was addicted to Alreader2 on WinMo, and all of the e-book readers on Android lack something (and I've tried them all). Either missing night-mode, or file compatibility, or saving restrictions, or just plain ugly when reading. Only CoolReader has come close (in fact, very close except for a couple of issues).
7) I also find myself trapped using HTC Sense on Android as I love it's email widgets, and can't find decent equivalents for other launchers.
... Oh, and I do miss Cookie's Home Tab. It is amazing software which could have been the saviour of WinMo if it had arrived two years earlier, and was built into official ROMs. Microsoft completely dropped the ball with UI and with AppMarkets.
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thanks for being the first to add something to the list, I appreciate it. I think the hd2 is quite special (been playing with computers since 1979) and you helping build a list that helps other members here have a pocket computer that does anything is cool.
Twisted Metal 2! That remains my ultimate game ever ever ever, and its the game I got Psx4droid for. For me it works perfectly on the Black & Blue remix Rom. The Paris level stole years from my teenage years I am either Spectre or Warthog
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smeddy said:
constant controller set-up are WAY behind PSX4Droid.
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Lol no. You can set up your own way of controler in FPSEce while PSX4Droid have only pre set type of controller (i would even go as far as to say that there is only one controller).
Anyway, lack of other options in not a plus for simplicity.
Back to the topic: I agree with the Navigation and FPSEce points. I dont really mind others. Also winmo have better alarms (G-Alamr for example). I wasnt able to find good one in Android (created my own with tasker though).
so for PSX4Droid how do we specify the bios in our build? I am using HD2ONE.
Well... this might not be crucial, but I've been using WinMo with SPB Mobile Shell on it in almost all my WinMo devices (countless). There's nothing that cool in Android
KowboyBebop said:
Lol no. You can set up your own way of controler in FPSEce while PSX4Droid have only pre set type of controller (i would even go as far as to say that there is only one controller).
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I guess I do agree with you, but I just got so sick of configuring FPSECE that I enjoyed the "pick ROM and play" approach, and have been happy with the default controller. But point taken
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Well... this might not be crucial, but I've been using WinMo with SPB Mobile Shell on it in almost all my WinMo devices (countless). There's nothing that cool in Android
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I had been using SPB Mobile Shell on my phones, too. However, SPB Apps are poorly supported. If you try Android you would find that the apps are better, easier to install and uninstall, many more options using Android. Have you tried LauncherPlus? That really is better than APB MS. JMHO
pandollar said:
Igo8 works just fine in android.
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If you tried both versions you would know about huge difference between those two
SorenStirner said:
Well... this might not be crucial, but I've been using WinMo with SPB Mobile Shell on it in almost all my WinMo devices (countless). There's nothing that cool in Android
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Not crucial, but quite valid actually. I know there are many fans of spbshell, because it is awesome, and an spb shell version for android would be quite cool. Im not familiar with spb shell, but have seen it many times.
Something that was mentioned in another forum was that in FPSeCe you can have a different custom controls for each individual game: gsensor on/off, different layouts, etc. Now, it's a different .ini file each game, and making custom controls for each game is laborious, but I've done it and benefitted by it. Psx4droid will have this soon I'm sure. (I also need to try psx4droid on some of those mentioned builds.)
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Twisted Metal 2! That remains my ultimate game ever ever ever, and its the game I got Psx4droid for. For me it works perfectly on the Black & Blue remix Rom. The Paris level stole years from my teenage years I am either Spectre or Warthog
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I am either spectre or warthog -- you rock smeddy! I am starting to think Twisted Metal 2 should become one of my benchmarks for testing build/rom/radio combos.
I totally agree with the sentiments of this post. I loved my HD2. It was a remarkable device. I also loved all the programs you mentioned. However, i really wish the phone had been Android right from the get go. The hardware was so awesome, pictures we actually clear and didn't look grainy. (This was a first for HTC.) For us hackers WM was great. Now Android is great and becoming greater by leaps and bounds. It's hard to beat Google Navigation and also all the cool voice commands offered by Android.
I would have bought the EVO 4G to replace my broken HD2, but I cannot stand the sprint network. I'm waiting for an HD2 device that has a 4.3 screen and is GSM.
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"all the cool voice commands" by both google and vlingo are going to change human history starting this year. You are right to highlight those. Its the dawn of a new era in computing (is my hd2 a 'Monolith' from the Arthur C Clarke books?)
Oh yeah, and Android doesn't have "TellMe" -- can't overlook that GoogleKiller.
Office 2010
CHT 2.0
You do know the thread title is an oxy moron?
This shouldn't be in the Android forum. It looks and smells like a troll thread to me.
I'm using Windows Phone 7 on my HD2 in dual mode with Android and want to share my experienes after 3 weeks:
Windows Phone 7
pro:
-performance
contra:
- battery life
- no "really" navigation solution
- no "really" apps from third party (my Synology NAS Station, my Fritz AVM Router, XBMC, .... )
- Zune
Zune reminds me to Apple's Itunes. I prefer "Mass Storage" and could not follow this way with Zune .
I know that they are registry hacks for mass storage method and "ways" to get navigation to work, but until they are not official, windows phone is not really an opportunity for me.
Oh.....ok....
masteroe12 said:
I know that they are registry hacks for mass storage method and "ways" to get navigation to work, but until they are not official, windows phone is not really an opportunity for me.
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what an insightful post, you're in an XDA forum but you're too lazy to "hack" your phone
windows phone 7 is still a baby compared to android and iOS. the partnership with nokia means the ovi store is merging with the marketplace, so this should help, plus the changes in free submissions (allowing 99 free submissions i think) will also help.
its also worth remembering that windows phone 7 on a HD2 is also not official, so i dont see why you would have an issue with unofficial registry hacks!
personally the limitation for me is apps. having used android, i got into the habbit of downloading apps out of bordem, but that is more limited on wp7. i also think the pricing for some of the apps and gams is a little high compared with other platforms. but these often change with time.
i quite like zune in comparison with windows mobile device centre, but i do agree it has some similaritys with itunes.
dont use it if u dont like it
Mrakes said:
dont use it if u dont like it
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Exactly,
Don't buy it if you're not going to eat it
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Btw, Your title is just, with all respect, stupid.
Wp7 on hd2 and 1gb of cab file storage
Thanks to all the guys that were involved in developing wp7 for the Hd2. What do you think if Microsoft allowed 1gb of cab file storage on the wp7 platform of the costumers choosing, and they could add or remove files as they please in that 1gb of space?
That's a shame. Put a little time in and get alot out!! You really are missing out.
masteroe12 said:
I'm using Windows Phone 7 on my HD2 in dual mode with Android and want to share my experienes after 3 weeks:
Windows Phone 7
pro:
-performance
contra:
- battery life
- no "really" navigation solution
- no "really" apps from third party (my Synology NAS Station, my Fritz AVM Router, XBMC, .... )
- Zune
Zune reminds me to Apple's Itunes. I prefer "Mass Storage" and could not follow this way with Zune .
I know that they are registry hacks for mass storage method and "ways" to get navigation to work, but until they are not official, windows phone is not really an opportunity for me.
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Wowwww.!!!! This one of the most insightful post !!!!!
Ok m8.... You are probably the XDA guy that ask for help to a problem ...nad the solution is 3-4 posts above !!!!!
Ok.. no prob.... its an alternative to a lot of guys arround here ... and they are lucky to be XDA members...
colossus
I love WP7 even though there are still missing features and cant see myself going back to anything else...and WP7 imo will only improve.
The guy has a point too...
There are a lot of things missing from the WP7.There should be at least one normal GPS software, but there is not.
I used WP7, i like were it is going, the battery is better than in Android but at the end of the day i still end up using Android.
Android then WP7, back to Android and so on.Great to have a HD2.
;-))
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I love WP7 even though there are still missing features and cant see myself going back to anything else...and WP7 imo will only improve.
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I'm totally with you - the Zune pass got me. I love being able to tag something with Shazam and then have the song or album in a few minutes from the Marketplace.
I have random issues with sound from my headphones, and having to flip to video mode to get the camera to focus kinda bites at times, but those are minor issues compared to all the reboots, hangs, freezes I had with even the stock 6.x rom -
WP7 is great, so great that I almost daily want to go get a real HD7 so I have full hardware functionality.
berbecverde said:
The guy has a point too...
There are a lot of things missing from the WP7.There should be at least one normal GPS software, but there is not.
I used WP7, i like were it is going, the battery is better than in Android but at the end of the day i still end up using Android.
Android then WP7, back to Android and so on.Great to have a HD2.
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Haven't tried very hard have you?... The built in Map application functions fine for GPS - There's no voice telling you where to go, but anyone can follow the yellow dot... If you need turn by turn, there's always Telenav from T-Mobile...
I just need gps with maps on the device. is this suppose to be on the ovi store? when is that coming?
I too am using dual boot to wp7 and android and enjoying how they compliment each other with both having there strong points that makes up for their individual short comings.
As the wp7 build matures it will only get better. The wp7 takes about 15 seconds to load and the sd android build that I have takes less than 3mins so I can live with switching back and forth.
I really like netflix, the call quality, and email on wp7. Games, gps, maps, flash support, internet browsing, video, and camera I prefer the android build I use.
For me the switching between the two OSs works well.
by definition it is an alternative.
I suppoes you mean, isnt a "good" alternative
My question to you is alternative to what? an iphone? android? pen and paper? carrier Pigeons?
and even then, "good" is subjective, carrier pigeons and pen and paper have many uses that my phone wouldnt be "good" alternative for, for instance i couldnt feed my phone bread in the park, or let me kid run after it flapping like a bird scaring them away, and coming back to IT, i find its completely fine, works, works well, its a perfect "alternative" for me
Huge sweeping statments are a bit daft, fair doos, its not your cup of tea, but i dont think we have to hear about it, after all i couldnt care less what your opinion is because i have my own as do you and thats your right. but im not going to start a thread telling all about my opinion, especially since all your opinions of what are bad are in the public domain, you would have known about them before you even installed it, so its not even a constructive debate or indeed a question,
infact what is the point? to regurgitate the same information thats already been around the block several times?
dgabriel said:
Haven't tried very hard have you?... The built in Map application functions fine for GPS - There's no voice telling you where to go, but anyone can follow the yellow dot... If you need turn by turn, there's always Telenav from T-Mobile...
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I did try but still you can not compare the Navigation available on other platforms with the one(s) available for WP7.This is a problem for me since i can not drive and look at the map the same time.
And Copilot and Navigon said the do not know when or if there will be a Navigation software made by them for WP7.Maybe someone else.
So yes i try and do my homework before i speak.
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I did try but still you can not compare the Navigation available on other platforms with the one(s) available for WP7.This is a problem for me since i can not drive and look at the map the same time.
And Copilot and Navigon said the do not know when or if there will be a Navigation software made by them for WP7.Maybe someone else.
So yes i try and do my homework before i speak.
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I wish copilot would release something, its been almost 5 months.
Gabe3 said:
I wish copilot would release something, its been almost 5 months.
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http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/copilot-live-navigation-not-coming-to-windows-phone-7
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/tomtom-disinterested-in-windows-phone-7-too
Ive been using my hd2 for a long while now on android and its been superb. But I still look over at WM7 forums am im very tempted to give it ago.
Is everything working now on the newer releases?? Whats the battery life like?
Some one sell me WP7
Thanks for your help
Cheers
Baker0
i have my htc hd2 long time i test more then 150 roms on 6.5 version , and andorid , i admit android is a nice room , i start using wm7 nodo version ,its realy amazing rom , very fast rom ( similar iphone) no bugs . this room was made for internet and entretainment users.
1-the battery life is ok almost 40h using like a normal mobilephone, but need a ]trick ,]bcs wm7 on hd2 have a drivers problm in camera its make drain battery more then normal but with the trick u resolve that , the other problem is no aplication to use wifi router on wm7 .
2-in wm7 we cant type the number and show the name like in 6.5 rom , u need go to your phone list to search the name you want to call.~~
3-wm7 not suported outlook to sync the contacts , u need have a Key FROM microsoft to conect ur windows live acount and from there u can pass all your contacts
since hd2 official not suported wm7 , and wm7 is so good on hd2 , try using that u will never go back to others roms
i hope this information is helpful for u change....
Baker0 said:
Ive been using my hd2 for a long while now on android and its been superb. But I still look over at WM7 forums am im very tempted to give it ago.
Is everything working now on the newer releases?? Whats the battery life like?
Some one sell me WP7
Thanks for your help
Cheers
Baker0
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I have tried WP7 and it is truely a smooth operating system on the HD2. For me, there are two fundamental problems with WP7 which ruin the experience. The camera driver is still terrible - never use flash and no auto focus. Also the multitouch only works if you place your two fingers down at exactly the same time.
If you don't use the camera, and you can live with the dodgy multitouch - it is a great ROM.
there is a software camera .006 it correct the problem about the auto focus . with that, the pic show nice.
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I have tried WP7 and it is truely a smooth operating system on the HD2. For me, there are two fundamental problems with WP7 which ruin the experience. The camera driver is still terrible - never use flash and no auto focus. Also the multitouch only works if you place your two fingers down at exactly the same time.
If you don't use the camera, and you can live with the dodgy multitouch - it is a great ROM.
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On top of these what kills it for me is that there is not a good navigation program. Other than that it is pretty damn awesome.
The current non-Sense Android ROMs are actually working perfectly on our HD2s, the biggest problem (for me) is the battery life. WP7 however has some issues on the HD2.
First of all you have to have an SD card that works (correctly) with WP7. Then, if you move to WP7 you will find yourself in a less open environment: less apps, no usb drive option, less control of your phone. You will also lose some Google functionalities you had in Android (Navigation app, sync multiple calendars, maps). You will lose flash support. You will have to call Microsoft for an activation code if you want the live services (access to market apps). This brings a lot of pain in the a$s...
BUT! If your installation is successful you will have a very smooth OS with a great integration of facebook and google contacts synchronization. With Zune software you can synchronize your phone with your movies and music. You will get a pretty good battery life and a fully functioning phone. I flashed a WP7 ROM last week and i think I'll stick with it for a while.
Hope this helps
Thank you for your help, camera is a big one for me.... Does USB tethering work?
I'll chime in not to necessarily "sell it" but coming from a strictly WinMo background. I have Android on SD, but I've refused to have it as a main OS simply because WM has been everything I needed for years. I'm not an "app"er, could care less about market saturation, as long as I can find, somehow, the tools I need for day to day.
Coming from that background, I decided to give WP7 a go about 2 weeks ago when finally nodo was available to us on HD2. So far its been a double edged sword to me. I miss my openness already. That's my first thoughts. I miss being able to transfer files on the fly and even as simply as move files internally to deep level private folders. In WM6.5 I was to the point of using my phone as a boot-able agent for PC repairs. I would have said I miss syncing directly to Outlook, because for almost 10 years that's where all of my contacts have been stored and backed up, but MS forced me to make an exchange server with Office 2010. I think I'd be damned if I had to move my info online to an external server. Though I did activate my phone to Live, the only cloud service I use is the marketplace. Another thing I miss a lot is Sense, lol I know silly but I absolutely loved that interface.
And what I'm liking about WP7 so far, is one of the main pushes for the phone, that it is a nice neat little interface (though I really wish someone would hack sense into it). Its fast, very fast, and easy to use (which isn't really that big a deal to me because I thrive on difficult and complicated, and used to love having a phone I knew not many people could just pick up and get into), but it is very easy none the less. The marketplace has so far had a ton of apps that I do use almost daily now (which is making it harder for me to think about re-flashing 6.5). Actually the apps are the only things that's keeping me from going back at the moment. I kind of feel like I want to wait for Mango and more hacks so I can have my control back, but damned if I won't miss some of the apps.
Battery life is a bit spotty for me, because I live in a rural area at the moment and if I don't turn on airplane mode when I get home, drain down to nothing in a matter of a hours. I did a test the other day while I was out and had full H and staring from almost 100% went through about 45 min of a 93 min movie from netflix and battery was almost dead. I've learned though, the way I use my phone no matter what OS, I have to charge it all the time anyways.
That's my report, hope it helps ;-)
edit: there is a workaround for tethering with DFrouter but its sort of like the USB Storage workaround.
Long time WinMo user that made the switch with NoDo. I haven't shot any photos that required flash, but the photos I have taken with the camera were fine. I got an activation code via chat in 5 minutes or so, so that wasn't and issue. I went through the hassle of formatting my card to allow me to load Android, so when I do need to tether, I have that option.
My biggest complaint so far is the sound is overdriven, which seems to be fixable via registry tweak. In spite of loading Tom's xap, I haven't been able to successfully side-load an app that will let me work the registry a bit. But that's operator error, at some point I'll figure out what I'm doing wrong.
I just checked into NRG's 6.5 thread to see if there was anything new, a habit that will take me a long time to break. At this point, I don't see myself going backwards. I much prefer WP7 over Android, and though there is one app I really miss from WinMo (SplashID), I've found workarounds for the rest. I much prefer the e-mail and calendar interfaces on WP7, and it I'll admit it is kind of nice to have some cool, high graphics games on my day-to-day OS. Having been a smart phone user forever, I'm used to having chargers and battery spares, so battery life isn't much of a consideration for me.
I highly recommend you give it a try. Worst case, you just flash back. Good Luck!
I was in the same boat you are in right now, but there was no way to move away from Android. My love for Android and my loyalty are true to the core. What did I do? I got both. I have 16GB MicroSD Card Class 10 and with sick video guide from 96edwy I now have Dual Boot HTC HD2 running XBmod v1.10 NODO and American Android 2.3.2 !!!
Like everyone else I had my period of "Flash Madness" where I flashed about 5 times a day but it slowed down few months ago with new job and all. My ultimate solution: I have best of both worlds!!! Nirvana state of mind....
I love my Android, but I also love WP7 and right now mobile device gods are smiling on me
What OS to use...
Hi all, I tried them all on HD2 WM 6.5, 6.5.X,Froyo on SD,WP7 and finally stuck on Ginger in ROM. What is best for you depends on what kind of user you are. For example - I'm not into gaming on my phone, I don't have a facebook or twitter acc and couldnt care less about social networking,I use email extensively, care about outlook integration, office docs, use a lot of browsing, watch a lot of youtube and news aps...
WM 6.5(.X)
GOOD
- Looks great (the weather animations are so cool, the tabs are functional and fun way to use the phone)
- Has USB storage mode
- Has USB and WiFi tethering capability
- Can sync with outlook mail and contacts or any other mail with such ease that flashing and putting it back to running state takes less than 5 minutes
- Has a ton of GREAT GPS apps like iGo etc
- Best battery life of HD2 is of course on a original 6.5 ROM, nothing you flash will top that
- Skype works, although a very old version that you have to install yourself
- Can be used until the battery is dead and then recharged without a problem (not like android or wp7 ports)
- You can customize the home screen with addons like cookies home tab etc, lo limited customization is available (no widget support like in android etc)
- From just a month ago you can enjoy high res YouTube videos
BAD
- Sometimes laggy
- Browsing experience is ages behind Android and WP7, no flash support etc
- Camera is bad compared to the one on Andoird for example
- Live wallpapers are not as good as the ones on android and theres so few to choose from
- No universal search option (like on Android or BB devices)
- Gaming suck
- Development is dying or almost dead
WP7
GOOD
- Soooooo cool looking, fastest interface ever, extra intuitive and modern
- Mail app is great, very well thought trough and nice looking
- The best social networking integration, deeply into contacts
- Great gaming experience with xbox live
BAD
- Camera is only usable trough an external app, the built in is ****ty
- No direct outlook sync
- Has to be activated with MS
- No usb or wifi tethering
- No usb flash mode
- No GPS apps whatsoever, not even Google maps
- Live tiles are cool but third party apps cant really use their full potential (solved in upcoming Mango release but you'll have to wait for like a year to get it)
- No skype
- No universal search option (like on Android or BB devices), the search button is reserved for Bing search (maybe I'm wrong on this one, but as I recall you cant get to contacts so easly)
- A very long and thus very hard to use app drawer
- Cant use your own mp3 ringtones (might be wrong on this one correct me if I'm way off here)
- No real multitasking
- multitouch is implemented poorly
Android
GOOD
- Great looking interface, live wallpapers etc
- A lot of apps and games (best YouTube app ever, Skype is working fine etc.
- I just cant live without the universal search option I use all the time, so where ever you might be in the interface you are one button click away from your contacts or google search
- Has available GPS navigation software from Google maps to iGo etc.
- Great social networking apps but those options are not so deeply built in to the OS like in wp7
- USB and wifi tethering is working (not in my build for some reason but I can live without this option)
- USB flash mode working
- Multitasking
- The best camera on HD2 (a lot better than the one on the original rom)
- multitouch wirks just fine
BAD
- Battery life is bad even on phones designed for Android, let alone on ported ones
- No direct outlook sync ( a big minus for me, but not necessarily for everyone)
So, if you look at the pros and cons, the result is - your HD2 is the most functional with Android, then with good old WM 6.5 and at the end with WP7. WP7 needs to be polished, regardless of the quality of the HD2 port which is very close to the real thing. Mango update is coming this fall, but a lot of things are not addressed in it and MS need in my humble opinion another year to fix all missing bits...
Well i think everyone has said pretty much everything there is to say, i think all the bad points have been mentioned
all i would say is this,
WP7 is a different OS, its nothing like previous OS platforms on the HD2, you cant compare them as they are for different markets.
I was/am a heavy WM user, WM is a beast of an OS and there is nothing it cant do except games, had Microsoft not been completely shafted by OEMs, QC and the networks, WM would have been a modern day contender, as it is however it may be a beast of an OS but it isnt pretty and its laggy.
I tried Android for quite a while and i just found it fragmented, apart from games which isnt something i use there is little to know benifit over WM, yeah it looks good and is smoother but i just got board with it to be honest. its less functional than WM but is smoother, the UI is not much of an improvment in my opinion.
So i tried WP7, to start with i thought it was crap, very little functionality to the other two, very smooth, but then something odd happened, the UI just grew on me, the intigration of the OS became somthing i thought was great, it took about 2-4 weeks before i suddenly realised i absolutely love the thing, so i tried dropping back to Android for a while and i hated it.
in short, WP7 changes the way in which you use the device, the best and most accurate way of looking at it is, Windows Mobile is the best pocketPC platform out there (not including games) Windows Phone is the best SMARTPHONE out there, there is a difference, i have a second device which runs WM now, im longing for the day someone can port WM to an SD card
Yep, couldnt agree more with dazza. WP7 is all about PHONE experience! Most of us are not app freaks and use our PHONE primarily as a communication device, not a gaming platform or a replacement for a compass or a GPS device... All those devices do a better job on their own than any hybrid will so bottom line, WP7 takes me where I wanna be - focused on communicating with people - I can quickly get to my contacts, check what they've been up to, read and send emails and texts, send them a pic or two, surf the web a bit... And no other OS right now does that better, faster and cooler than WP7. Period.
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Yep, couldnt agree more with dazza. WP7 is all about PHONE experience! Most of us are not app freaks and use our PHONE primarily as a communication device, not a gaming platform or a replacement for a compass or a GPS device... All those devices do a better job on their own than any hybrid will so bottom line, WP7 takes me where I wanna be - focused on communicating with people - I can quickly get to my contacts, check what they've been up to, read and send emails and texts, send them a pic or two, surf the web a bit... And no other OS right now does that better, faster and cooler than WP7. Period.
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Only if the battery life is better Its only 6 hours from the last full charge and the battery is already down by half
Roxxx
Yeahhh..
I think WP7 on HD2 is awesome!
I also at first thought, that its missing functionality, like file managers, copying files to device and back etc.. The GPS and so on.
But i must say, WP7 is awesome, the integration into Facebook, the browser, the mail client is fantastic. It was not made to be like WM 6.5 etc, this is something on its own....
And it is really growing on all of us
Looking forward to the updates, and more software to be added.
We just have to live with the short battery life!
Windows Phone Device Manager
Also....
I am not sure if some of you guys have checked this out?
http://www.touchxperience.com/
This is a beta project, and its awesome! Allows custom ringtones, copy files to device and back. This is going to be great.
Try it out!
Hi All,
I've just been given an Omnia 7 and I'm not sure what to do with it.
I have an HTC Wildfire (Unlocked running CM) and my initial thoughts were to put CM on the Omnia, after a bit of research I found this wasn't possible.
So do I migrate from Android to Wm7 on the Omnia (and how would I copy my contacts etc) and is it worth it?
I don't expect an answer to: is Android better than WM7 (nor is this the place for it) but has anyone else came from Android to WM7? Anyone prefer the Omnia over the Wildfire etc? Are there like for like apps between Android and WM7? Things like Task killer, utils, games etc
If I do use the Omnia is it worth upgrading (as per the great guides on here) and what version should I upgrade to?
I also notice that the links to the Samsung USB Driver/Flash utilities don't work any more, does anyone have a copy of they available to dl?
Appreciate I'm asking a lot here, any advise would be greatly received.
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its all about tast , If I where you I would play with the omnia for some time.
DavidJBrown said:
Hi All,
I've just been given an Omnia 7 and I'm not sure what to do with it.
I have an HTC Wildfire (Unlocked running CM) and my initial thoughts were to put CM on the Omnia, after a bit of research I found this wasn't possible.
So do I migrate from Android to Wm7 on the Omnia (and how would I copy my contacts etc) and is it worth it?
I don't expect an answer to: is Android better than WM7 (nor is this the place for it) but has anyone else came from Android to WM7? Anyone prefer the Omnia over the Wildfire etc? Are there like for like apps between Android and WM7? Things like Task killer, utils, games etc
If I do use the Omnia is it worth upgrading (as per the great guides on here) and what version should I upgrade to?
I also notice that the links to the Samsung USB Driver/Flash utilities don't work any more, does anyone have a copy of they available to dl?
Appreciate I'm asking a lot here, any advise would be greatly received.
D
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150% worth! omnia7 has one of the best SUPER amoled screens by far and is with 4" really perfect. htc wildfire are a VW Polo and Omnia7 are a Audi A4 All good apps and games has wp7 too and it works fast smooth with a pure and clear UI. and if you flash my mi7ROM you get a Full unlocked (root) OS with ability to install custom apps and improvements
look in my signature you will find my omnia7 rom and my online storage ....
SAMSUNG OMNIA 7 mi7ROM 8107 and - my storage content on htcfanboys.com
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150% worth! omnia7 has one of the best amoledPlus screens by far and is with 4" really perfect.
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Just to point out that it's not AMOLED Plus, it's just SuperAMOLED. Galaxy S2, Galaxy Tab 7.7 (the new one) and Galaxy Nexus are the top-tier devices for the moment utilizing Super AMOLED Plus display matrix.
Like i said to derik123derik123, i´ll try to put my toughts in a parcial way...
First of all, i´ve been always merging between iOS and Android,like them a lot, lived with it for years, all kinda of mobiles, jailbreakin, rootin,flashing custom, downgradin, even opening to change hardware parts...
Last year i had Motorola Atrix 4G and iPhone 4S, great ones, but without the opportunity to live with an oficial ICS ROm, i sold Atrix and in this January without jailbreak and tired of iOS, sold iPhone 4s....
Now, i had the opportunity and bought and Samsung Omnia 7...remember when you´re a kid and saw that toy in TV or Movie and when you got it sounds just more perfect then you could thought? When sounds that you will pass your entire life with it spending all minute just adoring it?
Well, i felt just like when started to use Omnia 7 with Mango 7.5, i really felt happier each time i scrolled my finger, the system is so fluid, so fast, so responsive, its beautiful, its simple, modern and intuitive, you dont have to dig its already there in your face.
For the first time i felt that my years with Droid and iPhones passed...Microsoft has now conquered me and surprised with an inteligent innovation, they just create something unique, there is nothing in their system that remebers Android or iOS, they have their identity.
I think that if you like the new, the unique and different, Windows Phone 7 it´s a new and beuatiful world to explore all time.
Well I took your advice. I gave my Wildfire to the wife (Her G1 was getting a bit long in the tooth) and installed mirolg's excellent rom.
I'm now sat here with the Omnia running the mirolg unlocked rom and I'm impressed! Google/Facebook/Linkedin contact all came across and worked perfectly.
Yes the screen is very nice, must get some video to play on it. Just a few niggles though if anyone can help.
It would be nice to be able to turn on/off 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and GPS from the start screen. I've installed toggle but it only does 3G and Wifi, anyone know of an app that does all 4?
Slightly annoyed that there is no SD slot to upgrade the capacity, I though most phones came with this these days.
On a much wider note are there any 'must have' apps or games on this device? What do you lot run and recommend?
Look forward to the replies!
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DavidJBrown said:
Well I took your advice. I gave my Wildfire to the wife (Her G1 was getting a bit long in the tooth) and installed mirolg's excellent rom.
I'm now sat here with the Omnia running the mirolg unlocked rom and I'm impressed! Google/Facebook/Linkedin contact all came across and worked perfectly.
Yes the screen is very nice, must get some video to play on it. Just a few niggles though if anyone can help.
It would be nice to be able to turn on/off 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and GPS from the start screen. I've installed toggle but it only does 3G and Wifi, anyone know of an app that does all 4?
Slightly annoyed that there is no SD slot to upgrade the capacity, I though most phones came with this these days.
On a much wider note are there any 'must have' apps or games on this device? What do you lot run and recommend?
Look forward to the replies!
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Check marketplace for Connection Tiles.
Cheers!
I believe Supreme shortcuts should do the trick: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343993
HOMEBREW xap wp7 apps ( tnx xda developer)
Marketplace apps:
AlbumFlow- music player with cover
AudioAnalyzer- sound check app
Babylon Translator- ad free translator with the most languages
Bedbug- better sleep soundplayer
Betty Crocker- best recipe app with pics
Cocking Timer- very cool 3x timer- works in background
Convert2Go- convert app
Clinometer
Cocktail Flow- cocktails
Dance Hub- Dj- mix with offline download
Ebay- ebay
Filmstarts- Kino/movie app
GPS Voice Navigation- online GPS Voice Navigation
handyscan- scan your documents and load up to skydrive
IMDB- movie DB
Lighting Dial- cool homescreen alternative with much shotcuts
MobileTag- barcode scan
Notes- simple, clean notes app
Remotely Possible- play you media from PC on your device- cool!
SleepTimer- sleep music timer
Slydr-keyboard like swipe
Sky Drive- Microsoft skydrive app
Signal Generator- generate test- audio signals
Stick Tiles- stick a notes
Soundtracker- best music app like spotify but free
Soudhound- better shazam alternative
Free Music Cloud- Dj- mix with offline download
SweetNSpicy- Indian and Thai recepies- great!
Tech New Now- best Technical rss feed reader
TuneIn Radio- Radio app
Timer- timer
TuneWiki- live Lyrics app by play a song- in different languages!
QuickMinder- Time minder tile app
WhatsUp- short message app multicross OS
Voice Memos Lite- record Voice Memos
wikipedia Reader- wp reader
Wiztiles- Induvidualize your custom tiles
Weave- best Technical rss feed reader
WPcentral- wpcentral.com app
WP7Applist- Marketplace overview
XDA-Developers- board express forum app
Youtube Pro- with down- and upload!
Thanks again for all the help! Supreme shortcuts is exactly what I wanted and I've installed most of the apps mentioned by the awesome mirolg.
Phone is now almost perfectly setup...........apart from Zune! For a start it's seems unnecessary as I was used to drag and drop on Android, but I can live with it.
What I can't live with is the way it won't copy a full album over! I have a lot of Audio Books, I do a lot of driving and I find them better than music.
They are all ID3 marked up and work fine on all other devices. I sync them up with the Omnia 7 and for some reason it copies over file 1,2, 5, 7, 8, 9, 11 etc!!
I really don't understand why it will not copy the FULL contents of the album, I've checked the tags, they are all good, all files are there and play on other devices, I have removed and re added the library, but no. It does not seem to work!
Also, a very strange thing. I fully charge the phone, connect Bluetooth in the car and the phone to USB to charge and by the end of my journey (6Hrs) the phone battery is nearly dead! I havn't used the phone for anything, 3g, Wifi, GPS all turmed off!
Any idea why the phone seems to discharge? I know the USB port on the Car Stereo is fine as I have used other phones with it.
Thanks again, I'd appreciate any advice!
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