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Does anyone have an expected release date for this yet? I may be moving from the UK to the US soon so just wondering what to get and where to get it!
HTC insn't going into full scale production untill autumn.
And it's usefullness in the USA wil be somewhat limited.
It only has Tri band GSM so will be incompatible with some networks, also the 3G radio is a different standard in the USA to the Euro 3G - CDMA V W-CDMA I believe, but I'm sure someone will highlight what the acronym is. Thats why no USA networks have expressed any desire to release the Universal - maybe there will be another model bought out for the USA markets...
There will be a USA release eventually. HTC would be stupid to not make a version of the Universal that worked well in the USA.
There's lots of speculation on various message boards that HTC has already created a USA version of the Universal. Supposedly, it's being called "Apache" while it's still in testing.
There are lots of people in the USA using HTC devices right now. I can't imagine HTC deciding not to accept anymore money from those USA customers.
Pretty much everyone with an HTC device (or any other brand of Pocket PC for that matter) will give the Universal serious consideration when it's released. If HTC just ignored them, well that would not be a sound business decision.
Expect a version of the Universal to be released in the USA for use on the new EVDO networks (Sprint and Verizon).
Now Sprint and Verizon may decide not to carry the device, but I fully expect HTC to at least offer it to them.
do sprint and verizon even offer gsm(sim) cards? i bought my jam from dubai when i was over there for summer vacation and now i'm using it with cingular. and if the device is released in the US it would be a while after its released in the UK and rest of the world. If you haven't noticed USA is really behind in the cell phone market.
USA may be behind in the cell phone market, but all of the previous HTC products were released in the USA, so I don't see why the Universal would be any different.
The Wizard will be released in the USA, so why not the Universal? I could definitely see HTC ,aking a version for the USA. And probably making a CDMA version as well.
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Sorry Guys, But Cellphone Networks in USA sux! Your mobile phone carries got the "older model" planns to sell devices. Europe and Asia is at leats 5 years advanced than USA.
Here in Brazil GSM Networks are since 2002 so we got euro carriers with new terminals, 3G is already here.
HTC is preparing a special edition for you guys
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What are you talking about? USA networks may be behind, in general, but both Sprint and Verizon have EVDO networks. That is pretty up to date technology.
HTC may very well be preparing a special version, but I highly doubt Brazil is getting anyting more technically advanced than the USA (from HTC at least)...
HTC sent the same Harrier and Blue Angel to the USA that they sent everywhere else. HTC is also sending the same Wizard to the USA that they sent everywhere else. Why should the Universal be any different?
Well, it might be a little different (hopefully it will be made for CDMA/EVDO).
your carriers are well behind the uk and most of the rest of the world-maybe not 5 years though!the universal will be the same as the jam release wise-asia then europe then the us.just a shame your carriers are so slow that they cannot utilise the new technology the universal bringsand what is with using a different frequency (850) is it just to be awkward?!lol.l have no doubts the universal will be available everywhere including the us
First off, I have to say that the Apache is not a CDMA version of the universal. Rather, it is a CDMA version of the wizard.
Second, yes the USA networks are a little behind the rest of the world. It sucks that we have to wait for new devices months after they have been released to the rest of the world. However, that may be changing. Check out the last couple pages of this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=22813&start=125
It is looking more and more like the new 6700 sprint will be releasing is the Apache. Right now the target release date is sometime from August to October. This would be amazing because it would be (as far as I know) the first 5.0 device released anywhere. It would be released in the US before Europe and Asia, and it would even be release before the wizard was released anywhere.
So maybe the US is catching up. Here's hoping
The USA networks are not lagging behind Europe and Asia. At least not all of them. Again, both Sprint and Verizon have EVDO networks. That is not lagging in any way. EVDO is a 3G technology, and it fully supports all the features on any of todays cell phones (even the Universal). The only thing is the networks are CDMA. But CDMA is not lagging behing the rest of the world either.
Actaully saltydawg, only verizon has EV-DO right now. Sprint won't be lauch there's till the end of the year. We should start seeing EV-DO phones coming out soon though.
As for what I said abou the USA being behind, that was mainly in reference to the delay in getting new phones to the US.
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Sprint does have EVDO right now man. Currently the only devices that officially support it are laptop data cards. People have got it working on their PPC-6600's as well though.
But yes, we should start seeing lots more EVDO devices released soon...
You have got to be kidding me if you think US networks do not lag behind European networks. By the time we get something new, Europe is already moved on to the next best thing. We are at least 2-3 if not 5-7 years behind.
SaltyDawg,
That makes more sense. I guess they just aren't really promoting that. It's pretty cool that some of the 6600s have got that to work though. There is supposed to be an official sprint update for the 6600 coming out in october I think.
Zach
We can argue all day about whether or not the US lags behind in mobile network technology. Whan I can say is that when US carriers decide to go with a technology, it does take awhile to rollout.
HOWEVER, let's think about this. All of the countries we're being compared to are approx 10% of the size of the US. Individual European countries and their respective carriers have NO IDEA what a rollout in the US takes in terms of material, resources, and most importantly, money. Even the whole of Europe doesn't compare in size to the Continental USA.
Cut us a break, guys...
GSM Technology in the US
well, you can argue all day about this but i would say that the US is way behind but we've been catching up some how ... the three main countries which keep on using CDMA is the US, Japan& Korea ... so if anybody really wants a really good phone for the verizon and sprint networks just look at what's available in japan ... they actually have 8.0Mp camera phones out ... while everybody's working on catching up here in the US ... Verizon is actually owned by VODAFONE that is why verizon was first in coming out with 3G with the help of their cousins across the pond ... which i am wondering why t-mobile doesn't use their connection being t-mobile ... the largest global wireless company (they have service in most of the countries in the industrialized world ... they even have dibs on singtel which is one of the powerful wireless carriers in asia) ...
t-mobile usa and t-mobile uk don't even work together (as per comment by one of the tech support people from t-mobile usa) ... i was trying to set up blackberry connect on my Sony Ericsson P910i which was from T-Mobile UK but our friends from T-Mobile US told me that they can't assist me ... so i ended up doing it myself ... as usual ....
hopefully the US gets hold of more phones, marketing somewhat sucks y'know ... i guess it's all about the blackberry over here in the US .... which, personally has an ugly interface and worse conventional phones which are almost as expensive as Palm, Pocket PC, and Symbian devices ...
Well the bottom line is not all USA networks a lagging way behind Europe and Asia. At least not anymore. Sprint and Verizon both have EVDO. EVDO is a 3G technology. So no way can anyone say Sprint and Verizon are lagging way behind Europe and Asia.
Now the phones they release on those networks may be a different story. But again, that has nothing to do with HTC. HTC releases the same phones in the USA that they release in Europe and Asia. So anyone saying HTC won't release the Universal in the USA is not looking at the recent history. And anyone saying all USA networks are lagging behind Europe and Asia is not looking at the present. Sprint and Verizon, with their EVDO, specifically.
UMTS in the USA
All I can say is soon, as in September/October UMTS will be deployed in 9 major cities in the US. The carrier in question already has a re-branded BlueAngel for sale. Word from marketing is that shortly after UMTS is deployed they will start carrying one of the re-branded HTC Universal devices .
I really wish they'd release a version compatible with AT&T 3G. What's it going to take for HTC to realize the demand for their state of the art hardware coupled with a "current gen" OS?
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I really wish they'd release a version compatible with AT&T 3G. What's it going to take for HTC to realize the demand for their state of the art hardware coupled with a "current gen" OS?
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They should release a radio that supports World Frequency for 3G bands like 850/900/1700/2100. The underlying h/w is capable of 3G bands I belive.
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Its a Vodafone exclusive phone, as in it won't released on any other network. Why would HTC spend money enabling 3G frequencies, and more to the point why would Vodafone let them when they are the one footing the bill for development costs? Don't gripe at HTC, take your anger out on AT&T for not getting the finger out and doing what Tmobile and now Vodafone are doing.
Sometimes I just hate carriers.
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Its a Vodafone exclusive phone, as in it won't released on any other network. Why would HTC spend money enabling 3G frequencies, and more to the point why would Vodafone let them when they are the one footing the bill for development costs? Don't gripe at HTC, take your anger out on AT&T for not getting the finger out and doing what Tmobile and now Vodafone are doing.
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AT&T can't do it due to the exclusivity agreement with Apple they have. See BlackBerry Storm, Samsung Omnia or HTC Touch Diamond all they have missed and they got HTC Touch Pro because they want to lure the AT&T Tilt subscribers to continue. They are not getting Palm Pre also due to this.
Other reason could be Yahoo!. AT&T roots are SBC and it has a deal with Yahoo! for its search. If they get Android, it is going to be all Google, which is contra to their policy.
I may be wrong too.
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HTC Magic available for Rogers Wireless June 2nd Canada
Rogers Wireless announced the availability of the Magic and Dream, June 2nd. Rogers supports the 850 band that AT&T uses. Of course these phones will be locked. Rumoured retail price will be $599 each.
Its coming to tmobile in July for 179 muahahah gonna sell my iphone
Good evening to all. has been a while I'm thinking of buying a Dream, and I'm looking at the prices in stores. I buy it again seems a bit expensive, so I turned to ebay and I saw that second-hand cost rather less. Now I'm wondering though: if I buy it outside of my country, like in America or in Germany (for example) can still use it in my country? or just not working. I ask this because I am about to go on holiday in America and I do not know whether to buy or not ...... You know where this goes from country to country?
be careful on eBay, lots of look alike phones are appearing! Make 100% certain it is truly a HTC phone!
No, that's ok it is that you resemble is fine, but for sure I care what you purchase, I do not want to buy it is a clone. However, then the Dream are all equal?
Ebay is ebay. People are trying to get the most money for their item. Some people will start lower prices than other. Some people are luckier and have more people interested and bidding higher. Some items are in better physical condition.
As others have said, don't accidentally buy a clone. They are VERY sneaky. You need to watch out for all the details and features and make sure nothing is missing.
But I am sure however that a German or American Dream can go well in my country?
the dream is a world phone, so it's going to work anywhere (gprs data, hsdpa data is only the frequency that T-Mo us runs, i think)
There are no differences between dream devices, other than the motherboard they come equiped with, and this can be the difference between been able to root and getting a brick if you try, but, again, afaik, they all come with the puny 192 mb ram and 256 mb nand flash.
I'm not sure which you want but they are NOT the same, the rogers dream will work on att 3g the tmo g1 is tmo 3g only, make sure the frequencies on the phone match your carriers...
All dreams should work, its a matter of how quickly (ie 3g or not)
I'm not sure which you want but they are NOT the same, the rogers dream will work on att 3g the tmo g1 is tmo 3g only, make sure the frequencies on the phone match your carriers...
All dreams should work, its a matter of how quickly (ie 3g or not)
Thanks for answers. If I had to take it, take the Dream brand T-Mobile or AT&T, or directy unlocked
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Thanks for answers. If I had to take it, take the Dream brand T-Mobile or AT&T, or directy unlocked
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There is no ATT branded device.
ALL dream *except* rogers will work 3G *everywhere except* ATT/Rogers. ATT/Rogers are oddball carriers with frequencies that don't match anywhere else.
Note that asides from the frequencies, there are devices with different KEYBOARD LAYOUTS. Most will have QWERTY layout (i.e. from english-speaking places), there are also QWERTZ layout (German), and I don't know what layout is used from French-speaking places (AZERTY?).
if you live in europe it would almost make more sense to buy a tmobile g1
the tmobile version has both wcdma 1700 and 2100 bands....and 2100 should work where you are...so you won't lose 3g in the deal like you would with the rogers dream
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if you live in europe it would almost make more sense to buy a tmobile g1
the tmobile version has both wcdma 1700 and 2100 bands....and 2100 should work where you are...so you won't lose 3g in the deal like you would with the rogers dream
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A "tmobile g1" *** IS A DREAM ***, so your statement reads as "it would almost make more sense to buy a dream [than a dream]", which has absolutely no meaning.
And quit calling it a "tmobile g1"... tmobile is NOT the manufacturer, and "g1" is NOT the model name -- "tmobile g1" is just tmobile's way of pretending that they actually had something to do with something and tricking people into contracts and limitations on features.
As someone who is becoming rather aggravated about the continuing lack of ETA for the Tilt 2 I was wondering if a Rogers version of the Dream would be a good alternative for me?
Specifically I am looking for a smartphone with a bigger screen than my 8525, a physical keyboard, wifi, the ability to surf the web and use Logmein to access PC's, and the ability to read various ebooks (txt's, doc's, rtf's, lit's, pdf's, etc). I would also like to be able to listen to mp3's on headphones and play some bejewelled/popit style games however these are less important. I am also restricted to the AT&T network as my cellphone is on my company's AT&T plan (which is why I was thinking that the Rogers version of the Dream would be better than the other versions as from what I understand it should allow it to be compatible with the 850/1900 band?)
Anyways, I was wondering if the Rogers version of the Dream would meet my requirements or if there are any other Android phones that might do so? Thanks in advance for any information and advice and sorry if I'm not asking this in the correct place.
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coscom said:
As someone who is becoming rather aggravated about the continuing lack of ETA for the Tilt 2 I was wondering if a Rogers version of the Dream would be a good alternative for me?
Specifically I am looking for a smartphone with a bigger screen than my 8525, a physical keyboard, wifi, the ability to surf the web and use Logmein to access PC's, and the ability to read various ebooks (txt's, doc's, rtf's, lit's, pdf's, etc). I would also like to be able to listen to mp3's on headphones and play some bejewelled/popit style games however these are less important. I am also restricted to the AT&T network as my cellphone is on my company's AT&T plan (which is why I was thinking that the Rogers version of the Dream would be better than the other versions as from what I understand it should allow it to be compatible with the 850/1900 band?)
Anyways, I was wondering if the Rogers version of the Dream would meet my requirements or if there are any other Android phones that might do so? Thanks in advance for any information and advice and sorry if I'm not asking this in the correct place.
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HELP WANTED TO IDENTIFY HTC HERO MODEL #s, and what they can tell you re the specific version of the Hero you're getting. ADVICE also wanted to buying online.
I've had two HTC WindowsMobile Phones over past 4 years, all through T-Mobile USA, I've been very active @XDA, and now I'm switching to Android. Took me a while to choose which HTC android phone Model I wanted, since my carrier, T-Mobile USA, decided not to carry the Hero.
Yesterday I spent several hours at my T-Mobile store getting a feel for the first time of several Android devices -- including the G1, the myTouch, and the new Motorola Cliq (which I didn't care for at all). So many reviews on YouTube and various Smartphone news & info sites have convinced me the HTC Hero is what I want. And I am giving up 3G data speeds on T-Mobile's USA Network in order to get this phone.
Which Model Do I want?
The "Device database" site that links at the top of every page here at XDA shows all these following versions of the HTC Hero. I want to figure out specifically if one of the models shown was ever put into production, or whether it was just an early prototype while HTC was shopping it around to carriers:
COMPARISON CHART OF HTC HERO MODEL VERSIONS:
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Note Item #1: I have to assume this model was never put into production, and that it was perhaps just a prototype to "sell" to T-Mobile USA to carry this model, and they of course passed.
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But it was also reviewed on YouTube under this specific model name (HTC Hero / T-Mobile G2 Touch)... And so if this model somehow was produced (doubtful), it would be the Hero I'd want to buy, since it would work at 3G speeds on the T-Mobile USA 3G network, which requires bands 1700 and 2100.
Here is the other GSM model listed... I know from researching all of this that T-Mobile UK has the Hero (but only in Black and in White), that Orange UK has it, that Denmark has a version that is gunmetal blue-grey, and that India has a Hero model as well. I don't know which is which in terms of specs.
And then here are the new USA models, for Sprint (released), and Verizon (not yet released):
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Very likely someone will confirm here that the model I buy won't be usable on T-Mobile USA's 3G network.. I've reconciled to that, and STILL want this phone over T-Mo's Android 3G phones: myTouch, Motorola Cliq.
But I want to buy the right model, so is it #2 or #3? At the online stores, mostly all I see is the GSM Hero listed THIS way:
HTC Hero A6262 Quadband 3G HSDPA GPS Unlocked Phone
but I have also seen one listed this way (sold in Singapore):
HTC Hero / HTC A6262 / Google G3
I have spoken to HTC USA -- not a help at all -- I have written to vendors -- they don't know. I have written to PDAdb.net -- no reply So please help me solve this so I can hurry up and order this phone. Thank you!
(1) does not exist, there is no Hero that supports the 1700 band that (only) T-Mobile USA uses. HERO100 is the product number of (2), which is the European/Asian version, and, as I am typing, is currently the only version of Hero with that chin.
(3) is going to be released later this week in Canada with Telus. It should looks exactly the same with HERO100. The only difference is that it supports 850/1900, which Telus and some other carriers in North and South America use for their 3G networks, in particular AT&T in the US. It carries a product number of HERO130. I am not sure if there will be an unlocked version of this phone for retail, but I am sure that people will find a way to unlock the carrier specific version within days.
(5) has released on Sprint, there is not much I can say about it that is not in the pic you posted. It is a CDMA phone, the same goes for (4), which has been renamed to Droid Eris and looks rather different from all its Hero siblings.
If you are sticking with T-Mobile USA, I am sorry but there is no Hero that supports T-Mobile USA 3G network. Don't waste your time looking for one. T-Mobile USA is the only carrier in this world that utilize the 1700 band for its 3G network (no, T-Mobile in the Europe doesn't use 1700). Unless T-Mobile USA was going to carry the Hero on their network, which they had already declined, the chance of having a compatible Hero is very very slim. In this case, HERO100 and HERO130 are the same phone to you. They will run fine on EDGE, but no 3G. If you are gonig to switch to, say, AT&T, then you should go for HERO130 instead of HERO100, since that one is compatible with AT&T's 3G network.
Is the Hero "A6262" the same as the Hero100 ?
Oh, excellent! Leave it to XDA to have clear answers in under 3 hours... vs days of unanswered questions elsewhere. Thank you so much, tsekh501. So, the Hero100 = Europe/Asia model = UMTS 900/2100 = Picture #2. Is this also known as HTC Hero A6262 Quadband 3G HSDPA GPS ? Because the designation "A6262" is the most common way the HTC Hero is denoted at various online vendors' sites.
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(3) is going to be released later this week... it supports 850/1900, which (AT&T) use for their 3G networks...in the US. It carries a product number of HERO130. ...I am not sure if there will be an unlocked version of this phone for retail, but I am sure that people will find a way to unlock the carrier specific version within days.
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The likelihood of my ever contracting with AT&T is so slim -- I plan to never forget their lead role in the domestic spying on every single person in the United States for all phone & internet traffic. This is why I never went for the iphone.
If you are sticking with T-Mobile USA...HERO100 and HERO130 are the same phone to you. They will run fine on EDGE, but no 3G. If you are going to switch to, say, AT&T, then you should go for HERO130 instead of HERO100, since that one is compatible with AT&T's 3G network.
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... But in the event I fell and hurt my head and lost all memory of their criminality, it would be best for me to wait a few weeks until the AT&T branded phones hit the secondary marketplace and are made avail online, unlocked ? (Scratch that. (a) I could not stand to look at that logo everytime I used the phone, and (b) their 3G network is so overtaxed and under-resourced, AT&T has actually been thinking of throttling usage of high-data users like iphone subscribers)
(5) has released on Sprint, there is not much I can say about it that is not in the pic you posted. It is a CDMA phone, the same goes for (4), which has been renamed to Droid Eris and looks rather different from all its Hero siblings.
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I see that now:
(This sounds pretty snide... but who knows, maybe given the Hero's older processor, compared to the new Motorola DROID and the HTC Leo, maybe it's true
CNET: "... it should launch November 6, and it will supposedly run $99 after rebate. That's pretty cheap considering it matches the specs of the $180 Hero ... a bundled 8GB MicroSD card. ...Dan and I were talking about how one of Sprint's flagship phones, what was the premiere Android phone before the Droid came along, will be Verizon's el cheapo Android handset come Friday. The Hero more than warrants the $180 Sprint charges, but Verizon sees it as a last-gen device only worthy of last-gen pricing. That, to us, shows the carrier is really planning to push Android hardware to the next level.
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Thanks -- my first thread in the Hero forum and a home-run reply in post#2. Thanks very much!
Item 1, the T-Mobile G2 Touch does exists - it just doesn't support the bands listed under it. It just a "normal" GSM Hero branded by T-Mobile for its european networks. My guess is that whomever put together that table on PDAnet saw it said T-Mobile and just assumed it would be for T-Mobile US. This is further evidenced by the model number, which remains Hero 100.
To be honest, if you want a GSM Hero, they are all basically the same at the moment with the only differences being the colour and the pre-installed apps in the ROM. For example SEE Hero's don't seem to come with the Market. Oh - an the white Hero is teflon coated too! Allegedly a Canadian network (Rogers?) will be launching a GSM Hero which supports AT&T 3G bands (Hero 130), but that doesn't help you much if you are staying with T-Mobile US.
So, my advice is - pick a colour!
Regards,
Dave
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Item 1, the T-Mobile G2 Touch does exists - it just doesn't support the bands listed under it. It just a "normal" GSM Hero branded by T-Mobile for its european networks. My guess is that whomever put together that table on PDAnet saw it said T-Mobile and just assumed it would be for T-Mobile US. This is further evidenced by the model number, which remains Hero 100.
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There exists a Hero with the name of (1) T-Mobile G2 Touch, which is basically (2). But there does NOT exists a Hero with the spec listed for (1) above. T-Mobile G2 Touch is (2) branded for T-Mobile in Europe and is NOT compatible with the 3G network of T-Mobile USA.
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... But in the event I fell and hurt my head and lost all memory of their criminality, it would be best for me to wait a few weeks until the AT&T branded phones hit the secondary marketplace and are made avail online, unlocked ? (Scratch that. (a) I could not stand to look at that logo everytime I used the phone, and (b) their 3G network is so overtaxed and under-resourced, AT&T has actually been thinking of throttling usage of high-data users like iphone subscribers)
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No, what I was saying is that this Canadian carrier, Telus, will be releasing a version of HTC Hero, HERO130, that will be compatible with AT&T US 3G network. It is very unlikely that AT&T themselves will carry the HTC Hero or any Android phones for that matter anytime soon.
(a) It won't be AT&T branded. It may be Telus branded, but it hasn't been released yet, no one knows what Telus will do to it. No one knows at the moment whether there will be a generic unlocked version of the Hero available in the Canada either.
(b) Yes I have read that. But what I've read is that they have this "unlimited" data limit of 5GB per month. Once you reached that they will start throttling your data usage. Seriously, 5GB is A LOT. My normal month data usage does not exist 500MB, and I am using an Android phone. Unlike you enjoy sitting at a no-wifi cafe and stream video all day, or play online games (do they even exist on Android?) it is pretty hard to hit 5GB. And if you are sitting down and want to do this kind of data heavy thing, normally you would much prefer to hook up with a wifi hotspot. Mainly for speed reason.
The Telus version is the A6265. Lets hope these get unlocked soon so I can use it on AT&T
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The Telus version is the A6265. Lets hope these get unlocked soon so I can use it on AT&T
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Thanks! ... so let me add the pic here, just to get them all captured and differentiated in one spot:
The Telus version: the A6265
Fishing around, i found this comment, fyi:
the walmart i work at already has the hero in stock here in ontario, we are able to activate them on the 5th of november
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from HTC's website:
and from Telus Mobility:
No Contract price: $499
from Android Central: Telus Hero unboxed "Surprise: Unbranded"
from Howards Forums:
Question for the more knowledgeable of Canadian providers. Is Telus available in the western coast of CA? I live in Seattle and often times find myself in Bellingham, a stone's throw away from BC.
telus is big in B.C, finding a store to buy phones would not be a problem.
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thanks tsekh -- your knowledge is invaluable.
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No, what I was saying is that this Canadian carrier, Telus, will be releasing a version of HTC Hero, HERO130, that will be compatible with AT&T US 3G network.... But what I've read is that they have this "unlimited" data limit of 5GB per month. Once you reached that they will start throttling your data usage. Seriously, 5GB is A LOT.
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THIS was the article I was speaking of ... indicating there is further thinking going on, don't you think?
AT&T Wireless CEO Hints at ‘Managing’ iPhone Data Usage Mark Sullivan, PC World, Oct 7, 2009 4:11 pm
...De la Vega ... cited AT&T research showing that just 3 percent of AT&T's smartphone customers [read iPhone users] use 40 percent of all smartphone data, that they consume 13 times the data of "the average smartphone customer," yet represent less than 1 percent of AT&T’s total postpaid customer base. ... So in the absence of new spectrum and new, faster 4G networks, what does AT&T intend to do about the growing demand in the near term?
De la Vega’s comments on this subject really caught my attention.
Without the proper management of these networks, De la Vega said, regular data users will be “crowded out” by the small number of users [read iPhone users] who use massive amounts of data.
“We have to manage the network to make sure that the few cannot crowd out the many,” De la Vega continued.
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He said the words “crowded out” at least five times in that part of his keynote address.... Of course nobody outside AT&T knows exactly what the company has in mind. But if De la Vega's numbers are correct, AT&T will be forced to do something, and I got the impression that De la Vega was casually introducing the "rationing" concept to the wireless community today.
AT&T's exclusive deal with Apple to sell the iPhone has made it a top-shelf wireless provider, but that blessing could become a curse if the AT&T 3G network can't keep up with the large bandwidth appetite of the popular device.
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The reason for my followup here is to say I've now thought it through, and (a) I want the brown handset -- so that's GSM Europe/Asia, since Telus is only offering the handset in black or white, and (b) I'll be satisfied with 2G and wi-fi. Thanks again.
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Thanks! ... so let me add the pic here, just to get them all captured and differentiated in one spot:
The Telus version: the A6265
Fishing around, i found this comment, fyi:
from HTC's website:
and from Telus Mobility:
No Contract price: $499
from Android Central: Telus Hero unboxed "Surprise: Unbranded"
from Howards Forums:
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Nice. But unbranded does not mean that the phone is unlocked (although there is a chance that it is), there is still "Telus" written on the box. I won't be too worry about the possibility of unlocking it though, given we have seen what the people here can do.
I am using the European version on AT&T and am thinking about selling mine and importing the Telus version.
Can't find the Telus version anywhere on the web other than ordering from the telus website which does NOT ship outside of Canada.
I guess they will start popping up on eBay very soon.
I am asking a friend of mine who lives in Canada to get one from Telus directly.
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Oh, excellent! Leave it to XDA to have clear answers in under 3 hours... vs days of unanswered questions elsewhere. Thank you so much, tsekh501. So, the Hero100 = Europe/Asia model = UMTS 900/2100 = Picture #2. Is this also known as HTC Hero A6262 Quadband 3G HSDPA GPS ? Because the designation "A6262" is the most common way the HTC Hero is denoted at various online vendors' sites.
The likelihood of my ever contracting with AT&T is so slim -- I plan to never forget their lead role in the domestic spying on every single person in the United States for all phone & internet traffic. This is why I never went for the iphone.
... But in the event I fell and hurt my head and lost all memory of their criminality, it would be best for me to wait a few weeks until the AT&T branded phones hit the secondary marketplace and are made avail online, unlocked ? (Scratch that. (a) I could not stand to look at that logo everytime I used the phone, and (b) their 3G network is so overtaxed and under-resourced, AT&T has actually been thinking of throttling usage of high-data users like iphone subscribers)
I see that now:
(This sounds pretty snide... but who knows, maybe given the Hero's older processor, compared to the new Motorola DROID and the HTC Leo, maybe it's true
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Thanks -- my first thread in the Hero forum and a home-run reply in post#2. Thanks very much!
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The 'older' processor of the Hero? How new is the DROID's processor going to be? Read this review and see for yourself:
http://nerdworld.blogs.time.com/2009/11/05/motorola-droid-review-verizon-wireless/
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There exists a Hero with the name of (1) T-Mobile G2 Touch, which is basically (2). But there does NOT exists a Hero with the spec listed for (1) above. T-Mobile G2 Touch is (2) branded for T-Mobile in Europe and is NOT compatible with the 3G network of T-Mobile USA.
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Errhhh - that is what I said!
Item 1, the T-Mobile G2 Touch does exists - it just doesn't support the bands listed under it
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Regards,
Dave
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The 'older' processor of the Hero? How new is the DROID's processor going to be? Read this review and see for yourself:
http://nerdworld.blogs.time.com/2009/11/05/motorola-droid-review-verizon-wireless/
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Well I didn't author the snide comment... CNET did. But here are the specs compared in PDAdb.net:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2011&id2=2061
Best Buy Canada -- now has the Telus Heros for sale (stores only)
It says they are only for sale IN STORES ...
(that last $999.99 is probably meant to be $99.99 -- same as the white phone for 3 year contract; same as on Telus website)
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The Arm Cortex-A8 core at the heart of the Droid is a much more modern design than the Arm-11 core in the Hero's Qualcomm processor. Clock for clock, you can expect it to be significantly faster.
See this article comparing the two cores in the iPhone. Whilst they don't use the same SoC as the Hero and Droid, they are based on the same Arm cores (iPhone 3G - ARM11, iPhone 3GS - Arm Cortex-A8) so the comparisons are likely to be apposite.
Regards,
Dave
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The Arm Cortex-A8 core at the heart of the Droid is a much more modern design than the Arm-11 core in the Hero's Qualcomm processor. Clock for clock, you can expect it to be significantly faster.
See this article comparing the two cores in the iPhone. Whilst they don't use the same SoC as the Hero and Droid, they are based on the same Arm cores (iPhone 3G - ARM11, iPhone 3GS - Arm Cortex-A8) so the comparisons are likely to be apposite.
Regards,
Dave
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Dave, you are a master of info. I'm only 2 days into this Hero forum (after 3 years on the windows mobile forums here), and you really deliver the goods. I look forward to getting my phone. I'm sure this Hero forum will be great for development.
This was very cool to read in that article, so thx for the reference.
A Call to Action
This leads me to a further point: we need more transparency in specs from smartphone manufacturers. The mobile phone market is all too shielded from the performance metrics and accountability that we’ve had in the PC space. When Intel was shipping Pentium 4s that performed slower than the Pentium IIIs they were replacing, we called them out on it. To this day, Apple refuses to talk about the processor in the iPhone 3GS. We get to hear all about what’s in the Nehalem Mac Pro, but the hardware behind the 3GS is off limits - despite the fact that it’s very good. This policy of not delivering specifics and a general unwillingness to talk about specs is absurd at best. It doesn’t take much more than a teardown and some homebrew code to figure out what CPU at what frequency is in any modern day smartphone; manufacturers should show pride in their hardware, or refrain from putting something inside a phone that’s they can’t be proud of.
What we need are cache sizes, clock speeds, full architecture disclosures. They don’t have to be on the phone’s marketing materials but make them accessible and at least some of the focus. These SoCs are so incredibly cool, they pack more power than the desktops of 10 years ago into a single chip smaller than my thumbnail - boast about them! Palm had a tremendous leg up on the competition with its OMAP 3430 processor, yet there was hardly any attention paid to it by Palm. I get that the vast majority of consumers don’t get, but those who do, would help tremendously if given access to this information. It’s something to get excited about.
And if the manufacturers won’t devote time and energy to this stuff, then I will.
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I really don't have any plans of getting the verizon version (Eris) as I feel it was built on the same set as the sprint version and will most likly suck in the battery department as the GSM version does not. Ohwell, hope we see theses soon. I can't find a single shop in canada that will ship to the USA...
Well the contract from when I bought my Tilt two years ago just ended. I will be buying the Telus Hero as soon as I can find one. Then I will research which non-smartphone I can get from AT&T with the biggest turn around on Ebay.
That way I can get keep the cheap data plan I have now and re-coupe some of the cash from paying full price for the Hero.
Hi all
I love my UK HD2 especially since i've put it on Android but unfortunately i have to get rid of it as the limitation on cellular bands is a problem....
Recently moved to Canada where the provider i use (fido/rogers) operates 3G on 850/1900Mhz. The UK HD2 unfortunately does it on 900/2100Mhz so it falls back to the 2G network (GSM) when in Canada which is terrible for speed.
I need a phone which can do 850/1900/2100Mhz which i believe the Samsung Galaxy S Captivate and the Dell Streak can do.
Wondered if anyone had any opinions on these android phones or other phones which might suit? I need something as close as poss to the HD2 with the large screen, slim design but something that runs android only. I dont like the Desire Z.
Appreciate any advice
Latz
As far as size goes you can't go wrong with the Dell Streak. Haven't read the reviews on that one yet but I have heard its a good phone. Myself, I would go with the Captivate if thats an option on Fido. Or see what other good Android phones they have. Really though, no matter the choice you'll find support on these boards. Hope your search goes well.
Cheers
Dell streak is big , but too big if you really want to use it as a phone, having personally used it, its way big when using it daily, plus you have to carry it in your hand, Captivate, Bell Vibrant or Desire(screen is small)
id say if u really love yer HD2 then get the telstra T9193 version. thats the same bands as AT&T, rogers, the telstra one works here for me just fine. i just bought mine off ebay thursday and picked it yesterday. guy was locally in chicago couldnt belive it!!
EDIT: i just sent u a link to one being sold in canada right now
Desire HD?
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Desire HD?
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When I was in Canada, March 2010, they were having a launch party for the HTC Hero. It had been out in the UK for months, after looking at the selection of phones in Fido, Rogers and Bell, I decided that Canada was at least three months behind the curve. Although, that's just my opinion.
In light of that, I'm unsure if the Desire HD is out in Canada, I'll ask the missus to have a look.
Thanks for all your suggestions, I need something that can do all 3 bands else it won't work when I go back to the UK :-( I think the Telstra version of the HD2 is band limited too so whilst it will work in Canada I'll have the same problem in reverse when I go back to the UK :-(
Why oh why did they limit these phones :-( :-(
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll look at all that you guys have suggested so far... I'll be really upset to leave HTC though.... I'll have a 'normal' phone :-(
Nokia N8 Pentaband, thats the phone you want
My Hero worked in the UK and Canada, but it's not a replacement for the HD2 by any means. I don't know what to suggest, except looking for the bands and typing them into Google, with your other specs. I know my friends Desire worked there too (I say Canada, I mean Vancouver specifically).
I'd say go for the Samsung Galaxy S. It's an awesome device and it doesn't seem to be riddled with hardware issues like every HTC phone seems to be lately. I think I'm switching my HD2 to one once I get it back from warranty repairs (third time this year, mind you). The only major thing with the Galaxy S is that the 3rd party software modifications can be a little retarded and the phone doesn't feel as solid physically as a HD2 for example.
Yes I must admit I'm growing more and more partial to the Samsung Galaxy range.... They have a 4" screen so I'm losing a little bit off our HD2 but not too much.
One thing I was concerened about was the benchmarking..... whilst I know this is not something of a real-world concern, it amazed me that the HD2 running Droid from the SD Card could manage no less than 35 MFLOPS compared to the Galaxy's Hummingbird... still spec'd as a 1ghz processor..... managed only 8 MFLOPS?
See article here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/22/...ew-shootout-captivate-for-atandt-and-vibrant/