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Anyway to fix the DirectDraw problem on WM6 phones!!!!

ok well i have the sprint touch... and i love to slingbox to it. THe sports are really choppy but i mean im getting a 300-500 kpbs connection all the time. So i know the speed is fine. I set motion to high on the settings, but... still its rlly choppy. I heard it was a directdraw problem, and is there anyway to fix it. Possibly on the Slingbox end or? what? or spm program, or a hack to wm6 to make it go to another codec, or just a fix in general for wm6??? anyone???

Buy a phone not made by a garbage company like HTC.

nonegiven said:
Buy a phone not made by a garbage company like HTC.
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Says the guy who owns a Touch

aint nothing wrong with HTC!!! its the bloody software thats on them.... grrrs to M$.
When is there gonna be a XDA-Devs FULL ROM (i.e. started from scratch )

mugglesquop said:
aint nothing wrong with HTC!!! its the bloody software thats on them.... grrrs to M$.
When is there gonna be a XDA-Devs FULL ROM (i.e. started from scratch )
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Not bloody microsoft, its htc who did not implement the right drivers for directdraw.
gr. bram

bram_smulders said:
Not bloody microsoft, its htc who did not implement the right drivers for directdraw.
gr. bram
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I agree to you

prodinho said:
Says the guy who owns a Touch
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And who knows how crappy a company HTC is. Figure it out.

nonegiven said:
And who knows how crappy a company HTC is. Figure it out.
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I we think HTC are so crap, then buy something else, iPhone or even Nokia! Then see how much fun you don't have messing with it!

flykthewiz said:
I we think HTC are so crap, then buy something else, iPhone or even Nokia! Then see how much fun you don't have messing with it!
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I wish that I could be as smart as you. Too bad you don't know that it was HTC who decided not to include the correct drivers with their WM6 phones.
Please don't make me teach you the differences between GSM and CDMA networks.

nonegiven said:
I wish that I could be as smart as you. Too bad you don't know that it was HTC who decided not to include the correct drivers with their WM6 phones.
Please don't make me teach you the differences between GSM and CDMA networks.
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I am not getting into a discussion over this!!! What I was saying is that there are so many people complaining about HTC yet we all still have them so we must like them.
Either stop winging about it and accept that HTC have got a number of things wrong or go and get something else!!

flykthewiz said:
I am not getting into a discussion over this!!! What I was saying is that there are so many people complaining about HTC yet we all still have them so we must like them.
Either stop winging about it and accept that HTC have got a number of things wrong or go and get something else!!
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So if you have a girlfriend and that you didn't know was a ***** before she became your girlfriend, you still have to like her?
No way man.. I'll f*ck with her as much as I want then I'm getting a new one. LOL
Same goes with my phone.
I won't go with "we all still have them so we must like them" crap.

flykthewiz said:
I we think HTC are so crap, then buy something else, iPhone or even Nokia! Then see how much fun you don't have messing with it!
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Um, you can mod the iPhone and it's amazing. Blows my slow Tilt away. Glad I use both cause this Tilt is the size and shape of what its almost good for. Paper weight!

Back to the topic at hand...
I don't know how the encoding of the slingbox works, and if you can modify the encoding settings, but i managed to stream from via VLC with the following scenario:
My Dreambox -> My PC (VLC Transcoding to qVga) -> Internet -> WiFi -> HTC Herald (VLC Client).
I don't remember the bitrate when i tested it, but my connection at home caps at 256Kb upload, so that means the stream was on a somewhat lower bitrate.
If you can modify the Slingbox encoding settings and play with them, maybe drop the quality somewhat shouldn't you be able to view the stream?
ps. if something above doesn't make sense, i just woke up

flykthewiz said:
I we think HTC are so crap, then buy something else, iPhone or even Nokia! Then see how much fun you don't have messing with it!
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lul @ gay..
dude, there's golden era ppc world besides htc stuff, too.
problem is, that usually, htc machines are crap with omap or samsung cpus.
all bout that.

It seems like my (newish) HTC Touch Rom with WM6.1 doesn't use DirectDraws at all.
I did some remote debugging on it, and while I am not a mobile programmer all indications were that this was a sigificant change from WM 6.0. (I.e. call stacks during video playback newer show directDraw, while in the past they did).
Personally I really like my Vogue. It seems to get the most trash talk of all of the HTC's, but it works for my needs tastes better than anything else I have owned.
To be fair, my last phone was back in the WM5 days, so that last statement is not exactly a fair coparison.

Documents & Reader Tab Unlikely from Official HTC ROM

I have just received a message back from HTC after I asked if there were going to be Reader & Document tabs in any upcoming ROM upgrades.
Here is the response;
Dear Richard Thank you for your enquiry about ROM features. At the moment we are working together with Microsoft to bring new features in place in the next upgrades and upcoming products but we cannot include the current options included in some mobile networks as this is part of their exclusiveness and brand agreements. Please fell free to subscribe to HTC eClub at http://www.htc.com/www/eclub/ so that you can receive upcoming news regarding your device or follow us on www.twitter.com/htc If there's any other enquiries, please let me know by responding using the link provided and I will be happy to check for you. Best regards, Pedro Santos HTC

I like this:
"At the moment we are working together with Microsoft to bring new features in place in the next upgrades "
What is it what they are working on with Microsoft? Lol , let the rumours start.

I have just replied to him asking for any info & mentioned Win Mo 7. I'm sure i'll get nothing out of them but always worth a try.

richardirv said:
I have just replied to him asking for any info & mentioned Win Mo 7. I'm sure i'll get nothing out of them but always worth a try.
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Let us know...

As expected here is the response;
Hi Richard Thank you for your contact once more. Unfortunately due to enclosure agreements we cannot provide any informations before a press release on our website. Please fell free to subscribe to HTC eClub at http://www.htc.com/www/eclub/ so that you can receive upcoming news regarding your device or follow us on www.twitter.com/htc Best regards, Pedro Santos HTC

richardirv said:
As expected here is the response;
Hi Richard Thank you for your contact once more. Unfortunately due to enclosure agreements we cannot provide any informations before a press release on our website. Please fell free to subscribe to HTC eClub at http://www.htc.com/www/eclub/ so that you can receive upcoming news regarding your device or follow us on www.twitter.com/htc Best regards, Pedro Santos HTC
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Nice, those conversations. Always something to interpret in one way or the other. Let us assume the HD2 doesn't get an upgrade for WM 7, then what? They cannot provide any information about that because of enclosure agreements? No, that's impossible So..... HD2 definitely gets an upgrade LOL

6.5.x maybe
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Nice, those conversations. Always something to interpret in one way or the other. Let us assume the HD2 doesn't get an upgrade for WM 7, then what? They cannot provide any information about that because of enclosure agreements? No, that's impossible So..... HD2 definitely gets an upgrade LOL
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miri said:
6.5.x maybe
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That is making so much more "Sense". (punch intended) I mean what do we have to do with our nice battery covers when there's a upgrade to WM 7?

appelflap said:
That is making so much more "Sense". (punch intended) I mean what do we have to do with our nice battery covers when there's a upgrade to WM 7?
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Because of the 'With HTC Sense'? Yeah that would be failure. Maybe just wright the word 'NOT' with a pen. 'With HTC Sense. NOT' xD
Anyway, from what I am reading it is clear that they are thinking about what to do with the HD2 regarding WinMo7. I think HTC will make some kind of new 'Sense' interface for WM7. MicroSoft just wants to sell the first Windows Phone 7 Series without to much 'Sense/TouchWiz' etc. To give the HTC HD2 owners a custom WM7 version with some kind of Sense on top would not effect them that much I think. And, again, we HD2 owners would be a good 'test' for them to see how Sense + WM7 works out.
Or else, during a meeting somebody goes 'you know what, let's just stop thinking about it. We are giving them 6.5.3. That's enough. The e-mail guys will get payed double this month to reply to all the hate messages'.

appelflap said:
I like this:
"At the moment we are working together with Microsoft to bring new features in place in the next upgrades "
What is it what they are working on with Microsoft? Lol , let the rumours start.
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For example finally fw version without annoying bugs I hope.
But anyway I really feel like something is cooking because for our region there is still no 1.66 version almost month after released everywhere else.
1.Maybe because it makes no sense for them to port the bugfixes for our region when some bigger upgrade is coming (like 6.5.x?) or …
2. they are just do not care about our stupid problems to use their devices.
I hope it is No.1

XDA mark said:
I think HTC will make some kind of new 'Sense' interface for WM7.
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Or not considering MS requires the OSs' home screen to be intact bar any OEM customization. Basically that means the screen as we've seen it will stay as is but HTC will likely add custom 'live tile's such as weather or stocks and change the 'default' colors.

Dual-Boot HTC HD2 Windows Mobile/Android

Hey I am new to flashing. I have changed the roms on g1's, and on the nexus one per different youtube vidoes and stuff i have read in this forum.
Yesterday i purchased the HD2 and to my horror found out that it was running on Windows Mobile (WTF). So i have been loking around and I saw that in the past the forum has been able to get Touch Pro 2 that run on WM6.5 to dual boot into android.
So I am hoping that the same can be done with the HD2. So is the HSPL2 listed in this forum the beginning steps to this process or what? Has anyone yet setup the HD2 to run on android?
I know this is wordy but I just want to make it understood that I am new and I want to learn and that I have the desire to get android on my HD2.
thanks any suggested reading is welcome as the steps to get android on this awesome phone that HTC FUBAR'd with WM6.5

The HD2 cannot run android at this time.

oberonblaq said:
Hey I am new to flashing. I have changed the roms on g1's, and on the nexus one per different youtube vidoes and stuff i have read in this forum.
Yesterday i purchased the HD2 and to my horror found out that it was running on Windows Mobile (WTF). So i have been loking around and I saw that in the past the forum has been able to get Touch Pro 2 that run on WM6.5 to dual boot into android.
So I am hoping that the same can be done with the HD2. So is the HSPL2 listed in this forum the beginning steps to this process or what? Has anyone yet setup the HD2 to run on android?
I know this is wordy but I just want to make it understood that I am new and I want to learn and that I have the desire to get android on my HD2.
thanks any suggested reading is welcome as the steps to get android on this awesome phone that HTC FUBAR'd with WM6.5
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No, it's not quite there at this time. However, while I understand your opinion, I don't think HTC "FUBAR'd" at all. I've had a few Android devices and this phone is AMAZING, even with WM.

this has been discussed already at length.. if you look in the ROMS section of the forum you'll find it ..
And it is NOT going to happen soon..

Android on the HD2 will be amazing! Hopefully they can get it ported by summer to compete with the HTC EVO.

King Royalty said:
Android on the HD2 will be amazing! Hopefully they can get it ported by summer to compete with the HTC EVO.
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i believe that is the plan to see how the EVO goes.. but here's the link to the other thread..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637029

...this is not true,
There is an engineer at the local Tmobile call center dual booting Android and winmo. He runs Android off of the card itself. The phone that is dual booting is at the kiosk at the LaPlaza mall in Mcallen TX and has been used as their demo phone.
How is he doing it? I have no idea, but hes told myself and a Tmobile sales buddy that he'll help us out with it.

So, you purchased the phone without realizing its a WM phone, and have the balls to complain, all because you didnt read, and now are asking if you can put android on it...lazy much?
I suppose you want someone to flash it for you too, or better yet start another thread asking how to do that...

Didn't you see the windows mobile on the box...

tuck4x4 said:
...this is not true,
There is an engineer at the local Tmobile call center dual booting Android and winmo. He runs Android off of the card itself. The phone that is dual booting is at the kiosk at the LaPlaza mall in Mcallen TX and has been used as their demo phone.
How is he doing it? I have no idea, but hes told myself and a Tmobile sales buddy that he'll help us out with it.
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You're saying he's booting android on a hd2? I doubt it. Are you sure its not a TP2? There is an andriod port for the TP2.

I'm not sure how you purchased the phone without knowing the underlying OS, but I'm guessing you bought it in the US for Tmobile. If that is the case, and I'm guessing it is, then you can't flash any ROMs for it yet because of the different SPL.
tuck4x4 said:
...this is not true,
There is an engineer at the local Tmobile call center dual booting Android and winmo. He runs Android off of the card itself. The phone that is dual booting is at the kiosk at the LaPlaza mall in Mcallen TX and has been used as their demo phone.
How is he doing it? I have no idea, but hes told myself and a Tmobile sales buddy that he'll help us out with it.
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I seriously doubt this. Maybe you had it confused with an HD or a TP2, but I doubt xda wouldn't know about this...especially since it's most likely to originate here. A picture to prove this would be great, but I don't expect it.

zarathustrax said:
You're saying he's booting android on a hd2? I doubt it. Are you sure its not a TP2? There is an andriod port for the TP2.
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it sounds sketch but a guy at my tmobile told me that HTC had given one of the coworkers a website run by themself that had android software for the HD2. So hearing that i find it believable.

zstjohn said:
it sounds sketch but a guy at my tmobile told me that HTC had given one of the coworkers a website run by themself that had android software for the HD2. So hearing that i find it believable.
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Oh hey, it's another case of "A moron rep was spewing nonsense and i actually believed him." Go back and ask the rep if he could show you WP7S running on HD2.

lude219 said:
Oh hey, it's another case of "A moron rep was spewing nonsense and i actually believed him." Go back and ask the rep if he could show you WP7S running on HD2.
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Look, senor tinyballs. If you don't like what i have to say then ignore it. Here-say is here-say i never said it was fact.

zstjohn said:
Look, senor tinyballs. If you don't like what i have to say then ignore it. Here-say is here-say i never said it was fact.
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it was enough for you to believed him.

Someone please close this thread, it's going nowhere useful. Destination Flameville.

foney said:
So, you purchased the phone without realizing its a WM phone, and have the balls to complain, all because you didnt read, and now are asking if you can put android on it...lazy much?
I suppose you want someone to flash it for you too, or better yet start another thread asking how to do that...
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Bro are you for real?! Please dont waste my time with that smart mouth crap unless you are adding solutions along with it. I am not knocking your opinion I am just stating that maybe you should adjust the delivery system. Cause we both can play the a$$hole game and I promise you thats one I will not lose. So be constructive or dont post.
thanks

oberonblaq said:
Hey I am new to flashing. I have changed the roms on g1's, and on the nexus one per different youtube vidoes and stuff i have read in this forum.
Yesterday i purchased the HD2 and to my horror found out that it was running on Windows Mobile (WTF). So i have been loking around and I saw that in the past the forum has been able to get Touch Pro 2 that run on WM6.5 to dual boot into android.
So I am hoping that the same can be done with the HD2. So is the HSPL2 listed in this forum the beginning steps to this process or what? Has anyone yet setup the HD2 to run on android?
I know this is wordy but I just want to make it understood that I am new and I want to learn and that I have the desire to get android on my HD2.
thanks any suggested reading is welcome as the steps to get android on this awesome phone that HTC FUBAR'd with WM6.5
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wow, to buy a phone and later realize what os it's running on. that's just realy wow.
oberonblaq said:
Bro are you for real?! Please dont waste my time with that smart mouth crap unless you are adding solutions along with it. I am not knocking your opinion I am just stating that maybe you should adjust the delivery system. Cause we both can play the a$$hole game and I promise you thats one I will not lose. So be constructive or dont post.
thanks
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you want solutions and are talking about constructive? how about using the search button? this question is already been asked like 100 times?

I would just like to thank everyone that replied. I guess i just need to wait a bit longer for the xda big brains to resolve this issue. I just thought that it would have been a simpler thing to do since the HD2 in UK had been flashed to run android. I have plenty on time and money so I can buy another device and wait.
Thanks again all.

oberonblaq said:
HD2 in UK had been flashed to run android
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News to me! I've seen it running on other devices, but even then it's beta, with various functionality still unavailable, WIFI etc.
If you wanted Android, a little research before hand should and would have been wise, i.e. waiting for the EVO to be released.
I like WinMo 6.5. It may not be as pretty as Android or iPhone OS (without the Sense gui which is quite lovely imho) but it's a very versatile and an incredibly powerful tool in the hands of the right user. If you're in a business environment, using Microsoft equipment, exchange servers etc, there is not an more efficient handheld device to carry in you pocket (again, imho).

WP7 on HD2 from XDA.CN and its not hoax!

Great news for me at least as it seems that WP7 on the HD2 is alive and well. Here is a video showing it booting up fairly similar to how we boot up android. It has not been released yet but from the new on this website it is not far off. I assure you it is all very legit and will be here soon. I used google chrome to visit these sites as it auto translates so let the actual countdown begin. this is exciting for me at least as I think HD2 was and still is the best mobile HTC ever made. this thing runs Android, WM6.5 and WP7!
links
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE5OTU0MDY0.html(video)
http://xda.cn/newshow.php?snid=192(video and some screenshots)

Yead and they it will be available by end of the next week... in our dreams of course...

SO when ?!
So when finally we can use one of these WP7 ?!?
it is taking much more than I expected !

yeah it seems to be working, but seems also quite slow/sluggish compared to, say, the hd7. maybe it's due to the boot from sd

howcome in the video the IE tile has nice graphics while on all other phones i've seen its flat like all other tiles...?

well i am just happy it still alive and well. it does seem a bit sluggish but it is out there and will be available soon. it boots off microsd like android so there will be flaws. like android however it will work well. seeing that the htc hd7 had a microsd as its internal memory( pictures on the web to confirm) we should be very optimistic to have this running near perfect on HD2
link(HD7 microsd)
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news6389.html

namiran said:
howcome in the video the IE tile has nice graphics while on all other phones i've seen its flat like all other tiles...?
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i noticed that too! can't answer that just live in hope that we actually get a working build. that to me is progress

Another video link
Another video link
//v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjIwODA2NDQ4.html

E que tal este novo vídeo ?
vejam pelos vossos próprios olhos
http://bbs.xda.cn/thread-95247-1-1.html

video nr.2 on link
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjIwODA2NDQ4.html
if somebody still think its fake... please call the number

your copy

uploaded the second video to youtube so you dont have to use a proxy to watch it on the chinese website:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXuJlpu3NXU

old build
this looks like an old build that's running on the HD2. that's why the IE icon looks different and also that's why it's slower. the newer builds have performance improvements. let's hope they get the final build running on it too.
also, did you notice the other phone in the video (Mozart) had AT&T branding on the hardware, but Telus branding on the software

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this looks like an old build that's running on the HD2. that's why the IE icon looks different and also that's why it's slower. the newer builds have performance improvements. let's hope they get the final build running on it too.
also, did you notice the other phone in the video (Mozart) had AT&T branding on the hardware, but Telus branding on the software
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Also the HD2 there using in the video is a prototype
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

xmoo said:
Also the HD2 there using in the video is a prototype
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
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what would that mean? how different are these prototypes hardwarewise? if it can run on one of these, does that mean it can run on retail units?

antonsb said:
this looks like an old build that's running on the HD2. that's why the IE icon looks different and also that's why it's slower. the newer builds have performance improvements. let's hope they get the final build running on it too.
also, did you notice the other phone in the video (Mozart) had AT&T branding on the hardware, but Telus branding on the software
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Old build new build who cares man! Fact remains that you dont know. For me a least there is a build and it not surrounded by mystery. Stop trying to pick holes in the thing and accept for what it is........ hope

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Also the HD2 there using in the video is a prototype
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So what if its a prototype its undoubtedly a hd2 and its running wp7 period. Geez

nilsk123 said:
what would that mean? how different are these prototypes hardwarewise? if it can run on one of these, does that mean it can run on retail units?
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Depends on if it's a old prototype (320mb ram) or a newer prototyoe (1024mb ram) or something very newer....
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i just jizzed my pants.
i saw the first and i believed in it but i was still a bit skeptical but now...
AHHHHHHH ITS NOT LONG BEFORE WE HAVE IT! lool
but i sure do hope they release the newer build because the build on the hd2 is one of the older ones and is missing a lot of features!

shingers5 said:
So what if its a prototype its undoubtedly a hd2 and its running wp7 period. Geez
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Sure they'll get it sorted to go to the masses (us) now if they could only find a way of getting it to run from phone and not MicroSD we really would be laughing .
An Arsenal fan living in Liverpool bet you didn't know if to laugh or cry today hey .
The Pool did us a massive favour today good on 'em .

[Q] Windows phone 7 ROM

Hello fellow HD2 users,
i'm a noob at all of this rom stuff and i've seen some great roms out there to try out but with my luck i'll just brick my phone nevertheless i would definitely try the windows phone 7. is there a rom available?please help out this noob
dizz

klazzwon said:
Hello fellow HD2 users,
i'm a noob at all of this rom stuff and i've seen some great roms out there to try out but with my luck i'll just brick my phone nevertheless i would definitely try the windows phone 7. is there a rom available?please help out this noob
dizz
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welcome to xda.
to answer you question, no there is no wp7 rom available for hd2. there are themes that emulate it.
additionally, this has been asked with new threads about it quite a bit...please do use the search function.
again, welcome.

Wow...awesome answer! Saved me the trouble

Really?
I saw a video over on BGR website showing a working port of windows phone 7 on an HD2 Here is the link if you want to check it out, but I would love Windows phone 7 on my HD2 if at all possible.
http://www.bgr.com/2010/11/07/windows-phone-7-ported-to-the-htc-hd2-again-shows-more-promise/

We have all seen that video, and it's currently unknown if that is real, or just an emulator image...because it certainly isn't RTM, nor are the chinese releaseing the image to anyone.

ashasaur said:
We have all seen that video, and it's currently unknown if that is real, or just an emulator image...because it certainly isn't RTM, nor are the chinese releaseing the image to anyone.
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Looks legit running side by side with the HTC Surround though doesn't it? I guess it could be black magic.

ashasaur said:
We have all seen that video, and it's currently unknown if that is real, or just an emulator image...because it certainly isn't RTM, nor are the chinese releaseing the image to anyone.
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Really because to my knowledge XDA China is responsible for the port and video,...Guess I could be wrong...I always am according to the wife LOL

Right, but XDA China is in no way affiliated with XDA-Developers, and the chinese are not releaseing any information on their "port" until, according to their words, "enough people are mad enough that it's not out yet". So yeah, personally I think it's fake.

In another thread, another Chinese guy called the number from the video a couple times and talked to the maker of the video. First he said that if the rom was flashed, there was no way of going back to winmo... then the last time he talked to him he said something about it being false.
What I heard, and what I believe to be true now, is that the Chinese got whole of one of the wp7 test hd2s that m$ used to test and develop wp7. Its well known they used hd2 to test in the early stages, and it doesn't surprise me that one of these devices surfaced. Unfortunately, I have a feeling we will never know for sure what was used for the video. I think we're still a long way away from using wp7 on our hd2.
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zarathustrax said:
In another thread, another Chinese guy called the number from the video a couple times and talked to the maker of the video. First he said that if the rom was flashed, there was no way of going back to winmo... then the last time he talked to him he said something about it being false.
What I heard, and what I believe to be true now, is that the Chinese got whole of one of the wp7 test hd2s that m$ used to test and develop wp7. Its well known they used hd2 to test in the early stages, and it doesn't surprise me that one of these devices surfaced. Unfortunately, I have a feeling we will never know for sure what was used for the video. I think we're still a long way away from using wp7 on our hd2.
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Now that makes total sense, I can see how that could have unfolded.