I've upgraded to Tomal 8.5 and now have the following stats on my home screen:
RAM : 24MB
ROM : 38MB
ExtROM : 10MB
Flash: 12MB
I used to have tomal 8.2 so am used to the flash disk and can see that ExtROM maps to a device named "Storage" but what is "ROM" for, is that free space i can use? This also adds to my confusion over Storage vs Program memory, it looks like ROM = "Storage Memory" and RAM = "Program Memory". Also when you install things it asks you if you want to install to the device or flash / sd card etc. Is "Device" ROM or RAM or some mysterious merging of the two?
ARGH!
What is all this stuff? Basically, where (pending my new 4GB SD Card arriving) should i install stuff? where should i save photos from the camera? Is some of it volatile and some of it non volatile? is ExtROM slooow and Flash fast? This is all a bit freaky
It's amazing what you can find in the wiki. There's tons of interesting answers to loads of questions. There's even a section called Memory Storage Types.
ok, i swear that page wasn't there an hour ago thank you
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I know that JAM has 64 MB ROM and 64 MB RAM. You cant install application in the ROM (unless you cook your own ROM and flash it).
It has also 7 MB Storage, so 64 MB RAM minus 7 MB Storage = 57 MB for Main Memory PLUS program (installed application).
There is a setting in the "Memory" where you can allocate how much to Main Memory and how much to program.
I believe that if you have a lot of main memory your PPC will run faster, just like in PC.
So thats why I use this approach :
- Important (daily usage) applications should be installed in the 7 MB Storage.
- Unimportant applications should be installed in the SD Card
- In the Settings -> Memory, I allocate as much as possible to main memory.
What do you think ?
First of all: The 7 MB \Storage is ROM, not RAM. When you use the bigstorage ROM the \Storage area is approx. 27 MB.
Daily usage in RAM or ROM, unimportant apps/large apps on SD.
Fiddling with the memory slider has only a temporary effect.
so then the big storage is using 20mb from a redundant part of the rom then? as in unless you do the big storage upgrade your have 20mb sitting around doin nothin? and that could be used for programs without using a SD card or puttin them into main memory and therefore allowing you to free up ram while runnin at main memory speed + reliabilty?
Speedn
sorry it was confusing me too
The 20 MB ROM you get extra with a bigstorage ROM contains cabs that are automatically installed after a hard reset, so you have to back them up first if you still want to use them with a bigstorage ROM. Instructions can be found on this forum...
The internal ROM (Storage) is slower than RAM. I'd recommend to use the RAM for very often used programs and today plugins. This is onyl an issue when loading the application (because it's then loaded into the RAM).
Hey all!
I am currently running on 1.50i.96 and am looking at upgrading to 1.60a. I dont seem to need much of on device storage space really, so i guess i'd atleast have the persistent memory benefit from 1.60a (correct me if am wrong here!)
I just unlocked my extended rom. I have a bunch of files sitting in it. The question is, can i back these files up on my computer, and get rid of it to free up space? Would that cause any problems during a hard reset or something?
The next question, how do i install the RAMDisk? Where can i find the installer for the same? Are there any procedures i'd need to follow to set my RAM disk size?
Thanks so very much!
San
i've a question fot you :
Have you read the posts about wm2005 rom in this forum ?
the 1.60 rom have 180 Mb of ram (volatile) and 14.5 Mb of Storage (persistant)
The Extended rom is NOT used by wm2005 , you can totally erase the extended rom and install all you want ....
You can install ramdisk on 1.60 rom but it's non-persistant .
persistant = : if you remove battery , content of persistant memory stay ....
non-persistant = : if you remove battery , content of non-persistant memory don't stay !!
thanks for your inputs TofClock.
I am aware of the fact that the ram disk is not persistent...the word "ram"disk is clear enough!
But i need the ram disk "just in case"...i thought it would make better sense to start using 1.60a only when i'm sure i can get more space in case i need it sometime later...for now 32 megs seems good enough though...
TofClock, by any chance could you mail me the ramdisk cab file ?? Heres my mail address...
[email protected]
Thanks again!
San
hmm...
well 1.60a has:
128MB Program memory
14.5MB Storage memory as system root
16MB ExtendedROM usable as storage
You cannot install RAMDisk on this version of ROM.
Well you can, but it will cause conflicts in the OS.
If you need more storage space, get yourself 1.50i.xx, where xx stands for amount of Program memory.
buzz
Thanks for your reply Buzz!
when I use 1.60a, I'd totally have 16MB+16MB of persistent storage right?
the question is, where do all the common files (DLLs etc.), contacts, messages etc. get installed/saved onto? One of the 16meg partitions right? My main worry is that all these common files, contacts etc. might exceed the 16meg partition that the OS is using...correct or would it??
I'd want persistent storage mainly, and as long as I can install a couple hundred megs of apps onto my storage card, I'm just fine!
thanks again big time
San
What does ROM and RAM means related to the HTC TyTn ?
HTC TyTn ROM = 128 MB
HTC TyTn RAM = 64 MB
When you install application to the "Storage Memory", where will it be installed ? in the RAM ?
What are installed in the ROM ?
Where the default application from the provider (e.g. T-Mobile) are installed ?
Thanks!
gogol said:
What does ROM and RAM means related to the HTC TyTn ?
HTC TyTn ROM = 128 MB
HTC TyTn RAM = 64 MB
When you install application to the "Storage Memory", where will it be installed ? in the RAM ?
What are installed in the ROM ?
Where the default application from the provider (e.g. T-Mobile) are installed ?
Thanks!
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The 128 MB of Flash ROM is broken into two parts:
- 64 MB for "Storage" (think hard disk space)
- 64 MB for "Program" execution (also called "RAM")
Programs reside in storage until they are activated (at which point they are also loaded into RAM). The amount of RAM you have available is what's left after loading the OS.
The carrier apps are also stored in ROM/RAM.
RAM is used to run applications. Its content gets lost on power off.
ROM (Flash RAM indeed) is used to store firmware, to install user applications and to keep data. Its content is kept even without power. "Extended ROM" is also a part of 128MB "ROM".
As I understand, HTC TyTN has NAND flash, and so no XIP and PagePool consumes a lot of RAM, though making things to run faster.
A good reading for beginners is here and here.
I don't like the tendency to call flash memory that is writeable as "ROM" (=Read-Only Memory). IMHO it provides a lot of confusions.
Very good explanation Lurker0, and both articles are worth reading for anyone!
HI!
I have a Orange SPV M600 and I'm wondering why there is only 44MB of ram showed in memory aplet, but when i look at the product information there is shown 64MB, same goes for storage memory in product information it says there is 128MB but in memory aplet it says only 42MB.
Thanks for all the information.
Well, first of 64 MB on the package is always less on the system, just like with hard drives.
It is in fact around 61.3 MB because in real life MB is not 1000KB but 1024 and KB is not 1000 BYTES but 1024.
Then there is the part taken up by the system when its running .
As for storage, keep in mind that half of it is taken up by the ROM (the OS) plus 10MB is taken up by your extended ROM. (Which you can reclaim if you search for the reg settings in the WiKi)
levenum said:
i-mate Jamin
ROM: 2.13.9.23 WWE from 23/2/06
Radio: 1.02.20.21
Protocol 4.1.13.9
ExtRom: 2.13.9.123 (unlocked and used for storage)
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what does mean UNLOECK AND USED FOR STORAGE in ur tagline?
prob means that he removed it to use it for storage space, the way he described to you...
Extended ROM is hidden by default and used by Cell companies to store their customization installation.
In my case (imate ROM) it contains Backgummon, eTrust and old Skype version.
Using reg settings found in the WiKi the ext ROM can be shown and the files can be removed / added through the file manager.
I use it for some stuff I do not want in main storage but can't put on SD.
where can i download the orange mpv600 rom?
i wanna try.
hI,
IS THERE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO MOVE MBs FROM PROGRAMS TO STORAGE?
what do u mean? do you want to move your installed applications in the phone to memory card? nope! it will corrupt i think, you have to uninstall it then re install it. however, some programs which are related to the system (like helmi dialer) will be automatically installed to phone memory....
and if you mean mem as the old 2003 slider for deviding mem between app and storage then no
that vent away when ms made wm5
maybe progs like DOC or flashdisk can merge extended rom with storage if you need more storage
I mean the possibility, having 60 mb for programs and only 3 mb ffor storage, to move for example 10 mb from the first too the last: the situation will become: programs 50mb storage 13 mb.
from where you get 3 mb of storage and aditional 60 mb for programs, in blueangel we have 60 mb storage and 128 mb ram (so called program memory), or maybe you do not have Blueangel device
Please tell us your device and rom version, and you will get advice
anyway storage is flash and as such have a limited nr of write it can take before it dies
if it was used as application ram it would die very! fast
also why is it ppl want so much application ram?
programs take as much ram as they require the fact that there is plenty left dont make them faster at all
free app ram is just empty doing nothing
also BA has 128 MB ram more than most pocketpc's on the market why you need more ?
the problems is i have installed some applications that must be installed on the device; after these operations i stay with the following indications:
storage 3.68 mb (remaining);
programs 60 mb (remaining).
I'll ry 2 applications i found that could zip and unzip automatically all the files (and applications) resident on the device.
I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF I SOLVED THE PROBLEM
success!!!!
SUCCESS!!!
I HAVE USED : POCKET MECHANIC PRO AND MEMMAID.
tHE RESULT AS FOLLOW:
STORAGE USED DECREASED FROM 98% TO 68% WITHOUT UNISTALLING NOTHINGS.an OTHER USEFULL APPLICATION I FOUND WAS swelldisk.
With this one i succeded to increase as follow:
extended rom from 16 mb to 32 mb;
sd card from 2 gb to 4 gb
Swelldisk isn't the best option AFAIK. Try to find in the forum, that was discussed, and few people lost their data from the SD.
laura_kim said:
SUCCESS!!!
I HAVE USED : POCKET MECHANIC PRO AND MEMMAID.
tHE RESULT AS FOLLOW:
STORAGE USED DECREASED FROM 98% TO 68% WITHOUT UNISTALLING NOTHINGS.an OTHER USEFULL APPLICATION I FOUND WAS swelldisk.
With this one i succeded to increase as follow:
extended rom from 16 mb to 32 mb;
sd card from 2 gb to 4 gb
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Sounds interesting. Can you explain how you did it.
THEY HAVE MANY TOOLS BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IS IN POCKET MECHANICH AND IS CALLED "STORAGE"; IN FEW WORDS YOU CAN CHOOSE A FOLDER/APPLICATION ON THE MAIN STORAGE AND DECIDE TO MOVE TO A SD CARD.
any reference to this original forlder (also registry keys) change their behaviour/pointing action to the new "location"
laura_kim said:
SUCCESS!!!
I HAVE USED : POCKET MECHANIC PRO AND MEMMAID.
tHE RESULT AS FOLLOW:
STORAGE USED DECREASED FROM 98% TO 68% WITHOUT UNISTALLING NOTHINGS.an OTHER USEFULL APPLICATION I FOUND WAS swelldisk.
With this one i succeded to increase as follow:
extended rom from 16 mb to 32 mb;
sd card from 2 gb to 4 gb
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hello
I have the same prob
I have downloaded the progs you used
I don't know how to increase Storaqge mem. like you did...
Please could you tell me the procedures you followed to do that ?
Cheers
"I don't know how to increase Storaqge mem. like you did...", you can't. You can only reduce usage by careful planning...Install programs to storage card, configure IE cache and temp files to storage card..... Swelldisk only work on external storage.
move the cache and all the avaiable dll to storae card: it works
I found a safe way to achieve the above:
1. Create a folder Sotage Card\ Windows
2. Include this folder name in "path"
3. Freely move any DLLs into this folder from \Windows to Storage Card\Windows
I used SKTools for achieving this. I am not sure which DLLs may be required in original \Windows folder during reflashing ROM, though I had absolutely no problem in reflashing with all DLLs moved, but better to move back system related DLLs back to original path before reflashing.
laura_kim said:
move the cache and all the avaiable dll to storae card: it works
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Cache will be recreated if you move the contents to another location, so you dont achieve any thing, rather waste space on storage card. If you really want to do this, change the registry settings too.
Moving DLLs to another location without declaring location name in "path" is incorrect way.
i tried but i dont know how to Include the folder name in "path"
Nishann said:
i tried but i dont know how to Include the folder name in "path"
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Use SKTools free demo version