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X1 ROM on Vista?

I will start by admitting to being a complete novice to the whole WinMo thing, only being attracted to WinMo by the fabulous looking SE X1.
So, onto the question.
Is it possible to set up a virtual machine in Vista, and feed it the X1's WinMo 6.1 Rom? A try before buy type of thing?
I did find an article on T'internet about something very similar, but as WinMo has changed, and MS Virtual PC is the latest, greatest thing, i wondered if anyone has done this, or if indeed it is possible.
Sorry if this is a waste of anyones time, or if it is a stupid idea, but i would like to test out WinMo 6.1 at least, before i buy a phone i might not get on with.
Thanks all.

You could port the ROM to work as an emulator image, but quite frankly thats a huge amount of work and isn't worth it. It won't work in a virtual pc type software because they emulate x86 hardware and WinMo operates on ARM generally.
If your goal is just to check out WinMo 6.1, and not the X1's ROM, you can get the emulators from microsoft.

also not sure the current emulators support that funkey res

Thanks for your infos.
next question, then.
Using these emulators from Microsoft, would i be able to install 3rd party apps onto the WinMo running in the emulator, so i could see if they were any use to me?
Thanks in advance.

yes
you
can

Thanks a lot for a super fast reply.
I shall wander over to MS site, and hunt me down an emulator.

Need visual studio i think

no there is a stand alone emulator too
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...a5-183a-4a1e-a7e2-cc500ed1f19a&displaylang=en

Thanks again for the input, people.
However.
I could not get the stand alone emulator to work, and ended up having to use a free 90 day trial version of Visual Studio 2008.
It is working fine on Vista home premium, and gives me exactly what i was looking for.
All being well, the X1 should be out before the 90 days runs out.
I dare say i shall be back with a few more questions soon.
Hope you are still feeling tolerant by then.

i could be wrong but i think
that visual studio express which is free
also include the emulator

run WM in iphone, Android in PPC???

Is that possible to run WM in an iPhone.
Or run Android in a PPC?
I mean directly flash the ROM into iPhone or PPC.
Not like "running android on Kaiser"
Could anyone do this kind of "transplan"?
We should have a sub forum discuss about it, that make WM, and PPC more fun with it.

People are trying to make andriod to work in emulators on top of windows mobile first because they want it to be stable.
When everything is working stable, developers could look into flashing a andriod rom with andriod bootloader onto a device.
For now it is more important to get everything to work properly.

and about the iPhone.. we still dont know wether its fake or not.. its just a rurmor.. the developer promised it to be released by jan.. till then wait for jan..

i think WM on iphone is fake.............
there are very rare chances of that happenning.......

WM on iphone
there is WM on iphone, Norwegian developer did it,
http://5x5m.com/lp/277/windowsmobile.html

is it going to be freeware???????
i would seriously think about getting an i phone then........

Why would somebody want to have WM on a device which can't be used with stylus?

At the start, I knew that there was something fishy about it. Look at the phone, the bootloader is too "friendly" to be a beta.

hskeik said:
there is WM on iphone, Norwegian developer did it,
http://5x5m.com/lp/277/windowsmobile.html
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"Okay, looks like we (I, the bloggers, the Internet, the Windows Mobile users) were "too excited" (?) by running Windows Mobile on iPhone hardware. As it turned out (thanks for the comments and E-Mails), the video and the whole story above is a hoax and part of a viral marketing campaign from Sonic Emotion, a maker of surround-sound systems for PCs, handhelds and other things that need surround sound." - Source

There is already Android on PPC. I have it installed on my phone.
http://www.myhtcphone.com/downloads/14-files/3-cab-file-for-automatic-install

wud_e said:
There is already Android on PPC. I have it installed on my phone.
http://www.myhtcphone.com/downloads/14-files/3-cab-file-for-automatic-install
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yes, but it doesnt work very well
I think everybody should now, that there is a "working" androit for windows mobile based devices...

I'm definitely going to try it once its bootable as a seperate OS.
I'm sure the peeps at XDA are going to be successful in porting it on to ppc aswell, so I'm just patiently waiting.
Akshay

There is already android on msm 7200 Chipsets like the Kaiser or Vouge
And it's not an Emulator and run on the ROM.
But you must load the Bootloader "HaRET" on Windows, and after that, Windows mobile is quitted
also, windows mobile is working on iphone wich lags realy

Say WM is flashed onto iPhone somehow. But as Parg said it can't be controlled by stylus. And there is no Dpad, then some application can not be used with that hardware.
Indeed, it makes much more sense to get a Diamond instead of trying to flash WM on iPhone.

Additional to the hardware troubles (stylus, unsupported multitouch, ...), there would be license troubles. Guess you don't want to pay MS for WM on iPhone, even if that was possible, right?
Android, or at least a compatible system, should be possible for every device (at least in theory). However, if I buyed a device including a WM license, I'd prefer a good emulator (or rather VM, similar to the J2ME VMs which allow to use Opera Mini). That way, both WM and Android programs would run fine. OK, bad chance to modifiy the main system interface (start menu + Today screen), but I like the plugin concept of the Today screen anyway...

bobosky520 said:
Is that possible to run WM in an iPhone.
Or run Android in a PPC?
I mean directly flash the ROM into iPhone or PPC.
Not like "running android on Kaiser"
Could anyone do this kind of "transplan"?
We should have a sub forum discuss about it, that make WM, and PPC more fun with it.
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iphone? whats that? wasnt it a fad fashion accessory from last year that claimed to be a tech revolution in, well, in, I dont know? lets see, its not a smart phone, not a PPC, not a Symbian, its more a feature phone containing a proprietary operating system with very limited 3rd party support apps and interface.
Why would such a great device want WM running on it? oh yeah I know, it sux and its boring UI would eventually drive you nuts for lack of customization and limitation of available "decent" apps! hahahahhahhahha It'll never run M2D or some of the other awesome skinnable applications or any Linux OS etc, Its just WacOSX and doesnt even provide onboard bluetooth with A2DP holly crap even my 5 year old piece of junk Symbian supports A2DP, in a few months WM devices will be released with Bluetooth v2.1 (700kbps) and soon version 3 speeds up to 480Mbps. carried away sorry

Klael said:
Say WM is flashed onto iPhone somehow. But as Parg said it can't be controlled by stylus. And there is no Dpad, then some application can not be used with that hardware.
Indeed, it makes much more sense to get a Diamond instead of trying to flash WM on iPhone.
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Dpad is not essential for PPC,
usually, apps can direct operate by touching the screen.
the only problem is games, a lot of games have to use dpad as controller.

Mort said:
Additional to the hardware troubles (stylus, unsupported multitouch, ...), there would be license troubles. Guess you don't want to pay MS for WM on iPhone, even if that was possible, right?
Android, or at least a compatible system, should be possible for every device (at least in theory). However, if I buyed a device including a WM license, I'd prefer a good emulator (or rather VM, similar to the J2ME VMs which allow to use Opera Mini). That way, both WM and Android programs would run fine. OK, bad chance to modifiy the main system interface (start menu + Today screen), but I like the plugin concept of the Today screen anyway...
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iphone hardware is not a big problem,
as long as iphone is one device, no matter how many people are study on it, it is one device.
Android on PPC is a problem, there are so many different PPC, which one should we study on?
License is not necessary, Hacking, of course, is not legally with license.

Windows on Advent Vega

Hello im new to android i have a advent vega but will love it to have some sort of windows on it if anyone has any ideas or if this is possible please post thanks

Apparently the next version of Windows will be able to run on ARM processors such as the Tegra 2 in the Vega. I doubt it'll end up on the Vega, though someone might port it over.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

If we do get windows on vega, would be able to install windows software such as skype,msn etc i probaly guess so but please correct if im wrong

I would be very surprised if windows will ever come to our vegas. Memory i would say is the main issue, xp would be the only one able to run with 512mb of ram, and that has poor touch screen support. I am running windows 7 with 1gb of ram (min system req) on my laptop, and it runs very slow. As far as i am aware even the netbook version needs 1gb. Be happy with android.

I wasn't really talking about windows 7 (although i would like that) but windows CE or windows mobile.
PS . As I said I only want it for the software.

yioti said:
I wasn't really talking about windows 7 (although i would like that) but windows CE or windows mobile.
PS . As I said I only want it for the software.
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Won't ever happen, windosws mobile is all closed source. Android is much better anyway, just get used to it

Agreed, winmob on the vega prob wont occour.
I too, miss some great apps and games which doubtfully will ever appear on andriod. The android gaming community, seems a little shallower than the wince lot.
I stll keep my htc touch and diamnd 2 specifically because of this.
Rgds
F

android
i think if we can get android 3.0 (or whatever the numbers will be) on our vega's, its more then enough to have enough fun with it, an operating system that does not thing its a smartphone and optimized for tablets. i used many android smartphones before, but using even 2.2 on vega is more fun then any smartphone i think, at least you can read web sites and not harm your eyes
PS : i have a joojoo tablet too, which runs win7 and i think android is better and faster on a tablet like vega ( tegra2 tabets).

Some of the cheap import tablets like the Zenithink ZT-180 have roms for WinCE - but from what I have read nobody really uses them since even WinCE is pretty poor as a tablet OS (well, that and the ZT-180 is pretty rubbish!).

as a student you can get the windows embedded 7 development kit for free, that should be able to run on the advent vega but my knowledge isnt yet sufficient to build and deploy a rom in order t test it

I honestly don't understand this kind of question:
You have Windows a system built for PCs and to be operated specific using keyboard and mouse.
And then you have Android a system built for mobile devices to be operated specific with a touch screen.
I guess the question is not IF it's possible, but WHY in a hell would anyone even bother porting it?
Do you miss msn and skype? I got news for you, just download Skype and eBuddy from the market. Solved!

Budius said:
I honestly don't understand this kind of question:
You have Windows a system built for PCs and to be operated specific using keyboard and mouse.
And then you have Android a system built for mobile devices to be operated specific with a touch screen.
I guess the question is not IF it's possible, but WHY in a hell would anyone even bother porting it?
Do you miss msn and skype? I got news for you, just download Skype and eBuddy from the market. Solved!
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What about office tools? i have yet to find a decent word processor that retains all (or most) of word's features.
sadly, while gdocs looks lovely, writing documents is still a pain..

Although I also wish that I could do some serious work on my tablet / smartphone, you simply can not do it (too small screen => primarily wasn't meant for this kind of job, but it's great in mobility and therefore "valuable information on the go").
Tablets & smartphones are used to consume / present information and PCs / workstations are used to generate that information.
I have also tried all kind of Office software (QuickOffice HD, Polaris Office, Docs To Go, GDocs,...), but reality is that generating information on Android is 30-50% slower than on a 20" monitor with keyboard & mouse hooked on a PC.
Yes, you could make a new office software on Android that would need a keyboard, mouse & external monitor, but that would defeat the purpose of mobility.
And sadly there is no such good software on Android with so many funtionalities that are found in Microsoft Office.
IMHO you can do up to 30 minutes of work without problems, for anything above that, please do yourself a favor and use a PC.

This something that may interest you. Only on ipad as of now, but I am sure will be on android soon.
Stokesy
Edit OK can't post a link... search windows thin client via on live.

Yes, I already heard of that tech.
It's something like remote desktop (but a bit better).
http://desktop.onlive.com/overview
Will see how this performs in real life when it's released for Android.

stokesyblack said:
This something that may interest you. Only on ipad as of now, but I am sure will be on android soon.
Stokesy
Edit OK can't post a link... search windows thin client via on live.
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And that time is NOW!
OnLive Desktop is now available on Android:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.onlive.desktop
For free registration and more info, check my above post!
I would like to hear your thoughts on this software!
EDIT: It appears the download is US only.
Here is a link to APK file.

Hmmmm interesting I am downloading now
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Yani, its a good app, have you tried? I will use this all the time when I use my Vega during work. I find the windows apps quite poor on Android (I uses docs to go). This is great for reading and creating basic files. There are a few problems I have found so far.
1. The UI is not really designed for touch screen, I used with my docking station, keyboard and mouse but still was hard to click on the right part due to the alignment being off slightly on the mouse pointer.
2. Docs saved to the virtual desktop can be downloaded from a site called files.onlive.com. However when you try to access this site it says 'only available in USA'. So might be a nightmare to get off what you have created.
What do you think?
Stokesy
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stokesyblack said:
Yani, its a good app, have you tried? I will use this all the time when I use my Vega during work. I find the windows apps quite poor on Android (I uses docs to go). This is great for reading and creating basic files. There are a few problems I have found so far.
1. The UI is not really designed for touch screen, I used with my docking station, keyboard and mouse but still was hard to click on the right part due to the alignment being off slightly on the mouse pointer.
2. Docs saved to the virtual desktop can be downloaded from a site called files.onlive.com. However when you try to access this site it says 'only available in USA'. So might be a nightmare to get off what you have created.
What do you think?
Stokesy
Sent from my Vega using Tapatalk
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Sorry, but I haven't used this myself.
If you read my signature, I'm still on stock Froyo and this app needs at least Gingerbread.
I've read only good things about this.
I use QuickOffice for documents, but I only view documents, and these android office apps aren't even good at that!
But I've tried OnLive (for gaming) on SGS and it's amazing!!!!111one
Now to get some answers for your questions:
1. I think you need to restart your OnLive desktop in order to fully accept your mouse&keyboard input.
2. I went to https://desktop.onlive.com/account/myfiles and uploaded a doc file and then redownloaded it without a problem. I'm from Slovenia - EU and I've used Firefox on a PC with Ubuntu/Linux OS.

hi lats how to install im write my email address and nothing why sombody help mi?thanks

WM on an Android tablet?

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but is it possible to run WM on an Android tablet?
At the moment I have an HTC HD2 running WM and use a load of Apps that would great on a bigger screen, EBook reader etc the problem is they are WM only.
I know nothing about Android beyond that I can get a cheap one on eBay that would do all I want if I could get WM 5+ on it.
Is this possible?
Many thanks

I'm not sure about the whole running on a tablet thing (though it's a nice idea), but one thing I have learnt, is that a lot of WM software don't do any checks on display size. My phone is WQVGA (240x400), and very few things actually use the screen correctly (mainly graphical ones such as emulators and games. ScummVM works nicely though)

my "answer" is just: WTF??? WM on a tablet....instead of android...?
and my advice is to try android a bit and you will find it very intuitive and handy and you will never wish to go back to WM

TBH I have not had the chance to play around with Android so that is good advice.
The problem is that some of the apps I need are WM only and do not look like will get an Android or WM7 update.

mec1234 said:
TBH I have not had the chance to play around with Android so that is good advice.
The problem is that some of the apps I need are WM only and do not look like will get an Android or WM7 update.
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apps like?
there is pretty much a replacement for every app
i only didn't find replacement for SMath studio...which is a very powerful math application
since you have HD2 go to hd2 android section and try out SD card roms (not NAND roms since you will have to delete WM) and play a bit with the android SD rom and see if it suits you
EDIT: here you go, you can find and learn everything over here http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=735

ok, i have the same question.
is there anyone out there who could give an answer?
i am a big fan of WM (have a htc touch pro) and not a big fan of my mid-tablet with android 2.1
the point ist - until android is ready to connect to ad-hoc wlan it is just *****.
so i would love to change the OS from Android to WM...

Doubt will ever be possible.
His bit a windows powered tablet.

(Multitouch in Android builds) - (WinMo emulator in Android)

I'm asking this here since we are those lucky guys who probably tried all kind of builds/bases on Android (evo, desire, nexus1,desire HD,....) and Winmo builds! So logically we know the most about these 2 topics:
1- Does the multitouch experience change from base to base in android!?
What i mean is, have you ever tried to play a multitouch game on Evo base, Nexus1 base, desire base...??? Is it the same experience?! Are multitouch drivers the same in those android HTC devices?!? If not, which in your opinion has the best multitouch drivers?!?
2- Is there is some kind of emulator of Winmo in Android?!?
I mean there is some apps/games that are only available @ Winmo, is there is a special way (emulator or other if possible) to run those on an android device?!? If not, To devs and advanced users, do you think this can be done?!? What does it take to do it?!
Thanks guys!

1) I've tried Nexus, Evo & Desire and there wasn't any differences. There is a calibration tools in some builds with Sense but sensitivity was equal.
2) There is no emulator. In Linux world we have Wine witch can run Windows apps but there is nothing with Windows Mobile support.

crow6 said:
1) I've tried Nexus, Evo & Desire and there wasn't any differences. There is a calibration tools in some builds with Sense but sensitivity was equal.
2) There is no emulator. In Linux world we have Wine witch can run Windows apps but there is nothing with Windows Mobile support.
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Thanks 4 ur reply!
However i have read somewhere that Nexus 1 multitouch driver is a bit "faulty", if it's the right word!
IMO all these HTC devices have bad multitouch drivers! I sometimes have some struggling to play let's say Fifa2010 because i take off my left arm from "move pad" but the dot still at its place until i take off my right arm from the "A & B" buttons! So i realize that it's interfering one touch at 1 place with another touch on another place! Of course that doesn't happen all the time but it happens!
About 2), excuse my ignorance bcz i know nothing about Linux, but is it so difficult to make this "Wine witch" work on android devices to be compatible with Winmo?!?

1) I thing we have us own MT driver. Every screen & digitizer (or however its called) should have diff driver to work. But not 100% sure - it's possible we have screen & digitizer same as some other phone...
Multitouch in hd2 is locking when You have two finger in these same line (vert or horiz). To work You should move one of Your finger to leave common line (that "line" is quite fat!). I suggest try some MultiTouch Demo App from store - it's free and shows how its working in our devices.
2) Windows on PC and PPC are quite diffirent. I think its possible to make "Mobile" Wine but it's a _lot_ of work. And it's not 100% legal (Windows source isn't open). Moreover emulator will be a bit slow and laggy. And of course some apps will work, some not and some will hang Your phone

Hopefully cotulla will finish the sd bootable version of winmo soon... I know he's working on one that we can use with magldr to boot from sd. So with that we can have wp7 or android on nand and still be able to boot winmo when we want. Soon we will have quad-booting devices... WP7 on nand, and WinMo6.5, Android, and Ubuntu on SD... and maybe one day have a meego port that works well!