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Maybe Android will really compete now?

I had always felt Android was a little held back because the CEO of Google was on the board of directors of Apple but not anymore.... http://keznews.com/6047_Google_CEO_resigns_from_Apple_s_Board_of_Directors
I wonder if this means Android will get more features that may had been held back?

DynaMight said:
I had always felt Android was a little held back because the CEO of Google was on the board of directors of Apple but not anymore.... http://keznews.com/6047_Google_CEO_resigns_from_Apple_s_Board_of_Directors
I wonder if this means Android will get more features that may had been held back?
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I'm not a director at Google or Apple, but I think I can safely say that it wasn't a case of shared directorate members causing the Android team at Google to leave features out. In other words, it wasn't like Eric Schmidt one day showed up at the Android building and told the engineers there to leave a bunch of features out because Apple said so. The rumors that multitouch was omitted due to Apple's insistence are probably just that-- rumor.

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I'm not a director at Google or Apple, but I think I can safely say that it wasn't a case of shared directorate members causing the Android team at Google to leave features out. In other words, it wasn't like Eric Schmidt one day showed up at the Android building and told the engineers there to leave a bunch of features out because Apple said so. The rumors that multitouch was omitted due to Apple's insistence are probably just that-- rumor.
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Multi-touch was officially added BEFORE he resigned from Apple's Board.
I think there was just too much conflict of interest for him to be effective as a board member.

Android still has a long way to go really before it can really compete at the sharp end. Its maturing at a rapid rate though thanks to its open source nature but to many that can be a double edged blade...
Enterprise users want total security and useability. Only recently we've had VPNs but the data going in/out of the G1 isn't encrypted as far as I'm aware unlike say on the BlackBerry I believe. We now have Exchange support but I don't know how robust it really is since I don't have an exchange server to test it on.
As for the multi-touch stuff, it is rumour but then I've read that somehow Apple won the patent for it, which is as ridiculous as Sega winning the patent for "alternate views in a 3D space".
Things are developing fast though considering Android's conception and hopefully in a year or two it will be mature enough on all levels.
EDIT: Just announced that Android has been ported for MIPS devices! MIPSAndroid.org You do have to register though. At the moment it is for private users only but soon it will be made public. Why is this good? Because Android could be used in multimedia set-top boxes, VoIP hardware products, and GPS devices.
However after reading up on ARM, they are set to compete in the "smartbook" range pretty soon which should be interesting. ARM is very good in terms of energy efficiency but then not many native apps are compiled with ARM support Vs say x86 with Intel's ATOM... I'm going off on a tangent ^_^;;

Android now also runs on the new Zii EGG and it seems pretty nice. http://www.zii.com/Developer/Landing.aspx

NeoBlade said:
As for the multi-touch stuff, it is rumour but then I've read that somehow Apple won the patent for it, which is as ridiculous as Sega winning the patent for "alternate views in a 3D space".
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Ok, the patent they won related to multitouch has very specific gestures patented. They haven't patented the hardware, the concept, the idea at all. Just specific gestures, and as this informative article describes, a competitor would have to violate ALL of the parts of their claims in order to infringe on their patent.

I'm trying to figure out, the Zii Egg is just a handheld computer right? Nothing else really?

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I'm trying to figure out, the Zii Egg is just a handheld computer right? Nothing else really?
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It's a PMP. It's similar to the iPod Touch, PMP plus apps, wifi, etc.

Ahhhhh! Thank you, that's what I was thinking it was. I might pick one up but I really enjoy zunes for music needs and with the Zune HD coming out.

vr24 said:
Multi-touch was officially added BEFORE he resigned from Apple's Board.
I think there was just too much conflict of interest for him to be effective as a board member.
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really? if it was officially added, why doesn't anyone have it yet? or anyone have it working yet?

Apparently multi-touch was added into the Donut branch update.

interesting. I've had multitouch working on my browser and gallery for months now.

kusotare said:
interesting. I've had multitouch working on my browser and gallery for months now.
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your phone is all hacked out though...
but feel free to post a video showing

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Apparently multi-touch was added into the Donut branch update.
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Google is going to disable though. They said they will not officially support multi-touch yet.

Oh, yes, all hacked out. Rooted with a custom rom. WHOA. Wait, what? A custom theme too? OH GOD! A recovery image that allows me to nandroid backup? HOLY CRAP! Apps to SD? STOP THE PRESSES!
Time to complete that whole transformation on a brand new stock G1: 24 minutes...including download time. By the way, did you know that almost every single one of the custom roms on this forum opens up MT? So its not just me, theres hundreds of us that have it.
Oh, and seeing as MT is already available for root users, something tells me they're not just going to randomly pull it unless its causing serious problems.

multitouch
kusotare said:
interesting. I've had multitouch working on my browser and gallery for months now.
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How did you get MT in gallery? Does it com with the ROM youre using? Can it be ported to other ROMs?
I've had MT in browser sometime ago but disabled it since I found out I wasnLt using it (too slow to reflow text) but gallery is another thing, I see it much more usefull to have MT.
TIA

1. It's on my rom.
2. Yes.
3. You'd have to ask the developer.

Apple OS 4 Change-Log

Apple rolls out v4.0 of their iPhone OS for dev preview and finally, multitasking will be officially available. Seems like a lot of changes in security, performance and feature updates.
1. Multitasking (apple claims that its going to be best at this, just like copy/paste). They also admit that it might make the phone's performance sluggish.
2. Phone's notification bar now shows if someone requested for its location.
3. Fast App Switching allows an app to save its session and resume from there later.
4. Drag and drop app icons in custom folders. That means you can now have any number of apps. When you run out of space, just create a folder any drag apps into them. (There is something more but i didn't make what Steve was trying to explain.
5. Unified inbox for several mail clients, including fast inbox switching to focus on a specific client. Attachments can now be opened with a third party app. Support for multiple Exchange accounts and some VPN options.
6. iBooks on iPhone.
7. More privileges to developers including interaction with calendar, photo library, quicklook etc. Over 1500 new APIs and a new framework for hardware accelerated math function (called accelerate).
8. Better gaming with social gaming network.
9. iAds, thats delivers mobile advertisements with emotions (I don't know what Steve meant by this).
10. Create playlists, 5x digital zoom, tap to focus on video, gift apps, geotagging, places in the photo app, change the homescreen wallpaper, bluetooth keyboards, spell checker etc.
There are over 100 new updates, these were the only ones revealed at the event.
Some of the features are really funny, like folders, wallpapers, playlists, geotagging, spell checker. What I don't get is that Android already supports all of these features (other than the iCraps) but new versions of Android aren't as anticipated as iPhone's OS. Seems like Google really needs some good marketing strategies.

Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...

Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?

INeedYourHelp said:
Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?
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Its coming out for current phones this summer...

faraz1992 said:
Its coming out for current phones this summer...
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not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.

I do believe that Apples announcement is very much an update full of catchup!
Certainly pretty much all features announced android can do natively!
The problem I have and i'm by no means an apple fanboy as I have an N1 and love it sinece coming from my 3GS is that the android implementation needs to be way more polished.
Exchange support for me is a biggy and needs to be much better the HTC Desire ROM is much improved over stock google one for the N1 but still room for improvement.
I would like all my email in one exchange and gmail in one app rather than have to flick between two different apps.
but hey!

ap3604 said:
Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...
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I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.

Eclair~ said:
I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.
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Yes, we need to always remind google that it does have flaws, and that it needs improve its core apps.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going to buy a nexus 2 unless that phone wows me just like the n1 did.

jz9833 said:
not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.
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multi on 3GS and the 4th gen

zachthemaster said:
multi on 3GS and the 4th gen
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No multi for 3g??? I thought it had a good processor....

@faraz1992 - Not good enough it would seem.
Looks like iPhone OS 4 is bringing the iPhone up to par with my Nokia 3330 though ;-p
Google really should advertise the Android OS. iPhones are a joke in comparison. Its taken until version 4 to be able to change the home screen?!?! UNBELIEVABLE!

Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons

bobtentpeg said:
Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons
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Ooo "stfu", you are definitely not an immature moron. This is an Android section, obviously the people here will have more interest in Android and more hate in Apple. Even if they are acting like fanboys, their statements are quite true.
This fourth OS is nothing too spectacular - many features it contains are already preset in Android, and many other phone that have been out for a while, now just because Apple is announcing it - it is seen as something of amazement..

Why is this posted in nexus forum?

Doc
Thanks for the post. A very interesting topic indeed.
Even with all the problems I've had with my Nexus One (Touch input indexed incorrectly, Phone locking up during phone calls via Google Voice) I doubt I would ever even think about switching back to the iphone much less actually do it.
That said, I believe Google could benefit greatly by adopting 2 apple iphone platform paradigms (say that 3 times fast)
1) A more rigorous app store review process. Too much crap makes it way to the Android app store in my opinion. Google should review each app to ensure it meets certain quality measurements both in interface design and "under the hood". Apple, and thus the iphone platform, benefits greatly from being able to ensure end users that any app they use from their store will work with the phone and will meet apple's very high (almost too high) quality standards. I doubt very many of us can honestly argue that apple doesn't make a product that is great to use. Apple's stuff glistens and people want stuff that glistens...or at least I do!
2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of mass consumerism but the iphone app store, because of what I said in my first item and because of what I stated in the second lends itself greatly to impulse buying or, at the very least, kills having to debate whether you feel like whipping out your credit card, keying all the information in, submitting, worrying about where your data is going, etc. etc. I can buy with confidence. And when I buy I want to be confident about what I'm getting and I want the process to be fast and simple. the iphone app store is fast and simple.
anyway, again a great topic.

DaveKid said:
Doc
2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process.
anyway, again a great topic.
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But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?

Amdathlonuk said:
But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?
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yes...my bad. It was assumed by me that we all know you don't ALWAYS have to type it in. Also, I believe there is a review process in place but again I assumed that we all know it isn't nearly as rigorous as with the iphone app store.
But I do want to add one more thing. Google should be funneling money into XDA!!!! this site and some others like it are the life blood of the android OS and it's popularization and customization. If Google were smart they would fund the development of the XDA site and get the main players involved on the payroll....(this assumes that anyone involved would actually like to be on their payroll. autonomy does have it's own set of niceties)

DocRambone said:
Why is this posted in nexus forum?
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Its posted in the nexus one forum so that we can make fun of what apple's newest update has to offer. People going crazy about this update because of features like wallpapers, folders and MULTITASKING, something that first generation android phones were capable of...

TechCrunch: "Google To Add Tethering, Wifi Hotspot To Android 2.2 Froyo

Just read it here:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/13/ex...-tethering-wifi-hotspot-to-android-2-2-froyo/

hopefully carriers wont have control

OMG OMG OMG.
I love you Google.

yeah it's up on Engadget and Gizmodo already. This whole next week is going to be great!

And then the carriers come out and spoil it like on the iPhone, you can't tether and stuff.

Mokurex said:
And then the carriers come out and spoil it like on the iPhone, you can't tether and stuff.
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we have the best phone in the world, no one will take control if google who the one sell the phone.

If news are true... It will just mean that Google is just Listening to users demands...instead of crying like Steve Blow_Jobs and the bunch of outdated carriers out there.
Anyway HTC had the usb feature introduced in all its current 2.1 devices, and obviously also in the future ones namely the 4G wich anyway should be the first 2.2 sensed android in the marquet.

That's kind of a low blow for folks selling tethering products like PdaNet and EasyTether, losing the entire market for your product like that. Of course, that's nothing new, as Microsoft put numerous thriving companies out of business by adding functionality to Windows, for instance. That's life for a software developer, though, I guess.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are confusing evo feature set for 2.2 features

@wmm, What about when Google Nav came out in the US? There were quite a few nav programs in the Market when it came out, and Google basically stole the US market with a free product which was orders of magnitude better than the other options out for Android.
I read somewhere that in the Android Market developer agreement that there is some clause saying "tough **** if we come out with something better than yours". Well, we're all better for it, so yay Google.

sweeeeeeeeeeeet.
this is good news for my ipad.

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I wouldn't be surprised if they are confusing evo feature set for 2.2 features
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SenseUI has a black notification bar.

Any ideas or news whether apps2SD will be officially included in Froyo2.2?
I'm really anticipating and wanting apps2SD to be in this update, common Google...

Wow. Everything I want without rooting the phone. Outstanding, if true.

Scholesville said:
Any ideas or news whether apps2SD will be officially included in Froyo2.2?
I'm really anticipating and wanting apps2SD to be in this update, common Google...
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It's been signed off on the android code site, so should be in.

Its the course you take as a SW developer.
Technically youre making money off an OS shortcoming. Default OS apps always get insanely more usage than downloadable apps..especially paid. So the more great features an OS has out of box the better.
BTW This is interesting as Sprint is rumored to be charging 30$ for the EVO hotspotting. Im sure carriers will be turning this off , and IMO it seems as if this may have been an additional reason Sprint/VZ/ATT werent fully behind the N1.

i really want the FM transmitter rumor to be true

i really want the FM transmitter rumor to be true
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+1. This would be very nice.

Can't wait to see the official changelog for FroYo ...

xManMythLegend said:
Its the course you take as a SW developer.
Technically youre making money off an OS shortcoming. Default OS apps always get insanely more usage than downloadable apps..especially paid. So the more great features an OS has out of box the better.
BTW This is interesting as Sprint is rumored to be charging 30$ for the EVO hotspotting. Im sure carriers will be turning this off , and IMO it seems as if this may have been an additional reason Sprint/VZ/ATT werent fully behind the N1.
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Those were my thoughts as well. I know Google has always wanted the nexus to be "untouched" by carriers.

Nexus, W7 Phones, and Irony

Does anyone find it ironic that nearly all HTC phones that are launching as part of the W7 campaign are essentially N1's loaded with w7.
All first gen snapdragons, they all share the N1 styling/materials.
Hopefully we can dual boot w7 due to the similarities. =D

I don't think they are but, I need to see a side by side. I thought most of the new w7 phones had better specs then the n1. But, of we have the best community of any phone out. That is why Google needs to make another dev phone it don't need to be called nexus two......

Check out engadget's front page, mozart,shobert,surround, trophy

Not terribly impressed with the W7 OS. From a UI standpoint, I could see the home screen getting very cluttered and I'm not sure if they have any sort of folder management system either to alleviate that. The multitouch zoom and kinetic scrolling in IE looked fluid but not having text reflow hurts. The Bing app was nice, as was the XBOX Live integration which is cool if you're into that but everything else was very meh. Didn't look awful like previous versions of WinMo but nothing that blew me away either. Still well behind Android and iOS even.

WP7 seems very solid in terms of how it is being handled. I love this quote:
http://twitter.com/edbott/statuses/27039322558
All Windows 7 phones will get updates at same time. Carriers don't get to block. (IOW, this ain't Android)
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I wish Google had the balls to do that.

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I wish Google had the balls to do that.
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Kind of reminds me of my favorite writer online: MG Seigler of TechCrunch
He really is the voice of the people and calls out Google for folding to the carrier demands like a guy with no confidence that gets walked all over by the hot girl (the carriers) that dont care about anyone else but herself
Here is a great article by MG Seigler on Andy Rubin making excuses for Google folding to whatever the carriers demand so that they can stay in bed with the enemy carriers: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/08/android-carriers/
Google really needs to grow a pair and take control of Android. A carrier holding out an OS update just so they can force up to purchase a new phone might be the norm but that doesn't mean its right or should be tolerated by Google

Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?

JCopernicus said:
Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Damn straight.

JCopernicus said:
Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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That's weird I wonder why I even got heated in my post above
I mean hell... thats the whole reason why I got the Nexus One! to not have to deal with carrier games anymore

You meant to say that they cant control android but wield a mighty big stick with gapps didnt you? I tried cm without gapps, pretty much cuts the nuts right off the little android leaving it ineffectual.
in-ef-fec-tu-al adjective 1 Weak. 2 Without satisfactory or decisive effect. 3 Powerless, impotent. 4 Insufficent to produce the desired result.

MS does something right for once in the smartphone arena. Can't we just give credit when it's due?
Text reflow? As far as I know even in CM I have to double tap the browser page to get it to reflow.
The UI looks sweet as hell and not having to worry about carrier tied updates?
Priceless.

I really didn't like the W7 UI, no place for wallpapers and that it's a very negative thing for me

It had a very nice style IMO. I doubt I'll move from my N1, but it's definitely gonna be an interesting game here on out.

ap3604 said:
Kind of reminds me of my favorite writer online: MG Seigler of TechCrunch
He really is the voice of the people and calls out Google for folding to the carrier demands like a guy with no confidence that gets walked all over by the hot girl (the carriers) that dont care about anyone else but herself
Here is a great article by MG Seigler on Andy Rubin making excuses for Google folding to whatever the carriers demand so that they can stay in bed with the enemy carriers: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/08/android-carriers/
Google really needs to grow a pair and take control of Android. A carrier holding out an OS update just so they can force up to purchase a new phone might be the norm but that doesn't mean its right or should be tolerated by Google
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So do you think you can just build AOSP and dump the result on any phone? No, it has to be tailored per-phone.. What changes there are between phones I wouldn't know, not a rom cook, but I suspect the complexity/time needed ranges from trivial to impossible (HW limitations).
So therefore, Google is not going to build, test, and deploy a build for every Android phone ever made. The carriers have NO INCENTIVE to support older phones.. They have gotten better about this, but they still have no reason to do it honestly, it's not like other industries where hardware sales lose money (printers, game systems, many others) and therefore they need to stretch the users experience with the hardware to the max. Phone sales net the carriers extended contracts and money.

JCopernicus said:
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Actually they can, very easily:
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hey Google, we're going to release a phone with Android 1.5, replace your search with Bing, add some crap-ware, and remove a bunch of useful Android features!
Google: Oh really? Too bad your Android phone won't have Gmail, Google Maps, Google Talk, YouTube, Google Syncing, OR the Android Market!
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hmm...​

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Actually they can, very easily:
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hey Google, we're going to release a phone with Android 1.5, replace your search with Bing, add some crap-ware, and remove a bunch of useful Android features!
Google: Oh really? Too bad your Android phone won't have Gmail, Google Maps, Google Talk, YouTube, Google Syncing, OR the Android Market!
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hmm...​
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Verizon doesn't seem to care. This does work though it's how android took off. However, not having gapps is more detremental to Google than carriers. At this point in the game android can survive without native Google applications.

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So do you think you can just build AOSP and dump the result on any phone? No, it has to be tailored per-phone.. What changes there are between phones I wouldn't know, not a rom cook, but I suspect the complexity/time needed ranges from trivial to impossible (HW limitations).
So therefore, Google is not going to build, test, and deploy a build for every Android phone ever made. The carriers have NO INCENTIVE to support older phones.. They have gotten better about this, but they still have no reason to do it honestly, it's not like other industries where hardware sales lose money (printers, game systems, many others) and therefore they need to stretch the users experience with the hardware to the max. Phone sales net the carriers extended contracts and money.
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So basically you're justifying carriers holding off hardware updates so that people can dump their 6 month old phone for a new one just to get from 2.1 to 2.2?
That's BS and you know it.
Android gets a new version every other month, and if they do this and leave older users in the dark with carriers blocking updates, Android is NEVER going to be real competition to iOS.
Hardware is just another BS excuse. 2.2 runs fine on even the HTC Dream.

mynameisjon said:
Android gets a new version every other month, and if they do this and leave older users in the dark with carriers blocking updates, Android is NEVER going to be real competition to iOS.
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Android sold more units in Q2 2010 than iOS, so surely its already real competition?

Is just me or is one of the biggest faults with android the various phone form factors that make it impossible to standardize any accessories? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to be locked into a single phone running android but it seems the phone manufacturers could maybe design their phones so they have common ports for accessories. I guess we are lucky we at least got a desktop and car dock. Even cars are coming with iphone, ipad docks, you'll never see an android dock.

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Google, from a business perspective, doesn't need to control android.
its not its number one priority. yes it could try to twist the carrier's arms, and yes most would fold, but even if only 1 of the big 4 refuses to fold and stops carrying android devices google losses.
google doesnt make money off of android. it makes money off of ads. it just wants you to watch the ads through its portals. you might say they lose that when carriers choose bing over google, but really most of the ads (in apps, around the web) are controlled by google because google owns the online ad market. in fact, they will make money off of the spread of windows 7 phones as well. they entered the mobile business just to make sure neither apple nor microsoft could cut them out of the mobile internet user base and therefore limit the number of users viewing their ads.
btw we are in the nexus one section of xda, which by definition means you cant complain about waiting for updates and carrier and manufacturer crippling. (ha! see what i did there?)

SMS Bug fixes!

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/05/google-android-sms-bug/
Yay google found the bugs that are sending our messages to the wrong people!
Now I will be able to text all the ladies without worrying which one gets which message

That'll delay the GB update a little further then lmao

until we get it as 2.4 hehe

i love it when people post **** like this... "But with the fragmentation in Android there is no guarentee all phones will receive the fix. Am I right?'
its like ever heard of not supporting a phone maker that doesnt put updates out? google puts the updates out on a regular basis for stock android, its just a matter of the ****ty phone makers to actually use the updates that are given to them lol. If you dont buy from them because their product is ****, they will learn and put something better out and keep updating it... i mean how puts a phone out with outdated software? I wouldnt even touch a SGS phone with 2.1... mind you all this does not apply to SE, they are in a world of their own lol

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i love it when people post **** like this... "But with the fragmentation in Android there is no guarentee all phones will receive the fix. Am I right?'
its like ever heard of not supporting a phone maker that doesnt put updates out? google puts the updates out on a regular basis for stock android, its just a matter of the ****ty phone makers to actually use the updates that are given to them lol. If you dont buy from them because their product is ****, they will learn and put something better out and keep updating it... i mean how puts a phone out with outdated software? I wouldnt even touch a SGS phone with 2.1... mind you all this does not apply to SE, they are in a world of their own lol
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Like x10000000
I have the same belief. Don't buy a Motorola cliq and complain you don't have gingerbread yet!
I see it way too often.

i'm curious to see the exact details/code on this bug. its funny how after getting publicity for these bugs google finds a solution rather quickly. but this bug has been in the google forums for literally a year and was kinda "ignored" or not taken seriously.
once it hits the big news sites, its fixed!

Unfortunately Google has their own internal bug tracker, and it does a pretty poor job of keeping the status of bugs in the AOSP tracker updated. Because of that the AOSP tracker does not reveal much about the true priority or progress of bugs.

pfmiller said:
Unfortunately Google has their own internal bug tracker, and it does a pretty poor job of keeping the status of bugs in the AOSP tracker updated. Because of that the AOSP tracker does not reveal much about the true priority or progress of bugs.
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yea this has always been a problem for those of us who like to know exactly what is getting fixed

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JHaste said:
i love it when people post **** like this... "But with the fragmentation in Android there is no guarentee all phones will receive the fix. Am I right?'
its like ever heard of not supporting a phone maker that doesnt put updates out? google puts the updates out on a regular basis for stock android, its just a matter of the ****ty phone makers to actually use the updates that are given to them lol. If you dont buy from them because their product is ****, they will learn and put something better out and keep updating it... i mean how puts a phone out with outdated software? I wouldnt even touch a SGS phone with 2.1... mind you all this does not apply to SE, they are in a world of their own lol
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Agreed! Wish more people thought this way. These manufacturers aren't fooling people, they're simply allowed to get away with it because people line up to buy their non-updated phones like fools.

JHaste said:
i love it when people post **** like this... "But with the fragmentation in Android there is no guarentee all phones will receive the fix. Am I right?'
its like ever heard of not supporting a phone maker that doesnt put updates out? google puts the updates out on a regular basis for stock android, its just a matter of the ****ty phone makers to actually use the updates that are given to them lol. If you dont buy from them because their product is ****, they will learn and put something better out and keep updating it... i mean how puts a phone out with outdated software? I wouldnt even touch a SGS phone with 2.1... mind you all this does not apply to SE, they are in a world of their own lol
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Android Fragmentation is a myth perpetrated by the tech blogs so they wouldn't miss their update schedule.