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12Gb microSDHC vaporware?

I've seen release dated for this larger 12gb memory card fall back over and over ... and now no retail shops are offering a due date of when this memory is to be released.
Did anyone get their hands on a 12gb card?
Was the 12gb skipped over?
Now I see sandisk announcing the soon to be released 16gb next month (June). Are we going to see the same for the 16gb card?

It was always my understanding that SanDisk had made the 12GB card as a proof of concept that was never intended for retail sale -- just something to demo at trade shows until the 16GB cards were ready.

16gigs ... can't wait

SDHC supports up to 32GB.

xmoo said:
SDHC supports up to 32GB.
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affirmative and the TYTN II can read aaaall 32GB of it! This is why smart people use the phone

OMG, what on earth would we need a 32Gb card for???? Theres only so much porn you can watch before someone on the train notices LOL and chances are the battery will die before you see the end LOL
Sorry couldnt resisit
Regards
Jim

i used to think 16Mb RAM chips for my PC were way too much

Uh..
http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Micro-SDHC
12 and 16 GB are already available

acneman said:
Uh..
http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Micro-SDHC
12 and 16 GB are already available
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I don't think they are available yet, when you try to order one, it says "out of stock".
Hopefully we'll see them somewhere in June

the cpu usage will peak to 100% and skip frames left and right with the porn.. so yeah.. that will drain the batteries.. i'll just use my zune =/ hate this damn htc phone. i miss the wizard. it made the tilt inferior in video quality. ugh

Jimllfixit said:
OMG, what on earth would we need a 32Gb card for???? Theres only so much porn you can watch before someone on the train notices LOL and chances are the battery will die before you see the end LOL
Sorry couldnt resisit
Regards
Jim
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Way too funny. You can also hold songs, videos, movies, games, gps maps, programs, not to mention portable pc applications you can use via usb. Of course, you can have loads of porn to (ahem) keep you (and hapy go lucky bystanders, lol) focused until the train arrives. Make sure you have a spare a/c adapter as well. and perhaps the kaiser video driver or update will be a motivating factor to watch/play movies, videos, & games.

12GB????? LOL
"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981

richabi said:
affirmative and the TYTN II can read aaaall 32GB of it! This is why smart people use the phone
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According to that mymemory.co.uk link the TyTnII will only address 8Gb. Is that just that they haven't tested it with any bigger cards? HTC quote 8Gb too.

Betty_Swallocks said:
According to that mymemory.co.uk link the TyTnII will only address 8Gb. Is that just that they haven't tested it with any bigger cards? HTC quote 8Gb too.
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well it is 32, it probably old info

what idiot designed SDHC to only go to 32GB!? We ran into the space problem at 2GB and they thought of only extending it to 32!? We are going to be there VERY soon and wont be able to go over! Whats next? SDSHC (SD Super High Capacity)? I bet they will only extend that to 64GB.

Can't wait for 32Gb - will finally be able to keep all my music in there, synched with my iPod which spends most of its time in the car now.

petard said:
what idiot designed SDHC to only go to 32GB!? We ran into the space problem at 2GB and they thought of only extending it to 32!? We are going to be there VERY soon and wont be able to go over! Whats next? SDSHC (SD Super High Capacity)? I bet they will only extend that to 64GB.
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"It uses the same form factor as SD, but the SD 2.0 standard in SDHC uses a different memory addressing method (sector addressing vs byte addressing), thus theoretically reaching a maximum capacity of up to 2048 GB [2 terabytes]. However the SD Card association have artificially defined the maximum limit of SDHC capacity to 32 GB. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SDHC
Who is to say that 32 GB can't or won't be surpassed in the SDHC format?

Jimllfixit said:
OMG, what on earth would we need a 32Gb card for???? Theres only so much porn you can watch before someone on the train notices LOL and chances are the battery will die before you see the end LOL
Sorry couldnt resisit
Regards
Jim
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TomTom maps of the whole of Europe
Memory-Map Ordnance Survey maps of the whole of the UK @ 1:25k & 1:50K, plus satellite pics
A couple of gigs of MP3s
And a movie or two.
The Memory-Map maps are about 25GB alone.

[Q] Actual space on the Nexus 7?

I was wonder, the OS takes up space, but how much space? I pre ordered the 8 gig but if the OS takes more than a gig or so, I think I'm going to upgrade to the 16 gigs.
What do you guys think or if one of you have it, how much actual space doe sit have?
I searched for it and could not find anything.
Thank You In Advanced.

I think they said in some article that with the 8gb one, with the preloaded magazines and some apps, they had about 5.6gb left over. Hope this helps.
My life for Aiur

ky0nkyon said:
I think they said in some article that with the 8gb one, with the preloaded magazines and some apps, they had about 5.6gb left over. Hope this helps.
My life for Aiur
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Wow, that doesn't leave us with much honestly... I think I have to switch it to the 16 gigs.

You also have to remember that they come preloaded with a movie which will take up a good deal of space
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That's about what it's left on a kindle fire running a cm9 ROM.
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Baconrules21 said:
Wow, that doesn't leave us with much honestly... I think I have to switch it to the 16 gigs.
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I just contacted google hopefully they will let me alter the order to 16gb, if it was just for data 8gb would be plenty for me but as its fixed after purchase for £40 extra it makes a bit of sense to chose the larger size
edit: just looked on my TF101 and Galaxy s2 and, on the tf101 I have 600mb of apps and on the S2 I have about 1gb of apps, so I could probably manage with the 8gb version I will decide what to do when google get back to me

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You also have to remember that they come preloaded with a movie which will take up a good deal of space
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I wonder if the movie is actually stored on the device or if it's kept in the cloud.

Micro USB
The Tech Specs says that the Nexus 7 memory is internal.
pdadb.net says that the Nexus 7 supports up to 32gb of memory.
I've read is several forum responses that the 16gb tablet has a micro SD card and that the 8gb one doesn't, but I've not been able to corroborate that on any of the official web sites.
I'm waiting to read a tear down report to see what is actually inside the Nexus 7 tablet. (Too much unsubstantiated information is being posted in the forums)

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The Tech Specs says that the Nexus 7 memory is internal.
pdadb.net says that the Nexus 7 supports up to 32gb of memory.
I've read is several forum responses that the 16gb tablet has a micro SD card and that the 8gb one doesn't, but I've not been able to corroborate that on any of the official web sites.
I'm waiting to read a tear down report to see what is actually inside the Nexus 7 tablet. (Too much unsubstantiated information is being posted in the forums)
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I haven't held a Nexus 7 yet, but of all the pictures, videos and reviews I've seen there has been no mention of a microSD slot included on the device. That seems like a far cry.

ThunderTech said:
The Tech Specs says that the Nexus 7 memory is internal.
pdadb.net says that the Nexus 7 supports up to 32gb of memory.
I've read is several forum responses that the 16gb tablet has a micro SD card and that the 8gb one doesn't, but I've not been able to corroborate that on any of the official web sites.
I'm waiting to read a tear down report to see what is actually inside the Nexus 7 tablet. (Too much unsubstantiated information is being posted in the forums)
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I've watched quite a few hands on videos.
There is no sd card slot.

Yea everyone is complaining that there is no SD card slot, so I don't think there is one.

Baconrules21 said:
Yea everyone is complaining that there is no SD card slot, so I don't think there is one.
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But if you think about it, everyone who got one at I/O has an 8gb version. Nobody actually owns a 16gb version yet. I know it probably isn't possible, but it would be cool if they added a little more hardware to the 16gb version to help justify the $50 price jump. Either way, it's the one I'm buying.

Solution:
http://www.kingston.com/us/usb/wireless/#wid
This works great. I have the 32gb.

monkeyluis said:
Solution:
http://www.kingston.com/us/usb/wireless/#wid
This works great. I have the 32gb.
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Monkeyluis,
How long is the battery life on your Wi-Drive? How many unique devices can it serve simultaneously?
The Wi-Drive came out (I think) after I bought a Seagate Satellite, or I might have bought the Wi-Drive instead. The pros of the Satellite is that it holds 500gb and can serve unique content simultaneously to about 5 users before it bogs down (with hacked firmware). The cons are that it's a lot bigger than the Wi-Drive appears to be and it's battery is only good for about 5 hours or so. With the lower price of the Wi-Drive, it looks really good -- particularly if it has something approaching 10 hours of battery life.

SoonerLater said:
Monkeyluis,
How long is the battery life on your Wi-Drive? How many unique devices can it serve simultaneously?
The Wi-Drive came out (I think) after I bought a Seagate Satellite, or I might have bought the Wi-Drive instead. The pros of the Satellite is that it holds 500gb and can serve unique content simultaneously to about 5 users before it bogs down (with hacked firmware). The cons are that it's a lot bigger than the Wi-Drive appears to be and it's battery is only good for about 5 hours or so. With the lower price of the Wi-Drive, it looks really good -- particularly if it has something approaching 10 hours of battery life.
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If you're streaming movies yes I think it could last 8-10 hrs. I have not used it for that long at once though. You can have up to 3 unique devices at once. The wi-drive is pretty small, light & thin. Easy to slip into a pocket or extra pocket in a bag.

monkeyluis said:
Solution:
http://www.kingston.com/us/usb/wireless/#wid
This works great. I have the 32gb.
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Does the device have to be by you to use it?

monkeyluis said:
Solution:
http://www.kingston.com/us/usb/wireless/#wid
This works great. I have the 32gb.
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But wouldn't it be better if they just put a micro sd slot on the bloody thing? 8gb is a joke, but an extra £40 / £50 for another 8gb is an insult!
I was interested / excited but I think I'll give this one a miss.

ARAMZE said:
But wouldn't it be better if they just put a micro sd slot on the bloody thing? 8gb is a joke, but an extra £40 / £50 for another 8gb is an insult!
I was interested / excited but I think I'll give this one a miss.
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The reason why they did not add a SD card slot, at least to my belief, because it would make the tablet slower. It takes more processing power to go through the SD and what not then the local HD. That's why I think iPhones and what not are less laggy because it maximizes it's processors for its dedicated hard drive and it does not have to sift through the others which makes it a bit faster.

Baconrules21 said:
Does the device have to be by you to use it?
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Within wifi range yes.

ARAMZE said:
But wouldn't it be better if they just put a micro sd slot on the bloody thing? 8gb is a joke, but an extra £40 / £50 for another 8gb is an insult!
I was interested / excited but I think I'll give this one a miss.
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Of course. I'm just providing a solution for those that want the extra space.

living without a SD?

yes im asking this. im on a HTC Desire Z now with a sd card and i wanted to know if its a big difference to live with or without a SDcard. is it do-able? i cant choose bitween the s3 and nexus 4

The SD card doesn't make a difference, you just have to figure out if you can live with 8/16 GB of storage. The answer is probably yes, if you are willing to use streaming services (google music, netflix, etc.)

I personally would not be able to live with SD cards in my life. I will have to end myself soon because Dropbox and Google Drive are taking over.

Oh well...

yumcax said:
The SD card doesn't make a difference, you just have to figure out if you can live with 8/16 GB of storage. The answer is probably yes, if you are willing to use streaming services (google music, netflix, etc.)
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i have 32 GB now so and i have 9GB free. but google music is not available in my country (yet). does it stream your music or is it like itunes?

more threads of sdcard complaints... will it ever end?

Will u be able to transfer stuff from phone to a computer, even if u don't have a SD card
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mohnim said:
Will u be able to transfer stuff from phone to a computer, even if u don't have a SD card
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of course you can, just plug the phone into your computer and it gets recognized as a mass storage device...

I think 16GB will be more than sufficient for me. If it isn't than I will just get a USB OTG cable and use the current Micro SD card that I have. I have an adapter that I can plug the SD card into that allows it to be plugged into a USB port. So effectively giving myself access to expandable SD storage
Probably won't need it, but that's my plan.

DonDizzurp said:
more threads of sdcard complaints... will it ever end?
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eh man i am not complaining

Came from a G2 (with microSD card slot) to a Gnex, I have to say I didn't miss the card even a bit. 16GB is fine since I use Google music for streaming, and that's the majority part of storage. I don't use GNex's camera that much. I have a Canon D550 and there isn't a phone camera that could produce pictures even similar in quality.
You might want to mange your space a little, like deleting unwanted backups, not having a million Titanium backups, but it's manageable.

I must admit, although I would rather have a micro-SD slot, its really not a feature I'm over worried about in terms of storage. What concerns me is whether it increases the risk of flashing roms etc to the phone. I you brick you phone, is it not going to make it more difficult to unbrick it? Or can adb always push stuff to the phone one way or another?
Also, just to confirm, you personal data stored internally (in what I assume will be called the sdcard folder) is retained each time you wipe your phone, right?

mazdarati2 said:
eh man i am not complaining
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what do you want to hear, then?
did you not see the other 25 threads on the same damn topic?
no, living without an SDcard is not doable, it is like burning in hell. dont do it or you will hang yourself within a week. okay? okay. now stfu and gtfo

DonDizzurp said:
what do you want to hear, then?
did you not see the other 25 threads on the same damn topic?
no, living without an SDcard is not doable, it is like burning in hell. dont do it or you will hang yourself within a week. okay? okay. now stfu and gtfo
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wtf man what is your problem. You cant stand it that im not as smart as you so you are going to flame on me? dude please, grow up

G405T said:
I must admit, although I would rather have a micro-SD slot, its really not a feature I'm over worried about in terms of storage. What concerns me is whether it increases the risk of flashing roms etc to the phone. I you brick you phone, is it not going to make it more difficult to unbrick it? Or can adb always push stuff to the phone one way or another?
Also, just to confirm, you personal data stored internally (in what I assume will be called the sdcard folder) is retained each time you wipe your phone, right?
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intern is not your SD

I've got a GS3 with a 32gb SD Card (as well as the internal at 16gb) and now a 16gb Nexus 7. I have to be honest and say it does bug me. If you download nightlies and make a lot of Nandroids then your going to suffer to get used to it. There is no way I would recommend an 8gb. I travel a lot on flights and that is when I really miss the storage for music and films, but I do have the phone to fall back on. That said, there are plenty of iSheep out there that don't seem to struggle and Google Drive and Google Music are awesome services. Perhaps I'm the one that should be more tolerant.
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mazdarati2 said:
yes im asking this. im on a HTC Desire Z now with a sd card and i wanted to know if its a big difference to live with or without a SDcard. is it do-able? i cant choose bitween the s3 and nexus 4
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Hey mazdarati2,
I came from the Droid Incredible to the Galaxy Nexus and I can tell you that having a large internal memory rather than the SD card slot is really not a big deal. At first, I thought I would miss it also, but I really wanted the Nexus. The only downside comes if you have a tendency to work with experimental/unstable ROMs, which can corrupt the filesystem on the memory and you will have to reformat and push the factory image with fastboot. When you do this, the SD memory partition gets formatted as well, which is a bummer and if you ever had any problems like that on phones with a physical SD card, you wouldn't have that problem. For the average user that doesn't use more than 8-16GB of space, it will cause no problems, in fact, it will be better because it gets rid of system confusion when saving pictures/videos/other files and then finding them when you connect to your PC. I hope this helps and sways your decision towards getting a nexus 4. It's a great phone and if you're on pre-paid, it will save you a lot of money in the long run! Good Luck!

mazdarati2 said:
intern is not your SD
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The reason I assumed 'sdcard' folder, is because the LG 4X HD, which has both sd and 16GB internal storage places all of your user files in the sdcard directory independent of whether you are using an sdcard. The actual sdcard files are stored in '/sdcard/external_sdcard' which I must admit I found slightly odd.

nschiwy said:
Hey mazdarati2,
I came from the Droid Incredible to the Galaxy Nexus and I can tell you that having a large internal memory rather than the SD card slot is really not a big deal. At first, I thought I would miss it also, but I really wanted the Nexus. The only downside comes if you have a tendency to work with experimental/unstable ROMs, which can corrupt the filesystem on the memory and you will have to reformat and push the factory image with fastboot. When you do this, the SD memory partition gets formatted as well, which is a bummer and if you ever had any problems like that on phones with a physical SD card, you wouldn't have that problem. For the average user that doesn't use more than 8-16GB of space, it will cause no problems, in fact, it will be better because it gets rid of system confusion when saving pictures/videos/other files and then finding them when you connect to your PC. I hope this helps and sways your decision towards getting a nexus 4. It's a great phone and if you're on pre-paid, it will save you a lot of money in the long run! Good Luck!
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i dont think im gonna try out new ROMS. maybe only Pimp My ROM, but thats it

SUer said:
I've got a GS3 with a 32gb SD Card (as well as the internal at 16gb) and now a 16gb Nexus 7. I have to be honest and say it does bug me. If you download nightlies and make a lot of Nandroids then your going to suffer to get used to it. There is no way I would recommend an 8gb. I travel a lot on flights and that is when I really miss the storage for music and films, but I do have the phone to fall back on. That said, there are plenty of iSheep out there that don't seem to struggle and Google Drive and Google Music are awesome services. Perhaps I'm the one that should be more tolerant.
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yes i need to know to use Google Drive and stream apps like that. never used it

[Q] SD card compatibility issues? How to reformat?

So I have a few questions. I recently just got a Samsung Galaxy S4 Active and I have a Sandisk Ultra 32gb class 10 UHC-1 MicroSDHC card that was previously in a rooted Motorola Photon running CM10. I already wiped all the data and it is almost ready to put in the S4, I just wanted to reformat it just for the piece of mind and to restore it to out of the box condition. While I was googling how to reformat it to make sure I did it exactly right, I came across a bunch of forums on how Sandisk microSD's malfuntion and don't seem to work right in Samsung smart phones. Specifically the Galaxy line and the Note's. Has anyone experienced this problem? And is there anyone out there that has one of these cards in an S4 that actually works properly? I was so excited to gain 32 more gb of storage space on my phone, and now I'm scared =[ looks like I may have bigger problems now than just reformatting the card.
But speaking of reformatting. How do I reformat this card properly? And I also read that you should format it as exFAT? is that right? And I also read that formatting it through Windows can mess it up as Windows reformats it to work best with their system, not for phones. So is there a program anyone can recommend to use to reformat it? And could you also please give step by step instructions on how to reformat on said program. Like down to every option I should select, or shouldn't select. I want to make sure I do this exactly right and don't mess up my card. Especially with all of these horror stories I've been hearing.
Thanks =]

I haven't seen a specific thread/posts on doing this. Google didn't help much.
I would recommend, however, getting a 64gb Samsung card from Amazon. Already exFat and works perfectly. Very fast--
Samsung Electronics 64GB Pro microSDXC Extreme Speed (UHS-1) Class 10 Memory Card (MB-MGCGB/AM)
The Sandisks, some anyway, have had problems--

Ehh.. I dont really need a 64gb card and don't really want to pay extra for space I dont need. Also I'm confused about exFAT. Ive seen a lot of posts on that as well and have read thst exFAT doesn't play nice in smartphones and that the only time it's really recommended is if you're rooted and on a custom ROM, which I'm not. I just gave up on reformatting and just put it in my phone last night as-is. It was completely wiped, so good enough. I don't want to take the chance messing with any of that. So far its been fine. But from what I've read it usually doesn't strike until a few months later. For right now I will keep my photos set to save on the internal just in case and the only thing im really going to put on the card is music, which I can easily get back off the computer if the card fails. Worst comes to worst sandisk has a lifetime warrenty and I have a reciept of the purchase so if anything happens I will just buy a 32gb Samsung or go with sandisk again. Apparrently the issue was with the ultra cards manufactured before or in December 2012 (which mine was). I also can't confirm this as I only saw one person say it in one forum, and it was neither confirmed nor denied by anyone else, but I saw someone say recently, I think last month, that the most recent huge update At&t pushed fixed the problem with Sandisk cards. So hopefully thats true. I guess I will just wait and see. Lol
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Eh. Maybe I will get a 64gb. Can't hurt to have more space. Especially with me. Lol. I'll have to look into it when/if the time comes. Thanks for the advice =] sorry, I have a bad habit of answering my own questions sometimes. Lol
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ok, just keep a backup on pc
the exfat handles +4gb files

Galaxy_S_ said:
So I have a few questions. I recently just got a Samsung Galaxy S4 Active and I have a Sandisk Ultra 32gb class 10 UHC-1 MicroSDHC card that was previously in a rooted Motorola Photon running CM10. I already wiped all the data and it is almost ready to put in the S4, I just wanted to reformat it just for the piece of mind and to restore it to out of the box condition. While I was googling how to reformat it to make sure I did it exactly right, I came across a bunch of forums on how Sandisk microSD's malfuntion and don't seem to work right in Samsung smart phones. Specifically the Galaxy line and the Note's. Has anyone experienced this problem? And is there anyone out there that has one of these cards in an S4 that actually works properly? I was so excited to gain 32 more gb of storage space on my phone, and now I'm scared =[ looks like I may have bigger problems now than just reformatting the card.
But speaking of reformatting. How do I reformat this card properly? And I also read that you should format it as exFAT? is that right? And I also read that formatting it through Windows can mess it up as Windows reformats it to work best with their system, not for phones. So is there a program anyone can recommend to use to reformat it? And could you also please give step by step instructions on how to reformat on said program. Like down to every option I should select, or shouldn't select. I want to make sure I do this exactly right and don't mess up my card. Especially with all of these horror stories I've been hearing.
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As an update I have seen it mentioned to take card out of phone and put in card reader. Then plug into pc, right click and your will have your format choices. Also, there are Formatter programs to dl from web too. Been so long since I did that--kinda forgot--lol

I have recently reformatted my 32 gig card to exfat. Only been a week but no problems so far. Why did I? Because I down load movies that are over 4 gig on accasion. Plain fat doesn't let you store more than 4 gig. Hope that helps. Took me a while to figure out why my file transfers kept falling.
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Best way to describe the issue is when I take a photo the end result is a the photo obscured by a grey box. I have changed for now all my photos to be stored on my phone device and then I move manually to my SD card. I am not sure why this happened only started a couple of days ago. If I try to upload a photo to FB it says it is not a correct piece of media also I have noticed apps are disappearing from my device and i think these are apps that were stored on the SD card... Could the SD card be corrupt? it is a 64GB card I am running all stock software apart from Nova Launcher (free version) and using DCikonz for icon... I've not had any issue and I have had the SD card for months now.

You are right. My cousin had same problem. Your SD is corrupted. He changed it and he is happy now :highfive:

Joku1981 said:
You are right. My cousin had same problem. Your SD is corrupted. He changed it and he is happy now :highfive:
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Looks like I'll be contacting amazon and getting a replacement or should I stop using the 64g all together....

HerRoyalDykeness said:
Looks like I'll be contacting amazon and getting a replacement or should I stop using the 64g all together....
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64 GB cards are giving a lot of problems lately. I give u council: Buy one Samsung SD card 32gb class 10 and I think u will be happy. Im using it for more of 2 years. Its ur choice :highfive:

Joku1981 said:
64 GB cards are giving a lot of problems lately. I give u council: Buy one Samsung SD card 32gb class 10 and I think u will be happy. Im using it for more of 2 years. Its ur choice :highfive:
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I had a 32gb which i got not long after i bought the phone in april when it was released in UK, I think it was a san disk one at that bought the 64g coz i wanted more memory but had nothing but problems since, it would unmount itself for no reason the phone could be lying on a counter and that message would come in my notifications... wish me luck with amazon!