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WM 6.5 on HTC clone ?

Hello guys.
I have purchased a HTC clone also known as the HTY 3238 Model.
Basically as far as I am aware this is pretty much a clone of the 3232 Official design.
Now I have seen WM6.5 ROMS on this site for the Official 3232 model but I was wondering if anyone has successfuly put WM6.5 on the HTY 3238 Cloned model ?
Thanks very much.

Oh and if it is indeed possible could someone provide some links to what I will need/guides.
I have had a look round and I think I have found what I need but I just want to be sure just so that I dont brick my phone lol.
Btw sorry for the double post. I could not edit my post.
Thanks again.

I bought mine with 6.5. . .

ronp76 said:
I bought mine with 6.5. . .
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Well that means it can definately support it then which is good.

ENTERPRISE1701 said:
Well that means it can definately support it then which is good.
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Here is a link to another xda thread where a discussion about flashing ROMs to clones exists:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=552024
While it is not a Jade Clone, info is info and hope springs eternal!

ENTERPRISE1701 said:
Hello guys.
I have purchased a HTC clone also known as the HTY 3238 Model.
Basically as far as I am aware this is pretty much a clone of the 3232 Official design.
Now I have seen WM6.5 ROMS on this site for the Official 3232 model but I was wondering if anyone has successfuly put WM6.5 on the HTY 3238 Cloned model ?
Thanks very much.
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Hi! Look at this forumhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4817395 There (somewhere) are new 6.5 ROM for 3238 English version. I have 6.5 v3.06 and I am satisfied. Bye!!

andour said:
Hi! Look at this forumhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4817395 There (somewhere) are new 6.5 ROM for 3238 English version. I have 6.5 v3.06 and I am satisfied. Bye!!
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While there is info about various 6.5 ROMs in that thread BUT the general feeling there is that Clones cannot flash from 6.1 to 6.5. I know because I asked the question there and in other Jade threads.
The thread about Sunno Clones has users who supposedly have flashed from 6.1 to 6.5.

ronp76 said:
While there is info about various 6.5 ROMs in that thread BUT the general feeling there is that Clones cannot flash from 6.1 to 6.5. I know because I asked the question there and in other Jade threads.
The thread about Sunno Clones has users who supposedly have flashed from 6.1 to 6.5.
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I don't understand you. I bought this device with WM6.1 and I flashed on version 6.5. I haven't got any problems with this ROM. If you want link for download, I share (send) you...

andour said:
I don't understand you. I bought this device with WM6.1 and I flashed on version 6.5. I haven't got any problems with this ROM. If you want link for download, I share (send) you...
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I *think* he said, prior to your post that no one in that thread said that they were able to flash from 6.1 to 6.5.

Possible
I to hace the Clone and upgrades with the Smart.upr on my memory card. I did have to do a few things.
1. Small Memory card I used a 1 GIG card.
I took out the Sim card. and did it by holding down OK, Left Green Button then the power. it started working in a minute or so . IT took 10 Min to finish.
I tried all other ways and they DID NOT Work. Best of Luck...

I also updated my T3238 Clone from WM 6.1 to WM 6.5 without any problems and it was working fine.
The only problem was that I could no longer define buttons with different programs. In WM 6.1
I used "AEButton Plus" and with that programm I could do that. Because I want to push only one button while I am driving in order to use Voice Speed Dial. Therefore I went back zu WM 6.1.
Now I only have to push the ok-button a little bit longer, tell my phone whom to call while IGO is still working.

Amaly said:
I also updated my T3238 Clone from WM 6.1 to WM 6.5 without any problems and it was working fine.
The only problem was that I could no longer define buttons with different programs. In WM 6.1
I used "AEButton Plus" and with that programm I could do that. Because I want to push only one button while I am driving in order to use Voice Speed Dial. Therefore I went back zu WM 6.1.
Now I only have to push the ok-button a little bit longer, tell my phone whom to call while IGO is still working.
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When I had problems with the ROM I had, I realized how difficult it is to try to flash ROMs and end up with a working product. As a result of that incident, I also learned that there are differences between ROMs and that all versions are not created equal or fully functional.
As a result, I now believe it is best to stick with what you have. 6.1 supposedly is felt to be better than 6.5 which is buggy IMHO. Hopefully WM7 will be better but that is a year away.

I completely agree to you. I only try to flash a rom when I'm 100 % sure it's the right rom for my device and if I have the original rom to go back.

Noob needs help please

New Questions here, old one at the bottom.
hi and thanks to everyone for your answers... you helped me a lot.
but:
I tried various 6.5 and 6.5.3 roms and found a lot of bugs in all of them... and that's not really my style. I want to go back to stock firmware 6.1 and there are not many options (or maybe i wasn't able to find them). Where can i find the Stock Firmware section or something like that, if they are unbranded even better, and if you can direct me to the latest one even better... i have installed the one from Orange in spanish meanwhile, i think it's Ver 1.57.75.3 found here. forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566929 but if there are better unbranded ones i'll be very happy to install them... (how about this one: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521354).
Thanks a lot again in advance...
old Question:
Hi, i bought yesterday my new Opal and i have no idea how to update the rom to windows 6.5... I´m a bit of a perfectionist so i wanna get things right from the beginning, and i used to mod motorola phones so i understand some of the technical stuff, but htc is completely new to me.
So far, this is what i have understood:
to update:
1.- install hard_spl
2.- install custom ruu
3.- install new rom.
But i have a lot of questions on what is each one of those things and the advantages they give.
What does Hard_SPL do?
What is the Custom RUU for? (what is the RUU?)
What is the most stable and least customized rom with winmo 6.5? which rom is the most used by this forum?
What is titanium?
and last: how is the Opal unlocked? (if posible)
Mi goal is to update to winmo 6.5 but keep my phone looking as stock as possible and as stable as possible...
all the help i can get will be very appreciated...

su8044 said:
to update:
1.- install hard_spl
2.- install custom ruu
3.- install new rom.
But i have a lot of questions on what is each one of those things and the advantages they give.
What does Hard_SPL do?
What is the Custom RUU for? (what is the RUU?)
What is the most stable and least customized rom with winmo 6.5? which rom is the most used by this forum?
What is titanium?
and last: how is the Opal unlocked? (if posible)
Mi goal is to update to winmo 6.5 but keep my phone looking as stock as possible and as stable as possible...
all the help i can get will be very appreciated...
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Congrats for your Htc touch viva!
Ok now initially Htc touch viva has its official spl which would not allow your device to upgrade to custom roms. You can only upgrade to official roms. So Spl is a kind of lock To unlock that only we use Hard SPL After installing HSPL you can upgrade to custom roms.
And you understood slightly wrong because Ruu = Rom update utility its just a app which is used to upgrade your rom in your device. So u dont install that. After HSPL directly rom
And about the roms i cant say coz every one has different flavours try them all At last titanium is a new interface made by microsoft and introduced in wm 6.5 and above.

A Word of Caution....
I want to add one thing...(IMPORTANT!!!)
#1
WM6.5.x has not yet been officially released for HTC Touch Viva T2223.
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#2:
If you are looking forward to experiment with it...go ahead on your own risk as your phone will be void of warranty after 'HardSPLing' it.
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#3:
Don't think that a particular WM 6.5.x ROM will work for your device just because it worked like a charm on somebody's device. Believe it or not, though it may be the same model ex: HTC Touch Viva T2223, there are variations depending on the country.
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#4:
I learned the hard way...I took a roundabout ticket....i HardSPLed my device, flashed custom roms, tweaked and played and fooled around with it and has come to a conclusion.
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The Verdict:
Stick with the Stock
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P.S: I didn't mean to frighten you!!!!I can assure you 100% that your mobile won't blow up in your face even if you fiddled with it's innards!!

I want to add one thing to what freelancer said:
Imo it is not ALWAYS the best to stick with the stock version. I had branded ROM shipped with my phone, hardSPLed it and installed custom translated unbranded ROM.
Does the same thing as branded ROM did but way faster. And some features like the HTC task manager didn't work with branded rom at all. Now everything works just fine.
I agree that stock ROMs are the best/fastest, but just not if you have a branded one. It slows down your device.
Just my opinion
greetz

boelze said:
I want to add one thing to what freelancer said:
Imo it is not ALWAYS the best to stick with the stock version. I had branded ROM shipped with my phone, hardSPLed it and installed custom translated unbranded ROM.
Does the same thing as branded ROM did but way faster. And some features like the HTC task manager didn't work with branded rom at all. Now everything works just fine.
I agree that stock ROMs are the best/fastest, but just not if you have a branded one. It slows down your device.
Just my opinion
greetz
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Lol, who said that stock is rom is best as far as about opal you should go ahead with custom roms i have seen that custom rom gives more free ram then stock. Plus task manager in stock rom that can be done in custom also the thing is the more the rom is lite the more efficiently your device will work do you know the stock rom .nbh file size is more than 100 mb whereas a normal custom rom is around 90 mb if there are many app and you can create less than 50 mb stock rom also. Wm 6.5 is perfect for opal inface wm 6.5.x also.

freelancer81 said:
I want to add one thing...(IMPORTANT!!!)
#1
#2:
#3:
#4:
The Verdict:
P.S: I didn't mean to frighten you!!!!I can assure you 100% that your mobile won't blow up in your face even if you fiddled with it's innards!!
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#1 >>>>> And it will never be announced!!! LOL
#2>>>>>> Well actually not because you can return to stock SPL!!!
#3>>>>>>> WELL I have to disagree!!!! The hardware is all the [email protected]@@@ LOL
#>>>>>>>>HMMM It all bottles down to personel Taste,, bro
THE VERDICT!!!!
Custom Roms RULE!!!!!

i don't mean to disagree with you guys (you know better) but i didn't mean to say that WM6.1 v1-vx is bad but as far as WM6.5 is concerned....they have disadvantages like they are buggy and also consumes battery quite fast.
Appearance wise...WM6.5 is way ahead...but performance wise....I'll stick with WM6.1 anytime.
currently i am using WM6.1 v14 by PDAVIET it is nearly perfect!!!!
regarding differences in hardware...i was meaning the CARRIER...like Verizon, DoPoD, T-Mobile (MDA Basic), iDea (India) and so on...sorry...
regarding stockspl...mine was SPL 1.35.0000...i couldn't find any download link for that..

hey brothers i think tht opal also should have a completely cleam winmo 6.5.3 rom plxxxxxx i love it on mi friends wizard which has less ram....i know ya guys can do it...and also brother winmo is all about customising and making changes to interface wen ya want... its not only themes..it has completely different uis tht can be swithched ezily... so ya gotta try these.....i guess after trying diferent lock screens games today screens thn aftr tht rty theroms

shaffaf said:
hey brothers i think tht opal also should have a completely cleam winmo 6.5.3 rom plxxxxxx i love it on mi friends wizard which has less ram....i know ya guys can do it...and also brother winmo is all about customising and making changes to interface wen ya want... its not only themes..it has completely different uis tht can be swithched ezily... so ya gotta try these sites...forum.ppcwarez.org .....i guess after trying diferent lock screens games today screens thn aftr tht rty theroms
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Yeah bro sure i would also like a fully customized rom on my device but bro we have some problems while cooking for opal only with opal after fixing that i will try to make that type of rom but plz
Right now remove links to warez site do it now!!!!

Thanks but i want to go back to stock
hi and thanks to everyone for your answers... you helped me a lot.
but:
I tried various 6.5 and 6.5.3 roms and found a lot of bugs in all of them... and that's not really my style. I want to go back to stock firmware 6.1 and there are not many options (or maybe i wasn't able to find them). Where can i find the Stock Firmware section or something like that, if they are unbranded even better, and if you can direct me to the latest one even better... i have installed the one from Orange in spanish meanwhile, i think it's Ver 1.57.75.3 found here. forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566929 but if there are better unbranded ones i'll be very happy to install them... (how about this one: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521354).
Thanks a lot again in advance...

Dozens of Questions

Greetings,
I know am not supposed to ask questions in a new thread .. but i already posted in the Q&Athread and didnt recieve any replies
I changed my old samsung D840 for an htc hd mini .. i wanted to install apps , modify my software and so on .. but unfortunatly , after buying the mini , it turned out that 95% of the apps doesnt support the hvga screen , no games at all and ofc no themes at all .. imho , a winmo phone that doesnt support anything is totally worthless .. so i exchanged the mini for a used htc touch hd ... and i have been reading tons of guides about roms, radios , spl and so on ... and am a bit confused , and i have dozens of questions to ask , i did use the search function, and no am not lazy to google what i want , but am in desperate need for some answers that i didnt find. so here we go..
1) As for SPL .. i read the whole guide , but i was wondering if USPL is safer than HSPL since HSPL permenantly remove something from the phone .. and does it infract the warranty terms?
2) When it comes to Roms , i see a huge number of roms ... i dont want to try lots of Roms till i find the one i like , cuz i guess i will do something wrong eventually and screw up my device ... i really liked the htc hd mini UI .. i was wondering if there is a ROM ( official one for the touch hd ) which is similar to the touch HD's one?
3)Assuming that there isnt any official ROMS like the one described above , which cooked ROM got the same UI as the hd mini , with no custom fancy stuff , not too much tweaks and modifications ... just a simple smooth Rom with the HD's nice UI and could play divx movies with no frames loss
4) whats a manila , touchflo and htc sense ? i couldnt really understand the difference
5) as i understood .. Radios are responsible for communication tasks , like wifi , gps and so on ... and some radios may work better than others according to places... Well, i live in egypt... should i try all the radios to find a good one that works here? if so .. are radios installed after unlocking the spl and installing a rom?
6)I bet all those custom ROMS doesnt support arabic .. so i was wondering if there any app that enables the phone to read arabic .. just on the web and sms ... dont need an arabic keyboard and so on
7) I dont have an sd card atm? Can i still flash a ROM? are there any consequences of flashing a ROM without a memory card?
8) as mentioned in the Customizing TF3D - The Collection! thread.. there is a v3.0 manila ( thts the new one ) .. so are v2 and 2.5 meant by "old manila" .. and all of those themes work on winmo 6.1 and 6.5 and only limited by the manila version?
9) Whats a custom RUU ? task 32 and 28? do i need to use one before flashing?
Well, i guess thats it .. i know those are a lot of questions ..but i would really appreciate some answers
Thnx in advance

Fady_0 said:
1) As for SPL .. i read the whole guide , but i was wondering if USPL is safer than HSPL since HSPL permenantly remove something from the phone .. and does it infract the warranty terms?
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Unfortunately until you flash back to stock ROM you have no warranty. Looks like cheating.. I know...
About that if this will be safer... I have no idea... It is imo easier to flash ROMs with HSPL but choice is yours. Remember about one thing. If you starts flashing you cannot stop Thats why I used HSPL. Also I'm using Linux at my home computer so this is only way i can flash ROM.
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2) When it comes to Roms , i see a huge number of roms ... i dont want to try lots of Roms till i find the one i like , cuz i guess i will do something wrong eventually and screw up my device ... i really liked the htc hd mini UI .. i was wondering if there is a ROM ( official one for the touch hd ) which is similar to the touch HD's one?
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Nope (at least i don't know any)
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3)Assuming that there isnt any official ROMS like the one described above , which cooked ROM got the same UI as the hd mini , with no custom fancy stuff , not too much tweaks and modifications ... just a simple smooth Rom with the HD's nice UI and could play divx movies with no frames loss
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Try those provided by kwbr (TOPIX ones). I'm using one atm for about 3 months. There are also other ROMs but tbh i didn't check all of them, which is obvious
Check XDA for playing videos on Blackstone cause there are some problems with playing full length videos on it. There is an app to change movies to "fit Blackstone"
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4) whats a manila , touchflo and htc sense ? i couldnt really understand the difference
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Hmm few names of same thing Although HTC Sense is for Android based devices
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5) as i understood .. Radios are responsible for communication tasks , like wifi , gps and so on ... and some radios may work better than others according to places... Well, i live in egypt... should i try all the radios to find a good one that works here? if so .. are radios installed after unlocking the spl and installing a rom?
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ROMS are usually with radios but I can't answer your question. Some1 with better knowledge should do this.
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6)I bet all those custom ROMS doesnt support arabic .. so i was wondering if there any app that enables the phone to read arabic .. just on the web and sms ... dont need an arabic keyboard and so on
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Should be. Use search. You should find smth here.
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7) I dont have an sd card atm? Can i still flash a ROM? are there any consequences of flashing a ROM without a memory card?
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With USPL I think you will be able to do this. I don't recommend but... Again some1 with better knowledge should answer.
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8) as mentioned in the Customizing TF3D - The Collection! thread.. there is a v3.0 manila ( thts the new one ) .. so are v2 and 2.5 meant by "old manila" .. and all of those themes work on winmo 6.1 and 6.5 and only limited by the manila version?
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Ver. 2.0 is an old manilla. Maybe ver. 2.1 can be also called the old one. Manilla 2.5 work only on WinMo from ver. 6.5 Window Mobile 6.1 can only run manilla 2.0. To be honest i'm not so sure If i understood correctly your question :/ Every theme for manila depends on manila version so you have to check theme thread for which version of manila it supports.
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9) Whats a custom RUU ? task 32 and 28? do i need to use one before flashing?
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I have no idea.
I answered your questions but i can be mistaken so if someone will see that I'm wrong please correct me.

Daarth said:
Hmm few names of same thing Although HTC Sense is for Android based devices .
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Damn ... I was like .. really really confused lol ... Ty so much for ur replies

It is confusing but you'll get used to it if you will spend here more time Despite Sense is for android ppl used to call manilla/touch flo HTC Sence. Dunno why... faster maybe? I'm here more than a year but I'm still noob

[Q] looking for stock winmo 6.5 rom

Hey everyone ,
I m just wondering around if anyone knows where i can get stock winmo 6.5 ver rom for blackstone , i know there;s no build for blackstone {touch hd} ,
coz i m using cloudy's rom so they are pretty much same to stock ,
the main reason for doing that my phone when i try to wake up , the back light stays lit up but nothin else happens so i have to softreset everytime
If somebody knows the solution that would be great help
cheers

Ravage is what you are looking for!
If you are looking for the stockiest 6.5 rom available for the HD, then follow http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633360. This is the best rom you would find for the HD. By Miniterror.

dont really understand your question.
you say you want a stock rom and that you know there is no stock rom, but that the rom you're using is almost stock.
what more do you want?

sorry for not making myself understandable, as u know htc hadn't released any stock 6.5.x rom for blackstone ,only 6.1 is available, as our developers are comping 6.5 build from other phones like leo etc.
my exact question was is there any clean winmo 6.5.x rom available , so that I can install on ma blackstone . I almost tried every latest rom , but i m not getting enough memory left after installation , except cloudy's and blackstonehenge which i m using right now.
Any idea, or help would be better, thnks guys

you should change this thread's title, it is confusing.
stock rom refers to a rom provided by the manufacturer or a carrier. what you seem to be looking for is a clean or lite rom. that would also be the names you should look for. there are dedicated lite/clean/vanilla roms around, that run manila 2.1 or titanium, that should offer you enough free space and speed, or did you, by any chance, forget to hard reset your phone after flashing. that will make your phone slower with every rom you flash

LETS GO BACK [if you want to]

i have been trying a lot of roms and i found some of them looks so nice but slow... some of them faster but missing a lot of apps and if i install them its slow again.....
i found shadi 313 and laurenti roms found faster but it hangs with some apps.... and in laurenti and shadi roms are fastest rom i found.... system memory reads at 19000 +kb and writes at 11000 +kb before installing applications. installing stock rom should fix alot of problems..... its looks sux but works.....
so this what you do to go back to original xi rom with stock spl ver .78
[1] http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/download/1/110/61/1286193229/Update_Service_Setup-2.10.10.9.exe ----install this
[2] active sync install [hope you have windows xp]
[3] http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=130821&d=1227003393 ------download this
[4]http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478022 download this rom or orginal r3a rom from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475482 thats it... thats all you want
1] flash r3a rom or nx1i 1.04 rom[this is what i use]
2] flash stock spl .72
3] run sony ericsson updater and simply follow the instructions.
be happy ...... you got your original sony ericsson xperia x1 phone back with stock spl .78

After using 6.5, I am Never going to use 6.1 again!!
6.1 hangs more than 6.5 ( not any 6.5 ROM )
you can try Energy Standard 'Reference' or Titanium.. its a bit fast and stable.
GoodLuck

+ 1 to not going back to 6.1. sorry.
had gone back to pure x1 stuff but not 6.1.
the usability is far better. but that's just me.
you might have a different experience and that's just fine.

Thanks for sharing, useful incase I want to give my phone to someone I hate.

biernes_atrece said:
+ 1 to not going back to 6.1. sorry.
had gone back to pure x1 stuff but not 6.1.
the usability is far better. but that's just me.
you might have a different experience and that's just fine.
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i actually tried a lot of roms..... my phone's back cover is broken [or case] because of that..... this is just for the people afraid it might have to send back to SE service.... and its working fine but looks ugly compared to 6.5.5 roms.....good battery life though....
i am using spb shell with it... two days now .... all my softwares working fine and no freezing yet.....
i want you guys to try all the softwares you guys using now with this rom and tell us its freezing or not.........

Lunie said:
Thanks for sharing, useful incase I want to give my phone to someone I hate.
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ha....ha....... good one

+ 1 to not going back to 6.1., too!
6.5 is even more functionally then 6.1!
i'm using energy rom without a sod/freeze...
btw: i miss the panels from stock rom, but installing panel manager and panels slowing down the x1

Lunie said:
Thanks for sharing, useful incase I want to give my phone to someone I hate.
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LOL, true that.

I also use 6.5 when I do not want to go back to 6.1 and only used a +23 Build !!!
Only Serie 826x Build 28237

best trouble free rom than stock rom
hi guys...... lets find out which is the fastest and freeze free rom.... install sktools in your phone and test benchmarks for main memory and micro sd card card... tell us which rom produces best results and tell us about your battery usage of your rom too......
to our senior members and cooks..... sktools benchmarks of my rom as follows.....
stock rom updated main memory write 1897 mb .... read 6894 mb
shady 313 last rom main memory write 11683 mb ...read 19075 mb why is this much difference from stock rom and what is the effect for normal user............ help us to know what is this ..........

Series 826x ROM stable and fast
No more WM 6.1 for me

Thanks for this but will never go back to 6.1 ever again...
Oz

Thx for the contribution
I will move the thread to General, as it is not rom development related
Best, DK

Well, I also want 6.5 not 6.1 because of so many differences.. And i should say that my phone works well with 6.5 than 6.1 but thanks for sharing it..

Looks like we're different
I tried the Energy ROM (6.5), didn't like the fonts, specifically the size of them, also had a lot of SODs.
Tried Valkyrie's Firestorm, 6.5 for about 4 months - nice ROM, very stable, had a few SODs but resolved them via power management parameters in AdvancedConfig
Gone back to Mr Rusch's Touch ROM 6.1 and 2.5 sense. Much prefer it.
Speed seems comparable (I don't do speed tests on r/w etc), no SODs, and because of the Graphics drivers, I get to play Experiment 13 and Xtract again - and I get to see the numbers on the password screen of SPB Wallet again.
Only thing I miss from 6.5? the transparent wait icon (seriously), the frustrating order of apps in the folders
6.1 is

i recently gone back to 6.1! i find it just smoother and more responsive. i find 6.5 too boggy and slow. using Jacks rom atm and its great 6.1 rom