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What are you plans for your G1 in the future?

What do you intend to do with your G1 after a year or two or after your contract has expired? I plan on keeping mine, and using as a just-for-fun device, or I might give it to my kids in 10 years as an antique phone that they can complain about having to use while all the other kids are using virtual headsets. I'm just curious haha

I'll probably keep using it until some freaking beast phone comes out.

Hang onto it. Backup phones can come in handy, for obvious reasons. Also, if my next handset is very securely locked out of root, I might want to have my Dream on hand for platform hacking.

I'll use mine for dyno, tuning my ecu through the phone, and controling my tv, lights, garage door, girlfriend, all through my phone.. Dreaming of course, but hey, it's called a "dream" right?

The only way I'll give up my G1 is if there is another Android phone that is super sweet looking with a hard keyboard too. Then, and only then, will I consider giving up the G1.
Oh, and no Samsung or Nokia or any other brand. Only HTC.

I've already found myself trying to keep my phone in its best physical condition so much that I am starting to not enjoy using the phone, bit of OCD on my side. Anyway, I installed a ShieldSkin around a month ago, and today I dropped my phone, and it happened to land on a pebble right on the edge of the phone in the small tiny area where the shield skin happened to not cover... so much for my 9 dollar investment, and now I got a dent in my phone that I keep staring at every single time I pick up the phone.

I'll sell mine and get some other Android phone.
Or maybe not
Currently I use Haykuro's 5.0G and I can't be happier with my device. Well, I could, if all the apps were working correctly

I will never give my G1 up as soon as HTC release another Android phone with more hardware change than and hard keyboard I will get it. But I'll keep my G1 as the first Android Phone ever!!!.
And right now I'm using Hakuro 5.1H and it's amazing stable everything works great I have fall in love with my phone more deeply.
Ps. My wife just red this post I left and she said OMG HOW [email protected]

i plan on getting a new phone before my two year expires, never had a phone that lasted more than a year so we'll see. every month it seems a new better phone comes out and unless they get rid of every phone with a hardware keyboard there is always an upgrade for me to buy.

im currently back in love with the g1 because of haykuros 5.0.1 rom
this is what keeps me on this phone right now
im hoping that by the time the huwaei phone comes out or the htc magic for the us comes out ill grab one of those just to check it out and if i dont like it ill still to the g1 until a better android phone comes out. the g1 is best of both worlds really. its got a hard keyboard and now it has a soft keyboard. people look at asthetics of a phone waaay to much now. its all about thin and sexy instead of comfortable and powerful. compared to the iphone i think the browser is the only good thing about the iphone now. eventually thatll have google as the reigning king. i think android has pretty much raped the iphone software wise and soon enough itll rape is style wise. the iphone style will never change and as u can see the android style will always be different. so even if were all using android each of our phones will be unique in maybe 3 or 4 years.
fingers are tired lol

Keeping it for sure unless another Android phone comes out with an actual keyboard.

this phone will be a collectors item lol, just wait and see
the first phone started by the open handset alliance? let alone ive got a white one and a black one, i just need a bronze one now, i have a couple very minor scratches on the bottom of my phone, ill have tmobile replace it just before i put it up and get a new phone, im liking the android phone that is slim like the iphone that i saw floating around online that should come out at the end of this year, that will probably replace my g1, but im definately keeping it, im also keeping copies of all the jf builds and the magic port builds as well, and every app that gets removed from the market im trying to get my hands on the apk for it lol, who knows right? ive seen old ass nokia phones holding there resale value because of there uniqueness, hopefully the g1 will too
with the ability ive seen in the devs and the porting of roms, i dont think this phone will become outdated as fast as my other phones have in the passed, in short, i think the hardware will become outdated MUCH sooner than the software

wootroot said:
the first phone started by the open handset alliance
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That... is actually a very good point...

SolemnWishing said:
That... is actually a very good point...
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nooo disagree with me, i want to have the only 1 of each color left working in a few years from now when jf is president of america

Haha I was thinking about also going out and buying a copy of Windows Vista and put it in a time capsule and 100 years from now when people open it they can laugh at how stupid we used to be.

SolemnWishing said:
Haha I was thinking about also going out and buying a copy of Windows Vista and put it in a time capsule and 100 years from now when people open it they can laugh at how stupid we used to be.
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oh that is epic, i think that just earned a spot in my sig... wait a moment... yep, it did

aw, sweet! haha

SolemnWishing said:
aw, sweet! haha
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so pay up....
this ad space isnt free man, thats prime placement in my sig, thats atleast worth 50 bucks

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Here you go!
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...thats low man, even for you...
not cool... not cool...

Information on the leaked Hero ROM

Leaked images of HTC Hero or G3?
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3.5mm headphone jack coming to G3!

Does it come with a physical keyboard?

maxisma said:
Does it come with a physical keyboard?
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It does not have hard keyboard. You can see these images. I hate this design. G1 is better. G2 design is the best.

I don't really get their strategy. They realease the G1: Kind of boring specs, but all is good. Then the Magic/Sapphire, which kind of makes sense; a G1 with better design and no physical keyboard. Then they release this? What's the point? From the looks of it it's just a slightly modified Sapphire with (maybe) a 3.5mm jack and no trackball.
Come on now, mix it up a little, HTC. Give us something different, like a HUGE screen like the Touch HD (only with capacitive TS), or a Palm Pre type of slider.. anything, as long as it's something different.

AGREED X 1000000000^100000000
i dont get it at all.... i know i personally wont even consider changing my g1 for anything w/o a physical keyboard, but id at least like to see some different designs.... even samsung went for slim no keyboard look....

UGLY!!! Design, common!!! HTC be creative.

hideous......

I really dislike the chin on all these HTC phones, I find it unattractive and obstructive when using the phone. They should ditch those chins and go for a more sleek design. Looking at that phone from the back reminds me of my dad's phone from around 15 years ago...

alot of reviews said the g1 was ugly when it first came out but that thing is really ugly

Agreed, mannyb, I'm liking the VK on the Cupcake release, but every once in a while I'll need to slide out the keyboard to touch some physical buttons. Until touchscreens can also mold and raise/lower to form semi-physical buttons, I think I need a keyboard that I can feel my way around.
I've used a completely-touchscreen phone before, and the input sucks if you're tired or uncoordinated for a day.

i thought that G3 was made by Huawei...and heard that g3's appearance will look like an iphone with no keyboard

http://www.gsmarena.com/huaweis_android_smartphone_is_the_future_tmobile_g3-news-865.php

(VID) HTC Hero Build on our G1's- by Haykuro!
First of all to everyone that doesn't have a G1, Drop everything and go get one now!!!
WHY??
This is why....
1st Video!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKQj1xXFDSo
2nd video!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OMrSTEBeyI
"TO ALL THAT HAVE A G1, ALL WE CAN DO IS WAIT"

A-Developed said:
First of all to everyone that doesn't have a G1, Drop everything and go get one now!!!
WHY??
This is why....
1st Video!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKQj1xXFDSo
2nd video!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OMrSTEBeyI
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Christ. It's like no one knows what the search button is or even tries reading what's already on the forums. Pro tip: Lurk more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=515908

this just made me mad with happyness!

The voice in the video annoyed me.

JesusFreke,TheDude, and Haykuro working on the Hero build!!
While browsing threw both Haykuro's and TheDude's post I have learned that both have received the "HTC Hero ROM" from XDAN, Thus meaning both will have their own version of the "HTC Hero ROM"...! Also JF is also on this, don't know much about his works on this, but by what Haykuro and Dude have been posting, he is in it!!
(UPDATED) 12/23/09 Quote Haykuro:
"Im at work now guys, hopefully get some more work done with magic later.. might have some heroic experiences later today"
HTC Hero Build Update Videos By Haykuro:
1st
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWYtbCzupyU
2nd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxXy2Vg6ck0&feature=channel
3rd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnxD9MKFbJg&feature=channel
Quote TheDude's:
"Hi.
Reporting from insano pre-wedding bliss (sister's wedding is this weekend)
Expect something mondayish. Nothing big...just the boot img cleanup, and a newer a2sd script.
BUT
Something big later...so big...it's giving me a headache, but one day, if i'm lucky, I'll be your hero "
2nd Quote:
"This isn't donut. This is cupcake with some slick UI changes and some new providers."
Quote Haykuro's:
"to further explain what funbacon posted..
xdan provided me and dude with the hero ROM thus it's over at that Chinese site as well. (i figure he doesn't care about me telling now that he's talking about it).
EDIT: guys, please stop with the rumors. ha ha.
xdan provided the ROM, i did the porting.
I'm not sure where dude is as far as the build goes."
(UPDATE)QUOTE THE DUDE:Ok I'll fess up.
Haykuro and I are no longer building roms. We have a team of elves that work on 10 hour shifts injecting code as we specify.
JesusFreke is Santa Claus
(UPDATE) Quote Haykuro:
Hopefully get a newer hero build today.. in the mean time, would you guys like a new sapphire build?
Alright guys when i get home from school it'll be up
Its just going to be a completely stable version of 5.0.2 kind of like a mix between adp1.5 and 5.0.2 ill probably call it 6.0

we neeed answers LOL.

I know man!! The suspense is killing me!

notxel21 said:
I know man!! The suspense is killing me!
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aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! lol

Samsung Epic 4G Announced

http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2010/06/sprint-epic-4g-t-mobile-vibrant/
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=9843
This is the galaxy s pro.

This is...Epic....

Kcarpenter said:
This is...Epic....
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Did you realize the entire General section was at a halt until you said that? Also, QFT.

I bring all the boys to the yard

Kcarpenter said:
I bring all the boys to the yard
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You and your milkshake?

The name Samsung scares me after the Moment. How are the rest of their phones?

This might be my next phone.

gunnyman said:
The name Samsung scares me after the Moment. How are the rest of their phones?
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Hardware, like most Samsung products, is usually pretty immaculate - can't complain about that. TouchWhiz UI is likely garbage as with most Samsung products software.
So with Root and a competent developer who could get AOSP working - Rockin.

Kcarpenter said:
Hardware, like most Samsung products, is usually pretty immaculate - can't complain about that. TouchWhiz UI is likely garbage as with most Samsung products software.
So with Root and a competent developer who could get AOSP working - Rockin.
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My problems with the moment were hardware related. I'm going to keep an eye on this phone though. I want a kicking 3G phone though since I don't live in a 4G area and hate the idea of paying extra for a feature I won't use.

Kcarpenter said:
Hardware, like most Samsung products, is usually pretty immaculate - can't complain about that. TouchWhiz UI is likely garbage as with most Samsung products software.
So with Root and a competent developer who could get AOSP working - Rockin.
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Also they seem to hate the default way of setting up Android OS. Their file system is pretty bizarre.

every sammy i have owned has sucked.. lol but for every sammy i hated prolly 3 more liked.. so mostly personal pref..
Im happy to see this come to sprint..for one reason..they need it. more android..look at verizon.. lol

This is like phone porn. I'm all horny for touchwiz 3. http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/29/samsung-epic-4g-preview/

Think this will be my next phone, i'm tired of waiting for HTC to put out a killer android phone that has a slide out keyboard. I have had bad experiences with samsung phones in the past (they were before smart phones even existed) but i'm willing to give them one more shot with this phone.

I've never had a Sammy phone. I had a couple Sony Ericsson's and then the HTC Wizard came out, been with HTC ever since. The hard qwerty is what drew me to HTC, I had no idea places like xda existed. It's been over a year since HTC has made a keyboard phone and the HTC Vision has one but I think it's only going to Tmous and I can't do that because they dont have a single 3G tower in Arkansas... I'm presently on AT$T because when I first got a cellular in 2003 Cingular was the best carrier in the state and I'm a creature of habit so I've stuck with them. But, they suck about picking up phones I like, the iPhone has hamstrung their network, and they're handing out free femtocells but when I called about that they basically told me to fu*k off. My two complaints about my TP2 are slowness and no headphone jack. Epic 4G/Galaxy S Pro ameliorates both of those to a t...
So, how do you people like Sprint? They'd save me money and I like the new phone every year... Also, what's the build quality like on sammies? Last question is are they as easy to take apart/repair as HTC phones are?

I have to say that every samsung phone I, or anyone I know has owned, holds up like a tank. They drop them, throw them and step on them and they are fine. I wouldn't be that rough, but its nice to see.

Really? I was a little worried about build quality since they seem to use a lot of plastic and little if any metal. I'd love for Epic's slider to be as firm as the Droid's but wasn't expecting much.

Well, their initial quality is what it is. But they stay in that condition with very good resilliance in my, and my friend's, experience.

I have a sammy dumbphone, the a727, and it has amazing build quality. Soft touch plastic, super thin and light, great battery life.
Samsung can make a good phone if they put their minds to it. The epic seems like the best galaxy phone, mostly because of that soft touch back. Getting the soft touch battery cover for my Pre made it feel five times better, much more solid and durable than the crappy glossy bendy plastic that is default on the pre(and the other galaxy variants).

Can you see how far we've gotten in the world of on the go? =)
Another thing. Isn't this video just beautiful? --> Epic
Note: yes I bumped this ancient ass thread

Shoulon said:
Can you see how far we've gotten in the world of on the go? =)
Another thing. Isn't this video just beautiful? --> Epic
Note: yes I bumped this ancient ass thread
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Reflecting on Android OS from an early adopter (10/20/2008 - present)

There was something off about the iPhone to me back in 2007 when everyone first heard of the thing...prior to that I had a hard time adjusting to the apple experience, and being that I don't listen to music iPods and iTunes NEVER interested me. I do not like the way OS X is set up (seriously, finder bar? give me a menu in every window) but I did like the unification of the OS...anyways...the iPhone was cool, I liked it. It definitely was a game changer, no one will deny that. But this phone and it's sea of icons did not interest me...it was fun to look at, but just as with the finder bar, this sea of icons turned me off to the whole deal.
Anyways, I begin hearing whispers of an OS from Google...early screenshots leak (underwhelmed with the BB OS looking thing) then screenshots of the updated version begin to leak and what can I say...this thing was hideous...the icons, everything...just ugly...but I jumped in anyways...contract was up, I needed a new phone, and I liked everything else I read about it and I liked the desktop like feel of Android OS (that i inferred from images at least, as I hadn't touch the OS yet) anyways...October 20th, 2008...my phone arrives in the mail..I turn it on, I set it up...and I like it...not as polished as I would've hoped...but it was what it was.
Android still felt like a beta product (which carries to this day though to less an extent) but I managed despite my gripes with the phone...the market was immature, the OS was immature, MMS didn't work right, web was slow, browser was ugly, hell, the entire UI was what I would call ugly, but it was functional, and customizable as hell...at this point I didn't update but soon Jesusfreke released his rooted builds....and yea...the fun started then...I was no longer tied to T-mobile's release schedule...I had JFs 1.5, 1.6, tried hero, Eclair...then I heard of this Nexus One thingamajig...and I had to have it...So I had a plan.
I through sheer luck managed to acquire a seat at Google's Android Developers Lab in NYC for February 12th...at this point the Nexus had been out for a while, but me, knowing Google, KNEW I'd be getting a free phone...and I did.....a Motorola Droid...I must admit, I assumed the phone ugly...but damn was this thing sexy in hand...right heft, great display, speedy, HORRIBLE KEYBOARD, but Android 2.0 proved itself to be the OS Android should've been from the start...so I enjoyed my Droid for a week, rooted it, skinned it, etc...then put it back to stock sold it for 400 and used an additional 166.03 to buy the Nexus One...
and yea...Android after 1.5 years...is finally where it should be, and it can only go up. I still have my gripes with market Devs and their horrible understanding of UI and UX and even Icons....but for the most part, having been there since day 1 I am proud of where Android is heading...No where to go but up...
- Rant courtesy of Tristan C. aka Absolute Designz.

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Sorry, couldn't resist =) I agree though, it's been what.. 2 years or so, and we have an OS that's ready to beat the crap out of the market leader, Apple.
Imagine what will it be in 2 more years. People won't even remember that Apple made phones.

DarkDvr said:
Sorry, couldn't resist =) I agree though, it's been what.. 2 years or so, and we have an OS that's ready to beat the crap out of the market leader, Apple.
Imagine what will it be in 2 more years. People won't even remember that Apple made phones.
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http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/image/lolcat-boring-story.jpg
Sorry, couldn't resist =) I agree though, it's been what.. 2 years or so, and we have an OS that's ready to beat the crap out of the market leader, Apple.
Imagine what will it be in 2 more years. People won't even remember that Apple made phones.
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Sure they will, they'll be all "Finally a well designed phone running Halo Halo.

Damn,a lot of nostalgia posts like this lately.perhaps we're all itching for the nexus 2.
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I agree.
I got a T-Mobile G1 first day it came out, then a year later, got the MyTouch3G and had it for a month and returned it. Got pissed cuz the hardware was way underpowered. (Cupcake was the latest firmware back then).
I switched to the iPhone 3GS had it for 10 months. Jailbroken, hacked to hell, and you know what? It was great to use. Apps was a pleasure to use, games were awesome. I then got bored with it (as I do with EVERYTHING), and decided to try out the Nexus One with 2.1, hoping Android OS matured A LOT from Cupcake.
Well it did a bit, but still lacking in a lot of things. Currently on my Nexus One FRF91 firmware and yeah, having to deal with bugs and what not, it's painful. And the apps, gawd, it's horrible still .
Anyways I'm sticking with it, cuz I'm too broke to buy a new phone and pray each day Google improves Android little by little.

I started with windows way back when I was parting out my Civic SI and traded some dc racing headers for the Cingular 8125. I was like "wow this is so much cooler than my razr!" ..especially when I discovered tethering. But a 13,000 dollar cell bill later and I learned my lesson with that. Anyway.. I got fed up with WM while using the Kaiser and started researching Android. I purchased the N1 a week after it came out and haven't looked back. Gave my gf the ATT Tilt 2. She hates my Nexus One since her fingernails wont work with the touch screen, lmao.

AbsoluteDesignz said:
... and yea...Android after 1.5 years...is finally where it should be, and it can only go up. I still have my gripes with market Devs and their horrible understanding of UI and UX and even Icons....but for the most part, having been there since day 1 I am proud of where Android is heading...No where to go but up...
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UP UP UP!
True that bro!
My love started back when I bought my G1 in Ocrober 2008.
I've known then, what I know now - just with more certainty.
I know that Google and Android™ are fukken phenomenal. Apple and Microsoft are shiet. And all my future phones, and the phones of my family, will be Android™ based (as will be our microwaves, refigerators, televisions, ebooks, etc )
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...Imagine what will it be in 2 more years. People won't even remember that Apple made phones.
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They'll be like, "dewd, we're talking about phones here, m'kay? not produce!" LMAO
nxt said:
I agree.
I got a T-Mobile G1 first day it came out ... I then got bored with it (as I do with EVERYTHING)
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I got bored with all my phones.
I've been hacking/modding my phones since I had my first HTC smartphone (Audiovox SMT5600).
The G1 & N1, are the only phones that I am NOT bored with.
There's always something NEW to tinker with: a ROM, kernel, build.prop, theme, some new amazing app that, etc.
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I started with windows way back when ... But a 13,000 dollar cell bill later
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$13,000?
WTF?

Got my G1 on 02/09, leaving SE scene i wasnt sure what i was getting into, but fell in love with OS and its simplicity...android user for life

HTC Evo or Samsung Epic?

Im going to be eligible for an upgrade in October and I know others are waiting on theirs. Id like to know if you are going to upgrade, what are you planning to move to and why. Here is descriptions of both phones.
Samsung Epic 4G Preview
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HTC 4G Evo Review

I can't stand the samsung phones, especially after seeing how they treated the Moment (worse than the Hero was treated by HTC and Sprint). Not to mention I think the Epic looks like crap, and the Evo just looks freakin sexy

Touchwiz is pretty damn ugly and it's quite pervasive in the Galaxy S operating system. Then again, there will likely be custom roms and lots of support for the Epic since it will be on all major carriers. The screen kicks the EVO's ass and it's allegedly quite responsive, unlike the Moment. I think we need to wait for full reviews of the Epic.

I'm keeping my eye on the Epic too. There were some good points to the Moment but the bad outweighed the good.

They're both too damn big. Who has pockets that large?

cmccracken said:
They're both too damn big. Who has pockets that large?
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Both are intended for purses obviously.

lets hope software updates last longer than 6 months.

ya they are big..a damn holster would like so freakn silly for these phones.. hell the one for my hero with the seidio 3500 extended battery is huge already.lol
I think 3.5 to 3.8 inch would be my range as far as screens go.. any bigger and to me its like a mini tablet.lol
but like all will skip samsung because of one reason. they never have any good extended batteries.. unlike htc... where they are plenty... so might get a evo ( maybe ) around dec.. who knows.. still love my hero...to even think bout it.. I mean look at the dream..lol they got froyo.. the hero will still get support for a awhile..so why switch..when that money can go to something else.. like food,lol

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They're both too damn big. Who has pockets that large?
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the Evo will fit nicely in my back pocket. Hell, it'll fit nicely in my front pocket of any pair of my jeans. And it'll rarely be in my pocket anyway, since it sits on my seat in my car when I'm driving, and it'd sit on my desk while I'm at work, just the way my Hero does now

But the hero fits in my watch pocket also the epic is supposed to have a faster gpu. And I love my hero, but I like the idea of a keyboard for gaming.
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im like the epic better but like what has been said ill wait for reveiws and see what people say on here and see if samsung will fix any problems that might happen like with the evo

I plan on waiting for the dual cores next year anyways, not eligible for upgrade may.
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Both phones are nice and I think it comes down to three main factors imo:
1. Will Samsung Epic be rootable, and if so, will Dev support be equal to the Evo;
2. Do you prefer a physical keyboard; and
3. Do you prefer Sense UI over the Epic's UI
The thing that sucks (well, actually good) is that technology is always advancing and new devices are being released every few months and each release tries to out-do the last.
Personally, I'm going to say Samsung Epic since I am on a Hero and have problems using the keyboard. I'd like to give a physical keyboard a try for a few months.

srkmagnus said:
Both phones are nice and I think it comes down to three main factors imo:
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1. Will Samsung Epic be rootable, and if so, will Dev support be equal to the Evo;
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If its essentially the same as the other Galaxy S line up the yes easily rootable. The Dev Support should stretch across the lineup too.
2. Do you prefer a physical keyboard; and
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I have no specific preference but they are nice
3. Do you prefer Sense UI over the Epic's UI
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Neither! I want AOSP Froyo on it.
The thing that sucks (well, actually good) is that technology is always advancing and new devices are being released every few months and each release tries to out-do the last.
Personally, I'm going to say Samsung Epic since I am on a Hero and have problems using the keyboard. I'd like to give a physical keyboard a try for a few months.
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They just need to announce a damn release date.

spiritcrusher33 said:
ya they are big..a damn holster would like so freakn silly for these phones.. hell the one for my hero with the seidio 3500 extended battery is huge already.lol
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I have the seidio 3500 extended battery also. What holster are you using?!?!? I can't find anyone that fits it.

Im due for an update in october as well, I'm goin for the epic!
Sent from my Hero CDMA using XDA App

Hard to say. This is how I see it.
Epic: Best hardware, good physical size.
Evo: Full support of xda.
Top-notch hardware vs. top-notch modding community, it's a very hard decision (for me, at least).

I'm leaning towards the Epic. What keeps me on HTC phones is the support of this community. If that is going to carry over to the Epic, there is no real reason to stay with the Evo. HTC has poor support for their phones which has been proven by their lack of porting Froyo to the Hero. Clearly it is doable. Additionally, if the Epic crosses carriers, we will see a lot of great minds working on the same phone.

Ive read that the actual processing power on the galaxy s is quite better than the snapdragon processors, so if that's your thing...
Plus the pervasiveness of this phone might lead to a lot of work getting done in the xda community.