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I've been trying to figure this out on my own but keep coming up short. I want to root so that I can play around more with my phone, and use some of the apps and tweeks xdaer's are working on, but am not ready to flash a new ROM yet. I've been reading up on how to root, but it seems like any way I've found has me changing the recovery image, and or ROM. Can I root and still stay mostly stock, so that until I decide to flash a new ROM I still get OEM updates?
It's possible to root your N1 withouht flashing a custom ROM/recovery and as long as you keep your recovery stock you should still receive OTA updates.
You should consider flashing a custom ROM though; You'll get great new features that your stock phone wouldn't have (such as wired tethering or using all your ram instead of half) PLUS OTA updates since the devs usually patch them into their roms after google releases them officially
Exactly. OTAs take a week or so for everyone to get them. Why wait for this? Just get a custom rom which will have it built in the day it comes out (if not before hand).
Also I'm pretty sure there will be a manual way to force the update like there was last time.
That's a good point too ^
When an OTA update is released they get sent out to phones throughout the week, not all at once.
So when this happens a dev will usually get their hands on it and patch it into their roms, that way you can have it asap instead of waiting till you get your notification
So where can I find the best way to get this done. I've found a few ways to root it seems, and all are a little different. and they seem to have different software being used to get the same result.
http://androidandme.com/2010/01/hacks/video-how-to-unlock-and-root-a-nexus-one/
Thats how i did it. It was pretty easy.
whenever the custom rom is updated u have to flash again right? so u lose all ur customization (not the stuff u can backup) every time.. isn't that frustrating?
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whenever the custom rom is updated u have to flash again right? so u lose all ur customization (not the stuff u can backup) every time.. isn't that frustrating?
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Titanium Backup can save settings as well as apps. Just do the Batch option that basically backs up EVERYTHING. I'm pretty sure that's what you're worrying about.
Just made the jump yesterday. Worth it so far. Seems way faster and smoother in every way. Latest radio update, ROM, and overclocked-undervolted kernel. Worth a litlle time to recustomize.
After seeing JI5 and JI6 come out today, and hearing that the new updates fixed the GPS issue, I decided that I wanted to update.
But, I have a Mac.
Is there anyway to get this to work with a Mac or at least on Parallels? I am not going to go to all the trouble to get boot camp just for this purpose.
It worries me that when the full froyo comes out that I won't be able to upgrade to that either.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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After seeing JI5 and JI6 come out today, and hearing that the new updates fixed the GPS issue, I decided that I wanted to update.
But, I have a Mac.
Is there anyway to get this to work with a Mac or at least on Parallels? I am not going to go to all the trouble to get boot camp just for this purpose.
It worries me that when the full froyo comes out that I won't be able to upgrade to that either.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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The thing to keep in mind is that Samsung Kies is *NOT* a supported update method for any of the U.S. market Galaxy S phones. The only method officially supported by the 4 U.S. carriers is OTA updates.
In other words, anything crazy people like me (and a few others obviously LOL) find via Kies, or Samfirmwares.com, or modaco, or wherever...are likely to be leaked builds (not final builds) and builds that are not involved with official OTA updates.
Though we may eventually luck up on getting what ends up being OTA updates to 2.1 and 2.2 between now and whenever by doing these things, there are no guarantees.
Now, having said that, you are most likely to receive what ends up being an OTA update from HERE, due to the way OTA updates are staged out in batches. Just because an OTA update goes live on a given date does not mean that every single solitary phone will receive the update that day. It could take days or weeks for your phone to fall into a push batch for an OTA.
So, it depends on what you want to do. If you want to tweak, tinker, and experiment, you're going to have to have a Windows environment at this stage of things.
If you want to just enjoy your phone and be able to get an OTA when one drops...Just wait until it drops and with a dose of patience you'll be fine.
I dohave mac.. but that doesn't stop me from loading os.. I know for sure that someone on the development section will make a flashable version of it in which you use via rom manager or clockworkmod..
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I dohave mac.. but that doesn't stop me from loading os.. I know for sure that someone on the development section will make a flashable version of it in which you use via rom manager or clockworkmod..
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Rom Manager/Clockwork installable zips are made for EASE, not rock-solid-guaranteed-to-have-an-exit-strategy-reliability. Not that clockwork recovery is unreliable, but if you think that clockwork recovery is enough and will always save your bacon, your mistaken.
Even this can have its problems, especially if you encounter problems with a newer build and decide to (mistakenly) nandroid back to a JFD based build.
All of these newer builds are using a newer kernel, and nandroid will not restore a kernel. This is the reason WHY so many people had problems with JI5 dropping today because they didn't do their homework.
They see people like me, and others of course, who jump in and are successful with it. But I and a lot of people leave "understood" and obvious (to us) things unsaid because we at least vaguely think we know what we're doing LOL. And we are fully aware of the need for a reliable Odin setup as a necessary strategy to be this carefree with firmware testing.
At the end of the day, assuming you had a hardware button working Vibrant, the only way out of a bad scenario is Odin3. And that requires a Windows environment.
If you're going to hack android devices, rather than simply use them and rely on your provider for OTA's....you need a windows environment....or you had best really be on top of what your doing and be very careful. The need to have Odin available as a backup strategy when things go wrong really isn't optional.
Although I haven't tried it, I'm not completely sure that Odin won't work in a WINE bottle.
I'll give it a shot when I go home tonight and post a tutorial tomorrow if in does in fact work. I've read where it didn't recognize the Behold II's download mode under linux, but I'm giving it a shot either way.
i have an imac, had it for almost a year now. wouldnt trade it for a thing, but as a mac users; we need to realize, we can never ever ever push windows out of our life... ever. kinda defeats the purpose of buying and owning a mac, i know...
but still, i used odin on my sons laptop so i can get ji5.
I haven't had time to try it on my Mac, but on Linux you can use Virtualbox (free download from Sun/Oracle) to create a Windows XP VM to flash with Odin. It's pretty easy. I think Odin needs the Samsung drivers, so you might not be able to use Wine.
US updates are OTA--as said above. No need to use the computer.
Having said that, I run OS X 10.4 and I know I cannot really do anything with it. I wait for solid builds to come out/keep it simple/research any time I want to mess around inside the code. I bricked a phone and had to use a friend's computer to try and get ODIN to restore.
Bottom-line: If you are OS X dependent, USE CAUTION!!!
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US updates are OTA--as said above. No need to use the computer.
Having said that, I run OS X 10.4 and I know I cannot really do anything with it. I wait for solid builds to come out/keep it simple/research any time I want to mess around inside the code. I bricked a phone and had to use a friend's computer to try and get ODIN to restore.
Bottom-line: If you are OS X dependent, USE CAUTION!!!
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Question: When's the last time you got an update OTA?
Having said that, I run OS X 10.4 and I know I cannot really do anything with it.
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10.4?!! You're running a PPC mac and yes, there's nothing that YOU can do with it. That said, don't give you false advice to others.
jonjacobmoon said:
After seeing JI5 and JI6 come out today, and hearing that the new updates fixed the GPS issue, I decided that I wanted to update.
But, I have a Mac.
Is there anyway to get this to work with a Mac or at least on Parallels? I am not going to go to all the trouble to get boot camp just for this purpose.
It worries me that when the full froyo comes out that I won't be able to upgrade to that either.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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First, any official update will be an OTA and therefore will not need a computer. So the fact you're on a Mac won't be an issue at all.
Second, just do BootCamp. It's not really much of a hassle at all, and it's the best experience you can have running Windows on a Mac. I used to run into a lot of driver issues running Windows XP / Vista / 7 through Parallels and VMWare. Plus with how slow it ran and the amount of resources it ate up, I decided to go BootCamp and never looked back. Trust me, it's worth it.
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Question: When's the last time you got an update OTA?
10.4?!! You're running a PPC mac and yes, there's nothing that YOU can do with it. That said, don't give you false advice to others.
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Right..false advice. Good luck with that. This isn't my first rodeo...i love my 10.4 but it is pretty useless as per odin. You need a good platform if anything goes wrong.
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And yes, you will need to run parallels et al. Or rock a non osx device for an easier time.
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And yes, you will need to run parallels et al. Or rock a non osx device for an easier time.
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Odin does not recognize our phones in VMware or Parallels. Your only solution is boot camp. I don't now why you're moaning that it's so hard to install. It's literally 3 clicks, then you insert your Windows disk and reboot. If you want to play with leaked firmware, you're going to have to get over yourself.
New to the whole tablet thing, picked up my acer 2 days ago, figured i'd get accustomed to 3.2 before i flashed anything, picked it up pretty quick since 4.0 pulled alot from 3.0. Figured i'd stop in say hello!
It may be a "noobish" question but was curious if any devs planned on porting CM9 or possibly miui 4.0 over to the a500? seeing as these roms will be based off 4.0 it "should" work on both smartphones and tablets alike. Just a thought.
There are already at least two ICS ports in progress, one of which you'll find in the Development section. Go take a look, there's an alpha you can download to try if you want.
You'll need to be rooted and have CWM installed first. The A500 does NOT use the generic CWM, you need the one available here.
Oh, and welcome.
yah already got that, sounded more complicated then it was, hell of a method though i might add. on my sgs i skip the rooting, by just applying cwr with an update.zip then flashing a rooted rom. well i may look into a cm9/miui port after we get official ics. would be easier if i had the tabs drivers all bundled up in a pretty package for me. I don't know we'll see the last time i cooked and played Dev was windows Mobile 5x (i've been on xda awhile lol)
but it brings me to the question would CM9/miui actually be wanted on this device?
i've read a few articles stating that acer is looking to push ics early 2012, has acer been reasonably fast with there prior updates? i'm enjoying the 3.0 ui but it seems as far as skinning and themes goes the OS leaves a bit to be desired when compared to it's phone variant.
Support and follow up from Acer is a case of mixed emotion, like when your mother-in-law drives off a cliff in your new car.
Once they come out with an update, usually after the "expected" date, the stock rom is pretty solid. It is also crammed full of bloatware, and, of course, difficult if not possible to root.
Thank goodness for all the developers here who find a way around it. I would play with what you have, and once you find out its shortcomings, try some of the great roms you will find here. There is no "best" rom until you find the one that does what you want and you can deal with its personality.
I would suggest getting Root Explorer from the market because you can take a given rom and remove what you want. Once you have that, do a backup with CWM and then you always have a restore point.
Welcome to the forum. This is a great tablet in spite of Acer.
yah already have a root explorer, i use Es file explorer, never failed me yet in terms of root access, editing, and deleting or even pushing files into system area's.
so Acer can be a alil slow on updates? I guess thats to be expected most hardware companies seem to take there time on pushing updates out. Yah i noticed the rooting process was alil ass backwards considering my iconia came with 3.2.1 stock out of the box and then i had to revert back to 3.0.1 lol. I'm keeping my rom pretty stock. i mainly just wanted root access to remove bloat and unwanted programs.
also curious here why on earth is Market pulling from 2 different programs?
I have both Vending.apk and finsky.apk both of which appear to be market.
anyway to get a newer version of market installed? I tried pulling the 3.3.11 from Thor's rom but installing .apk's lead to FCing even with proper permissions.
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yah already have a root explorer, i use Es file explorer, never failed me yet in terms of root access, editing, and deleting or even pushing files into system area's.
so Acer can be a alil slow on updates? I guess thats to be expected most hardware companies seem to take there time on pushing updates out. Yah i noticed the rooting process was alil ass backwards considering my iconia came with 3.2.1 stock out of the box and then i had to revert back to 3.0.1 lol. I'm keeping my rom pretty stock. i mainly just wanted root access to remove bloat and unwanted programs.
also curious here why on earth is Market pulling from 2 different programs?
I have both Vending.apk and finsky.apk both of which appear to be market.
anyway to get a newer version of market installed? I tried pulling the 3.3.11 from Thor's rom but installing .apk's lead to FCing even with proper permissions.
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You can try the new market.apk in the attachments on the OP of this thread. It works with stock based 3.2 ROMs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1375091
Just download, and install
I'm another owner of the K1. I've had it for a while now since xmas and I do like it, but I cant get over the locked bootloader. I was hoping to be able to overclock it so apps for school would run nice and smooth but it doesnt seem to be happening.
Do you guys think I should hold onto it and wait for a root with recovery and hopefully some mods? Or just sell it and try to get a tegra 3?
I'm torn between this man because I have a beefy laptop so I dont need a quad core tablet, I just want it to be smooth. Kernels, overclocking and custom roms always did it for me in prior phones, now its like we're forced to upgrade every year
shoot me some advice
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I'm another owner of the K1. I've had it for a while now since xmas and I do like it, but I cant get over the locked bootloader. I was hoping to be able to overclock it so apps for school would run nice and smooth but it doesnt seem to be happening.
Do you guys think I should hold onto it and wait for a root with recovery and hopefully some mods? Or just sell it and try to get a tegra 3?
I'm torn between this man because I have a beefy laptop so I dont need a quad core tablet, I just want it to be smooth. Kernels, overclocking and custom roms always did it for me in prior phones, now its like we're forced to upgrade every year
shoot me some advice
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It has already been rooted. Once rooted you can OC all you want.
Thanks for the reply. Just wanted to make sure because the K1 doesnt even have its own category in xda.
So, this wont need a kernel to oc?
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Thanks for the reply. Just wanted to make sure because the K1 doesnt even have its own category in xda.
So, this wont need a kernel to oc?
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I do not OC, but have read links saying there are OC tools and all you need is root. So, you'll have to Google it knowing that you can get root and see if that's correct.
TD
timmyDean,
Thanks. Im just hoping to not run into any problems with overclocking it. Ive rooted a lot of phones and overclocked them all.. even overclocked my pc. Since I started I cant stop lol. Its compulsive, i know, but there is a difference in responsiveness so it's not all my my head lol
I'm on A301_13_13_111209_US
Kernel 2.6.36.3
Do you know which method I should run?
Sort of confused in your development thread about using different blobs and updating with OTA.
Yup, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21309379&postcount=50
This will flash you directly to 13_13US rooted!
You're the man! I'll be attempting this tonight. Hopefully all goes well.
One question tho, if someone manages to port over cwm, will there be custom roms and so on for this tablet? I saw someone working on porting cwm, but doesnt look too promising.
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You're the man! I'll be attempting this tonight. Hopefully all goes well.
One question tho, if someone manages to port over cwm, will there be custom roms and so on for this tablet? I saw someone working on porting cwm, but doesnt look too promising.
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CWM is already ported. I haven't tried it, but according to the developer it works. I have no reason to use it because there's nothing I want to load. I suspect it's just being used to make backups because I haven't seen any chatter on custom ROMS. As far as custom ROM development, who knows. In my opinion these Lenovo are 'junk'. Again, my opinion. Lenovo doesn't want you to modify their devices, so they make it hard to root. They want you to go to them for a custom ROM. We've tried that and it's a joke. We develop drivers and special drivers for hardware and develop several applications for vertical markets. Chances are, if you have a HC tablet you've got a driver buried in there that we wrote (our NDA keeps me from saying who, but I would say every make listed in these forums --if I were to guess). Our vertical applications cannot be sold as a solution to a fortune 500 company with us demanding they buy a custom Lenovo hardware. That has only worked with Government sales because the Lenovo suits convinced them that they are super secure.
Anyway, good luck
TD
Thats some good info man. Now I'm thinking of rooting and throwing it up for sale as rooted and buying a transformer prime
manooti said:
Thats some good info man. Now I'm thinking of rooting and throwing it up for sale as rooted and buying a transformer prime
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Also, might I add they seem to want to restrict you and feed you a bunch of their 'bloatware'. A few months back, when they were in talking with our management team they said they were offering a complete solution hardware and software. They want to make money on their Marketplace applications, etc etc. I sort of got the impression they thought that was where the real money was and not in just selling tablets.
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Now that makes sense. Theyll never release an unlocked boot
This sucks man..
Going to root after ghost adventures
One question before I go all the way with it, whats the procedure for updating with new releases? Best to wait for your releases?
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Now that makes sense. Theyll never release an unlocked boot
This sucks man..
Going to root after ghost adventures
One question before I go all the way with it, whats the procedure for updating with new releases? Best to wait for your releases?
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New releases, go for it:
This is what I do:
1. Backup my apps because if the OTA knocks out root(#), you have to flash it.
2. I install the backdoor
3. I backup the su
4. I lock the su and backup su so updates HOPEFULLY don't break root(#)
5. Then I take the OTA.
6. After OTA, I reconnect and see if root(#) is still working. If not, I try the backup root(#). If they are both gone, then I hope the backdoor still works. If not then I flash back to where I was. I then ***** at Lenovo and look for a way to hack it.
Anyway, the backdoor and locking of su are in a script file you can run as long as you have adb working. 99% of the time su stays (because you lock it) or the backdoor works. Also, before taking the OTA you can usually download and see what they are changing. If it breaks root and the back door then what I usually do is pull it apart and build a custom system.img. Inside the OTA zip will be the boot.img. You can actually take it and 'cook' it in your kitchen adding root. Then you take the system.img from a prior release, mount it, and replace all the files with the ones inside your OTA. Make sure you account for blob changes if they are in the OTA. If there's a blob, then put it in the blob tool folder, extract it, and add it to the flash and replace bootloader.bin. Swear some more at Lenovo, and flash in your custom ROM. Now ad su and busybox, and superuser.apk. Use the dump tools in dump folder to build a new system.img. Replace your cooked boot.img with the original OTA boot.img and you're done.
TD.
Then ***** at Lenovo some more lol.
Thanks for the tips, Ill try the script if there is a reasonable update for it ie ICS.
For now the root worked.. flawlessly. Thanks for your work man.
Hello all,
I just ordered a new Note 10.1 from Costco.com (32 gig) and from reading reviews and such I was thrown into the world of rooting. For my job, we were given iPhones so I've really only had an iPhone and am used to the iOS. Not a fan. Have always wanted to try Android but have never been thrown into it.
Are there any good guides out there to help me better understand rooting, etc.? I understand that you have to unlock it, then flash a custom ROM. What happens when the newer version of that ROM comes out? Do you lose all of your Data? Can any mod be installed on any ROM? I just don't have a good understanding of how or what to do. Granted, I don't even have the tablet yet, however, I don't want to be completely lost when I get it. I do like the idea of rooting, given that you can install powerful apps that are only offered to rooted tablets.
This is my first post here and am hoping for some helpful responses of maybe some threads that I should read to help me understand things better.
Also, where do you find custom ROMS? Is there a certain section you have to go? Or are all the custom ROMS under the ANDROID DEVELOPMENT forum?
Thanks for the help.
Rooting gives you access to the base files of your device. Your device does not need to be "unlocked." That term refers to modifying the device to work with other carriers (i.e. Sprint, ATT, etc) other than the one it was built to work with. Basically, in order to root, you must first install a custom "recovery." CWM (Clockwork Mod Recovery) is probably the best one for our Notes. The recovery files can be downloaded in the development forums. Along with the program (Odin) that you use to get the recovery installed onto your Note. Once you have CWM installed you can then use a couple of different methods to root or install a custom rom that is already rooted (again look for these roms in the development areas of this forum). Make sure that you read and re-read the instructions that each developer lists on their forum until you feel comfortable and then follow the instructions to the letter! Not doing so can result in your Note really getting messed up. I have not rooted my note yet, however I have rooted and installed custom ROMs to several android phones that I have or have had and it can be really worth it to do so. Personally I am waiting for awhile with my Note for some easier and more reliable methods and ROMs to become available. Right now, I have a Samsung Infuse phone with CM10 installed and a Samsung Captivate with Slim Rom-Jellybean on it. I believe that early versions of both of these ROMs are already available for the Note 10.1. Of the two ROMs, I would probably go with CM10 - (Cyanogen Mod) as it seems to be more stable on my phones. Also, when you install a custom ROM on the Note 10.1, there is a binary counter that advances, that lets anyone who would have to work on it (like for warranty service), know that a custom ROM was installed and that would violate your warranty. There is already a modification available (again, in the development section), that resets this counter, so make sure that you research that too! Good Luck!!!
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Rooting gives you access to the base files of your device. Your device does not need to be "unlocked." That term refers to modifying the device to work with other carriers (i.e. Sprint, ATT, etc) other than the one it was built to work with. Basically, in order to root, you must first install a custom "recovery." CWM (Clockwork Mod Recovery) is probably the best one for our Notes. The recovery files can be downloaded in the development forums. Along with the program (Odin) that you use to get the recovery installed onto your Note. Once you have CWM installed you can then use a couple of different methods to root or install a custom rom that is already rooted (again look for these roms in the development areas of this forum). Make sure that you read and re-read the instructions that each developer lists on their forum until you feel comfortable and then follow the instructions to the letter! Not doing so can result in your Note really getting messed up. I have not rooted my note yet, however I have rooted and installed custom ROMs to several android phones that I have or have had and it can be really worth it to do so. Personally I am waiting for awhile with my Note for some easier and more reliable methods and ROMs to become available. Right now, I have a Samsung Infuse phone with CM10 installed and a Samsung Captivate with Slim Rom-Jellybean on it. I believe that early versions of both of these ROMs are already available for the Note 10.1. Of the two ROMs, I would probably go with CM10 - (Cyanogen Mod) as it seems to be more stable on my phones. Also, when you install a custom ROM on the Note 10.1, there is a binary counter that advances, that lets anyone who would have to work on it (like for warranty service), know that a custom ROM was installed and that would violate your warranty. There is already a modification available (again, in the development section), that resets this counter, so make sure that you research that too! Good Luck!!!
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What are some of the main benefits to rooting then? I would think that if you have rooted a lot of phones you would for sure want your tablet rooted..?? Can you still perform mods to your tablet if it's NOT rooted? I saw someone with a cube on their homescreen with all their apps on it. It was 3D and pretty sweet looking. Will I be able to do stuff like that if I keep it stock.
Another thing, I read that you can't put apps on the expandable storage unless you root it...That is something I would like to do because I plan on putting games on it and such. Seems crappy you can't install some of the bigger apps on your 64 gig sd.
A lot is going to depend on which version of software you get initially on your tablet. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT let your tablet update the software when you first get it. The reason I say this is, if you have the older version of the software there is a very simple way to root your device. It's a simple install of one program and pushing a button. Very very easy.
If you get lucky and you get the older software and then root using the program I'm talking about, the next step is to spend $5 and buy Mobile Odin Pro. You can then download from here the latest software for your device and flash it using Mobile Odin with the ever root option. This will keep root on your new software. This will put you on the latest stock software and keep you rooted.
Custom ROMs can be nice. But I'd get my feet wet with the stock ROM before you start to jump into the Customs. First, stock on the Note 10.1 is pretty damn good. Second, you need to have some familiarity with what you want to be able to choose the right custom ROM to suit your needs. Finally, you'll give yourself some time to learn about your device so that you don't make a fatal mistake flashing, though most can be flashed using Mobile Odin.
Alas, if you get your Note and it turns out to have the latest ROM already, you can pretty much ignore everything I wrote.
just to give you one more thing to think about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
stock is nice btw
midas69 said:
A lot is going to depend on which version of software you get initially on your tablet. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT let your tablet update the software when you first get it. The reason I say this is, if you have the older version of the software there is a very simple way to root your device. It's a simple install of one program and pushing a button. Very very easy.
If you get lucky and you get the older software and then root using the program I'm talking about, the next step is to spend $5 and buy Mobile Odin Pro. You can then download from here the latest software for your device and flash it using Mobile Odin with the ever root option. This will keep root on your new software. This will put you on the latest stock software and keep you rooted.
Custom ROMs can be nice. But I'd get my feet wet with the stock ROM before you start to jump into the Customs. First, stock on the Note 10.1 is pretty damn good. Second, you need to have some familiarity with what you want to be able to choose the right custom ROM to suit your needs. Finally, you'll give yourself some time to learn about your device so that you don't make a fatal mistake flashing, though most can be flashed using Mobile Odin.
Alas, if you get your Note and it turns out to have the latest ROM already, you can pretty much ignore everything I wrote.
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That's good to know. Thank you.
jaydubbbbs said:
just to give you one more thing to think about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
stock is nice btw
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Thank you. I'll check that out. Now, the process that you linked me to, will that give me the latest version ROM (4.2.1?). Another thing, once I root it, will I be able to have the Tablet automatically update and download 4.3, 4.4, etc. and so on? or will I have to manually download and install the new one every time it comes out?
I read in sammobile that samsung will launch Note 8.0, it is true?
What do you think?
rooting
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That's good to know. Thank you.
Thank you. I'll check that out. Now, the process that you linked me to, will that give me the latest version ROM (4.2.1?). Another thing, once I root it, will I be able to have the Tablet automatically update and download 4.3, 4.4, etc. and so on? or will I have to manually download and install the new one every time it comes out?
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I have rooted several phones but not this tablet. Why? because for me the stock rom is good enough that I personally dont see an advantage to rooting it. Some like to root and install roms for the fun of it but I need the tablet to work and dont have time to futs around with getting to know a new rom.
I also have the impression,correct me if I'm wrong, that with custom roms you loose some of the multiscreen functionality and some of the pen functionality? If true that alone would keep me on stock.
optimus43 said:
I have rooted several phones but not this tablet. Why? because for me the stock rom is good enough that I personally dont see an advantage to rooting it. Some like to root and install roms for the fun of it but I need the tablet to work and dont have time to futs around with getting to know a new rom.
I also have the impression,correct me if I'm wrong, that with custom roms you loose some of the multiscreen functionality and some of the pen functionality? If true that alone would keep me on stock.
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There's more reasons to root other than just flashing custom ROMs. As a matter of fact, you really don't even have to root to install a custom ROM, you just need a custom recovery installed.
Personally I'm fine with the stock ROM on this tablet even though I run custom ROMs on my phones. I did have a custom ROM installed for a few weeks that was little more than the stock ROM with a few tweaks. It didn't lose any functionality with regards to multi-screen or pen. But some of the other more customized ROMs do lose functionality.
optimus43 said:
I have rooted several phones but not this tablet. Why? because for me the stock rom is good enough that I personally dont see an advantage to rooting it. Some like to root and install roms for the fun of it but I need the tablet to work and dont have time to futs around with getting to know a new rom.
I also have the impression,correct me if I'm wrong, that with custom roms you loose some of the multiscreen functionality and some of the pen functionality? If true that alone would keep me on stock.
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The only thing I care about is having the ability to install Google Apps that can only be installed on rooted ROMS. I've read that there are a lot of great apps for rooted ONLY tablets. Also, some of those 3D cube thingy's that have all the app icons on it are kind of cool. I don't know if you can install those on a stock ROM..??
deeselcyde said:
That's good to know. Thank you.
Thank you. I'll check that out. Now, the process that you linked me to, will that give me the latest version ROM (4.2.1?). Another thing, once I root it, will I be able to have the Tablet automatically update and download 4.3, 4.4, etc. and so on? or will I have to manually download and install the new one every time it comes out?
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no, it leaves the firmware as is and it simply gives you root access, i.e. administrative control over just about all processes that the tablet is capable of. It also allows you to flash custom ROMS. that method, along with the exynos exploit method ( not possible on 4.1.2), leave you as close to stock as possible . and leaves the official recovery. Someone will undoubtedly correct me if I am wrong, but so long as you don't flash a custom ROM, I believe you can still update through OTA. I know you can through KIES. If you do go with a custom ROM, I'm pretty sure you lose all the touch wiz goodies, like multi screen as another noted above. and likely would have to use ODIN or mobile ODIN to update.
deeselcyde said:
What are some of the main benefits to rooting then? I would think that if you have rooted a lot of phones you would for sure want your tablet rooted..?? Can you still perform mods to your tablet if it's NOT rooted? I saw someone with a cube on their homescreen with all their apps on it. It was 3D and pretty sweet looking. Will I be able to do stuff like that if I keep it stock.
Another thing, I read that you can't put apps on the expandable storage unless you root it...That is something I would like to do because I plan on putting games on it and such. Seems crappy you can't install some of the bigger apps on your 64 gig sd.
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Custom apps such as multi window manager. Custom roms if you wish. Overclock cpu with tegrak on stock rooted, it does sometimes come in handy to be safely overclocked. personally this tablet is so good off the shelf you dont NEED a custom rom but that overclock is good. Ability to access and change root files such as dolphin preference in order to make it work with flash player. More reliable backups of apps and data with titanium backup. There are a plethera of reasons for rooting a tablet. But do be cautious.
Don't forget you need root for AdAway. You also need root if you want to play around (very dangerous) with the build.prop file to try to install programs that the Play Store says aren't compatible.
deeselcyde said:
The only thing I care about is having the ability to install Google Apps that can only be installed on rooted ROMS. I've read that there are a lot of great apps for rooted ONLY tablets. Also, some of those 3D cube thingy's that have all the app icons on it are kind of cool. I don't know if you can install those on a stock ROM..??
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The 3d cube things I think your talking about are scroll effects, like cube, sphere or card stack. You dont need to be rooted for these, you can just download a launcher (nova, apex, adw) from the play store and change the effects in there.
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jaydubbbbs said:
just to give you one more thing to think about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
stock is nice btw
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One more question about that link. So once I follow the instructions provided in the link to root my Note 10.1, will I still have the custom ROM? And, will I be able to auto update from Samsung or whoever whenever a new version of the Android ROM comes out? I don't necessarily care about having someones custom ROM, I just want the benefits of using the GAPPS that I wouldn't be able to use if I wasn't rooted.
Thanks.