A good friend is planning to upgrade from the G1 to the Nexus One very soon and is asking me if it still seems like a good idea.
He and I bought G1s within a month of its introduction the year before last (he urged me to get one in fact) and I became obsessed with modding it while he has been content with the normal (unrooted) OS and user interface. I jumped to Verizon to get on a family plan with my wife when the Droid came out, convinced it was the best Android hardware available, but when the Nexus One specs started showing up I started urging him to give it a serious look.
We both became convinced it was going to be a good upgrade for him (he's still on T-Mo) but started having some second thoughts after all the irregular 3G access and other issues started surfacing.
So the question is: Is the Nexus One still a no-brainer for an Android fan wanting to upgrade? Do you regret getting one?
Thanks for any input or advice you can offer!
For Android fan, i would say yes. its been 2 weeks and Google and HTC still havent solved ANY issues with Nexus, but my guess is that eventually they will. Its a great phone with good hardware, but there are lots of bugs in Nexus that I have not had in MyTouch 3G.
The Nexus One is awesome. I get 4 bars of 3G anywhere in Boston, so I think it all depends on the quality of the T-mobile network in your area. Personally, I've never noticed the 3G problem with the Nexus, but expect that to the extent that it does exist, it will be cleaned up with a firmware update.
If your friend is used to an open Android experience I think he'll have a tough time working in a more restricted environment like an I-phone. Maybe I've just become a fanboy though!
I am surrounded by purple (tmobile 3g) I live in Miami.
I have tested the nexus one with 1.6 android and noticed I had no problems connecting I was getting awesome speeds.
I personally think the issue is software based.
Overall i THINK THE NEXUS ONE is a great device and highly recommended. your friend will fall in love with the screen and speed of the phone.
Some minor setbacks but overall the phone is amazing. I switched from teh droid to the N1 im satisfied.
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So the question is: Is the Nexus One still a no-brainer for an Android fan wanting to upgrade?
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It is not a no brainer, but it is a worthwhile upgrade. Does your friend rely heavily on the hardware keyboard? If so you might hold out for a few more months and see if the rumored N2 with keyboard comes out.
If keyboard does not matter can he hold out for another month or is he really hankering for muffin. If he can hold out then this would give these initial jitters time to settle down and be corrected.
Overall I am very pleased with the N1. It is fast and definitely improves upon many points over the G1. On the other hand my N1 is currently on its way to HTC (dust bunny) so I am back to using my G1 for now. The screen real estate is probably the biggest thing I miss. The performance is not as good, but not so bad as to make lose my will to live.
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Do you regret getting one?!
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GNOve said:
I am surrounded by purple (tmobile 3g) I live in Miami.
I have tested the nexus one with 1.6 android and noticed I had no problems connecting I was getting awesome speed
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You installed 1.6 on a nexus one? May I ask how/why?
thanks all for the replies so far
JanetPanic said:
It is not a no brainer, but it is a worthwhile upgrade. Does your friend rely heavily on the hardware keyboard? If so you might hold out for a few more months and see if the rumored N2 with keyboard comes out.
If keyboard does not matter can he hold out for another month or is he really hankering for muffin. If he can hold out then this would give these initial jitters time to settle down and be corrected.
Overall I am very pleased with the N1. It is fast and definitely improves upon many points over the G1. On the other hand my N1 is currently on its way to HTC (dust bunny) so I am back to using my G1 for now. The screen real estate is probably the biggest thing I miss. The performance is not as good, but not so bad as to make lose my will to live.
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The hardware keyboard was a big reason I went with the Droid, but I was very disappointed for the first month with it since I was so used to the (sweet) keyboard on the G1 and also quite spoiled with Cyanogen's ROMs. When the Droid got root my aggravation subsided a great deal but I'm still slightly underwhelmed (my latest complaint is that the metallic edge around the (sweet) display is starting to chip a little, grr).
When I started using Swype on the Droid, I told my buddy that I no longer consider a hard keyboard to be a must on an Android phone. I love the way Swype works and would definitely switch to the better processor, improved RAM, etc. of the N1 even without the hard keyboard. I've got my fingers crossed that the Moto Shadow goes CDMA with a blazing chip at some point, but I might "settle" for an N1 when it comes to Vz.
Thanks all for the great comments!
I just recommended the Nexus to a friend at work today, so my answer is yes. I havent had any issues with mine, I love it, I have another line and my G1's on it but I dont think Ive used it more than twice since I got my Nexus the day it came out.
It's really a simply decision man... if he's more like us, a die-hard phone junkie, then he'll probably buy it no matter what you suggest. If he is willing to wait, he probably should. Hopefully in a few weeks the 3G and dust issues will be resolved.
ei8htohms said:
A good friend is planning to upgrade from the G1 to the Nexus One very soon and is asking me if it still seems like a good idea.
He and I bought G1s within a month of its introduction the year before last (he urged me to get one in fact) and I became obsessed with modding it while he has been content with the normal (unrooted) OS and user interface. I jumped to Verizon to get on a family plan with my wife when the Droid came out, convinced it was the best Android hardware available, but when the Nexus One specs started showing up I started urging him to give it a serious look.
We both became convinced it was going to be a good upgrade for him (he's still on T-Mo) but started having some second thoughts after all the irregular 3G access and other issues started surfacing.
So the question is: Is the Nexus One still a no-brainer for an Android fan wanting to upgrade? Do you regret getting one?
Thanks for any input or advice you can offer!
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In spite of all the issues, the answer is still HELL YEAH!
The 3G problem is SOFTWARE, and will be fixed by a System Update.
i would definitely do the same and recommend the Nexus One
The Nexus One is awesome & high style! Fast, 4 bars of 3G anywhere in LV, no 3G issues with the Nexus. Go for it and never look back
thanks all for the various replies. i'm the "friend" in the original poster's post.
i do not intend to root my Nexus One.
my concern stems from the seemingly total lack of customer support should one get a defective unit. my G1 is working ok now so i don't see the need to get stomach acid if indeed the Nexus One has a larger than typical defective rate.
one poster/reply wrote that they think that the 3G connectivity and dust issues should be remedied shortly. may i respectfully disagree regarding the dust issue? i DO agree that the 3G issue may well be solved soon via a software update, but i do not agree that the dust issue will be resolved anytime soon. Production lines cannot turn on a dime so quickly and the inventory that is being sold this coming week (this coming week, week of 1/25th, is when i intend to order my Nexus One if the good folks here recommends going forward with it) were produced at least 1-2 months ago in Asia.
What do y'all think, may i ask?
thx in advance for helping me out!
My phone works great in NY. 4 bars pretty much anywhere I go.
Rooted and loving. No problems that couldn't be fixed with a little search or flash.
Coming from having the G1 for the past year, I would definately recommend the N1.
This is an HTC phone... so the dust issue will most likely always be there. Having said that, this phone is fantastic. It's got some small bugs but the hardware is brand new and this phone is all Google and HTC so any updates should come pretty swiftly once they get rolling.
I'd recommend this phone to anyone who's looking for a thin, powerful, fast device. Things are only going to get better with Android, and this phone probably won't have a hard time keeping up.
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When I started using Swype on the Droid, I told my buddy that I no longer consider a hard keyboard to be a must on an Android phone. I love the way Swype works and would definitely switch to the better processor, improved RAM, etc. of the N1 even without the hard keyboard. I've got my fingers crossed that the Moto Shadow goes CDMA with a blazing chip at some point, but I might "settle" for an N1 when it comes to Vz.
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What is Swype?
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What is Swype?
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It is an alternative keyboard. instead of typing the individual letters for a word you drag your finger from one letter to the next. It can be frustrating at times when the word you want does not appear but in general I think it is great. it is the keyboard I use as well on my N1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRUoWUhcRlE
though they have improved it some since this demo was done.
Ive had the Nexus for over a week now and its far more faster and stable than other manufacturers phones when they come out i.e. Samsung / Nokia / Blackberry.
This thing is fast and quite stable.
GO FOR IT !!!!
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thanks all for the various replies. i'm the "friend" in the original poster's post.
i do not intend to root my Nexus One.
my concern stems from the seemingly total lack of customer support should one get a defective unit. my G1 is working ok now so i don't see the need to get stomach acid if indeed the Nexus One has a larger than typical defective rate.
one poster/reply wrote that they think that the 3G connectivity and dust issues should be remedied shortly. may i respectfully disagree regarding the dust issue? i DO agree that the 3G issue may well be solved soon via a software update, but i do not agree that the dust issue will be resolved anytime soon. Production lines cannot turn on a dime so quickly and the inventory that is being sold this coming week (this coming week, week of 1/25th, is when i intend to order my Nexus One if the good folks here recommends going forward with it) were produced at least 1-2 months ago in Asia.
What do y'all think, may i ask?
thx in advance for helping me out!
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If you don't plan on rooting, the N1 is still a great phone. I know quite a few people who have one and they love it. Most of them just use it with out tinkering.
The majority of the people here root their phones. Also, keep in mind this place is somewhat of an unofficial 'support' group. People come here looking for the advice of others if/when they have trouble. While possible, I don't think it's very likely that you would would end up with defective hardware in the first place. If you're not rooting, I doubt you would have very much trouble out of HTC getting a replacement if you somehow do.
The N1 is a badass phone, I <3 mine for everything it is and am recommending it to anyone who asks me what phone they should get.
my 2 cents...
DualMonitors said:
thanks all for the various replies. i'm the "friend" in the original poster's post.
i do not intend to root my Nexus One.
my concern stems from the seemingly total lack of customer support should one get a defective unit. my G1 is working ok now so i don't see the need to get stomach acid if indeed the Nexus One has a larger than typical defective rate.
one poster/reply wrote that they think that the 3G connectivity and dust issues should be remedied shortly. may i respectfully disagree regarding the dust issue? i DO agree that the 3G issue may well be solved soon via a software update, but i do not agree that the dust issue will be resolved anytime soon. Production lines cannot turn on a dime so quickly and the inventory that is being sold this coming week (this coming week, week of 1/25th, is when i intend to order my Nexus One if the good folks here recommends going forward with it) were produced at least 1-2 months ago in Asia.
What do y'all think, may i ask?
thx in advance for helping me out!
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Its a great phone, I love my N1. Well-built, excellent form factor, and as others have said, its FAST! If you do a lot of web browsing you'll appreciate the phone, not only does it load and just move quicker than the G1, the larger screen makes reading so much more pleasurable. Also, since you're unrooted, you may or may not get 2.1 on your G1. I like 2.1 alot, its a vast improvement over 1.6.
I will say though that I do miss the physical keyboard. If you don't do a lot of typing it won't matter so much I don't think.
But seriously, its a solid phone, recommended.
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Hi everyone,
I'm in the midst of trying to understand the full potential of a rooted Android phone, and have started a thread here. I wish to invite users with good knowledge of what a rooted phone could do to contribute to the thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6210151#post6210151
Looking forward to your participation.
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This phone is going to be incredible!!! the nexus one and its insane price tag will eat it bad on this one. Plus the Incredible is hands down better than the nexus, and thats just on paper!!! wait till it in our hands!!! lol I have a ROOTED Droid Eris (selling to help compensate for incredible) thats a month old, a ROOTED and OvrClocked Moto Droid thats a week old, and I already have pre-ordered a shiny new HTC Incredible (soon to be rooted lol).
about the droid
the droid is not hands down better then the nexous one
they are the same phones same processors and almost same everything
the droid has a better camera and more ram
thats it
so how is that hands down a better phone
i ordered mine and got it yesterday for my wife she is on verizon
i have the nexous one and after hella playing with both and testing both there about the same
my nexous one is faster but its rooted
i like the droids looks and how skinny it is but its not hands down better then the nexous one
also its does not have the Noise Cancellation technology but from what i can tell there both great call audio
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This phone is going to be incredible!!! the nexus one and its insane price tag will eat it bad on this one. Plus the Incredible is hands down better than the nexus, and thats just on paper!!! wait till it in our hands!!! lol I have a ROOTED Droid Eris (selling to help compensate for incredible) thats a month old, a ROOTED and OvrClocked Moto Droid thats a week old, and I already have pre-ordered a shiny new HTC Incredible (soon to be rooted lol).
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3 new phones in a month? Wow. Can your reverse the root on the Eris and Droid and return them? I thought people had 30 days to evaluate and return.
He's a collector
sn95chico said:
the droid is not hands down better then the nexous one
they are the same phones same processors and almost same everything
the droid has a better camera and more ram
thats it
so how is that hands down a better phone
i ordered mine and got it yesterday for my wife she is on verizon
i have the nexous one and after hella playing with both and testing both there about the same
my nexous one is faster but its rooted
i like the droids looks and how skinny it is but its not hands down better then the nexous one
also its does not have the Noise Cancellation technology but from what i can tell there both great call audio
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Well for one. It has better touch sensor technology, 8gig of internal memory for music/media/whatever/, actually can get reception? The noise cancel tech isn't really important and doesn't always work flawlessly. Just the better touch senor and reception make it FAR superior to the nexus one. Plus it has an Fm modulator and an 8mp cam that apparently takes great pics and video soo,
the droid is not hands down better then the nexous one
they are the same phones same processors and almost same everything
the droid has a bett
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Well for one. It has better touch sensor technology, 8gig of internal memory for music/media/whatever/, actually can get reception? The noise cancel tech isn't really important and doesn't always work flawlessly. Just the better touch senor and reception make it FAR superior to the nexus one. Plus it has an Fm modulator and an 8mp cam that apparently takes great pics and video soo,
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See if you still feel the same when N1 is running Froyo while INC is still stuck on Eclair many months from now lol
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See if you still feel the same when N1 is running Froyo while INC is still stuck on Eclair many months from now lol
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Please tell me you're joking.
I'm gonna throw this out there right now:
The Nexus One is JUNK.
Between the crap screen, crap touch sensor, crap network (mine was tmo), there's no arguing that the Incredible is better.
And check this out. You're probably unfamiliar with the concept, so I'll help drop some knowledge on you....
Custom Roms.
When Froyo is released for any phone, someone will package it for the Incredible (and every other device under the sun. Maybe we'll have to wait a week or two, maybe we won't. But I'll tell you this - I won't miss clicking my 'Browser' icon on my desktop and the piece of $h!t touchscreen sensor mistaking it for 'Phone'.
m1k3- said:
Please tell me you're joking.
I'm gonna throw this out there right now:
The Nexus One is JUNK.
Between the crap screen, crap touch sensor, crap network (mine was tmo), there's no arguing that the Incredible is better.
And check this out. You're probably unfamiliar with the concept, so I'll help drop some knowledge on you....
Custom Roms.
When Froyo is released for any phone, someone will package it for the Incredible (and every other device under the sun. Maybe we'll have to wait a week or two, maybe we won't. But I'll tell you this - I won't miss clicking my 'Browser' icon on my desktop and the piece of $h!t touchscreen sensor mistaking it for 'Phone'.
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Im going to throw this out there for you....
Nexus one is far from junk.
I have it and I am on Tmo, I have excellent reception, the screen is loads better than many phones, and my touch screen works fine.
My Co-worker just got the incredible under my advisement when it became clear that verizon was passing on the nexus. I have played with it and put swype and the 3d gallery on it for her. It is a nice phone, sure it has some upgrades compared to the nexus but is is far from an "OMG this phone pwns" type of a situation.
As far as the firmware issue...not everyone wants to void their warranty and put custom firmware on their device, some people just want a legit OTA update in a timely fashion...me I always void warranties.
Different opinions are fine, but you dont have to be a closed minded douche about it.
Mike
I agree with Mike the N1 is not junk. I made the switch from the N1 to the Incredible. While I freaking love the Incredible (especially the fact that the touchscreen isn't laggy/glitchy) and have found it to be markedly more polished, I will always regard my N1 fondly. It was so nice knowing that root access was waiting for me before my device even arrived (it may be a while before this happens with the Incredible), and the level of customization available for the N1 made it a blast to play with (and made it fast as hell too). What I don't understand is why people get so pissy in these threads. I mean c'mon, we are only dealing with phones here. I would hate to see how some of these folks react in situations that actually matter
it's called credibility....
Until you guys, NOT MENTIONING ANY NAMES, can say that something "is better THAN" something else instead of "better THEN" you sound like an uneducated idiot. And I can't even finish reading your post because anything you say has no CREDIBILITY. sorry.
Ok but seriously, i'm on verizon, have had the vogue, hated WINMO, switched to blackberry pearl flip, which was nice to me, except locked gps, then found this awesome site, unlocked my vogue, put a 6.5 rom on it (thanks nfsfan) tried most of the android distros, and realized that a phone pumping some power paired up with android is the way to go. Ordered my incredible online, it arrived friday, waiting on me when i got home from work, and haven't looked back. I don't have direct comparison to a N1 or Eris, or any other android phone for that matter, but it is AWE-SOME..... Screen is brilliant, connectivity is easy, feels good in the hands... i also work for a company that sells sprint, so i will get to do a side by side with the EVO that is supposed to conquer anything else that is currently out. we'll see....
mike105105 said:
Im going to throw this out there for you....
Nexus one is far from junk.
I have it and I am on Tmo, I have excellent reception, the screen is loads better than many phones, and my touch screen works fine.
My Co-worker just got the incredible under my advisement when it became clear that verizon was passing on the nexus. I have played with it and put swype and the 3d gallery on it for her. It is a nice phone, sure it has some upgrades compared to the nexus but is is far from an "OMG this phone pwns" type of a situation.
As far as the firmware issue...not everyone wants to void their warranty and put custom firmware on their device, some people just want a legit OTA update in a timely fashion...me I always void warranties.
Different opinions are fine, but you dont have to be a closed minded douche about it.
Mike
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Uh, are you familiar with the touch controller's tracking issues? And that's not even to mention the 3g issues. Screens spontaneously cracking? N1 has issues.
As far as people wanting to keep their phones stock... To each their own for sure on that one.
However if you're one of those people, why would you even be here?
The point was that the Incredible wouldn't get Froyo for "several months" after the N1 does. That's a BS statement and I called him on it. If that makes me a ****, I'll take the hit.
Personally the N1 seems like a better phone because I don't have to deal with the bugs. But thats only because I don't own one of them yet.
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Uh, are you familiar with the touch controller's tracking issues? And that's not even to mention the 3g issues. Screens spontaneously cracking? N1 has issues.
As far as people wanting to keep their phones stock... To each their own for sure on that one.
However if you're one of those people, why would you even be here?
The point was that the Incredible wouldn't get Froyo for "several months" after the N1 does. That's a BS statement and I called him on it. If that makes me a *****, I'll take the hit.
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First off, the touchscreen issue is a combo of software and crap buildup on the screen, once I took care of those issues it hasnt happened again.
Like I said I have no issues with 3g.
A few random people out of a couple hundred thousand phones does not make the screen cracking a real issue, more than likely a user problem...though I am not placing blame just stating a very real possibility.
If you know what this site is like then you must know that many people come here for things other than custom firmware, from apps to Q&A, this site has more to offer than custom firmware.
And as for his original statement on froyo, he is probably right in that the nexus will get an OFFICIAL upgrade before the other phones.
And you are a **** because you used the term ****
Mike
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First off, the touchscreen issue is a combo of software and crap buildup on the screen, once I took care of those issues it hasnt happened again.
Like I said I have no issues with 3g.
A few random people out of a couple hundred thousand phones does not make the screen cracking a real issue, more than likely a user problem...though I am not placing blame just stating a very real possibility.
If you know what this site is like then you must know that many people come here for things other than custom firmware, from apps to Q&A, this site has more to offer than custom firmware.
And as for his original statement on froyo, he is probably right in that the nexus will get an OFFICIAL upgrade before the other phones.
And you are a **** because you used the term ****
Mike
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Congratulations on not having the 3g issues like thousands of other people have had. Maybe it's because you're not a ****? Or maybe your N1 is magical? Or maybe you're just in denial about it?
At any rate, I don't believe your touchscreen issues were resolved with a kleenex. Many believe it's due to the actual controller in the phone. Maybe it could be fixed with software, maybe not. Either way nothing's been done about it to this point, so the issue still exists. But since we've established your N1 may be magical, you may not have these issues.
As far as an OFFICIAL SUPER DOPE FROYO RELEASE.
Hey, if you're naive enough to run a completely non-optimized stock ROM on your phone..... Have at it.
Again, your point was that we Incredible users would have to wait SEVERAL MONTHS for Froyo. We won't. Deal with it.
In terms of a Development Community the Nexus is the way to go(CyanogenMod, need i say more?).
But as far as a 'features' comparison goes the Incredible wins.
Also as far as a reliable network outside of major metro areas Verizon owns T-Mobile.
When the Incredible has root user access and superuser permissions enabled there will be less that separates the two assuming Sense is able to be removed and native 2.2 is able to be installed on the Incredible.
As a Verizon customer who wants reliable coverage, I had to go with the Incredible. If we all wait for the 'next best phone' well we would never buy a phone b/c that happens monthly. Let's do out best to support the developers and not piss off the Nexus one developers too much because if we are nice and supportive maybe they will work to enable the features that the Nexus One has with root access to our Incredibles, cyanogenmod included.
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Congratulations on not having the 3g issues like thousands of other people have had. Maybe it's because you're not a *****? Or maybe your N1 is magical? Or maybe you're just in denial about it?
At any rate, I don't believe your touchscreen issues were resolved with a kleenex. Many believe it's due to the actual controller in the phone. Maybe it could be fixed with software, maybe not. Either way nothing's been done about it to this point, so the issue still exists. But since we've established your N1 may be magical, you may not have these issues.
As far as an OFFICIAL SUPER DOPE FROYO RELEASE.
Hey, if you're naive enough to run a completely non-optimized stock ROM on your phone..... Have at it.
Again, your point was that we Incredible users would have to wait SEVERAL MONTHS for Froyo. We won't. Deal with it.
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Look, I really wish this didnt have to spiral into childish bull. The whole point was you were acting like an **** before, and then you continue to act like an ****. Just GROW UP!! My phone is not magical it is just the fact that NOT EVERYONE HAS THOSE ISSUES.
Do some damn reading, capacitive touchscreens can be affected by conductive buildup on the screen...like greasy fingerprints and sweat, so yeah I have CM installed and I keep my screen clean and I have not had the issue again. How can it be the controller when that same controller is used in many other devices.
And once again, just because many people do have 3g issues doesnt mean everyone does. I have a constant 3g connection and have no issues, no magic involved.
And your last ridiculously stupid comment about running stock froyo...what is wrong with people possibly wanting to stick to a stock OS...that was not the original argument, the original argument was who was going to get an official update first, not weather stock is better than custom.
The problem with your arguments is that you are using an all or nothing logic, if some people have an issue it means everyone has that issue...regardless of what they tell you. You just make some nonsensical statements about their phone being magical, and some weak attempts at witty put downs.
THE ONLY THING THAT WAS BEING ARGUED IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WAY YOU WERE ACTING.
TREAT PEOPLE WITH SOME RESPECT!
Mike
So the person that started name-calling (you) is lamenting that the thread has spiraled into something childish. Oh, the irony.
Why haven't there been a rash of complaints about touchscreen inaccuracy on any other android phone (at least not to the extent of the problems with the N1)? Oh wait, I know! N1 users must have greasier fingers than the average users of other android phones, right?
Wipe the screen? That's your fix? Seriously? I've used touchscreen phones for about 5 years now:
2 treos, 2 iphones, 3 android phones.
The ONLY touchscreen I've ever had ANY issues with is my N1. To be fair, the treos obviously weren't capacative, but still.
My argument isn't an all or nothing argument. Heck, I never even said the Incredible 'totally pwns' the N1. My only point is that the N1 had way too many bugs when it was first released. My opinion is that for the cost of the phone, some of the parts are a bit questionable.
And again, when it comes to Froyo, don't roll up on what's probably the largest android custom rom development site bragging about how the Incredible isn't going to get an OFFICIAL Froyo update until way after the N1. Because the 99% of us that are here are using custom roms (yourself included) and we just don't give a ****. Again, deal with it.
Thepoint in saying what he did about Froyo was basically 'HAHA THE N1 IS GONNA HAVE FROYO AND ALL OF ITS DOPE FEATURES MONTHS BEFORE YOUR INCREDIBLE WILL'. Again, it's simply not true and we all know it.
In the end, it's just my opinion about a phone.
MY problem is you made a bunch of matter-of-fact statements, I said that is not so with my phone, then you go and start mocking me saying that my phone must be magical.
Ok so you have used touchscreen phones for years...I am an electronics technician and an embedded systems programmer...but go ahead and tell me, because you know better, that a dirty capacitive screen, along with a sensor gain turned up too high in software cant cause the exact issues. I mean a bunch of people admitted that the problem went away after they changed firmware.
As far as the N1 having too many bugs, didnt the incredible already get an OTA because of a few major bugs.
And once again your lack of logic shows....the froyo thing....I will say it again, it doesnt matter how many people come here for custom firmware, most does not equal all so stop saying that just because many of the people here use CF, that is all everyone here uses. The point is still valid, the N1 will probably get an OFFICIAL update first. That word I used, official, is a qualifier...that means the argument I am making is based on that point being true.
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MY problem is you made a bunch of matter-of-fact statements, I said that is not so with my phone, then you go and start mocking me saying that my phone must be magical.
Ok so you have used touchscreen phones for years...I am an electronics technician and an embedded systems programmer...but go ahead and tell me, because you know better, that a dirty capacitive screen, along with a sensor gain turned up too high in software cant cause the exact issues. I mean a bunch of people admitted that the problem went away after they changed firmware.
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Word. Your theory could hold water. However, I'm a Linux Sys Engineer going on about 10 years now, so I do know a thing or two about Linux. And what I know leads me to believe otherwise. From the stock ROM, to the several versions of CM, to a few versions of KingClick's Desire ROM, ALL of them exhibit the touchscreen issues on my phone. This is probably due to the fact that while each one might run slightly modified kernels, the module that handles the touchscreen support is the same in all of them, since it's ultimately built from the same sources. Maybe it's my specific phone, but I find that hard to believe given the scope of complaints I've read here and elsewhere on the Internet.
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As far as the N1 having too many bugs, didnt the incredible already get an OTA because of a few major bugs.
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Indeed, sir. But as far as I know it was only to resolve an exchange support issue. I'll gladly deal with this issue to have a properly working touchscreen. Again, I never said or even implied the Incredible is perfect.
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And once again your lack of logic shows....the froyo thing....I will say it again, it doesnt matter how many people come here for custom firmware, most does not equal all so stop saying that just because many of the people here use CF, that is all everyone here uses. The point is still valid, the N1 will probably get an OFFICIAL update first. That word I used, official, is a qualifier...that means the argument I am making is based on that point being true.
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You're arguing with yourself on this one, dude.
My logic was quite lucid. My point was essentially that I believe 99% of the people who frequent these forums run custom ROMs on their handsets. Therefore other than using them for the purposes of building custom ROMs, no one really gives a rat's a** about 'official' ROMs, because 99% of the people here probably don't run them on their phone.
Furthermore, the 99% of us that do run custom ROMs will be running the Incredible's version of whatever Froyo ROMs are available.... Probably within a week or two of when they're available for the N1. We will not have to wait 'several months' as the other dude stated earlier.
So I've had my n1 (two actually, claimed insurance on first one cuz I accidentally smashed it) since its release. Got the g2 on oct4 (west coast early store sell) and today I've decided to return the g2.
I love the keyboard but I'm faster on my nexus one with smart keyboard pro. Battery life is better on my nexus (I think fixed in ota). The g2 did feel snappier overall even with a stock rom, and browsing was in a different league!
Don't get me wrong the g2 is better in every way but not much better. Not enough to warrant $499+tax. If I was upgrading from g1 with full $200 upgrade yes.
I also kept posting my n1 on Craigslist with the dock and kept blowing off buyers. Somehow I could not part with my nexus. I guess I love this phone TOO much. Anyone else have a similar story?
Sent from my sexy nexy with XDA app.
I cheated on my Nexus One with an Hd2 when I thought I could use Android on it... Boy was that a huge mistake!
I def learned my lesson, no more non-developer phones... EVER!!!
Nexus One is the perfect phone for me. It does everything I need perfectly:
- Google Maps Navigation
- Free tethering
- Instant Google Voice text msg notifications
- Free unlimited calls through gizmo/google voice
- Emulators + Bluetooth wiimote support
- DolphinHD browser
- Color trackball notifications
- Voice dictation
- Great Tmobile / HTC customer service
- Updates directly from Google
- Beautiful thin design that doesn't make me look like I have an erection in my front pocket due to a unnecessary hardware keyboard
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So I've had my n1 (two actually, claimed insurance on first one cuz I accidentally smashed it) since its release. Got the g2 on oct4 (west coast early store sell) and today I've decided to return the g2.
I love the keyboard but I'm faster on my nexus one with smart keyboard pro. Battery life is better on my nexus (I think fixed in ota). The g2 did feel snappier overall even with a stock rom, and browsing was in a different league!
Don't get me wrong the g2 is better in every way but not much better. Not enough to warrant $499+tax. If I was upgrading from g1 with full $200 upgrade yes.
I also kept posting my n1 on Craigslist with the dock and kept blowing off buyers. Somehow I could not part with my nexus. I guess I love this phone TOO much. Anyone else have a similar story?
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I did the exact same thing, paid the full 500 and everything. Had my nexus one from march till now, it's been REAL good to me. Got the G2 Oct 6 and returned it today. Definitely nothing wrong with it but like you said, i feel it's not much better, but it's really a nice phone(build quality and everything), on par with the N1. The lady said they wanted to bring the nexus one in-store since so many people ask for it, but its a no go..definitely luv my Nexus One.
Us n1s are rare now... I got phone jealousy from the vibrant but not anymore. I thought the iphone 4 would give me a little tug seeing as I use to be 3gs user.. But I walked in the store picked it up, laughed, and walked away... Compare a picture on the two lol
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I thought about going to a galaxys, for the gpu jump. But I wasn't convinced (still not), that it was worth the effort.
For me, there's no real upgrade options until dual-core.
Why you'd sell a phone that its software are in the mature stage for something new?
I bought a vibrant just to play around and the phone sucks, i mean hardware is great but when you look at the dev's forum for the phone you hardly find anything. Only fixes and half baked roms, however the fault is not the community but samsung for being slow and asshats about releasing updates for their phones.
From now on i'd get a phone may be 5 or 6 months after its initial release because i can see how the software has matured for the phone as well as a considerable drop in price.
To me android is a worthless operating system fresh from the carriers because is just full of bloat and limitations, without the community android would be just another big FAIL imo.
So going back to the G2 i think is still too early, while n1 owners enjoy the software stability and new releases, the G2 owners still wait for propper root or samsung galaxy s owners are waiting for 2.2 which is sad.
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Why you'd sell a phone that its software are in the mature stage for something new?
I bought a vibrant just to play around and the phone sucks, i mean hardware is great but when you look at the dev's forum for the phone you hardly find anything. Only fixes and half baked roms, however the fault is not the community but samsung for being slow and asshats about releasing updates for their phones.
From now on i'd get a phone may be 5 or 6 months after its initial release because i can see how the software has matured for the phone as well as a considerable drop in price.
To me android is a worthless operating system fresh from the carriers because is just full of bloat and limitations, without the community android would be just another big FAIL imo.
So going back to the G2 i think is still too early, while n1 owners enjoy the software stability and new releases, the G2 owners still wait for propper root or samsung galaxy s owners are waiting for 2.2 which is sad.
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I agree with how people should wait a few months AFTER the phone is released to think about purchasing. Heck, that's true for ALL electronics. Let the other guys discover all the potential problems and then I'll decide if it's worth it. In the case of my N1... 100% worth it.
You lot disappoint me. I would never cheat on my nexus.
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I have thought about switching the G2 countless times, but in the end, I just couldnt justify the 500+ for the G2 or leaving my N1.
The G2 is really an updated N1, but the added bulk of the physical keyboard really turned me off. I am going to wait til there is something like the N1 with a 4 inch+ screen.
No point in a G2 unless you want the keyboard.
I tested it out in store and was massively disappointed. I'm faster with Swype.
Not only that but with people reporting hinge problems... Blech. Even if you don't have hinge problems, the added mechanism as opposed to a slate device means more room for hardware issues/failure 6+ months into owning the phone. A slate phone means as long as you don't drop it, no hardware will break.
Also I tested an embedded Flash video in the browser and it stuttered just like my N1. I guess I'll have to wait until the 3rd gen Adreno GPUs (220) to make an upgrade on that front.
Returned mine in 2days
Can someone post experience on hd2 running android? I'm thinking of doing this because I want the 4.3 screen. I have friend that use hd2 with android but couldn't compare to n1 since he doesn't have it.
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Can someone post experience on hd2 running android? I'm thinking of doing this because I want the 4.3 screen. I have friend that use hd2 with android but couldn't compare to n1 since he doesn't have it.
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http://androidforums.com/nexus-one/...uld-i-have-ever-cheated-my-nexus-one-hd2.html
My opinion... DONT do it. After using a Nexus One for so long I can honestly tell you the Hd2 runs android like crap.
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Us n1s are rare now... I got phone jealousy from the vibrant but not anymore. I thought the iphone 4 would give me a little tug seeing as I use to be 3gs user.. But I walked in the store picked it up, laughed, and walked away... Compare a picture on the two lol
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I too was shockingly unimpressed by the iPhone 4....good phone, sure...but sea of icons? nah...I need my widgets and uber customization....another reason I can't see myself going WinPho 7 despite the fact that I REALLY like the look of it.
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I too was shockingly unimpressed by the iPhone 4....good phone, sure...but sea of icons? nah...I need my widgets and uber customization....another reason I can't see myself going WinPho 7 despite the fact that I REALLY like the look of it.
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You can not go from an Android to Iphone especially if you've never used an Iphone. You can go from iphone to android though. The reason why is you take things forgranted with Android that Iphone doesn't do, simple things such as ring tones and alerts sounds.
To original topic the N1 rules, g2 drools
I have my Nexus One sitting proudly on my desk sitting in it's dock playing music channeled into my boss stereo. It sounds freaken fantastic. I also went out and bought the G2 thinking I was missing out on something new and fresh. The only thing I see that is a major plus is the memory. I rarely use the keyboard, use Vlingo for just about all entries into both devices. I'm going to probably keep the G2 but will never give my Nexus One away.. I honestly have not seen a better looking, quality built phone. The extras that you can buy for it and the endless tinkering that you can do. Yep, I love that damn phone, sorry honey go to bed, the Nexus and I are up doing some tinkering.
You guys just made my day with your comments about the N1 ! I ordered one a few days ago - it is unfortunately B/O and I should get it in a few days.
I was also considering the Samsung Galaxy X and I am glad I chose the N1. Froyo was released for the Galaxy yesterday - after a long wait to get the latest version of Android, the users quickly found that the major GPS and lag problems are still present. Beautiful specs on paper... on paper only !
Wow
I just ordered one that will be here on Monday and I'm gettin really excited reading the posts here have had a backflip (was a bad joke lol) now i have the htc aria, its a decent phone, but will have the N1 Monday. Thanks for all the insight and help from the site.
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I def learned my lesson, no more non-developer phones... EVER!!!
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Well said, this is my philosophy also.
chaoss1968 said:
I just ordered one that will be here on Monday and I'm gettin really excited reading the posts here have had a backflip (was a bad joke lol) now i have the htc aria, its a decent phone, but will have the N1 Monday. Thanks for all the insight and help from the site.
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Congrats! N1 is pretty sick stock, its almost impossible to replace customized. Google phones ftw
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So.. yea I think ill be returning the Atrix tomorrow. The phone is amazing: great screen, great battery life, amazingly fast, but I just don't think it is really necessary to have right now.
I wasn't planning on using the webtop application so that whole idea was out; the phone is fast but when compares to my Nexus 1 and Captivate, only loads pages 1-3 seconds faster than the two.
I'm planning on just hollding onto my upgrade until something else comes out or they lower the price of fhe laptop dock or make it better.
Anyone else with the same feelings?
Props on signing off without a list of dumb reasons on why you are returning it. You feel like you don't need it right now and there's nothing wrong with that. Good luck with your new phone.
me want but me no really need....
man i was itching to buy this phone. ive been holding back my compulsion to buy this phone but its geting harder and harder.
just got to keep teling myself that its not a need but a want. got to stop trolling this atrix forum before i nd up buying it
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got to stop trolling this atrix forum before i nd up buying it
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I'm gonna end up doing the same... I want an Atrix bad, but I am curious when a true 4G (LTE) android phone comes out. May have to wait to jump until then.
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So.. yea I think ill be returning the Atrix tomorrow. The phone is amazing: great screen, great battery life, amazingly fast, but I just don't think it is really necessary to have right now.
I wasn't planning on using the webtop application so that whole idea was out; the phone is fast but when compares to my Nexus 1 and Captivate, only loads pages 1-3 seconds faster than the two.
I'm planning on just hollding onto my upgrade until something else comes out or they lower the price of fhe laptop dock or make it better.
Anyone else with the same feelings?
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I just got back from returning mine. I felt the same way I'll hold out on my upgrade until something else comes out. My unlocked vibrant is getting 4x faster upload speed than the atrix. Now thats unacceptable even if att is the reason why it's capped.
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I just got back from returning mine. I felt the same way I'll hold out on my upgrade until something else comes out. My unlocked vibrant is getting 4x faster upload speed than the atrix. Now thats unacceptable even if att is the reason why it's capped.
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Sailing in the same boat, leaning towards selling/returning
I'm probably returning mine within the next few days. It's a great phone but I'm just not feeling it. A lot of the apps that I use often are just more mature and have more features on iOS. It doesn't help that the bootloader is locked and I won't get to enjoy the Cyanogen ROM's I liked so much when I was using the Nexus One. Probably the final straw is also that I am not in a market that has the enhanced backhaul completed yet so my speeds are just as fast on my iPhone 4, which also natively supports HSUPA.
I'll be looking for another Android device as it gets closer to summer.
I added a line and purchased the Atrix at 199 for it..If I decided to return it, and use my captivate on that line, would that upgrade just stay on that line until i use it?
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I added a line and purchased the Atrix at 199 for it..If I decided to return it, and use my captivate on that line, would that upgrade just stay on that line until i use it?
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Yes. If you return within 30 days you get the upgrade back on that line.
it's great I'd you want to try ever phone and you can just keep switching over and over within a month.
You might have to pay a little for restocking or something (and the phone but that can be made up with return)
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So.. yea I think ill be returning the Atrix tomorrow. The phone is amazing: great screen, great battery life, amazingly fast, but I just don't think it is really necessary to have right now.
I wasn't planning on using the webtop application so that whole idea was out; the phone is fast but when compares to my Nexus 1 and Captivate, only loads pages 1-3 seconds faster than the two.
I'm planning on just hollding onto my upgrade until something else comes out or they lower the price of fhe laptop dock or make it better.
Anyone else with the same feelings?
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I was thinking about returning not because I did not need it but because of the random reboots. But I got that fixed today by calling AT&T and have them fix my account. I have the captivate but this phone is beast, I no longer have to worry about widgets taken too much memory, application running that needs to be close, and phone not performing because of too many things running.
Now I will take a lock phone that can run all my apps with no issues then a phone I can customized but still having issues with performance and memory. So at this moment this is definitely a keeper until something better (which I think won't happen until the christmas holiday). Let's be real the next bing thing on the horizon is the SGS II, it is likely not coming to AT&T so we are going to end up paying big bucks for AT&T 3G compatible version imported to the US.
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Let's be real the next bing thing on the horizon is the SGS II, it is likely not coming to AT&T so we are going to end up paying big bucks for AT&T 3G compatible version imported to the US.
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A bit off-topic. Care to back up your guess? All the Galaxy S2 specs I've read so far is covered by AT&T: 850/900/1900/2100
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A bit off-topic. Care to back up your guess? All the Galaxy S2 specs I've read so far is covered by AT&T: 850/900/1900/2100
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Read again or call your resailers, there will be two version one with 850/1900 that will come after the Euro one. I don't think AT&T will be carrying it. I thought the same thing at first but I believe the specs from Samsung are misleading. Let's wait and see but I will not hold my breath.
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A bit off-topic. Care to back up your guess? All the Galaxy S2 specs I've read so far is covered by AT&T: 850/900/1900/2100
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Yea; why would they not release it here? It sold tons here in the US and although it might not go to every carrier, I'm confident it will go to ATT
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Yea; why would they not release it here? It sold tons here in the US and although it might not go to every carrier, I'm confident it will go to ATT
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I hope I am wrong because I would want it on AT&T too, but remember AT&T is getting the iPhone 5 sometime during the summer or fall. I won't bet my money on them getting another powerful phone that could potentially knock the iPhone 5. I think the Atrix was the answer to the iPhone 4 going to Verizon. It took AT&T a long time to get the Captivate in rotation.
The HD2 never made to AT&T although there was one with AT&T 3G
See I've had the Captivate and loved it and Android and was forced to get rid of it due to it's battery life. It would last like 6-7 hours not even joking. But this Atrix is a beast. I took it off the charger about 8:30 am and I have 30% remaining now and im a heavy user of everything. Streaming music using audio galaxy through my jawbone while connected to wi fi for hours at work. Battery life got me loving android again.
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I hope I am wrong because I would want it on AT&T too, but remember AT&T is getting the iPhone 5 sometime during the summer or fall. I won't bet my money on them getting another powerful phone that could potentially knock the iPhone 5. I think the Atrix was the answer to the iPhone 4 going to Verizon. It took AT&T a long time to get the Captivate in rotation.
The HD2 never made to AT&T although there was one with AT&T 3G
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AT&T drug their feet on the Captivate a little when they had exclusivity with Apple. Now that Verizon and possibly other carriers will have the iPhone 5, don't expect any such coddling of Apple by AT&T. The CEO of AT&T has been using a Captivate as his personal phone since 4Q10 and made sure the media knew he was toting it. He won't be helping Apple out at the expense of other devices any longer.
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AT&T drug their feet on the Captivate a little when they had exclusivity with Apple. Now that Verizon and possibly other carriers will have the iPhone 5, don't expect any such coddling of Apple by AT&T. The CEO of AT&T has been using a Captivate as his personal phone since 4Q10 and made sure the media knew he was toting it. He won't be helping Apple out at the expense of other devices any longer.
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I'd really like to believe that, but...it seems pretty obvious (to me anyway) that the Inspire and Atrix were gimped as to not knock iPhone as at&t's flagship. There's just no other explanation. iPhone is still at&t's top-seller.
I had been itching to buy the Atrix for over 5 months (when it was known as the Tegra 2 Olympus) but now, with the locked bootloader and the complete uselessness of the front camera and the fact it won't get Ice Cream till December'11, I'm thinking dual-core won't officially matter till Google releases a Nexus with it.
Who wants to develop for dual-core anyway when 95% of the phones on the market are single-core? If only stupid moto left the bootloader unsigned, I could have relied on XDA to deliver Ice Cream when it arrives in May/June.
Sad.
A lot people on these threads are dogging the Atrix because of missing features, things not working etc. Damn, can we just enjoy the device. The phone just came out a week or two ago, give it a chance. I had one of the Google I/O Evo's when they came out last year and it was issues with that too. They released the Evo to general public and those too had some issues that consisted of SD card problems, capped fps, battery issues, screen tearing and a lot more. But over time and with updates, the issues that was at hand with the Evo, got fixed and now the Evo is one of the top of the line phones.
I can understand if you just don't like the Atrix but to have the phone a day or two and say oh I'm returning it because it has lag or some other stupid reason..is ridiculous. Most of the time you have lag, it's because of a rogue app or setting. And when talking about apps, one must also remember that this is one of the first if not the first Tegra 2 handset on the market. With that said a lot of apps may not be compatible with the the Atrix...just yet. I know I ran into this issue when I bought the Nexus S. There was a lot of apps in the Market that wasn't compatible with 2.3, one specifically the camera app Vignette. I actually emailed the dev behind the app and they emailed me a different version of the app that worked fine.
I haven't haven't had a iP4 since last year when I sold mine. But for the people coming from the iP4 to Android,specifically the Atrix and is whining about the bootloader being locked, isn't the iPhone locked down as well?
All I'm saying is I'm sure that there will be some updates coming out for the Atrix that will fix some of these issues that everybody is complaining about.
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A lot people on these threads are dogging the Atrix because of missing features, things not working etc. Damn, can we just enjoy the device. The phone just came out a week or two ago, give it a chance. I had one of the Google I/O Evo's when they came out last year and it was issues with that too. They released the Evo to general public and those too had some issues that consisted of SD card problems, capped fps, battery issues, screen tearing and a lot more. But over time and with updates, the issues that was at hand with the Evo, got fixed and now the Evo is one of the top of the line phones.
I can understand if you just don't like the Atrix but to have the phone a day or two and say oh I'm returning it because it has lag or some other stupid reason..is ridiculous. Most of the time you have lag, it's because of a rogue app or setting. And when talking about apps, one must also remember that this is one of the first if not the first Tegra 2 handset on the market. With that said a lot of apps may not be compatible with the the Atrix...just yet. I know I ran into this issue when I bought the Nexus S. There was a lot of apps in the Market that wasn't compatible with 2.3, one specifically the camera app Vignette. I actually emailed the dev behind the app and they emailed me a different version of the app that worked fine.
I haven't haven't had a iP4 since last year when I sold mine. But for the people coming from the iP4 to Android,specifically the Atrix and is whining about the bootloader being locked, isn't the iPhone locked down as well?
All I'm saying is I'm sure that there will be some updates coming out for the Atrix that will fix some of these issues that everybody is complaining about.
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I've been using the Iphones since 2008 and I think some of the issues that people that are coming from an Iphone are having is that it just works out of the box. I was use to a device just working and with the atrix there is a lot of setup time. The contacts are cumbersome and it pulls them from everywhere without giving you the options clearly to select where you want the contacts to come from. The android market is not as mature as the app store. If I get an app from the app store, I know it will work just fine with my phone, that's not always the case with android.
Despite all the hate people have for apple, their closed app store prevents a lot of things from happening. Their device works just right out of the box and a lot of end-user's prefer that and even some of us techies.
I work with PC's all day long and to be honest the last thing I want to do is work on anything computer related when I get home. When I got the atrix, it felt like I was working. It took some time to sort out all of the issues and I still have some that linger on, yet whenever I got an iphone it just worked. I plugged it in and it synced everything and it just worked. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the iphone is the best phone out there. I personally think iOS has grown stale and prefer the android notifications over apples, and let's not get into multitasking... I know android is better at that. The problem is that you have too much fragmentation and that doesn't sit well with most people.
Now you mentioned updates and that's another issue that android has... google doesn't update all the phones, it has to go through the manufacturer and carrier. That, in my opinion is a huge mistake, it causes too many delays and a lot of phones are never even updated. So, while some of the issues can be fixed with an update the question is, will they? The iphone crowd knows for them that it will because most bugs are dealt with through minor updates and then you get the major updates.
The android platform has a lot to offer, I just think google gave away too much control to the makers of these handsets. I think a lot of issues would be alleviated if google just took control back and just released the updates themselves.
I'm keeping the phone and so is my wife, she really loves the customization of it and the widgets. However, I understand where a lot of people are coming from, it's hard to justify spending money on a phone that just doesn't work out of the box.
As for the bootloader, yes apple has everything locked down. A jailbreak is all you need on the iphone. You don't need custom kernels because it's all optimized for apples hardware. You can find a ton of mods as well just by opening up cydia on your phone. The hacking community for the iphone is pretty active, which brings me to another point... I've been looking through the dev forums and most of what I see is dev bickering. I doubt we will see any solid development for the atrix when you have devs to busy trying to prove you can't do something and the others trying to argue with them about it. That's just a waste of time, drop the bullcrap and collaborate, you really never know what you may find.
I was very excited about the atrix, but the more I read those forums the more I knew this phone was doomed.
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Sprint should offer an exchange program to go from Epic --> Nexus S 4g.
Because Samsung has failed to resolve long standing problems (dropped keys, tws, gps to name a few) let alone provide promised updates, they should allow Epic owners to exchange their phone for a Nexus, no charge. Because the nexus will be supported by google, it will have issues resolved in a timely manner and provide all promised functions.
It's a long shot, but if sprint actually cared about their customers they would do this and bury these epic's out in the desert next to the Nintendo E.T. game cartridges...
Update: E.T. was on atari...
Yeah it dosnt hurt to dream ha
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Lol @ the Nintendo E.T. game cartridges. That game was horrible.
I'm 12 and I agree with this
Epic 4G.. the ishtar of phones?
I believe E.T. was for the Atari 2600. Worst. Game. Ever.
An exchange program would of course be nice, but they would have to do it on all phones. For example any time a second version of a phone comes out, they would have to offer an exchange for people who bought the 1st version right before the new one came out. (That always ticks people off , lol)
If only, if only. It'll never happen, of course.
I very well may be the only one, but after EB13 dropped, I've become quite happy with my Epic. Bought a Yoobao battery to deal with the whole "eating battery" thing, and flashed Syndicate. If nothing else, we can look forward to (hopefully) easier porting of purely Google-baked Gingerbread to the Epic?
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An exchange program would of course be nice, but they would have to do it on all phones. For example any time a second version of a phone comes out, they would have to offer an exchange for people who bought the 1st version right before the new one came out. (That always ticks people off , lol)
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It's not about getting acnewer phone. Its about getting a phone that isn't defective.
Basically, you have to choose between having a boring phone and a defective phone. Th nexus s hardware is going obsolete soon, but it is still easily the best android phone available. Similarly, the palm pre I had before, IMO, made every other smartphone os obsolete, but it too was defective. The epic hardware, at the time, but every other phone to shame, it just sucks that it doesn't work half the time. I really thought they would fix gps within a week or two and it would be ok, but here we are wiz months later and it is still broken.
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If only, if only. It'll never happen, of course.
I very well may be the only one, but after EB13 dropped, I've become quite happy with my Epic. Bought a Yoobao battery to deal with the whole "eating battery" thing, and flashed Syndicate. If nothing else, we can look forward to (hopefully) easier porting of purely Google-baked Gingerbread to the Epic?
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If they fix the TWS and keyboard skipping thing (which only happens very occasionally for me) the Epic would be an exceptional phone. Since it looks like the developers here at XDA have fixes for both I'm not too worried. None of these are disabling bugs, it would be crazy to expect a free upgrade. I've been on stock EB13 with Genocide kernel and I'm pretty happy with my phone.
Besides, I'm not sure I'd be willing to give up my hardware keyboard and removable SD card. The Nexus doesn't really seem much better than the Epic.
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If nothing else, we can look forward to (hopefully) easier porting of purely Google-baked Gingerbread to the Epic?
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This is what I'm thinking/hoping. Given how close the two are this should be fairly easy to port to the Epic right? Other than hardware keyboard, removable instead of fixed storage, and lack of NFC, the two are near identical afaik. Would love to see the Nexus S 4G rom ported to our Epic 4G since it would be able to do what CM7 can't: use 4G radio (which is why I refuse to run CM7, lack of 4G on a 4G phone is a deal breaker imho).
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If only, if only. It'll never happen, of course.
I very well may be the only one, but after EB13 dropped, I've become quite happy with my Epic.
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No, you're not alone. The only problem I've seen that everyone's complained about was the camera FC when changing to sports mode, and that was because I actually went to try and duplicate it. Everything else has been flawless for me. GPS has been fine since I initially got it working on DK28. No Bluetooth problems to speak of. :shrug:
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This is what I'm thinking/hoping. Given how close the two are this should be fairly easy to port to the Epic right? Other than hardware keyboard, removable instead of fixed storage, and lack of NFC, the two are near identical afaik. Would love to see the Nexus S 4G rom ported to our Epic 4G since it would be able to do what CM7 can't: use 4G radio (which is why I refuse to run CM7, lack of 4G on a 4G phone is a deal breaker imho).
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They can't do it yet. Personally, I have no doubt they will get it working. 4G is no big deal to me since it's spotty at best in my area.
drizek said:
It's not about getting acnewer phone. Its about getting a phone that isn't defective.
Basically, you have to choose between having a boring phone and a defective phone. Th nexus s hardware is going obsolete soon, but it is still easily the best android phone available. Similarly, the palm pre I had before, IMO, made every other smartphone os obsolete, but it too was defective. The epic hardware, at the time, but every other phone to shame, it just sucks that it doesn't work half the time. I really thought they would fix gps within a week or two and it would be ok, but here we are wiz months later and it is still broken.
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I understand that some people have had issues with their phones, but many have not, including me. My gps has always worked and I have always loved my phone. So, my phone is not defective. The phone I had before this was a blackberry Tour. I am not talking bad about blackberry (b/c I loved my curve) but that phone was HORRID. I couldn't get service anywhere, always dropped calls, and no one could ever get ahold of me. I called sprint an insane amount of times over that phone, they kept trying to fix the problem by sending airraves, updating prl , whatever.. anyway ended up going past my limit to trade it in and I just had to suck it up and get a new phone as soon as I could. I didn't get an exchange when a newer blackberry came out. My point is, if they did exchanges for this phone , they would have to do it for them all. This isn't the only phone that has had issues. They will all have issues. If your phone really is that defective, you should have taken it back, just like I should have taken the tour back.
They do have a buyback thing, but when they offered me $130 for my epic when I got the shift, I told them I would keep it for that money.
Ebay is giving you $190 for the epic
iSaint said:
Ebay is giving you $190 for the epic
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Haha, thank you sir that's awesome.
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iSaint said:
Ebay is giving you $190 for the epic
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Hmmm.
i have an epic that could go for 190...and I have a 2 year upgrade for 150..
o****.
I can't seem to understand why people hate their epics. Granted, I also want a nexus 4g... but I don't need it one bit. My keyboard doesn't skip, gps locks fast... basically every complaint I've ever read. Now that's not to say I've never had them. I seriously think the flaw to all the problems is in software. Keep trying new roms man. Im on midnight 4.1. My battery lasts a constant 20 hours, that's with brightness at a constant max with cpu at 1ghz with the undervolt, gps locks within 5 secs, no camera lag (actually it feels like its never taken pics and videos this well...)
Im sure this isn't everyone elsewhere experience but I think no matter what you issues Theres a fix. Im an idiot but my epic works the way its supposed to. The only thing I want now is gingerbread just so we can have hardware acceleration. I think theres a much bigger list of phones out there that deserve to be buried out in the desert, but this isn't one of them.
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E.T. google map home...
/looks at broken compass
side note : do I smell a HTC touch pro to HTC touch pro 2 free upgrade fiasco like before? maybe..
Didn't Sprint do the same thing back with the Mogul -> Touch Pro? Mogul was a failure so they upgraded people to a TP for no fee.
I don't know if i should move on from my N1.
I had mine since the released date. I loved having this phone. I love how much dev it received. I love the form factor, size and performance. I don't know what more i need from my smartphone. However, its been almost two years now and want a new phone. Maybe I am having rom-flash withdrawal since there is no more CM nightly. My phone has been running like a champ. I have no dent, scratch and no hardware malfunction, other then multi-touch screen problem all N1 users have. I don't know if i need a bigger screen phone. I don't know if i want it any bigger.
Are your N1 still holding up? Are you still happy with it? I like to upgrade but it feels like a waste right now. What do you guys think? Maybe I should wait until ICS is available for N1. At least an official CM9 nightly.
My N1 is holding up like a champ. After having not updated the theme/icons/wallpaper, etc, for awhile, I started to get the "I need a new phone" thoughts...but since changing all of that and making things look more like ICS, I kind of feel like I have a new phone.
I dunno. I love my N1, despite all of its quirks. IMO there are few phones with the size and form factor on par or better than the N1's. The N1 is supported so well, it kind of seems like a waste to upgrade to better phone. I mean, most of the things the newer phones can do, the N1 can be hacked to do and perform it almost if not just as well.
I say wait. That's what I'm going to try to do. I have a AT&T N1 and am switching over to T-Mobile tomorrow. Unless I can get some 1900 mhz love from T-Mobile with the addition of the new band, I will be stuck on Edge which will be pretty brutal. I have a T-Mobile Moto Milestone but I don't want to pull that thing out because I love my N1 just so much...
Also, I cannot live without the trackball. I just can't. It is too awesome.
I also have an AT&T N1 and was thinking of switching to TMo, have you heard which markets they were using the 1900mhz in?
I was also thinking of getting the Galaxy Nexus, hopefully on someone beside Verizon.
I have also had N1 from release. I was getting bored, but I just recently installed one of the ICS builds. Very nice!
im feeling almost the same way, but I've only had this phone for about 6 months now... I bought it used on ebay.
Don't get me wrong, I love it.
Yeah it shame to let it go. I don't wanna. With devs here in xda, I feel like my N1 could live forever.
With all these new tech, Im just jealous and want to get it. But 600 dollar is alot to fork over. I have a special reserve just for tech but every time I think of pulling the trigger my N1 screams why. It still runs smooth, flawless and just the right size, it feels. Maybe new case will change my mind. Lol. I just can't wait for CM9 or ICS.
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I think i'll keep mine until the next Nexus phone...
Other than the internal storage and touchscreen issues, it's still really a great phone.
The upgrades are not very compelling... The only reason to upgrade sooner was if it developed some fault and i can't be bothered to fix it.
JoshX said:
I also have an AT&T N1 and was thinking of switching to TMo, have you heard which markets they were using the 1900mhz in?
I was also thinking of getting the Galaxy Nexus, hopefully on someone beside Verizon.
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I have not. My AT&T plan resets tomorrow, I believe, so today is kind of D-Day for my AT&T plan. I plan to port my number to Google Voice today and then renew my T-Mobile plan (I tried it out in November for one month).
There is a forum on HoFo where people have been reporting getting the new band. The here is the link for the forum: http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1748317-Post-here-if-you-have-noticed-1900MHz-3G-on-an-iPhone-or-other-device
I was looking at the Galaxy Nexus too, especially because it was on sale on DailySteals the other day for $565 I believe. But...meh. Technology will only get better and better, and with the support here on XDA for the N1, I believe there is really nothing that the N1 won't be able to accomplish.
sl8125 said:
I don't know if i should move on from my N1.
ur N1 still holding up? Are you still happy with it? I like to upgrade but it feels like a waste right now. What do you guys think? Maybe I should wait until ICS is available for N1. At least an official CM9 nightly.
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I'm holding out for the 32GB GSM Galaxy Nexus. I'm hoping T-Mobile will eventually offer it under contract so I can use my upgrade subsidy--I re-upped a 2-year family plan back in May so my wife could upgrade from a G1 to a G2X. The biggest downsides to the GN for me are the lack of a microSD card slot and a trackball. The first is nearly inexcusable. The second is unfortunately the new standard.
Though there aren't official CM nighties, there are some nice KANG builds out there that are pretty much the same thing--just gathering up the changes since the #253 official build. I'm using temasek's build, available here. The newest builds have been very stable.
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I think i'll keep mine until the next Nexus phone...
Other than the internal storage and touchscreen issues, it's still really a great phone.
The upgrades are not very compelling... The only reason to upgrade sooner was if it developed some fault and i can't be bothered to fix it.
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My thoughts too.
lol, I feel like I walked into an N1 support group...
I was pretty confident I was going to upgrade to the GN, because I can get full subsidies from my carrier, but I need to pay it all upfront (I'll be buying it independently). When I thought about it some more, the GN isn't enough of a jump.
I mean, I've been with the N1 since it's launch, and it's served me so well. Yes, we all have that stupid synaptics touch screen, the terrible lack of internal storage and a camera I simply don't like using because of the quality. I personally would've liked the look of the N1 better without the trackball, but I can't say it hasn't been super useful. I think without the trackball though (and perhaps some less bland colors) it could've easily been the prettiest phone I've ever seen.
Everyone around here have either iPhones or Galaxies (1, 2). I gotta say, Samsung is only getting better in their design (even with the plastics). And their screens are a big win.
But for me, I'm waiting it out with my N1. I'm even considering keeping it on Gingerbread from now on, so that my upgrade will be a real experience. I think it's incredible to think that keeping my N1 on GB will really define the N1 as "legacy". Two years and it's still holding its own against the biggest and baddest phones out there.
When quad cores start pouring, I'll be taking another look. But atm I'm happy to be at the end of the cycle where my phone is becoming legacy and soon I will move on to the next cycle - Quad core, 720p, hardware-button-less, ICS and all those goodies...
HI MY NAME IS STEVE AND I AM ADDICTED TO MY NEXUS ONE. LOL.
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i heart my N1 too much
I've also had my N1 since release and I honestly having a heard time finding a phone i'd rather be using. especially now that am running ICS on it.
i love the support this phone gets and probably will keep using it even after i get a new phone.
but i highly doubt i could ever really replace it.
hi
I used my nexus one for a year and a half. I bought a nexus S for cheap a few weeks ago (I wouldn't have bought this POS for full retail price, got it for U$270 off contract), but I'm really having a hard time letting go of my "old" N1.
I really, really miss the trackball notifications and the feel of the phone. I tried to explain it to my friends, but they didn't get it. They like the way samsung phones feel ("very light! awesome!"), but I don't. I like how HTC phones feel, sturdy and heavy.
Things I REALLY miss:
- trackball
- trackball colour notifications
- how the N1 feels
- battery life
- contactless desktop dock
- non-buggy ROMs!
Things I like on the NS:
- application storage space is 1GB! awesome!
- screen is better, multitouch is not buggy
- I thought i would miss the SD card, but I don't
Things I REALLY DISLIKE on the NS:
- buggy back button, presses itself or gets stuck.
- battery life sucks
- phone is stupid.
Things I couldn't care less for in the NS:
- NFC
- contour display
- front facing camera
long story short, I'm going back to my N1 and selling this piece of crap NS, maybe i can get some more money out of it.
I was thinking about picking up a Nexus S. Since ICS was released I was tempted. I also found some under 300. Glad I didn't.
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I bought a brand new Nexus One last month. After hours of browsing on the internet looking at as many phones as possible, the N1 just stood out for some reason. And since owning it I haven't regretted my decision one bit.
In fact, my 82 year old Grandad has just bought one (over the iPhone too)!!
One thing that has actually amazed me about the N1, is that it can get a GPS lock in under 10 seconds when I'm indoors. Less than 5 when I'm outside. The first time I did it indoors my mind almost exploded. My old HTC Legend took ~30 seconds, and just couldn't really do it indoors. Not that being able to get GPS when I'm in my own house is of any use whatsoever, but I just thought it was epic
Never give up the N1 until something absolutely epic comes out, which, at the moment (at least IMO), there is not one phone worth forking out so much money for.
Long live the Nexus One!
I like it too. Hehe!
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I'm not gonna switch to a phone without a trackball.
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Things I REALLY DISLIKE on the NS:
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- phone is stupid.
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I like that one...
Anyone worrying about losing color notifications from the trackball - just letting you know the GNex has color notifications, the led is just hidden under the bezel (brilliant!).
WiW said:
I like that one...
Anyone worrying about losing color notifications from the trackball - just letting you know the GNex has color notifications, the led is just hidden under the bezel (brilliant!).
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Google actually listened. Prob one thing I like about GN. And also ICS, screen and ..... who am I kidding? I like the damn thing. But obviously not enough to take me away from my N1.
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