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This has happened to me numerous times and i'm wondering if its a common issue:
You receive a call and you cant slide the slide the slider to accept the call for the life of you. A sew seconds later you get a dialog saying that the Dialer app is not responding; Force close /Wait.
This usually happens when you're trying to load a web page or playing a game. (anything processor intensive)
Is there a fix for this? Maybe set the priority of the dialer process higher if you have root ?
britoso said:
This has happened to me numerous times and i'm wondering if its a common issue:
You receive a call and you cant slide the slide the slider to accept the call for the life of you. A sew seconds later you get a dialog saying that the Dialer app is not responding; Force close /Wait.
This usually happens when you're trying to load a web page or playing a game. (anything processor intensive)
Is there a fix for this? Maybe set the priority of the dialer process higher if you have root ?
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this happened a lot with G1... but never with Nexus One. I even watched movies or listened to music etc., and still the call will come through immediately.
I wonder how many apps you have installed, and how much memory you have left?
Cleaning up all unnecessary apps you never use + checking all automated services (such as feed readers, news/weather updaters, Email probers, etc. should be set to decent times (e.g. my news feed reader never loads news automatically, only on app start, weather updates every 4 hours, etc.)
I have a LOT of apps installed (around 180). Only about 20MB internal disk space left.
In fact I frequently need to uninstall apps to install new ones
I don t have a lot of apps running. Usually about 40-50MB RAM free.
britoso said:
I have a LOT of apps installed (around 180). Only about 20MB internal disk space left.
In fact I frequently need to uninstall apps to install new ones
I don t have a lot of apps running. Usually about 40-50MB RAM free.
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WOW WOW WO
180 apps? How can you possibly make use of them all? I have 120 right now, and already feel it's too much (like... do we really ever use Google Goggles, or Finance?, or Wikitude, or... or...)
I have about 90MB internal disk space left, and I don't want to go much lower than that
But I guess what's killing you is that a lot of these apps, although maybe not running permanently, will wake up from time to time, to check your location, to update this or that, to do this or that....
I would try to reduce the number a lot and see whether the problem goes away, maybe say at 50MB internal space.
I always tell myself, even if it's cool to show off an app to a friend, if I don't really use it a lot or at all, I can delete it and always install it again if I want to - that's the beauty of the market (also paid apps remain paid, and can be redownloaded for free, unless you have refunded them).
hope it helps
another thing that could give you another 40MB, + using the second memory bank which is currently not in use on stock is to root the phone and flash cyanogen's CM 5.0 beta5 (or wait until it's out of beta).
That's maybe why I have 90 MB left at 120 apps, and you have only 20 MB left at 180 apps.
This would also provide more RAM, and you could run smoother with the number of apps open.
but just do the rooting if you really want to, as it voids warranty
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another thing that could give you another 40MB, + using the second memory bank which is currently not in use on stock is to root the phone and flash cyanogen's CM 5.0 beta5 (or wait until it's out of beta).
That's maybe why I have 90 MB left at 120 apps, and you have only 20 MB left at 180 apps.
This would also provide more RAM, and you could run smoother with the number of apps open.
but just do the rooting if you really want to, as it voids warranty
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Thanks for the advice. cyanogen's ROMs are very tempting, but looking at the changes it looks like it gets better every week. I think I'll wait for a bit before rooting and jump in at 5.0 FINAL.
I downloaded Advanced Task Killer Free, and things like Sprint Navigation, Facebook, Voice Dialer, etc, the list gets 20 programs long after about 15 minutes... this makes no sense.
Can someone who has used Android longer please explain this to me? It seems that this OS needs much more babysitting than even WM, if it's really auto-starting all this crap for no reason.
It seems like all of the applications you described are system apps that were on the phone when you got them. They may be set to automatically run. I know you wont be able to remove any of them without the phone being rooted and having su access - but i may be wrong.
When you close them, it seems like the OS is just automatically reloading them.
Careful when you kill apps, it could cause some unwanted issues.
So many of these programs have nothing to do with day-to-day operation... this is bizarre.
Does Android supposedly have built-in memory-management? IE, you exit the camera app, it eventually FORCE closes it? So far, I haven't noticed that behavior at all. That's what caused so many issues on my old WM HTC devices.
Android does have built-in memory management. It is how the OS was developed.
If you have a program running on your screen, it will use whatever amount of memory it needs in order to run it.
If the program gets pushed into the background, but is still running, it will still use the memory, even though another program is being ran using up even more memory.
Having free memory will not make the phone run any faster. Eventually the program in the background will close if not used. It will also be force closed if the system is in dire need of memory.
Android knows when it is need of memory.
There are several threads already which explain memory use if you search. Since I'm using my phone I won't go into detail but I will say that task killers are not recommended. It's much better to let Android manage the memory and processes.
My personal experience bears this out as I had a lot of strange issues like losing wireless connectivity when I was using a task killer. Now I let Android handle things and my phone runs smooth. Using a Sprint Hero with Fresh 2.1.2 ROM.
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Interesting... all my friends who use Android have task managers... Most engadget posts mention that too. Hrm... I guess I'll make sure auto-kill is disabled and just watch and see how the OS holds up.
I just got the phone this morning and was killing apps left and right. I started to get a lot of Force Close errors.
I rebooted the phone which would clear the memory anyways and I'm letting the OS handle everything now - Havent had any problems since.
good luck!
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Interesting... all my friends who use Android have task managers... Most engadget posts mention that too. Hrm... I guess I'll make sure auto-kill is disabled and just watch and see how the OS holds up.
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Honestly, if you are worried about a particular program running away and have reason to believe it, sure a task manager/task killer can be handy for that one program but historically, giving people task managers on Android causes more problems than it helps. Voice Dialer is your phone app for example and at the CDMA Hero forums, we've seen the phone do some crazy things when we removed it from the phone right after we got root (turns out that thing is hooked to more than just the "making phone calls" feature).
All that said, it's quite informative to google around about android's method of memory management. It's kinda cool!
I had a hero, and it least made it through the day. The Evo is way worse. I have no idea why some things run in the background that I've never used and have no reason to be running in the background. I'm using ATK and Auto Task Manager, which kills app once your phone goes to sleep. You just have to know what apps you shouldn't be killing. As a rule of thumb, I didn't kill any native google or HTC services. I did kill all Sprint services. Following this guide as well:http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/06...attery-life-and-what-this-says-about-android/
here is why you don't really need a task killer.
with that, i can say that i do have one but, i don't have any autokill going. i only use it as a last resort to kill things if i have like multiple things producing sound at once.
Honestly I can tell you from experience, that sprint bloat wear will launch on its own all day long. Even if you set ATK or AMM to nuke it, it eventually will cost more batt. in the long run because of the system resources required to launch and kill over and over again. The only way to successfully deal with the issue is to rm the crap, which requires root.
As there are some Users running Task Killers to gain Battery life, everybody asks which service is doing what.
Unfortunately, there is no description (or have I been too dumb to search in this case? ), yet.
We started a collection of services running on my device.
Content was collected by:
noblackthunder
stamppot
me
Lets go on to determine together which is needed for what and so on...
Alarm Clock
Name says all. You wont get alarmed if that service is killed.
Low CPU usage. Takes around 8.4mb RAM.
Calender
Low CPU usage.
- 8.8 MB ram.
Checkin Service
Restarts immediately after getting killed.
com.android.providers.applications
com.android.providers.userdictonary
com.sonyericsson.android.bootinfo
com.sonyericsson.learningclient
Restarts immediately after getting killed.
Consumes around 8.2 RAM and uses no CPU.
Dialer
Phone restarts if killed
Dialler Storage
Phone restarts if killed
Digital Clock
Syncs the system clock with the clock widgets.
Consumes around 10MB ram, low CPU usage
Download Manager
DRM Protected Content Storage
Email
Face Recognition Service
Enables Face Recognition in pictures and syncs the results.
Consumes low amount of CPU
Uses around 9mb of RAM.
Gmail Storage
Google Apps
Google Partner Setup
Google Settings Provider
IM
Market
Mediascape Plug-in manager
Handles plugins in MediaScape, such as PlayNow (or Spotify, as demonstrated in Norway).
Low CPU usage. Takes around 9mb of RAM.
Package Installer
Pico TTS
This is the Pico Text-to-Speech (Voice Synthesis) Language Installer built from the pre-1.6 open-source from android.git.kernel.org. This is intended for devices like ADP1, running the open-source Android 1.6 (Donut) release, that do not have access to the Android Market. Normally, when you click on Settings->Speech Synthesis->Install Voice Data, Android will attempt to connect to the Market and install this data. Without Market access, you can "adb install" this .apk instead. Requires an SD Card to be present, which is where the data is stored: /sdcard/svox/
SemcIME
This is the SonyEricsson on-screen keyboard.
Restarts immediately after getting killed as long no other Keyboard is in use.
Settings Storage
Restarts immediately after getting killed.
Service Account Provider
Settings
SNS Provider (Social network service provider)
Consumes around 9.3mb of RAM low CPU use.
Sync Feeds
Restarts immediately after getting killed.
Timescape
Uses much CPU when Timescape is used but else it consumes almost no CPU when its unused. Consumes around 12 MB ram.
Timescape Plug-In manager
Timescape Provider
Consumes low CPU... Uses around 9.4 MB ram.
Wiper App
Uses 8.3 MB RAM, low CPU usage.
Please post any missing tasks and descriptions if you got.
I'll start posting/editing descriptions as soon as I'm at home this eve.
An alphabetical order will also be edited soon.
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her is the list of applications i dont kill, with my best discription on what they are as mutch as i can unsderstand
COM.SONYERICSSON.LEARNINGCLIENT
an se service ... somthing about learning how you use your phone ...( is not kilt by me) consums around 8.2 ram and use no cpu
DIGITAL CLOCK (digital klokke on my phone that is norwegian)
syncs the system clocl with the clock widgeds. consums around 10MB ram .. low cpu usage
FACE RECOGNITION SERVICE .. the name tels what its doing ... consums low amount of cpu ... use around 9 mb of ram
SNS PROVIDER ( socian network service provider) is used for facebook and twiter i think .. (may be somthing else) consums around 9.3 MB of ram low cpu use
TIMESCAPE ( the time scape program itself) use mutch cpu when time scape is used but else it consums almost no cpu when its unused. consums around 12 MB ram
TimeSCAPE PROVIDER ( i think that program may be used for talking with the sns provider for syncing facebook twitter and pic) consums low cpu ... use around 9.4 MB ram
WIPER APP ( i think that clears some ram) use 8.3 MB ram, low cpu use
ALARM ( if you kill it your alarm wont work !!!!! clear ??? = low cpu use... use around 8.4 MB ram
CALENDER ( if you kill your calender wont work proper) low cpu use ... use around 8.8 MB ram
MEDIASCAPE PLUG-IN MANAGER ( manages media scape some how ) low cpu use ..use around 9 mb of ram
TIME SCAPE Plug-IN MANAGER ( same as media scape plug-in manager but for time scape)
this are the programs i can se run on my phone and should not be killt if you want every extra from se to work. and i think they schould defently be excludet from task killers ..
i cant se anny other programs that would run on a clean x10 phone.i use system panel taskmanager. other task killer may show more than this one
im pretty shure the most off you knew this already but ... there is always someone who dont know what even these small task do so this is why i wrote this reply if sombody was wondering
sorry for the bad english :S im a german who lives in norway
EDIT :
just try to awnser what i think the other prosseses are =P
# Settings Storage
Restarts immediately after getting killed.
handels SD card
# SemcIME
Restarts immediately after getting killed.
think have to do somthing with sim card?
# Dialler Storage
Phone restarts if killed
( handels sms and mms .. not shure )
# Dialer
Phone restarts if killed
(i think this may handel phone conection like calls??? )
# Package Installer
handels applikation install and uninstal?
# Market
market app
and so on .. the other aps say what they are
# com.android.providers.userdictonary
handels dictonary ?
# com.sonyericsson.android.bootinfo
???
# Download Manager
handels downloads
# DRM Protected Content Storage
for DRM protectet media = mp3 and so on
# Google Partner Setup
dont know?
# Service Account Provider
handels login to google acount???
# Pico TTS
found this on the interwebs :
This is the Pico Text-to-Speech (Voice Synthesis) Language Installer built from the pre-1.6 open-source from android.git.kernel.org. This is intended for devices like ADP1, running the open-source Android 1.6 (Donut) release, that do not have access to the Android Market. Normally, when you click on Settings->Speech Synthesis->Install Voice Data, Android will attempt to connect to the Market and install this data. Without Market access, you can "adb install" this .apk instead. Requires an SD Card to be present, which is where the data is stored: /sdcard/svox/
the most things are on that list ist only what i think i could mean ... it dose not mean that it is that what i say
Some more info on your list
noblackthunder said:
MEDIASCAPE PLUG-IN MANAGER ( manages media scape some how ) low cpu use ..use around 9 mb of ram
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Handles plugins in MediaScape, such as PlayNow (or Spotify, as demonstrated in Norway)
noblackthunder said:
# SemcIME
Restarts immediately after getting killed.
think have to do somthing with sim card?
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This is the SonyEricsson on-screen keyboard.
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# Dialler Storage
Phone restarts if killed
( handels sms and mms .. not shure )
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Not completely sure, but fairly certain that this handles storage of call logs.
Hope this helps!
Hi Guys, thanks for you input.
I edited my post.
noblackthunder said:
sorry for the bad english :S im a german who lives in norway
# Pico TTS
found this on the interwebs :
This is the Pico Text-to-Speech (Voice Synthesis) Language Installer built from the pre-1.6 open-source from android.git.kernel.org. This is intended for devices like ADP1, running the open-source Android 1.6 (Donut) release, that do not have access to the Android Market. Normally, when you click on Settings->Speech Synthesis->Install Voice Data, Android will attempt to connect to the Market and install this data. Without Market access, you can "adb install" this .apk instead. Requires an SD Card to be present, which is where the data is stored: /sdcard/svox/
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Easy. Any help is better than no help at all.
I'm a German in Switzerland. I guess the language border is as big as it is in Norway *justkidding*. Hope no Swiss reads this *duckandcover*
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Not completely sure, but fairly certain that this handles storage of call logs.
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Do you guys have more proven descriptions?
I don't like to put "guesses" into that collection.
Next step is to marker "Secure to Kill", "To your choice and if needed or not" and "Do never Kill that" Tasks.
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Hi Guys, thanks for you input.
I edited my post.
Easy. Any help is better than no help at all.
I'm a German in Switzerland. I guess the language border is as big as it is in Norway *justkidding*. Hope no Swiss reads this *duckandcover*
Do you guys have more proven descriptions?
I don't like to put "guesses" into that collection.
Next step is to marker "Secure to Kill", "To your choice and if needed or not" and "Do never Kill that" Tasks.
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It depends on whether or not I get access to froyo sources today...
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It depends on whether or not I get access to froyo sources today...
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Uhm.. sorry.. I didn't get that one
McKebapp said:
Uhm.. sorry.. I didn't get that one
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I don't have the sources of Android installed on my laptop here. When I typed this, Google was uploading the new sources for Froyo. I meant to indicate that I can be sure of the function of Dialler Storage when I download the sources of Android and search for it in there.
I just haven't done so so far....
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I don't have the sources of Android installed on my laptop here. When I typed this, Google was uploading the new sources for Froyo. I meant to indicate that I can be sure of the function of Dialler Storage when I download the sources of Android and search for it in there.
I just haven't done so so far....
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Ahhh... ok...
Could you please be that kind, to look up the missing things?
You seem to found a way, to get the descriptions.
It's fairly easy to just check out the tree from the SDK and start grepping. Decompilation FTW.
Hello XDA, this is my first post. I've had the EVO since launch and I just installed the early rooted Froyo build when it was released but that's irrelevant because this problem was there from the start. I use Advanced Task Killer and see that random apps are opening without my prompting, things like Google Voice, Gmail, Voicemail...very annoying.
On another note I have much more available memory running this unofficial Froyo, even with these apps opening at their will, than I did originally. Thanks for that, XDA.
Since you're rooted, you have two options that I know of.
Download Titanium backup and when you click on the backup/restore tab, you can click on the apps that frequently pop-up in ATK (e.g., voice dialer) and chose to freeze them. This will render the app inoperable. If you have any functional problems you can simply defrost it.
If you find that you're frozen apps are not causing any problems and you don't use them, you can then uninstall them with root explorer (or another file explore with root access).
I have Titanium Backup and didn't know I could do this, thank you very much. is there any way I could stop the apps from opening without rendering them useless?
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Get Autostarts. Configure it.
If I download Autostarts, will it stop my apps from opening by themselves even if I use them occasionally?
I know StartupAuditor does, but its a paid app...
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I know StartupAuditor does, but its a paid app...
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I suppose I'll go for that then
Some of the apps need to be running in order to work as they should. Unless and app is chewing up a lot of CPU you won't notice a drain on the system. A lot of these apps have services that are running constantly so they can poll the system for updates in state, say like receiving a text, call or email. Likely many of the apps are set to auto-refresh so they have to start every so often to complete a task.
ITS FINEEE!!!!
Ok, I am pretty good with computers and electronics but not so much on Android.
But I have done research from people who do know android, and will tell you what to do.
1. Don't use a task killer!!
2. Android is based off of Linux OS.
3. When you turn your phone on and launch Advanced task killer, all of your apps will most likely be "opened" however they are not running.
4. The way the OS works is by technically having all of those apps opened, but they are most likely not wasting CPU or battery, so don't worry about them, thats the way everyone's android device works.
5. Using a task killer is bad, because when you shut down the apps, eventually you will get a lot of force closes, because apps that were supposed to be open were closed and their for not running the way they should.
6. Apparently the OS runs better with more apps open, however its not like windows mobile where if you have 3 apps running at once, it will make the phone slower. Android is designed to have all apps "opened" Again it does not mean they are running.
However,
If you notice that a certain app is hogging CPU or causing poor battery life, delete it, but if you really need the app, then you can use the task killer to kill that app.
And no if used a task killer, your phone will not be ruined or anything.
Hope this helps.
agreed, don't use a task killer, they are essentially useless and just end up causing problems on the evo
What your seeing is most likely the app 'process' so it will actually work correctly.
OK so my built in memory is always too loo and I'm really getting sick of it. could someone please tell me, with step by step instructions, which files I can remove from my play without crashing the phone. I know that's asking slot but it would greatly appreciate it. thanks in advance.
step 0, open the "safe list" thread at the top of this forum
step 1, download Titanium Backup
step 2, within the app, tap on which App you want to delete
step 3, tap on delete app
step 4, what model phone are you asking about?
step 5, personally I want to know if I can delete QC SEMC Service and preinstalledservice 1.0 on my phone
So far I've deleted
Anonymous Usage Stats
Backup Assistant
CrashMonitor 1.0
Digital clock 1.0
Gmail 2.3.2
MobileCare 6.1.0
My Verizon Mobile
News & Weather
OfficeSuite
StreetView
Skype by Verizon
Talk
Visual VM
VZ Navigator
I've also gone through and deleted, then downloaded from the Market so I can move them to my SD card, with a few Apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1046699
I'm using an xperia play
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I'm using an xperia play
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Indeed, but is it an R800i? a? x?
I believe they all have different bloatware preloaded.
jdz7t8 said:
OK so my built in memory is always too loo and I'm really getting sick of it. could someone please tell me, with step by step instructions, which files I can remove from my play without crashing the phone. I know that's asking slot but it would greatly appreciate it. thanks in advance.
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This isnt windows, having more free ram WILL NOT increase performance
oh wow I have no clue, I have the xperia play from Rogers in Canada
I think your wrong on that one. if what your saying was so why would people recommend you use advanced task killer when your phone slows down, or why would they recommend that you restart?
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I think your wrong on that one. if what your saying was so why would people recommend you use advanced task killer when your phone slows down, or why would they recommend that you restart?
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Infact it's the oposite, people say you should use task killers as it interfears with androids native memory management, Android is a linux based os and thus "pools" memory, so although the memory may appear to be used, infact it's not, it is pooled waiting to be used by the os, this gives much quicker random access.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
"In Android, processes and Applications are two different things. An app can stay "running" in the background without any processes eating up your phone's resources. Android keeps the app in its memory so it launches more quickly and returns to its prior state. When your phone runs out of memory, Android will automatically start killing tasks on its own, starting with ones that you haven't used in awhile.
The problem is that Android uses RAM differently than, say, Windows. On Android, having your RAM nearly full is a good thing. It means that when you relaunch an app you've previously opened, the app launches quickly and returns to its previous state. So while Android actually uses RAM efficiently, most users see that their RAM is full and assume that's what's slowing down their phone. In reality, your CPU—which is only used by apps that are actually active—is almost always the bottleneck."
really, thanks for letting me know. but I do notice when I use advanced task killer games run smoother, though I find five minutes after I closed an app it automaticaly reopens.
there a lot more things showing up in titanium backup, anymore suggestions? Rogers xperia play Canada. my phone is starting up alot faster.
when I try to uninstall certain things it just hangs and says uninstalling but it never finishes. this happened with gmail and liveware manager.
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really, thanks for letting me know. but I do notice when I use advanced task killer games run smoother, though I find five minutes after I closed an app it automaticaly reopens.
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No trouble just know that android has a memory threshold, it will let processes run until it reaches that threshold, then it will start killing background processes, you can remove/stop all the processes you want, but another app will just take over as the os wont stop it, the only way in reality to have more free ram is have no apps anyway you should search for an application called "mini free manager" this lets you edit the values of the native memory manager, you can set it to be more agressive, android will allow less background processes to run and thus free up more ram
I was bored so i went and found it for you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630262
give it a try before you gut your phone trust me
are you sure it's mini free manager and not mini task manager, cause I can't find mini free manager anywhere.
how do you use task killer? like, to set it up? I heard it can put your phone into an automatic restart loop if you don't know what your doing.
U can go into ur text messaging settings and lower the amount of text messages thats phone keeps in thread to like 50 or less. That help me before I rooted to free up memory and stop phone from locking up
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jdz7t8 said:
when I try to uninstall certain things it just hangs and says uninstalling but it never finishes. this happened with gmail and liveware manager.
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Enable usb debugging under applications development settings before starting titanium backup app - this definitely solves hanging when freezing apps so suspect same for uninstalling
Problem
guys i have been deleting things as suggested here but now i notice when i slide out the gamepad the "moregames" option is no longer there, it only shows games currently installed on my phone. What have I done? How do I get it back?
Oh man, I thought it was because i never had the paid version, so i bought it -.-