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How to install software?

Hi....
New user here and just recently purchased the Qtek.
Been a long time Palm user and this is my first WM PDA.
Need help.
Tried searching....but search comes up with too many posts to go through all of them.
How do I install a cab file? Have a SD card and would like to leave the main system memory alone. Remember reading somebody saying something about it but no explanation concerning how to do it.
Why is there no sticky for something as general as this on this board?
Not that I'm saying that this is not a great forum - found a lot of other resources - but there should be a sticky for all the newbies - like me - that explains how to install software, what are essential software that are required, how to change settings, etc..
Anyway, hopes somebody can explain to me how to install cabs and leave it on the sd card.
Mel
PS. Mad Monkey Rules!

1. Put your sd card into the device
2. Copy the cab to your sd card
3. Use the file explorer on the device to surf to the cab file
4. Double-tap the cab file and follow the cabs installation instructions.
Should be good to go...

It's worth reading the publisher's notes/web-site to see if they advise against installing to SD storage card. Most apps will offer a choice of where to install to, but some publishers will ignore your choice - Thanks TomTom! However, you can often overcome that by manually moving files/folders to SD-card and hacking paths in the registry. If you export those keys, it's a doddle to recreate next time.
By all means test to see if an app will run successfully from SD-card, but there are some apps that don't like being left running from SD when the device powers down. Typically you'll find they've crashed/closed when you turn the device back on, but be aware that you may not realise something is wrong until later. Also remember that WM5 is still new and many programs may not be completely compatible.
Be prepared to spend a couple of weeks (or more) trying different applications, and continually hard-resetting your device, until you've built up your desired suite of apps. Most apps are available on a 10 to 30-day trial period, so take advantage of that. When you're ready, perform a fresh install of everything, preferably noting down the order of install. If your chosen backup program allows it, take stage backups so that you can always return to a specific point.
With the Universal & WM5 there's less of an advantage in putting everything in SD-card, since you can't move the split between program and device storage. However, I tend to put as much as I can in SD-card so that't there's less to lose and recover when I hard-reset the beast.

Thanks guys.
Worked great.

How to use the space in the Extended ROM?

Hi all,
I know that the Extended ROM for the HTC Universal can be "unlocked" so we can move files in and out and delete files in the Extended ROM, but can we actually convert the Extended ROM space in usable space?
Either by:
1) Resizing the Extended ROM and increasing the default ROM size.
OR
2) Installing programs directly into the Extended ROM itself and running it off from there without any problems.
Many thanks!

Hi there,
1.) nope, is not possible - size is fix for default ROM and extended ROM
2.) yup, works fine - instead of just installing to main memory or storage card you then have a third option usually called 'storage', so you have 10 MB more to install programs to.
Happy installing
Pat

Thought I read somewhere in this forum about the extended rom would slow the Jasjar down.
Is it true? I would love to get the 10Mb but hate to see it slow down again...

Based on what I know, it is TRUE that we can unlock the ExtROM, BUT we cannot use that free memory yet, as of now. That is why even if you delete the ExtROM you would not see an increase in your UNIVERSAL's memory. The only good thing with unlocking the Ext ROM in the UNIVERSAL is so we can customize the Ext ROM to our liking. It will not act the same as the built-in memory. You can't store and run applications from them. This is in the UNIVERSAL, please correct me if I am wrong. BUZZ and the others are still working on how to merge the freed-up memory on the Ext ROM so that we can use it.

i have apps installed into my extended rom and it works fine, i have some games and tcpmp in there, no issues whatso ever.

Carnivor said:
i have apps installed into my extended rom and it works fine, i have some games and tcpmp in there, no issues whatso ever.
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WOW, how did you do it? How did you install apps in there?

copy cabs to sd, run them, choose extendedrom as the location, job done,
using buzz ext rom unlock and the reg keys to make it visible in the file system,

I agree with Carnivor - everything I installed on Extended ROM works fine.
I only faced performance issues when installing applications on storage card.
If Stanip read somewhere, 'extended rom would slow down Jasjar' -> Maybe the meaning was, that your Jasjar might be slow IF you did not install the software which came in the extended rom.
In my case I installed the software from extended rom (which is done automatically when first time staring the device), then moved all extended memory content to my storage card and enjoyed the 10 MB extra space to install programs.

Carnivor said:
copy cabs to sd, run them, choose extendedrom as the location, job done,
using buzz ext rom unlock and the reg keys to make it visible in the file system,
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Thanks, I guess I can try it the next time I perform a hard reset. What are your apps installed in the extension ROM. You mentioned that not all of them run smoothly from there?

Another question please, if I do install apps in the Ext ROM after running BUZZ unlocker and the registry tweak, does this mean the installed application survives a hard reset because it is now installed in the Ext ROM?

that is a good question, i imagine all will stay resident, but be hidden only needing the reg changes to make it visible again,
i dont really know, just assuming

Carnivor said:
that is a good question, i imagine all will stay resident, but be hidden only needing the reg changes to make it visible again,
i dont really know, just assuming
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Thanks. I guess I'll try it now. This is the only thing I hate, another hard reset. Why didn't I read this thread sooner. AHhhhhhhhh!

I'm running in Extended_Rom all pluiggins that used "today". I'm running this for weeks and goes perfectly.
If you want see applications, goes to my blog (in my sign) to see it. (Sorry, only in spanish)
Regards.

Sagit said:
I'm running in Extended_Rom all pluiggins that used "today". I'm running this for weeks and goes perfectly.
If you want see applications, goes to my blog (in my sign) to see it. (Sorry, only in spanish)
Regards.
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I don't see clear advantages installing on the extended rom except if you try to install more programs that the limit of the memory for programs, is it ok?

Thanks for quick help guys. Just a few more quick questions.
- Where did I find the registry hack to make the Extended ROM visible? I take it that it will make it visible even on the normal File Explorer and Resco Explorer?
- Will existing backup programs backup/image the data on the Extended ROM?

beginner said:
Sagit said:
I'm running in Extended_Rom all pluiggins that used "today". I'm running this for weeks and goes perfectly.
If you want see applications, goes to my blog (in my sign) to see it. (Sorry, only in spanish)
Regards.
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I don't see clear advantages installing on the extended rom except if you try to install more programs that the limit of the memory for programs, is it ok?
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Also to leave more memory for exec programs and leave it running in background.
Regards

Can anyone confirm whether ext Rom is still available when battery becomes low?

Hey Ever1
just a quick question when you make the extended rom visible and install a software to run from the extended rom do you hidden the extended rom again or leave it visible.
If you leave it visible can you tell me how does the pda see the storage card has storage card or as storage card2.
Thank you
Gigino

i called my extended_rom ExtendedRom, else if you dont rename it you end up messy,
I leave it visible, it shows up in system stats that way
it shows up in resco as a chip based storage similar icon to the storage memory, but instead of the pda in the background behind the chip it has a folder behind the chip

I don't know how many times I wrote to this forum:
"DON'T INSTALL AND RUN APPLICATIONS FROM EXTENDED ROM"
because you can damage it. use storage card if you need more space.

XDA ll loses apps when battery goes flat

I have been given an 02 XDA ll at work to carry out some decent homes surveys .
The special software for the surveys has been installed but every time the battery is allowed to go flat the XDA re-installs windows and various apps on restart but loses the special survey software . This has to be re-installed which takes about a week to organise (Council)
Shouldn't all software the OS and apps be installed on non volatile memory ?
Can someone explain what the root structure is in these things and where software should be installed to please.
It has a external 1Gb memory . I can transfer the survey data and photos etc to that for safety . Couldn't we install and run the survey software from the memory card also?

xdaII's with wm2003 have all apps in normal mem and they will be lost if the batt goes belly up
with wm5 wm6 wm6.1 one get some flash storage and programs installed there and on the sdcard will make it passed a flat battery
but since the storage is limited in size
people use ramdisks which use normal mem as a disk
and that too can be cleared at flatbatt

thanks for your quick reply.
If all the apps are stored in non volatile memory where do they get restored from when the batt goes flat ? they must be stored somewhere in non volatile for restore purposes.?
Don't understand this at all.
If the XDA can store the OS and apps somewhere shouldn't my employers install the special app in the same place so that it doesn't get lost when the batt goes flat?
Can the firmware be updated on these ? if so what difference would it make
Thanks for any help

the os itself is located in flash and stay there unless it's flashed with another rom
on WM2003 many htc devices have a list of install cabs in what they call extented rom which are auto executed after a hardreset or 100% flat batt
one can open the extented rom and add install cab's oneself but the space in limited so it may require other of the auto install apps are removed
with wm5 and later it's the exntented rom which is used as normal data storage
so it's not really present there
yes the firmware/rom / os can be changed as i state when i describe the diff between 2003 and wm5 or 6 or 6.1
how one goes about that you can read in the wiki
or in the rom from the wm5 or wm6 sub forums you download they include a txt file
describing step by step what to do

thanks Rudegar
I have found a good explanation of the different types of memory in these pocket PC devices Here
If our IT remove redundant OS files and some of the unwanted apps in the flash memory there might be room to install the special survey software (Anite)into the flash memory instead of into Ram that way we wouldn't lose the damn app every time the batteries go flat ?
Alternatively would it be possible to install and run the Anite app onto the SD card ? that way it would be safe and easier to re-install from and PC
Are the OS upgrades WM5 and WM6 available free to download or do they require a license like Winxp etc?

the roms wm5 and wm6 is not sold by ms they only provide them to the pda makers
so you cant get hold of them that way but if you go to the subforums for himalaya wm5 and wm6 you can find plenty of versions for free

thank you for your helpful advice. Much appreciated

help me please
my XDA II is shuting down after I remove my charger from it... so the last option to use it is by not removing it from being charged... but when the battery meter reacher 100% it automatically reboot and my OS need ro reinstall...
my question are:
1: why does my XDA had that problem?
2: how can i trouble shoot it?
3: what is the best way to fix it? 100% sure...
please help me with this problem...
thanks...
please.. email your answers here..
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thanks a lot..

Sounds very much like the battery has expired and is not holding a charge. Do you have a spare battery you could test with?

Installing Cab question

Hi
I apologise for my lack of knowledge as I am very new to WM. Always been a Nokia man.
I have attempted to install a couple of cabs. When prompted on whether to save or open I have done both and directed it towards my storage card. When I do this the application doesn't appear to work. If I direct it to phone memory it works.
I want to keep the phone memory as free as possible. Am I doing something wrong, or should I not worry about my phones free memory?
Any help will be appreciatted

i just double click on my cabs using total commander then it
ask me if i want to install them and if i say yes it ask me where
as in main mem or sdcard and then i say where
and it install and show up in programs in the startmenu

I see. So what you are saying is that it shouldn't matter where I install the cab it should work and show up in programs.
I must be doing something wrong, is there a good user guide to installing cabs?

HTC Tytn (WM5 to WM6) for newbies (Help)

Hello everyone!
I have a HTC Tytn with WM5, and want to update it to WM6 (or later, with perfect and stable versions)
I´ve read loads of post, and got confused with so many applications and proceedments.
This is my first time with flashing/updating with these kind of devices, and need help to update my device.
I think for me and for future reference (for other users) that a step by step tutorial would be great.
P.S - I already searched the forum, and web for a step by step procedure wih no success.
Thanks in advance.

Hi, I also got a Tytn with WM5 and now I am using WM6 released by HTC and ATT officially. This official WM6 Professional room was available before Aug 2008 and after that period, ATT offical website no longer provide download service. I searched on google for a few hours and finally get an official released rom. And this rom can work by just connecting your fully battery charged Tytn via USB and execute the *exe file you downloaded. It's very easy.
My suggestion: Ask google where can you get this room downloaded. And further more. Attention suspective links. There do exists free download without requirement of some sensitive information(Credit card number, etc)
Sheitx said:
Hello everyone!
I have a HTC Tytn with WM5, and want to update it to WM6 (or later, with perfect and stable versions)
I´ve read loads of post, and got confused with so many applications and proceedments.
This is my first time with flashing/updating with these kind of devices, and need help to update my device.
I think for me and for future reference (for other users) that a step by step tutorial would be great.
P.S - I already searched the forum, and web for a step by step procedure wih no success.
Thanks in advance.
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If you've searcherd then you know to install Hard SPL V7 first... After that you can use the sd card method to install ANY Hermes rom... A quick search will give details, I know I've typed it out enough times...
Cheers....

Dear Ultramag69,
I do want to install Hard SPL V7 first, but I fail for almost every known method
to install it into my device. And I do unlock to super CID under the guide got
from this forum. I don't know why. So finally I decided to use a official release
version.
ultramag69 said:
If you've searcherd then you know to install Hard SPL V7 first... After that you can use the sd card method to install ANY Hermes rom... A quick search will give details, I know I've typed it out enough times...
Cheers....
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Go to the sticky about Hard SPL in the upgrading section, page 116, post 1160. It will tell you how to use the sd card to upgrade the SPL. Just remember that you need a 2Gb or less sd card formatted FAT32 or it won't work...

Thanks I'll try. But before that I am interested that whether the upgrade for Hermes from WM6 to WM6.5 would save me memory for running programms? The problem I am facing is that after I open WIFI and Palringo I will use 70% memory. When I open Google Map, then it eats 87% of memory. Can upgrade to un official WM6.5 help me solve this problem, or in reverse, latest system requires more memory?
ultramag69 said:
Go to the sticky about Hard SPL in the upgrading section, page 116, post 1160. It will tell you how to use the sd card to upgrade the SPL. Just remember that you need a 2Gb or less sd card formatted FAT32 or it won't work...
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Look for app called x-button, it closes apps instead of minimizing them...

ultramag69 said:
Look for app called x-button, it closes apps instead of minimizing them...
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I use HTC Task Manager and it also offers Close "X" button for all running Apps. But I want remove some ATT software encored in my windows mobile system, such as ATT Music, Mobile TV, Cellular Video...etc. Is there anyway I can move them without re flash my rom with 3rd party rom?

NO.........

Done [But, Can't Detect Memory Card]
Hello!
There's actually a link in XDA for the W.M 6.5 ROM.
Works perfect with TYTN, although i still have the memory card detection problem.
It says that it's not installed.
About the WM 6.5;
Since this equipment is a little bit slow; i added a few apps so the equipment can run faster (due to the new ROM consumes a little more memmory than the original WM. --> WM5.1).
[Performance Apps]
"Speedboost"
"Advanced Config"
I find those very usefull and you can actually "see" the diference; if you configure them well.

Memory Card NOT Working...
Hello.
By now i think i've read everything about this problem; and still can't access the memory card.
Although i found a method to figure where the problem is.
I opened the camera app; and reinserted the memory card; then a message appears asking if you desire to save the photos in the memory card.
So it means that the SD Slot; the memory card; are working.
Also seems that WM6.5 v2 (from "FCW") detects it somehow... But i can't open access the memory card in anyway.
I tryed these SDBus Updates: (but no success)
- AX3L 3.1.2c SDHC DLL's
- HTC SDHC Settings
- MiniSD HC Patch v2.2
- SDBUS
- SDHC
I'm going to install the v3 version now.
I'll report in a while.

WM 6.5 v3 (FCW)
No use; i can't find out...
Tryed everything and can't get it working.
The v3 works awsome; but didn't fix the problem.
It detects with the "Camera Method" but i can't use/explore the memory card. Also if i go into the "memory" app it says memory card not installed.
Any idead on what i'm doing wrong?

Yeah, me too !
I still cannot access my sd card in tytn at WM6.5 until now...
I wonder if HardSPL v.7 will works...

Greetings;
Awww... I was digging my old threads to make them more usefull, clean and clear.
Yes HARDSPL worked great!
By this time i'm proud to say that my HTC died.
Anyways; if anyone has troubles with SD Card; try to install the ROM; without the SD Card in the device. That shall do the trick. I remember that was my issue. Hope it helps.
Best Regards;