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I have an original ROM O2 (UK) XDA2. Last night, for the first time, I tried the poxy MMS thing. Someone sent me one which worked fine (eventually) and his number came through in the international format, i.e. +447123456789. I clicked reply and sent him a video back. It didn't arrive. (But I bet I still got charged for it :roll: )
When I clicked to reply to the incoming MMS, the number that was in the 'To:' box was 447123456789, in international format, but without the +, similar to what happens when selecting contacts for the SMS 'To:' field. So, I did some experimentation.
I discovered that MMS don't get sent if the phone number doesn't have the leading zero (for the UK market). International-number formats don't work, even if the number has the + at the beginning. So, if someone sends you an MMS and their number comes through in international format, you can't simply reply to it without editing the number to UK format.
Does anyone know whether any work has been done on this issue for the new official ROM update? Either to rework the number so it's correct to the international format, or to allow incorrect numbers to get through the system to the recipient even if it's in international format but without the +?
As far as I recall, numbers sent to sms recipients, keep the + bit in them (this is under the NEW ROM - for the older ROM you have to enter the plus yourself, depending on how you searched and entered the contact).
But for MMS, the + sign seems to be truncated when sending a message (again, this is under the new rom, but I recall this is the case from the older rom too???).
Nevertheless, the message still gets sent with it truncated though.
So if it was still in your Outbox, then the number format is NOT the problem, but a network one instead.
This is confirmable by the fact that if the + sign WAS the problem, the message would STILL have attempted to send, but you would have then got an error message instead.
This strongly leads me to believe that your problem, is a Network or GPRS one.
Certainly NOT a number format issue.
If the numbers are not of the right format, the symptom would manifest itself in the message trying to send, then an error message being shown.
Not what you have.
i did have this problem when replying or selecting a number from contacts to send a message too, it always don't include + sign even if its included in the contacts, the only 2 work arounds i found to solve this problem is either add 00 instead of + for me it was a night mare since all my numbers are stored in international format even local ones for raoming needs so the other option to avoid it is the type the name in the TO field & an auto continue will show you a list of contacts with the matching letters then choose it from their, only then it will send it correctly even it it has +, i think its an RSU issue or maybe Rom country selection issue because i noticed when it fails to send a message it reputs the contry code like the following +44207 wil be something like 44244207 & no matter where i searched to find where the hell it brings this original country code i couldn't find it
Rabia.
The + sign being omitted is a known bug on earlier ROM versions.
The latest ROM fixes this.
But this doesn't have any bearing on the OP's problem, in that for MMS, the software seems to drop the + in the address field anyway, but still manages to get through fine.
And if the problem WAS one of the number format, this would be shown in the form of an error message saying the message could not be delivered.
As the OP is not getting this, and the message seems to be just sitting in his Outbox, I suspect a completely different problem perhaps.
i have worked with operators because of my business nature & from my understanding also that someoperators will recognize the international codes without even 00 or + & some will not so here you go i got multiple problems to contibute in this :shock:
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As the OP is not getting this, and the message seems to be just sitting in his Outbox, I suspect a completely different problem perhaps.
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No no, perhaps I didn't explain properly. As far as the XDA2 is concerned, the message has gone, but it never arrives at the destination. So the network is losing the MMS because it's not properly addressed, but it's only incorrectly addressed because of the MMS software on the XDA2.
Hope that clarifies it.
It would have done mate, were it not for the fact that as far as SMS at least are concerned, if you send a text to a number that is not valid, or incorrectly formed or laid out, you get an error message to tell you, and you say you are not getting an error message.
So let me test this with MMS and get back to you. If it generates an error message, then it shows it is not a number issue.
Er I CAN'T test it as such mate...
Becuase just as I thought, and mentioned in my posts, when I go into the contacts list to choose a recipient for an MMS, they ALL have the + sign removed from them.
My own number shows (changed slightly of course) as:
447866123456;
In the "To Phone" field.
But if I send, it gets through fine. As it does with other numbers.
Which was exactly my point - that with the MMS Software (and this does NOT apply to the SMS application, which is very different), the numbers always have the + sign stripped out of them, but they still send.
So if your numbers appear as 447899123456 etc then if you are in the UK there is no reason why they should not get sent, as I already said based on number format, as this is exactly what happens anyway.
The only thing I can then offer, if you are in the UK, is that you check your regional settings etc on the xda.
Failing that, then maybe its time for that ROM upgrade?
Strange one.
I figured it was a network problem, but wondered whether the source of the problem (i.e. the fact that the MMS Composer application screws up the number for me) had been fixed in the ROM update.
MMS msgs which don't have the + in front of the international code don't get through for me, and I can't send them with the + in front because the MMS Composer app strips it off, even when I add it manually to the number to which I'm replying. So all numbers must be of the national format, i.e. 07123456789 and I can't send MMS abroad.
So, has this 'bug' been fixed in the new ROM update?
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I figured it was a network problem, but wondered whether the source of the problem (i.e. the fact that the MMS Composer application screws up the number for me) had been fixed in the ROM update.
MMS msgs which don't have the + in front of the international code don't get through for me, and I can't send them with the + in front because the MMS Composer app strips it off, even when I add it manually to the number to which I'm replying. So all numbers must be of the national format, i.e. 07123456789 and I can't send MMS abroad.
So, has this 'bug' been fixed in the new ROM update?
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NO mate - because as I indicated, it is NOT a bug.
Whilst the MMS Software strips the + sign on the display, it must still SEND to the number with the + in, becuase all of mine get through, whereas, an SMS without the plus, as seen by the bug in SMS software that IS fixed in the new ROM, does NOT get through.
Let me make it clear, as I have obviously not in my last three posts...
There MUST be something else giving you trouble.
Becuase for me, saying it for the third time, with the + sign not shown, it STILL works. And I am in the UK just like you.
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...as I indicated, it is NOT a bug.
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Please put your arrogance to one side for a moment, and stop SHOUTING certain words at me. There is a bug. The MMS software removes the + from the number for international-format numbers, even if I type it in manually to the number before sending. This is a bug. OK? :roll:
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Whilst the MMS Software strips the + sign on the display, it must still SEND to the number with the + in, becuase all of mine get through, whereas, an SMS without the plus, as seen by the bug in SMS software that IS fixed in the new ROM, does NOT get through.
Let me make it clear, as I have obviously not in my last three posts...
There MUST be something else giving you trouble.
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I don't care about this. My testing has revealed one simple fact, as I keep trying to explain: when the phone number is in UK-format, with a leading zero, my MMS get through. When it's in a broken international number format, they don't. I want the software to send them with a correct international-format number so that they work. Thus, my question is: has the bug in the MMS Composer software which strips the + from international numbers been fixed with the new ROM update? (If you read above, you'll notice that this was the question I first asked... :roll: )
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Becuase for me, saying it for the third time, with the + sign not shown, it STILL works. And I am in the UK just like you.
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Yes, but according to your profile, you're with Orange. I'm with O2, and they don't work. No error messages, no failure reports, nothing. Just silence. Can you please just believe me, or do you want to come to my house and I'll demonstrate to you?
I appreciate your attempts to help, but if I had wanted someone to treat me like an idiot I'd have asked for that. OK?
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Shadamehr said:
...as I indicated, it is NOT a bug.
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Please put your arrogance to one side for a moment, and stop SHOUTING certain words at me. There is a bug. The MMS software removes the + from the number for international-format numbers, even if I type it in manually to the number before sending. This is a bug. OK? :roll:
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I'm SHOUTING cos you keep missing it. And now for the FOURTH time - it is NOT a BUG per se - got that - I'll say it again - NOT a bug per se, because having looked on a friend's XDA2, it does this for ALL, and yet works on his too. I'm sorry for shouting. If you LISTEN however, I can refrain from shouting. Let me be absolutely utterly and abundantly clear - I have no doubt you have a clear issue. What I am SHOUTING, and yet you keep ignoring, is that I am trying to tell you that the MMS Composer stripping the + sign out, is NOT the answer to your problems alone. Can I make that any clearer?
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Whilst the MMS Software strips the + sign on the display, it must still SEND to the number with the + in, becuase all of mine get through, whereas, an SMS without the plus, as seen by the bug in SMS software that IS fixed in the new ROM, does NOT get through.
Let me make it clear, as I have obviously not in my last three posts...
There MUST be something else giving you trouble.
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I don't care about this. My testing has revealed one simple fact, as I keep trying to explain: when the phone number is in UK-format, with a leading zero, my MMS get through. When it's in a broken international number format, they don't. I want the software to send them with a correct international-format number so that they work. Thus, my question is: has the bug in the MMS Composer software which strips the + from international numbers been fixed with the new ROM update? (If you read above, you'll notice that this was the question I first asked... :roll: )
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I DID notice it first time. You just didn't seem to see my answer for the THIRD time. Let me go one bette for you, I cannot answer the question as you phrase it, because, as I have said, it is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT a bug, so how can I say if a bug has been fixed, if it is not a bug? Moreover, never mind the ROM update, I have downloaded and installed version 1.6.0.9 of the Arcsoft MMS software, and this is still there BY DESIGN - the ROM Update version is only to 1.6.0.8 - so TWO version updates do not alter this behaviour - which I would have expected if this was a bug.
(And as an aside, if you want me to send you a copy of the latest version, even newer that the ROM Update one, I happily will)
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Becuase for me, saying it for the third time, with the + sign not shown, it STILL works. And I am in the UK just like you.
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Yes, but according to your profile, you're with Orange. I'm with O2, and they don't work. No error messages, no failure reports, nothing. Just silence. Can you please just believe me, or do you want to come to my house and I'll demonstrate to you?
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I have an O2 SIM too, or in between your attempts to keep correcting me, did you not think I would try it? And as I also indicated, my mate has an O2 XDA2, and his works too. Not sure his ROM version though.
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I appreciate your attempts to help, but if I had wanted someone to treat me like an idiot I'd have asked for that. OK?
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When people keep constantly ignoring what people are pointing out to them, and better yet, even criticising them for SHOUTING becuase they are still being ignored, I COULD offer that tis is indeed exactly what you have asked for.
But in actual fact, i am very keen to try and help you, so I won't stoop down.
Once again, not knowing if you have already checked or not, can I suggest you check your regional settings.
Also, something else I noticed, is that using Outlook 2003, if I enter a number on the phone, the way I used to do it was like:
+44 191 460 1234 (for landline numbers with the gaps in just as you see them)
And +44 7899 123 456 for mobile numbers, again with the gaps just as you see them.
This nevertheless, still worked fine for SMS, and MMS.
Now that my trial of Outlook 2003 has ended, and I have re-installed Outlook XP, the earlier version, I now find, no matter what I do, that if I enter a number in the manner I prefer as above, onto the phone, when it syncs with Outlook, they appear as 44 (191) 460 1234 or 44 7899 123 456 in Outlook, and the same when sync'ed back to the phone, yet they still work.
Let me be absolutely clear however, the single only purpose for my post, which, in effect I am now saying for the fifth time, is that to the very best of my knowledge, and despite what you repeatedly think, and as backed up by testing with my O2 sim, and on a friend's phone, that as far as ArcSoft MMS composer is concerned, the appearance of numbers in the program's contacts list with the leading + stripped, whilst looking problematic, is actually NOT a bug, and for the rest of us, seems to work fine regardless.
I say nothing more than that.
Forget it. Can't even be bothered to read all that arrogance.
Do these forums have an ignore function?
Right then. Let me summarise, if only to give you an opportunity to shout at me again (even though I've been listening carefully all the way through this painful process). (I hope you're not a teacher.)
When I create an MMS using a number in the international format with a + at the beginning, the MMS Composer helpfully removes the + from the front of the number when I click to send it.
This 'special behaviour' of MMS Composer in stripping out the + symbol is not a bug. I'm not sure what one should call this, but you are absolutely clear that it's not a bug. It must be by design, huh? (Why would they design it this way, I wonder?)
Anyway, MMS messages sent by me in this way don't arrive at the destination. I get no error messages. As far as my machine is concerned, they have gone.
When you do the same thing, your messages get through.
You can't tell me why, or offer any useful suggestions for circumventing this problem. You can only keep repeating that I don't have a problem, this is a network feature, and that you're bored of telling me this.
Well thanks for your contributions.
Can anyone else help me with something useful?
(Shadamehr - keep quiet here. I don't need any more input from you right now.)
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Right then. Let me summarise, if only to give you an opportunity to shout at me again (even though I've been listening carefully all the way through this painful process). (I hope you're not a teacher.)
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You may have been listening - it's hellish clear you haven't been taking it in though.
sublimatica said:
When I create an MMS using a number in the international format with a + at the beginning, the MMS Composer helpfully removes the + from the front of the number when I click to send it.
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Yes
sublimatica said:
This 'special behaviour' of MMS Composer in stripping out the + symbol is not a bug. I'm not sure what one should call this, but you are absolutely clear that it's not a bug. It must be by design, huh? (Why would they design it this way, I wonder?)
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No idea, and I fully concur its daft - never once argued with you there.
sublimatica said:
Anyway, MMS messages sent by me in this way don't arrive at the destination. I get no error messages. As far as my machine is concerned, they have gone.
When you do the same thing, your messages get through.
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Yes - exactly so.
sublimatica said:
You can't tell me why, or offer any useful suggestions for circumventing this problem. You can only keep repeating that I don't have a problem, this is a network feature, and that you're bored of telling me this.
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Completely untrue you arrogant idiot - if nothing else I have indicated regional settings on the xda2 as one area to investigate, and written at length about the strange behaviour different from Outlook 2002/XP to Outlook 2003 - your arrogance and sheer falsitudes seem to know no bounds. It might not have been much, but it was a clear attempt to try to help. For Christ's sake, you'd think I was getting PAID for trying to help you, and not giving up of my time and effort for free to seek to help a fellow user.
Like I said, you arrogant swine - are you for real? And where the hell did I say you don't have a problem? You have an absolutely genuine one. All I ever said was that the MMS software stripping the + out is not the be all and end all cause of your problems. A fact which still holds true, and in its very own right is a VERY helpful piece of advice or information for you.
I am trying to tell you that what you see happen in terms of the MMS software stripping out the + sign is a situation that seems inherint for all UK users, and yet doesn't stop other people sending.
How the hell can you overlook that key fact, and tell me it's not an important piece of information for you or again overlook the fact that I am TRYING to help you?
On the contrary, I mentioned this way back in my first attempt to help you, but you completely overlooked it, and now have dug a fairly large hole for yourself, now that this fact is starting to sink in with you.
But instead of letting me take the shovel off you, and instead give you a (freely profered) helping hand out of the hole, you can do nothing but attack me, for trying to help you, and dig that hole much deeper for yourself.
I have done nothing but try and help, came out with a key piece of information, and came back time and time again to try and help more, and all you can do is treat me like cr*p. ? ? ? ! ! !
Well bonny lad, frankly, you are the biggest t*sser I have had the misfortune to come across, and if you think I'll hang around here for you to attack me more when I repeatedly give up my time to try and HELP you, you really do have another thing coming.
You can well and truly go to hell mate.
You sad sad soul
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Well thanks for your contributions.
Can anyone else help me with something useful?
(Shadamehr - keep quiet here. I don't need any more input from you right now.)
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Who the hell do you thnk you are to tell me that?
My advice to any would be helper to you now would be:
"Don't bother - you'll make time and effort to try and help him, and he'll treat you like a piece of cr*p for your reward"
Honestly - what colour is the sky on the planet where you live?
Get a life, and then look back at this event in embarresment. You should hang your head in shame.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Like I said, I didn't actually need any more input from you, Shademehr, but thanks for the laugh anyway.
Sensible suggestions from knowledgeable users on ways to solve my MMS problems (as opposed to just telling me the problem is unique and vaguely waving me in the direction of regional settings :roll: ) are still welcome - thanks in advance.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Like I said, I didn't actually need any more input from you, Shademehr, but thanks for the laugh anyway.
Sensible suggestions from knowledgeable users on ways to solve my MMS problems (as opposed to just telling me the problem is unique and vaguely waving me in the direction of regional settings :roll: ) are still welcome - thanks in advance.
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You utterly arrogant moronic b*stard.
I've spent god only knows how long trying to help you, and offering to send you updated versions of the software to try out and see if that helps, and all you can do is take the p*ss and find it funny and say what a LAUGH it has been for you?
And then ask if ANYONE ELSE wants to try and help you too?
You think they want the p*ss taken out of them once they have spent ages trying to help you too?
Your not of this planet sunshine.
Thanks for the message saying "thanks for all the time you spent trying to help me shadamehr".
As if.
You f*cking d*ckhead - what an ungrateful arrogant b*stard.
Good luck. You're gonna need it.
mms problems
i am frightened to say this now, but..... i appear to have the same problem, the msg appears to leave me ok, it just never arrives. i havent managed to send any mms for the past month - 6 weeks since i changed from Nokia 6600 to XDA II.
Please don't be frightened, David - I'm not that bad, honest! :lol:
I discovered while testing again the other day that SMS messages don't get through for me either unless the number is perfectly correct (i.e. with the + included if in international format), so what I'm experiencing isn't limited to MMS. I guess it must be a network limitation.
I'm sure that other people reported that SMS do get through without the + attached when this bug first came to light last year. At least with SMS I get a warning that the message couldn't be sent.
I rarely close threads, but this one is closed.
I'm very busy this weekend, and have no time to read this whole thread to see who did what to whom.
Past experience has shown that text-based forums are not a good place to express feelings of anger and frustration. Please all realise that no matter how well we're doing presently, a community such as this is always more brittle and fragile than you'd expect.
Love, Peace & Happyness,
Peter
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HIE GUYS AV JUST COME ACROSS THIS INTERESTING PIECE OF SOFTWARE WELL ITS NOT REALLY SOFTWARE BUT RATHER IT RUNS VIA THE MOBILE PHONE BROWSER I JUST WENT TO http://mjoy.com ON MY COMPUTER AND I PUT MY PHONE NUMBER AND GOT A LINK TO MY UK MOBILE NUMBER INSTANTLY AND AFTER PLAYING AROUND WITH IT MANAGED TO TEXT FOR FREE TO MOBILE NUMBERS HERE IN THE UK AS WELL AS TEXTING MY GIRL FRIEND IN AFRICA ON SAFARI SO IT APPEARES TO WORK AND CREDIT GOES TO fbifbi .so i just thought i would share this with you guys and as always try this at your own risk and i am not afiliated in any way whatsoever with the company but just thought i would share this i got this from the post below over at the development and hacking forum and if any of you guys know of such similar services please share because international texting is very expensive from the UK thanks
Hey Rhapsody,
Your software is great, been using it for a while now
Anyway, I wanted to interest you with a free (based on ads) sending SMS service. It's really good, works worldwide, and has a daily limit of 100msges if I remember well.
Maybe the support could be added to your app?
http://mjoy.com
Regards
efbiaye
so i just thought i would share this with you guys and as always try this at your own risk and i am not afiliated in any way whatsoever with the company above
is this for real or an advert?
it works awesome!thanks
This is pretty cool. Does any one know of any software that will do the same.
Yes, looks nice, but you really have to ask yourself what's the privacy and advertising policy of mjoy. I'm especially worried about possible SMS spam coming to me and my friends from mjoy or it's affiliates. I've been reading their Terms of usage and here's an interesting paragraph:
"mjoy may use information in your profile without identifying you as an individual to third parties. We do this for purposes such as aggregating how many people in a network like specific offerings, events, cultural offers, such as music, games, movies, etc. and personalizing advertisements and promotions so that we can provide you mjoy. We do our best to offer you a service that is suited to your needs. As advertising is an integral part of our funding and of our allowing you to use our Site and Services, we try to keep the advertising presented to you as close to your presumed interests as possible. If you state your consumer or other preferences explicitly within your profile, we have a much better chance to provide you the information that has a maximum of relevance for you. We do not hand out details about you individually to anyone, however.
We may use information about you that we collect from other sources, including but not limited to newspapers and Internet sources such as blogs, instant messaging services, mjoy Platform developers and other users of mjoy, to supplement your profile. We will allow you to specify that you don't want this to be done or to take other actions that limit the connection of this information to your profile."
Not again...
This entire thread should be removed ASAP, or quite a few people will be changing their numbers sometime soon...
WHAT????
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This entire thread should be removed asap, or quite a few people will be changing their numbers sometime soon...
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can you be specific what exactly do you mean ?
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Yes what do you mean?
Why?
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Yes what do you mean?
Why?
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Cuz your number just got spammed !
I've used it 2 or 3 times but haven't received one spam sms.
The only thing that sucks is the limitation of the Message because in each sms there is a link to the Message on the HP where you can read the full massage. Only the beginning of the message is in the sms.
Anybody had a phone bill after using this sort of service?
I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of scheme means that certain messages end up costing money, in the same way that premium pay-per-message services already exist in other ways.
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Anybody had a phone bill after using this sort of service?
I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of scheme means that certain messages end up costing money, in the same way that premium pay-per-message services already exist in other ways.
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It is not possible what you are saying because you don't have any software installed in the phone to send the message it is a WEB site...
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It is not possible what you are saying because you don't have any software installed in the phone to send the message it is a WEB site...
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Here in the UK, we have premium-rate SMS services. To sign up, you send an SMS to a specific number and after that they send you the information you've requested via SMS. Each SMS they send costs you money.
To enable such a service requires no special software. All you need to do is give the provider permission to send you these expensive SMS messages by giving them an SMS with your number in.
So, I can imagine the scenario with mjoy: you type your mobile number into the mjoy website to register for some sort of 'free' service but without realising you also accept that they will charge you for certain other services. These charges will appear in your mobile phone bill along with your other network costs, just like the premium SMS service I described above.
I don't know how likely this is, nor what service mjoy is offering. I haven't visited their site, so apologies if I've got the whole thing wrong.
But you get nothing for free in this world and companies like mjoy will exist to get revenue from subscribers, either by directly charging for the service or by selling space to advertisers.
Perhaps the only advertising is on their website as you visit to collect a message and it will cost you nothing directly. But it would be somewhat naive to assume this without checking, especially since a mechanism already exists for providers of premium-rate services to charge subscribers through the operator's normal billing systems.
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Here in the UK, we have premium-rate SMS services. To sign up, you send an SMS to a specific number and after that they send you the information you've requested via SMS. Each SMS they send costs you money.
To enable such a service requires no special software. All you need to do is give the provider permission to send you these expensive SMS messages by giving them an SMS with your number in.
So, I can imagine the scenario with mjoy: you type your mobile number into the mjoy website to register for some sort of 'free' service but without realising you also accept that they will charge you for certain other services. These charges will appear in your mobile phone bill along with your other network costs, just like the premium SMS service I described above.
I don't know how likely this is, nor what service mjoy is offering. I haven't visited their site, so apologies if I've got the whole thing wrong.
But you get nothing for free in this world and companies like mjoy will exist to get revenue from subscribers, either by directly charging for the service or by selling space to advertisers.
Perhaps the only advertising is on their website as you visit to collect a message and it will cost you nothing directly. But it would be somewhat naive to assume this without checking, especially since a mechanism already exists for providers of premium-rate services to charge subscribers through the operator's normal billing systems.
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Well you are not subscribing to any service when you register, there is advertising on their web site and you can do a simple search in Google to see that no one else had problem with this service...next time research more
http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-1443_2421931,00.html
pureheart said:
Well you are not subscribing to any service when you register, there is advertising on their web site and you can do a simple search in Google to see that no one else had problem with this service...next time research more
http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-1443_2421931,00.html
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I hope you're right. Good luck.
So, how is this free SMS if the other end has to log online to see the entire message???
I can as well send an email over GPRS to someone, and if they have internet they can just check their email. Wow, free text!
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Exactly this type of service just cost me Mrs £6, re received a text message asking her to reply to receive the message upon her reply she received 2 new text messages saying they had cost £3 each.
Not had a bill yet but expecting a nasty one.
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Exactly this type of service just cost me Mrs £6, re received a text message asking her to reply to receive the message upon her reply she received 2 new text messages saying they had cost £3 each.
Not had a bill yet but expecting a nasty one.
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Bah I tried twice to send messages to other number and I fully received the message no need to reply no need to log to the web site to see the full message....(not very long messages)....mah
beware
good day, i just want to share my experience after i register to myjoy the other day, i receive a misscall from these number+37866321929i was confuse what number is this so i try to ring the number then i remember way back in singapore that there is a scam that if you ring the unknown number your top up will be gone and after 1 ring i hangup but its too late for me,my balance 20.00 euro is long gone. ive chk in internet for my call history i have 7sec for 1.99euro and another one 7min for 18.00euro for the same number.
is it possible that mjoy is behind all of this.
Sorry my english is poor
In anycase, i still dont want to provide my number to the public(even not public). Cuz it kinda private stuff and now in most security method they need the mobile number to identify who you are, so if some people use that information in the harm way then i would be stuffed, wouldnt it?
hey everyone; i was wondering if there is an app where you don't have to have a plan with your carrier to text(sms).
can anyone help me out please. thanks
tinman4124 said:
hey everyone; i was wondering if there is an app where you don't have to have a plan with your carrier to text(sms).
can anyone help me out please. thanks
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Umm, that would be illegal. And impossible
The only way to do that is to have a data plan already (or WiFi) so you can access the internet. Then you could use something like Google Voice, and from your web browser, send a SMS message through Google's website.
So, the only option is through the internet, or by getting a real SMS plan from your service provider. Got it?
well Iphone have a program that does that, so its not really illegal if you ask me. but thanks for your answer.
tinman4124 said:
well Iphone have a program that does that, so its not really illegal if you ask me. but thanks for your answer.
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Ughh, I'mm 99% sure they wouldn't since:
1. AT&T would NEVER allow that. They don't even allow Google Voice, so they're definitely not gonna allow free SMS.
2. Apple wouldn't allow that, since (1) they listen to AT&T about everything, and (2), it's a "competing feature that already exists". They don't allow web browsers, and they wouldn't allow different SMS systems. If it does something that's already in the iPhone, then they usually don't allow it.
3. Isn't a SMS and Data plan REQUIRED on the iPhone? Soo, there would be no purpose at all for developing that app there.
Sooo, maybe it exists in the "jailbroken" world, but I really can't see it existing in the App Store. It just doesn't make sense there (#3) and it's probably against their monopolistic rules (#1).
lol.
well anyway my friend he paid $5 for that program and he can sent text when he goes wifi.
tinman4124 said:
well anyway my friend he paid $5 for that program and he can sent text when he goes wifi.
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Ahh, I bet that's how they got around it. Because they have Internet Calling programs too, but I think they all have to work over WiFi, since otherwise, AT&T would be throwing a big fit, lol.
But their app store is loosening up over time, since the FCC is sniffing down their tracks!
So, the only way to make it possible would be to use an online service that gives you free SMS, and then access that system from your phone. You could do that from a browser, or you could suggest the idea to the Development & Hacking forums, and a developer might actually build an app that would do that. Who knows. I think the best option would be interacting with Google Voice, since the platform already exists.
Check out OneDialer - http://www.onedialer.com/
It already does voice calling through Google Voice, and I think he is working on SMS through Google. I forget if he was gonna make it all work through data, but there's potential there!
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Ahh, I bet that's how they got around it. Because they have Internet Calling programs too, but I think they all have to work over WiFi, since otherwise, AT&T would be throwing a big fit, lol.
But their app store is loosening up over time, since the FCC is sniffing down their tracks!
So, the only way to make it possible would be to use an online service that gives you free SMS, and then access that system from your phone. You could do that from a browser, or you could suggest the idea to the Development & Hacking forums, and a developer might actually build an app that would do that. Who knows. I think the best option would be interacting with Google Voice, since the platform already exists.
Check out OneDialer - http://www.onedialer.com/
It already does voice calling through Google Voice, and I think he is working on SMS through Google. I forget if he was gonna make it all work through data, but there's potential there!
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I think the texting plan is better
Rim1Flex said:
I think the texting plan is better
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exactly............... lol
I'm wondering if there's any apps for HD2 that works like "mobile defense" for android that can track the cellphone via a computer and activate the stolen device's GPS to track it.
F-Secure Anti-Theft for Mobile
Here's a very recent freebie from F-Secure
(Anti-Theft for Mobile)
http://www.f-secure.com/en_EMEA/products/mobile/anti-theft-for-mobile/index_main.html
Remote Tracker - Antitheft Software
Here's another one;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394203
Can any of this be activated or monitored by remote PC??? Cuz i actually have a block message service for my cell phone account.
Im using Lookout for mobile
https://www.mylookout.com/
"remotetracker" (no space is intentional)
this is the only anti theft that i managed to install. the other are all too compilcated.
will notify on sim change. sms command are case sensitive. locate command will always tell location unavailable even when google map locked on gps.
Zentury said:
Here's a very recent freebie from F-Secure
(Anti-Theft for Mobile)
http://www.f-secure.com/en_EMEA/products/mobile/anti-theft-for-mobile/index_main.html
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this one is better. no need to use second phone. can also locate using cell id and show it on google maps, like latitude. good to find lost phone with the screaming features.
did you use the anti virus and firewall?
Som30ne said:
Im using Lookout for mobile
https://www.mylookout.com/
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F-Secure sms to finland?
I've had F-secure anti-theft in my phone for a while now. The txt location service works great, and last month I tried changing the sim, and guess what, got a sms on my backup phone with the new sim's phone number, which is exactly what it is supposed to do.
However, i checked my itemized bill today, and see the program sent an sms to Finland immediately after texting me. The number was 358400112368 . Googled this number and only got two vague references to f-secure on a nokia. Why in the world would they need to txt their mothership about my sim? Anyone else using f-secure anti-theft? Please check your bill and let us know if it sent a txt to finland.
As far as using other similar programs:
Mylookout : never worked for me, website says searching, and times out.
remotetracker : Stay away from this program!! its txt request uses no password, so anyone who knows you have the program installed can secretly monitor you via sms. An intentional oversight from the developer perhaps? And pretty malicious at that too! Edit: got it, see post below.
ms myphone : free version can only check the daily sync log. I cannot initiate a location search unless i pay, or am I doing it wrong?
so, anyone with f-secure got the txt to 358400112368? I guess this post will be the only 3rd google search result for this number?
atlaswing said:
remotetracker : Stay away from this program!! its txt request uses no password, so anyone who knows you have the program installed can secretly monitor you via sms. An intentional oversight from the developer perhaps? And pretty malicious at that too!
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wrong.
yes it does, if you dont set a password then yes, anyone can control it, , but set a password and it doesnt respond to control txts without it.
samsamuel said:
wrong.
yes it does, if you dont set a password then yes, anyone can control it, , but set a password and it doesnt respond to control txts without it.
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my bad. thanks Samsamuel for the correction. i re-read the first whole page of that remoteTracker thread and the word "password" was never mentioned in his post or instructions.
as far as my original question regarding F-secure, anybody else see the outgoing text to finland when they change SIMs?
no worries.
i for one can't rate remotetracker highly enough. i cook my own rom, so its cooked in complete with settings, so its completely hard reset safe. only way to stop it working is by flashing.
that random text you mention sounds a little iffy, you tried emailing them? see what they have to say?
another vote for remotetracker.
It found my phone when left in a taxi
the F-Secure thing looks nice, i think im gonna try it this evening
lets see if it really sends a sms to finnland xD
I came across this thread, and just downloaded (didn't install yet) the f-secure app.
A couple things I don't understand.
I believe I have read posts here about needing a "backup mobile number", for the company to send SMS to, if something suspicious is happening with the phone.
But what if one only has one mobile number, no backup? Is the app then useless? (Couldn't there be an e-mail, or a call to the landline?)
Also, I see that besides giving this app away, F-Secure sells "mobile secuirty". (I guess that means anti-virus and such. Is that really necessary? I have never used an AV on my phone before, and never had a problem with that AFAIK.)
With the post about the SMS to Finland (probably company headquarters), it occurs to me, they may give away this anti-theft app, in order to get your phone #, and send you text messages advertising their AV app? I wouldn't want to get spammed with text messages. Has that happened to anyone using this?
remotetracker can send email
i've changed sim few time. fsecure only send sms to the assigned number (i know, i've itemized billing, and i can send sms internationally).
anyway, since it can never reply with correct location, and i've already figured out how to use remotetracker, i'm ditching it too. plus, fsecure will always pop up with it stupid checking for update while i'm using my phone. can't it check quietly?
atlaswing said:
I've had F-secure anti-theft in my phone for a while now. The txt location service works great, and last month I tried changing the sim, and guess what, got a sms on my backup phone with the new sim's phone number, which is exactly what it is supposed to do.
However, i checked my itemized bill today, and see the program sent an sms to Finland immediately after texting me. The number was 358400112368 . Googled this number and only got two vague references to f-secure on a nokia. Why in the world would they need to txt their mothership about my sim? Anyone else using f-secure anti-theft? Please check your bill and let us know if it sent a txt to finland.
As far as using other similar programs:
Mylookout : never worked for me, website says searching, and times out.
remotetracker : Stay away from this program!! its txt request uses no password, so anyone who knows you have the program installed can secretly monitor you via sms. An intentional oversight from the developer perhaps? And pretty malicious at that too! Edit: got it, see post below.
ms myphone : free version can only check the daily sync log. I cannot initiate a location search unless i pay, or am I doing it wrong?
so, anyone with f-secure got the txt to 358400112368? I guess this post will be the only 3rd google search result for this number?
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when was the last time you used mylookout? A few months ago, it couldn't find the phone for me, but in the last month, it is working.
rumpleforeskin said:
another vote for remotetracker.
It found my phone when left in a taxi
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Maybe I should try that one. Esp. for my son.
me said:
I came across this thread, and just downloaded (didn't install yet) the f-secure app.
A couple things I don't understand.
I believe I have read posts here about needing a "backup mobile number", for the company to send SMS to, if something suspicious is happening with the phone.
But what if one only has one mobile number, no backup? Is the app then useless? (Couldn't there be an e-mail, or a call to the landline?)
Also, I see that besides giving this app away, F-Secure sells "mobile secuirty". (I guess that means anti-virus and such. Is that really necessary? I have never used an AV on my phone before, and never had a problem with that AFAIK.)
With the post about the SMS to Finland (probably company headquarters), it occurs to me, they may give away this anti-theft app, in order to get your phone #, and send you text messages advertising their AV app? I wouldn't want to get spammed with text messages. Has that happened to anyone
using this?
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what about getting a google voice number? Then you could send it there.
badai said:
i've changed sim few time. fsecure only send sms to the assigned number (i know, i've itemized billing, and i can send sms internationally).
anyway, since it can never reply with correct location, and i've already figured out how to use remotetracker, i'm ditching it too. plus, fsecure will always pop up with it stupid checking for update while i'm using my phone. can't it check quietly?
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so fsecure you can't get a correct location?
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when was the last time you used mylookout? A few months ago, it couldn't find the phone for me, but in the last month, it is working.
Maybe I should try that one. Esp. for my son.
what about getting a google voice number? Then you could send it there.
so fsecure you can't get a correct location?
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see my previous post. it always say location not available.
I just tried lookout. I like it more than remotetracker because it's easier to use (the online "dashboard" makes it easy). The thing I hated the most about remotetracker (and other apps dealing with coded SMS) is that I would have to use an authorized phone and the proper codes to do whatever I need to do. At least with lookout, I can just go online and kill all my data and locate my phone.
I tested the "locate" feature. It found my phone in 2 minutes, but it was a little over one mile away from my phone!
The "scream" feature: It's a loud firetruck-type siren...it was a little bad because San Bruno, CA (one city away from me) had a horrible fireball accident a couple of days ago.
I guess it does its job. The locate feature is decent, but to think that it was off by 1-mile, it could make a difference in a big city.
Are there any apps for the HD2 where you can text over wifi?
I think your best option would be to download AIM for Windows Mobile (it's in the marketplace and it's free) or a IM client that supports AIM. Then go to aim.com to create an account, launch the AIM or IM client program, sign in, add your friend's/family's number (including area code), and talk away! Be sure to tell them who you are since the text message that they will be receive will show your screen name (unless you use your name as your screen name). Hope this helps
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I think your best option would be to download AIM for Windows Mobile (it's in the marketplace and it's free) or a IM client that supports AIM. Then go to aim.com to create an account, launch the AIM or IM client program, sign in, add your friend's/family's number (including area code), and talk away! Be sure to tell them who you are since the text message that they will be receive will show your screen name (unless you use your name as your screen name). Hope this helps
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Ive already done this, but thanks anyway!
soopahsteve said:
Ive already done this, but thanks anyway!
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So it doesn't work? Or are you just looking for an alternative option?
soopahsteve said:
Ive already done this, but thanks anyway!
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So it doesn't work? Or are you just looking for an alternative option?
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So it doesn't work? Or are you just looking for an alternative option?
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I think hes after something that will let you send a SMS over wifi for free, but it will be revieved by the other person as a normal SMS.
However, i might be wrong
lonelykatana said:
I think hes after something that will let you send a SMS over wifi for free, but it will be revieved by the other person as a normal SMS.
However, i might be wrong
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AIM let's you send SMS over wifi for free. When the other person receives the text, it will just say "Sent from AIM (Screen name)". Although one problem that comes to mind would be teh fact that the other person won't be able to send him a SMS unless he is logged in? Or it might show up later when he signs in. But it would definitely not notify him automatically that he has an incoming message unless he is logged in.
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AIM let's you send SMS over wifi for free. When the other person receives the text, it will just say "Sent from AIM (Screen name)". Although one problem that comes to mind would be teh fact that the other person won't be able to send him a SMS unless he is logged in? Or it might show up later when he signs in. But it would definitely not notify him automatically that he has an incoming message unless he is logged in.
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But I guess AIM is only available for US only and therefore this person must be looking for free services for other countries.
nicedude_abad said:
But I guess AIM is only available for US only and therefore this person must be looking for free services for other countries.
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Good point! The search continues to find an answer for my fellow HD2er.
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So it doesn't work? Or are you just looking for an alternative option?
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It does work, but I am in fact, looking for a possibly native app like text free plus for the iPhone
lonelykatana said:
I think hes after something that will let you send a SMS over wifi for free, but it will be revieved by the other person as a normal SMS.
However, i might be wrong
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Yer right.
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But I guess AIM is only available for US only and therefore this person must be looking for free services for other countries.
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No, I aim works for me out of country, but I am in the US.... Sooooooooooo.
Some email accounts support this too. I know I've received SMS from att.net and yahoo.com users and was able to reply via SMS to them. Google also supports SMS via google talk worldwide.
Phantoms said:
Some email accounts support this too. I know I've received SMS from att.net and yahoo.com users and was able to reply via SMS to them.
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Yeah, I was just googling my question, and I came up with a website that told me to set a mail2web account and use microsoft's direct push to send SMS through wifi.
I feel your pain, I assume you want SMS via Wi-Fi due to no coverage where you are.
unfortunately its not possible in the traditional sense as SMS are transmitted via the network, not the internet. So for an SMS to be delivered (and sent) you need to be connected to your carriers network.
If the HD2 were UMA compliant we wouldn't have any issues, since its not the chances this will ever work are slim/none. Sorry
Use palringo for mobile, it's great!
(supports AIM, MSN, Google Talk, etc. etc. and looks good)
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Yeah, I was just googling my question, and I came up with a website that told me to set a mail2web account and use microsoft's direct push to send SMS through wifi.
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With my provider (T-Mobile USA), I can send SMS from the web. I have to log into My.T-Mobile.com (faq here) which I can do with my phone from any wifi access point. So it's basically accessing the internet on the phone via wifi to send a SMS. On the phone I can make a link to this page which means one click to send a SMS from the web. I can also access this same feature from any computer.
Check with your cell provider and see if they offer something similar.