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The title is ambiguous enough that it can techically be argued that it belongs in the upgrading forum (since it's about upgrading) or the WM2005 forum, since it's about WM2005, and this forum, since it's asking an opinion petaining to the Himalaya. so if anyone feels it should be relocated, argue it out, or move it if you have the power.
OK, so basically, I currently run my Himalaya with 2003SE, running TomTom 5, and MMS/SMS with all the other default features in use such as calendar, bla bla...
However, WM2005 does look rather attractive and so I was wondering if it was worth upgrading to it, and if there's any special considerations I need to bear in mind, or if anyone has an opinion why I should avoid it, or indeed embrace it, then I'd be interested in what you have to say.
I would also like to know what improvements WM 2005 brings. And if it doesnt work can I bring back WM 2003 SE by hard resetting my device ?
I installed it, nothing like firsthand experience.
you can revert back by flashing 2003(SE) back to the PDA.
personally, I think it's certainly worth trying, just set yourself up with a RAMdisk, or you really waste space
Try it, I love WM2005, it runs smooth as hell on my device! Everything works flawlessly.
i have this cd where i placed all the programs and apps that i use or would like to have on my xda. anytime i'm forced to do a hard reset i simply reinstall them. the only app that doesn't work with my upgrade to wm2005 is animated today...then again i did write to the developer and they said they're working on getting an update for wm2005 compatibility. so the only thing you might encounter is an app that doesn't work right with wm2005 since it was originally designed to run with older rom versions (like se). and it's been 3 or 4 months since i did my wm2005 upgrade; haven't done a hard reset yet as everything is stable.
other than that i think wm2005 rocks. buzz, xda2jojo, toenailed, and toflock are among those who did an incredible job in bringing wm2005 to the xda2.
Hi all... does anyone know about T-Mobile UK, and if they about to release upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.0?
My current Windows is way too slow, a friend upgraded his same phone with a 6.0 version he found on the net (illegal version I guess) but it looks fantastic, and is way faster than the previous.
Thanks!
I work for TMUK & have checked this (as I have a vario II myself!). There are no plans to release an official WM6 upgrade, the focus is on the new WM6 devices (touch & vario 3).
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!
jannen said:
Hi all... does anyone know about T-Mobile UK, and if they about to release upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.0?
My current Windows is way too slow, a friend upgraded his same phone with a 6.0 version he found on the net (illegal version I guess) but it looks fantastic, and is way faster than the previous.
Thanks!
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there is what appears to be a beta tmobile wm6 rom about (you can find links to it in the Hermes Mobile 6 forum), which is very good indeed. Apparently tmo aren't going to release it though, but tmo uk's whole treatment of htc devices seems to be a bit random anyway, so you never know.
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I went to the T-mobile store (Uk) and asked about the upgrade. He said should be no problem downloading WM6 from Windows website, and should not worry with warranty as Im already over the 12 month warranty period. Ive been everywhere on Microsoft's website, but cant find any download! (???) Besides would that cause probs as the phone is locked to T-Mobile?
Anyone help here, please. Im not an expert (Im bit fed up to how slow WM5 compared having a 400mhz processor!)
you could either look on here for the htc original hermes rom, the t-mobile test rom, they are both for wm6, infact any rom in the hermes forum works superbly.
Sorry to ask stuipid questions, but what bennifits will i see if i upgrade to WM6 from WM5? My hermes seems to be running pretty well with WM5 but maybe im missing something.
Thanks
There's a whole forum for WM6 ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=355 )discussion and tons of info to cover all of the above. If you want to know about the different ROm's pluses, minuses etc read the stickies. Still, why anyone would want a TMo ROM is beyond me, loads of extra stuff you never use and a dial pad in PINK...
wm6, no real difference
i just thought I would add to this thread and say that there arent any real major differences in windows mobile 5 & 6, the email is the only big advantage in that outlook can display html messages but, in good old microsoft design, you have to upgrade the server side of things (ie, exchange 2003 to exchange 2007).
Mail2web (which i use for push email) only uses exchange 2003 so you still get your emails in plain text.
Microsoft did a good job of dressing up windows mobile 6 as something its not but, having said that the hermes and its software beats sloppy nokia's and sony ericssons hands down!
what are the advantages/disadvantages of wm2003 / wm6.1? which one is much better? coz for me, wm 6.1 is really nice but i miss the storage memory on wm3..so i'm thinking of downgrading to wm3...so i would like your opinion about the 2 roms/versions..
I have the same dilemma, wm 6 is slower but much nicer... I don't know many other advantages...
advantage of WM6 is that there are a lot of cool new third party applications available for WM6 while 2003 has a few really old ones and not many new ones being released anymore.
hmmm....how about WM5 then?
I forgot the most important difference between 2003 and WM5 and 6. Persistent memory. Meaning if you run out of power your data will not be erased in WM5 and WM6. Between 5 and 6.1 the most obvious difference would be threaded SMS.
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I forgot the most important difference between 2003 and WM5 and 6. Persistent memory. Meaning if you run out of power your data will not be erased in WM5 and WM6. Between 5 and 6.1 the most obvious difference would be threaded SMS.
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ok..what i only like w/ 2003 is the storage capacity..it's far more better than wm6.1 but i could live with that..
WM 6
Hi i bought my first htc himalaya (02 XDA II) off ebay for 80 quid two months ago and it was running wm2003. Cause im only 12 i thought it would be great but i was let down by the interface and there wasnt much on it. So i decided to do some research on later versions of wm. And found that on 6 there are a lot more things on offer. So i said "sod it im gona update the system" and i did twice with diffrent versions and found the one i liked. Since then i have played COD 2 on it with NO LAG! So i think it is THE best!
It might be a stupid thread and stupid question and I believe the ANSWER of it might be …… it will never happen.
BUT
Is it possible? Can it be?
I am not a good fan of Android as I had a lot of problem with Nexus one,
I have been using windows mobile since ages, my first was the IPAQ, Imate PDA2K, HTC cruse, Diamond, HD (BlackStone) and Nexus one < --- just to test Android
I might be wrong judging the Android but here are my notes:
- No X button to close the applications so they just keep running in the background
- No file browser
- It was hard to make it run the WMV and still not good
- I understand in the WM 6.5 no Transcriber and block recognizer, but I think it can be managed
- No today desktop to be customized as I like to see my task and calendar
- Office is not there the way you want
And many manay other issues
Well sorry for the (too much writing) but maybe I could get some help here or people might enlighten me
THX
Honestly I have no idea how to install Wm on that phone...and I would never want to if I were yu...but ur issues don't seem to lye with android...yu just need to do some market browsing because there is a program called advanced task killer that kills apps in the background..it also has a nifty little home widget...yu can also download astro file explorer to search files on ur phone...just like in wm ...there are apps and Widgets for all the issues yu stated...the best advice I can give tho is that if yu want a wm phone...then buy one...hold out for the hd7 and see if someone might trade yu for ur desire HD...hope I've helped..
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Thanks for the answer and as I said I already knew it will not be possible, HD with WM7 is close to android, no today screen and it is almost Iphone, I might sound old fashion but I believe it is hard to change things you got used to
I am a Linux user too (Ubuntu Lucid) is what I am using, I believe I will give Desire HD a try and see, maybe I might be able to find a way to install WM on it maybe I give Android a better look and see what it has.
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I might be wrong judging the Android but here are my notes:
- No X button to close the applications so they just keep running in the background
- No file browser
- It was hard to make it run the WMV and still not good
- I understand in the WM 6.5 no Transcriber and block recognizer, but I think it can be managed
- No today desktop to be customized as I like to see my task and calendar
- Office is not there the way you want
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1. No, there is no "X" button, but Android's memory management is clever enough that you don't need one.
2. There are plenty of file browsers available on the Marketplace
3. I assume you mean .wmv videos? Not sure on this one.
4. Not sure about this
5. You can get all manner of widgets for Android that show calendars and you can get task managers etc.
6. No, office isn't perfect, but it's getting better.
If all of this is really a concern for you - why not just get an HD2? It's the same screen size and most of the same features (give or take megapixels, DLNA and a couple of bits and pieces here and there). At least then you can run WM6.5 as default and toy with the Android port which is developing really well in the meantime.
Don't want you to hate me guys BUT i did use the HD2, and here are my notes:
-Battery runs out fast
-don't like the new start menu
-no pen comes with it (i understand that all new HTC don't) i am OK with it, BUT it is not smooth the way you want in HD2.
well i am sorry to cause you headache guys i am really lost here and i do like HTC phones it is just cannot find the one that do serves me as my HD (blackstone) do
The only thing i would spare the HD (BlackStone) is its slowness.
I might consider desire HD and give it a try.
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@jmohik : So you wanna step back in time to WM6.1 ... if you dont like HD2 now... all the new phones (anytime soon now) are start gonna ship with WM7 .... as per your feedback and requirements, I believe you will ditch WM smartphones altogether
Btw...dont know what more do you want from a HD2 which is able to run a WM6.1, WM6.5, WM6.5.5, All Android Builds, and soon WM7 !
As far as battery, I get 1.5 days out of it .... dont expect more from such beasts...if you do, switch to Nokia
as i said ... i don't want you to hate me guys, and i said it is not easy to change things you got used to ....
well .... i will get the desire HD and i guess i will start on using it.
and BTW i also have a NOKIA E75
Thats the spirit !
It'd be far more interesting to know whether its possible to hack a WM7 rom onto the phone, seeing as the hardware looks identical to the HD7 that HTC are releasing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm Android all the way but theres no harm in experimenting!
I think you just need to spend 2-4 weeks with an Android phone running HTC Sense. I used to use a WM6.1 device, then WM6.5 and then moved to the HTC Hero which was on Android 1.5, and now 2.1. Since the first day I got the Hero, I have not looked back at WM. There really is no question about it.
I understand it all comes down to personal preference, but a Linux user like yourself should find Android easier to work with than those who don't use Linux.
As one of the other guys mentioned above, there are plenty of apps on the market you can get for free which do pretty much everything you say you want. The reason HTC don't provide a stylus these days is the screens are now capacitive not resistive, and better suited to fingers and thumbs. You can still get a stylus, but it would cost more.
P.S. I don't really have much love for the stock Android experience, as on the Nexus One... HTC Sense over the top of it is just amazing... in my opinion, but like I said, everyone has their own personal preference..!
i had an HD2 running wm6.53 and Android from the SD card. Dual booting serves no purpose BUT ITS GREAT!!!
I will get this device when its out as my HD2 died. I would love to be able to dual boot to WM7 just to give it a go.
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i had an HD2 running wm6.53 and Android from the SD card. Dual booting serves no purpose BUT ITS GREAT!!!
I will get this device when its out as my HD2 died. I would love to be able to dual boot to WM7 just to give it a go.
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Surely your HD2 is still within its 12 month warranty! I've had mine since it came out, that isn't even a year yet!
No one will put the time and effort in to port WP7 to an Android device, it just won't really be feasible given the amount of people who will actually want it.
Also, I can imagine it being a lot harder to go, given that WP7 is closed source, and Android is open source.
I said I'd never go Android because it looked silly and geeky and now I'm addicted to it. I can't believe I put up with WinMo for all the years and didn't use another system. Android (Mostly HTC Sense style) destroys Windows Mobile and the only thing I still like about Windows Mobile is the Windows Live Messenger official client.
Anyone still use WinMo who also uses Android? Why do you? What are your reasons?
Garmin Mobile XT. There is no Garmin GPS software on Android (and I have many Garmin maps)
4 days ago i installed andorid just to use 1 application. ONE!!!!
and today i just use winmo for 1 application only (garmin). ONE!!!!
and my default boot now is android. i even turn airplane mode on in winmo so that i can't use winmo as phone anymore. now i use winmo just to copy data.img and the default connection is usb disk.
after i buy igo/papago/ndrive/whatever i'll stop using winmo altogether.
its a choice really there are lot of good things on winmo and same time lot of good apps in android.some of us can have dual boot.its just a choice.
I actually like both android and windows, if windows had a better market place I wouldn't bother with android, I love the simplicity of windows, the multitasking is by far better in windows, I can have lots of apps open and simply switch between them, android does this to a certain extent, htc sense is far superior in windows the slick weather animations are more detailed, sense on android seems a slightly basic affair, on windows I love the bbc news app much nicer to use than the android one, now facebook app works a treat on windows, my memory map navigator simply syncs with my pc maps and works better than any of the basic ordinance survey map apps on android, there are lots of bird/wildlife guides on windows, hardly any on android.
Alas android has many more games and a vast marketplace, and flash works straight out the box on android whereas its a little hit and miss on windows.
I can run windows and never use my 500mb per month data limit, with android I have to be so careful of what its downloading in the background constantly.
So yes I still like windows, androids ui almost feels a little mobile shell to me and I found that a widgety cluttery hodge podge
Whats windows mobile? lol
maybe winmo is dead..but its true,i dont want to completely change to android bcoz of garmin
I haven't booted to Win Mo since October (and I was a huge defender of the OS).
If I ever do need to boot back into it, it's because I have TomTom remaining on 6.5, but as I'm not driving currently then it's not likely to happen! Indeed I may well go to NAND in the next week.
I agree with the above post that Sense was slicker/more attactive on 6.5, but (except TomTom) there's not a single App that's missed or not excelled by it's Android alternative - and even if there is one, it's outweighed by the sheer number of quality Apps available on 'Droid.
But 6.5 was never a bad platform, just Microsoft completely screwed it with no MarketPlace and no UI, until HTC and Cookie showed how it could be done.
Overall the experience of Android is fantastic on the HD2, so for me, no looking back!
Same here...I never thought I'll leave WinMo for Android at the early stages but here we are today. I havent used Windows Mobile as a phone for nearly 4 months now and cant simply understand the vast user interactivity and experience between the two OSes. Android totally kills WinMo but I still go back to it just because of Tomtom which I must say is quite good. Once they get tomtom on Android, I'll most likely ditch WinMO for good.
same here. I always used winmo since 5.0. I couldn t believe that i ever use another OS, but WinMo is dead specially after releasing phone7. After a long time i finally installed android and i don t see a reason to change back. Oh maybe sync with Outlook?!? Oh no wait, outlook can t sync with phone7 Make a pptp vpn with 6.5 oh wait microsoft don t support it s own encrypton mppe )
If you ask me WinMo is dead...
I've installed android to give it another go (tried before on my blackstone and thought it was "meh" ) and to be prepaired for any clients who use it.
It's still meh to be honest, feels clunky, I've no idea if the back arrow is closing an app or leaving it paused in the background, web browsing doesn't work for some of the pages I visit (with link redirects) using either the built in browser or opera mobile, I hate that you can select hyperlinks without zooming in. The email client sucks. I'd check out gallery but I always give up after 5 minutes of it trying to load all the folders with images rather than taking me to a default location and then letting me decide which folder to look in. Album under WM is so much better.
Can't stand the keyboard, god knows why MS copied it for WP7. Having to go to a seperate overlay to get numbers? Come on that's crap. If I can hold a key down and get a row of alternate characters, why can't one of them be a number?
So far I use it mostly for kindle. I've got angry birds installed but prefer huff n puff on WM (just wish it had more levels).
Recently I've been using winmo for fpsece... its so much better and more customizable than psx4droid is. Sometimes I just prefer using winmo, too. I've been using it 8 years... i can do anything I can do on Android with winmo. But sometimes now I prefer Android, too. But my hd2 is perfect, cause I can have both. I just hope magldr gets support for winmo soon.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
As Android has been ported to the HD2 using the SDCard I started to test it, and I noticed that my Android HD2 was much more fast and smooth than using WM.
As soon as the NAND Android version was available, I flashed my HD2 with MAGLDR and installed Android, and I think I'll never rollback, maybe to test WM7 on HD2, but that's the only real reason that would make me rollback to WM.
Not used WinMo once since i first tried out an Android SD Rom in October, and just switched to a NAND build.
Used WinMo since i got my first XDA, an XDA Exec, but i sure wouldn't go back now
If only winmo had better native UI, more finger friendly, and more official support from the popular services (e.g. twitter, dropbox, better facebook app, whatsapp, etc). Then I'd still think winmo is a better and more professional os than android.
luffyp said:
If only winmo had better native UI, more finger friendly, and more official support from the popular services (e.g. twitter, dropbox, better facebook app, whatsapp, etc). Then I'd still think winmo is a better and more professional os than android.
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Have you tried SPB mobile shell? Give the free trial a go then look up version 5 and try not to drool and shake your fists in frustration that it's not available to consumers yet
hachuah said:
Garmin Mobile XT. There is no Garmin GPS software on Android (and I have many Garmin maps)
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This!
I'd feel much safer out in the boondocks with Garmin than I do with Copilot. I tried looking up directions to a golf course once and it wasn't in Copilot - the course has been open more than 10 years!
Even though I've gone full nand android, I certainly wouldn't mind if I could giving up say 50-75mb of nand space for a slim winmo 6.5 dual boot.
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Have you tried SPB mobile shell? Give the free trial a go then look up version 5 and try not to drool and shake your fists in frustration that it's not available to consumers yet
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Yes, I tried it and have used it on my MDA, Wing, Omnia I900 and even have it installed and running on my HD2. However, SPB has been saying since October 2010 that it will be supporting Android soon. Well here it is, Jan 2011 and soon apparently is still not here. LOL
So, what is the point of 'drooling' at something that is not there. SPB demonstrated V5 back in Feb 2010. One more month and its been 1 YEAR.
I use Android on my HD2 and would not go back to WM regardless of version and whatever SPB has or will have. Their support is non-existant.
I use LauncherPro Plus and it far exceeds SPB Mobile Shell.
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Garmin Mobile XT. There is no Garmin GPS software on Android (and I have many Garmin maps)
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+1 same reason for me, IGo or Sygic maps are far from being as good or up to date, copilot map doesn t even exist where i live. I switch to winmo when i take the car to use garmin.
Also i miss a few dictionaries not yet available in Android. And here with edge available only , online dictionaries are really to slow.
WTF is Windows Mobile?