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Non square pixels ?

I've noticed that Leo is somewhat wide, and still it has same resolution as other phones.
It has resolution 480x800, which is width=0.6 * height.
That huge Russian review states that Leo has display dimensions 88x56 mm. That makes it 0.63 * height. Which would mean the pixels are not square, it is 5% wider.
That is not much and it would be hardly noticeable. But if you rotate the screen, it will be 5% in other direction, and the difference would be 10%.
Question is .. is it noticeable ?
At least it should be measurable. If you have Leo, could you recheck my theory ? Display perfect circle or square (such bitmap should be easy to make on PC), and use ruler to measure the width and height on Leo's display. Also try that in landscape mode.
If indeed the pixels are not square, I'm interested how is it noticeable. Especially on people it should be visible, especially if you switch from landscape to portrait and back. On portrait all should be wider, on landscape all should be thinner.

88x56 cant be correct cause it is not 5:3 and this also imply a 4,1" display and not a 4,3" one ^^. Conclusion: The values arent correct . The pixel are squared.

It's probably not that noticable, or rather doesn't matter as soon as you get used to it. The pixels on my laptop (Thinkpad SL500) aren't square either, but as soon as you get used to it it's no problem

NetDwarf said:
88x56 cant be correct cause it is not 5:3 and this also imply a 4,1" display and not a 4,3" one ^^. Conclusion: The values arent correct . The pixel are squared.
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Good point. Still .. what is the real display size ?
Leo surely seems wider aspect ratio then my current Xperia, which has the same resolution, and perfect 0.6 ratio.

I searched for some pictures on google and measured the aspect ratio on them, and it looks ok. So the impression comes probably just from the fact that Leo does not have hardware keys and the part above display is quite short too.
Good ! Eh .. now I simply HAVE to buy it, right ?

to be 4.3in diagonal (109.22mm) AND be square pixel at 800x480 the lcd size has to be 93.65mm X 56mm.
Is is that? i don't know, but it would fit in the frame reported at 120.5mm x 67mm.

I just held a ruler next to my screen and measured the screen. The size is 56x94. The are approximate sizes no exact measurements...

Thanx, that makes this non-issue.

Incredible thinner than expected?

When I first picked up the Incredible the other day(I did purchase one to test for a client that needs 15 of them) I noticed that the phones was narrower than I expected.
I know the specs says 60mm wide or 2.30inches compared to the Nexus 1 at 2.36 or the Desire at 2.36. Any of you have both to compare the screen size widths?
I like the Width of the 3.8" screen on the Touch HD and the width on the Iphone.
Just curious. It just seems narrow.
Also with AMOLED the dots in the text are very visible. The reviews I have read didn't mention anything about this. I was surprised to see that the Text seems a little fuzzy when in smaller sizes compared to my Touch HD. Obviously in the larger fonts you can see the dots more clearly on the incredible.
Just some observations.

Screen size?

Hi.
I just want to know how people feel about screen size.
I know that they say ''the bigger the better'' but hey, we are still talking about a phone here.
So i say that the 4 inch X10 display is great and i think is the maximum i would like on my phone.
I was reading the other thread about the X10 and the Streak and saw this review with a video of the Streak (http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/06/dell-streak-review/ )
At the end of the video they show us how it fits your pants and how you look when talking on the phone.
I personaly think it is a bit odd.
So i would like to see how everybody feels about the screen size, aspect ratio and if you would like to see bigger displays on a phone.

I think 3.7 to 4.0" is ideal, any smaller, and my fingers can't press the right buttons lol.

To me the aspect ratio is more important, the 4" 16:9 display on the X10 is optimal imo.

4" 16:9 screen and some added borders by the phone itself is the limit for a phone in my opinion. Anything bigger I would see as a tablet computer.
Some say the X10 are too big. I'd say those saying that, are the small people with cute little hands.
I'm a rather big dude myself and I find the X10 fit perfectly into my hand and I can operate the phone onehanded, but I prefer one hand holding, the other pointing.

SysGhost said:
4" 16:9 screen and some added borders by the phone itself is the limit for a phone in my opinion. Anything bigger I would see as a tablet computer.
Some say the X10 are too big. I'd say those saying that, are the small people with cute little hands.
I'm a rather big dude myself and I find the X10 fit perfectly into my hand and I can operate the phone onehanded, but I prefer one hand holding, the other pointing.
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I'm rather average guy, so average that they could probably use my hands to design stuff for "average-sized hands" and I find the the X10 to be perfect. No one I've encountered has any problems using the phone, except maybe dad but he's an old car mechanic and couldn't use a touchscreen if his life depended on it.

It's just right for me, using my Garmin Nuvi with a 5" screen for comparison, 4" is perfect. Phones are supposed to be "mobile" these days, anything bigger would be borderline pocket PC and just too much bulk in the pocket to be called a mobile.

for me it can be bigger a bit
4.5' should be the best for me
most important is the resolution need increase
previously there's a thread talking about resolution is good enough
but it's obviously losing when i compare to my x1

gaolinde said:
for me it can be bigger a bit
4.5' should be the best for me
most important is the resolution need increase
previously there's a thread talking about resolution is good enough
but it's obviously losing when i compare to my x1
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The X10 has a higher resolution than the X1 and has even slightly higher than most other phones.

ddewbofh said:
The X10 has a higher resolution than the X1 and has even slightly higher than most other phones.
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yes but as the screen on the x1 is so much smaller (3in), the pixel size is also reduced and as such it looks sharper. so if you cut off an inch of the x10s display, the x1 would have a higher res.
i.e. hd films on the x1 looked amazing. just small
same difference between a 1920x1080 17" laptop screen and 1920x1200 24" desktop screen. the 24" is higher res, but the laptop will look sharper.

james_2k said:
yes but as the screen on the x1 is so much smaller (3in), the pixel size is also reduced and as such it looks sharper. so if you cut off an inch of the x10s display, the x1 would have a higher res.
i.e. hd films on the x1 looked amazing. just small
same difference between a 1920x1080 17" laptop screen and 1920x1200 24" desktop screen. the 24" is higher res, but the laptop will look sharper.
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So what you really meant was that the X1 has a higher DPI. Yeah, that is a good point, but on the other hand the X10 display does more colours and the added size helps when reading text because you don't have to zoom in as much as with a smaller display to see it clearly. So there are good points and bad points to each, I prefer a bigger screen but YMMV.

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So what you really meant was that the X1 has a higher DPI. Yeah, that is a good point, but on the other hand the X10 display does more colours and the added size helps when reading text because you don't have to zoom in as much as with a smaller display to see it clearly. So there are good points and bad points to each, I prefer a bigger screen but YMMV.
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no i didnt mean dpi as it wasnt me who said the x1 had higher res in the first place (that was gaolinde), i just jumped in
but i also agree, i much prefer the x10s screen

james_2k said:
no i didnt mean dpi as it wasnt me who said the x1 had higher res in the first place (that was gaolinde), i just jumped in
but i also agree, i much prefer the x10s screen
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Heh, must've misread somewhere along the cross-fire. I'm blaming the 40C heat here.

haha ok it was me who said resolution.
anyway my point is in the "previous post" i mentioned many guys said very firmly that the DPI of X10 is good enough, any higher DPI won't make it different, and in the same thread people point out than x1 got the same DPI as iphone4.
but the fact is when you comparing it side by side you'll spot the different even your eye is 30cm away from the device.

gaolinde said:
haha ok it was me who said resolution.
anyway my point is in the "previous post" i mentioned many guys said very firmly that the DPI of X10 is good enough, any higher DPI won't make it different, and in the same thread people point out than x1 got the same DPI as iphone4.
but the fact is when you comparing it side by side you'll spot the different even your eye is 30cm away from the device.
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I'd say that's a valid point, "good enough" is just that. It's a phone ffs, it's not like you're spend spend hours staring at the screen or reading any longer books on it anyway. I have to look at the screen from about two or centimeters away to see any individual pixels or even notice any pixeling for that matter. For it's purpose it's more than good enough.
If I want to watch movies comfortably the screen has to be much, much bigger anyway and if you want to read a lot then you should get an e-ink display. For casual webbrowsing, making calls and listening to music this display is just fine.

yap it's good enough but can be better.
though it's not gonna happen in x10 hopefully for next SE flagship.
i am a SE fanboy with high expectations
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4" is ok.
4.3" or 4.5" would be better.
Bigger, no way.

All things considered I think 4 is great. 4.3 or 4.5 would be nicer but higher battery drain.
I guess a 4.5 AMOLED would still be better on the battery than a 4.0 LCD.

Pro-Hero screen size article

http://www.carrypad.com/2011/08/12/a-critical-look-at-the-interface-and-ergonomics-of-android/all/1/
Interesting article and the main reason none of the newer, more powerful phones interest me.

While i kind of agree with this guy, I've been annoyed by the small size of the screen on the Hero many times. When you want to check something quickly on your phone, the small screen size is fine. However, when you're using the phone to pass time (browsing the web while on road trips etc.) it can be really annoying to have a small screen. You have to constantly use your fingers to scroll up and down when reading, and viewing any sort of graphs is impossible. Bigger screens are usually better for gaming aswell, since you can see details better, and touch controls get bigger.

I am not happy,I can't do anything ..

thats why i choosed desire hd over se arc cauz of it's screen ratio ,, to long that you cant manage it with one hand at all , and you know , playing with your phone while you driving with your 2 hands = go to hell !
good info. thanks

The screen size is slightly thinner than an iPhone's by about 5mm, and some people might find it harder to type with because of that, but IMO, the screen size is just right. I can't imagine carrying around a phone with a 4.3" screen in my front pocket.

i think the best screensize is 3.7 -4.0 inch screens, i want the size because i surf a lot, but i still want it to be pretty portable

I agree somewhat with the article, but I do find I want my Hero screen to be bigger. Maybe the size of the original Desire. But the larger screens do look nice too.

Ultimately, you will all be tempted by the big touchscreen. Join the dark side.
Look at this all craze, manufacturers are testing even bigger sizes, +5inch, and along with the tablet spree, it looks like searching for the perfect size, perfect ratio.
A company with a fruit in it's logo knew it all along. 3.5 inch for a phone, 10 inch for a tab. Ekhm..
I'm just gonna playa smartass prophet and say that android tablets are gonna get bigger too. 12 inch, maybe 13 inch. But I doubt if much more without a breakthrough in battery technology. Li-ons would really suck on 13 inch tab, quad core.

Does the display on LG Nexus 4, really 4.7" and 1280x768 resolution ?

As the days goes on and i look at that smartphone that i want it, of course, i ask myself (for the start) if is an optical illusion or i see right and what is about i talk:
compared wiht LG Optimus G, the screen is same but resolution could not be really same, cause a little space down is eat by the capacitive buttons (see in picture of Engadget review, below, or here: http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-4-review/)
So, the ask is, Does the display on LG Nexus 4, really 4.7" and 1280x768 resolution if 15% of that space is capacitive buttons and dont show anything else ?

beberobu said:
As the days goes on and i look at that smartphone that i want it, of course, i ask myself (for the start) if is an optical illusion or i see right and what is about i talk:
compared wiht LG Optimus G, the screen is same but resolution could not be really same, cause a little space down is eat by the capacitive buttons (see in picture of Engadget review, below, or here: http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-4-review/)
So, the ask is, Does the display on LG Nexus 4, really 4.7" and 1280x768 resolution if 15% of that space is capacitive buttons and dont show anything else ?
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yes it is...
every review say that One x's display is slightly better than LG one...so i made this question to htc forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33605612#post33605612
HTC isn't a screen manufacturer,so where they took the best display on the merket?
I thought the new LG display was absolutly the best one... :crying:

beberobu said:
As the days goes on and i look at that smartphone that i want it, of course, i ask myself (for the start) if is an optical illusion or i see right and what is about i talk:
compared wiht LG Optimus G, the screen is same but resolution could not be really same, cause a little space down is eat by the capacitive buttons (see in picture of Engadget review, below, or here: http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-4-review/)
So, the ask is, Does the display on LG Nexus 4, really 4.7" and 1280x768 resolution if 15% of that space is capacitive buttons and dont show anything else ?
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The LG Nexus 4 do not have capacitive buttons. Neither do it take up 15% of the space.
Google posted the spec themselves, they would not lie about it, that would result in a class action lawsuit.

beberobu said:
As the days goes on and i look at that smartphone that i want it, of course, i ask myself (for the start) if is an optical illusion or i see right and what is about i talk:
compared wiht LG Optimus G, the screen is same but resolution could not be really same, cause a little space down is eat by the capacitive buttons (see in picture of Engadget review, below, or here: http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-4-review/)
So, the ask is, Does the display on LG Nexus 4, really 4.7" and 1280x768 resolution if 15% of that space is capacitive buttons and dont show anything else ?
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The important detail is that when watching full screen videos, the buttons auto-hide and you can use that screen space.

beberobu said:
As the days goes on and i look at that smartphone that i want it, of course, i ask myself (for the start) if is an optical illusion or i see right and what is about i talk:
compared wiht LG Optimus G, the screen is same but resolution could not be really same, cause a little space down is eat by the capacitive buttons (see in picture of Engadget review, below, or here: http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-4-review/)
So, the ask is, Does the display on LG Nexus 4, really 4.7" and 1280x768 resolution if 15% of that space is capacitive buttons and dont show anything else ?
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Technically, 1280x720 is usable, the rest is used on the software keys

Not true, you took the value off the wrong dimension.

l0st.prophet said:
Not true, you took the value off the wrong dimension.
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Oh, so I did, derp
Maybe 1200x768 then

The buttons take up 96 pixels vertically on the Galaxy Nexus. Assuming the same size, that leaves 768x1184 "usable" resolution at 4.45 inches.

so the screen is not 16:9 anymore...but 15:9 -->1280x768 pixels
so if we play a 720p video in landscape,we will have a black bar up or down the video?

nic85 said:
so the screen is not 16:9 anymore...but 15:9 -->1280x768 pixels
so if we play a 720p video in landscape,we will have a black bar up or down the video?
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No. The bar will disappear when watching videos.

Unconn said:
No. The bar will disappear when watching videos.
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i am not talking about the bar with 3 keys...

When will a company make a phone with on screen keys that don't take up screen real estate.
When you factor in the software keys the screen is closer to 4.4 inches.
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NardVa said:
When will a company make a phone with on screen keys that don't take up screen real estate.
When you factor in the software keys the screen is closer to 4.4 inches.
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How do you expect them to make ONSCREEN keys without taking SCREEN real estate

supersain08 said:
How do you expect them to make ONSCREEN keys without taking SCREEN real estate
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Search for gnex fullscreen. There are several mods that let you hide soft navigation keys and replacce with gesture based navigation or something like the camera has in 4.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKNgoLbml-4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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How do you expect them to make ONSCREEN keys without taking SCREEN real estate
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With the Nexus 4 I would say put the onscreen keys in the bezel area. (Where the hard keys would go) It would make it a 5 inch screen in theory but at all times you would have the full 4.7 of screen real estate to use.
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NardVa said:
With the Nexus 4 I would say put the onscreen keys in the bezel area. (Where the hard keys would go) It would make it a 5 inch screen in theory but at all times you would have the full 4.7 of screen real estate to use.
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So you want a bigger phone, thus giving you more real estate? Easy solution: buy a Galaxy Note II.

abe in space said:
So you want a bigger phone, thus giving you more real estate? Easy solution: buy a Galaxy Note II.
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no... im pretty sure he said he wanted a screen with a thinner bezel on the bottom so that with the on screen buttons, it looks only just bottom heavy (in terms of black)

There seem to be a lot of confusion about the screen size of this device due to google including the on screen menu buttons to the advertised screen size. I have made a lot of research on this topic and contacted several testers and here is the deal... Similarly to the Galaxy Nexus, the 4.7" full screen mode (without on screen menu keys) only activates when watching videos. No other apps such as games, gallery or browser support it. The external dimensions of the phone are those of any other 4.7" phone, but the usable screen never exceeds 4.45" due to the on screen keys always present, except for videos. 16:9 videos, due to the aspect ratio of the N4, will have black bars at the top and bottom of the screen, and won't be truly full screen either, but with a better 4.6" diagonal... Note that if you happen to shoot photos or videos at native screen ratio you will then have black bars on each side of your TV. A mod was made available for rooted Gnex to hide the on screen buttons and use them only when needed. Without it, the N4 is a big phone with a small screen compared to the competition.

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The buttons take up 96 pixels vertically on the Galaxy Nexus. Assuming the same size, that leaves 768x1184 "usable" resolution at 4.45 inches.
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That's perfect! I think a study showed that the ideal screen size for the average hand is 4.5" and that's pretty darn close and just right under it!

The left over screen size is perfectly fine and the fact that the soft keys auto hide make it much more convenient when doing things such as watching videos. The size of the screen makes me a happy camper!