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Yesterday I upgraded my sgs to froyo jpc with kies. I am new with Android but the post of Aery(congrats and thanks) was so clear that i didnt resist: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...=froyo+upgrade
Froyo is of course better than eclair but Android is still disappointing to me.*EDIT: ( If the official Froyo will be better than jpc so maybe, not that disappointing)*
I miss that proper voice dial/control (over bluetooth or not) and proper connectivity control (network,data,bluetooth and gps) of the old Symbian S60 OS on my lost 5800XM
Some Android fans did say that Symbian is primitive in comparison to Android. Well the first edition of the S60 didnt even have kinectic scrolling or multi-touch( the 5800 doesnt even have a capacitive touch screen), but what do I care about those toying things? I want basic functions working properly out of the box.
Android users have to wait till version 2.2 to get voice dialing over bluetooth and it's there now, but is very crappy.
Could android developers not investigate how Symbian does that?
I have mostly dutch names in mine phone book. Android's 2.2 voice dialing doesnt support the language of the phone if its not one of the 5 or 6 of its list
With symbian voice dialing will talk the phone's language as it should be.
With android voice dialing over bluetooth behaves erractic even in english.
And voice dialing directly at the phone doesnt repeat the names that it processes and it's so buggy and also erractic
With my old Nokia 5800XM, I could keep the phone in my pocket, and while listening to music with the headset, press and hold headset's talk button say a name the device repeats it and by no further action it makes the call; without even having to take phone out of the pocket....It wont happen with my sgs.
My car have bluetooth voice system that works perfectly ansd smoothly with my old 5800xm since the very first edition of the symbian S60, without pre-programing both systems...
Nothing primitive about that
Android developers should yhink about the future. The majority of the consumers don't know or don't have time to tweak a device or a OS or help to develop it. The majority of the users want a smartphone that will do basic functions and perform well out of the box...
Because if an android device will be just about being another expensive toy with cool graphics with cool touch-screen stuff, well, that market belongs to i-Phone.
And in this way, the future is not bright; they need to get a grip
That's my opinion
Froyo is still in Beta, the official froyo is not out for the public yet
voice dial works even on 2.1
you can use google voice build in or vlingo free
for data control there is SwitchPro, works great
yes there are still some stuff to polish on Android, it's not perfect, but we are getting there
and i agree the voice dialing is a bit buggy at recognizing the proper command or name to dial even in english
regardless of what your opinion is android is growing stronger by the year and not long before it takes over iphone inmho.
this is obvious, we are 2 years behind, yet look at the speed we are picking up in such a short time
Android Market is full of useful Apps, tools, add ons, and games
i spend a whole week installing apps to see which one was better, as there are times many does the same thing, but some are better designed than other.
For me Android is the cats meow...
I had a Windows Mobile phone (HTC Mogul aka P4000 in Canada) It sucked pretty bad. If it was not for this community that phone would have been useless.
While I've never owned an Iphone, I've had a ipod touch 2nd gen for a while.
Then I got my Galaxy S... I sent a good a amount of time reading about this phone when Samsung announced it. I also sent a good amount of time reading about other HTC android devices along with android itself.
I decided on this phone due to it's specs and how eager the community sounded about it's overall potential.
Sure the iphone has a large following and a very large app store, but it's not nearly customizable as a solid android device with an eager community wanting to constantly push it to it's full potential.
my 2 cents cdn.
riz157 said:
regardless of what your opinion is android is growing stronger by the year and not long before it takes over iphone inmho.
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I don't care if Android becomes another "hype" like the i-Phone, because it's "cool" is from Google or stuff like that.
I just want mine quite expensive Android device having the basic functions working properly out of the box.
Can you imagine what's gonna happen when Nokia decides to come up with a real high-end device, and with that I mean real fast processor, lots of Ram and Rom like in the sgs and then running Symbian^3 or Meego? The thing will fly.
That N8 is looking good but comes with the same old arm processor of the N97 just overlocked ( so I heard)
As I said I don't care about the i-Phone and all those suckers paying an abusive price to have a "hype" thing
And I dont care about how strong or rich Google gets. I am not a stock holder and i dont work for Google..do you?
I just wanted mine expensive phone having a good working stock voice dialing system.
If something is not working we have to point it out dont we?
Stop behaving like a fanboy and let them hear us...
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this is obvious, we are 2 years behind, yet look at the speed we are picking up in such a short time
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Well, best answer till now. 2 years huh? Just that if you talk about vlingo, google voice search, voice dial of the 2.1 and all those apps on the market, you really should have a look at Symbian voice dialing; it looks like more than 2 years ahead.
Btw, Symbian S60 got it right on its first edition with the 5800XM. and that's very impressive for a phone that costs around 200 euros....
Well, but i like the bigger and brighter screen of the sgs. And its nice sound and good working wifi....but that have nothing to do with Android.....
Google said that currently only the US English is supported and working for the voice features.
The other accents, like UK English, and the other languages will be coming later.
But the good news with this, is that once the voice features are supported for a language, everything works - not only voice dialing, but also voice search, etc...
So I guess we just need to be patient.... at least google have already shown us that they are working fast.
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Google said that currently only the US English is supported and working for the voice features.
The other accents, like UK English, and the other languages will be coming later.
But the good news with this, is that once the voice features are supported for a language, everything works - not only voice dialing, but also voice search, etc...
So I guess we just need to be patient.... at least google have already shown us that they are working fast.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Google voice search and the voice dialing within android are 2 different things
The voice dialing in my sgs is powered by the PICO TTS engine that was quite buggy in the eclair and remains buggy in the (beta?) froyo and it is even more unfunctional over bluetooth.
The same engine behaving differently when speaking via BT and when speaking directly to the phone. Even in the standard language
All Google did is install a 3rd party app within the firmware instead of developing a voice engine within the OS.
Or is this Pico app just a temporary thing until google get things done? And where is the article?
Pls enlight me
betoNL said:
Well, best answer till now. 2 years huh? Just that if you talk about vlingo, google voice search, voice dial of the 2.1 and all those apps on the market, you really should have a look at Symbian voice dialing; it looks like more than 2 years ahead.
Btw, Symbian S60 got it right on its first edition with the 5800XM. and that's very impressive for a phone that costs around 200 euros....
Well, but i like the bigger and brighter screen of the sgs. And its nice sound and good working wifi....but that have nothing to do with Android.....
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Ok seriously if you are that in love with symbian and Nokia why did you buy a new phone. one would assume it was because you were tired of your old one and wanted to try something new that's great that you did, but if your this unhappy quit being a fan boy and just return the damned thing already and get another symbian device
And that's what grinds my gears
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Google voice search and the voice dialing within android are 2 different things
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All of the voice actions are going to use the same engine.
I.ex: if you say "Call Joe" or "Navigate to Joe" or "Search for Joe" it's (obviously) the same engine. (but your phone doesn't have this engine yet).
There is a google video showing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGbYVvU0Z5s , and also a couple news around the web. As I said, only US is working now; the other accents and languages will be coming later. Voice actions is not even included in the international versions yet.
Currently, if you talk with a US accent it is working beautifully. But if you use another language or a UK accent it just falls on its face.
Anyway, once we get voice actions working properly in all of the languages Android will be 2 years ahead of Symbian & Co.
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All of the voice actions are going to use the same engine.
I.ex: if you say "Call Joe" or "Navigate to Joe" or "Search for Joe" it's (obviously) the same engine. (but your phone doesn't have this engine yet).
There is a google video showing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGbYVvU0Z5s , and also a couple news around the web. As I said, only US is working now; the other accents and languages will be coming later. Voice actions is not even included in the international versions yet.
Currently, if you talk with a US accent it is working beautifully. But if you use another language or a UK accent it just falls on its face.
Anyway, once we get voice actions working properly in all of the languages Android will be 2 years ahead of Symbian & Co.
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So I was right, 2 different things, both of them not working properly yet.
Firstly, during annoucements of Android 2.2 with a list of improvements, one of them was bluetooth voice dialing and of course they were reffering to the unfunctional or bad working Pico TTs engine; so bluetooth voice dialing is there but doesnt work properly and that's what I mean when I say "disappointing"
We are talking about the active engine, and not about something that will be ready someday maybe...
The whole issue with voice actions is another story and quite strange as well. What was that about accents?
If I use google voice search and I speak english with my brazilian/dutch accent and it understands me completely and never fails. why online search functions work even with my accent and the other functions won't? And for online search in english I was already usingo Vlingo on my old 5800xm almost 2 years ago
Seems to be it uses exactly the same technology of Vlingo or vice-versa, that means another toy thing.
But this thread has nothing to do with future possible solutions, it's about something that was supposed to work properly right now and it doesnt.
But who knows, our friend AllGamer is right; 2 years is not much and this is just a beta version?
Let's wait and see
There must be something android did right for you to have so much time to complain and still sticking with it.
What I care about is that android is getting better almost on a daily basis.
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We are talking about the active engine, and not about something that will be ready someday maybe...
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Google actions is ready and working great. It was released 1 or 2 months ago.
But currently only US English is supported, this is why you don't have it on your Dutch/Brazilian phone.
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The whole issue with voice actions is another story and quite strange as well. What was that about accents?
If I use google voice search and I speak english with my brazilian/dutch accent and it understands me completely and never fails. why online search functions work even with my accent and the other functions won't?
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There's nothing strange here. You are still using the old system that worked poorly and just don't have the new voice actions engine yet, that's all.
As for accents: UK friends of mine are getting 98+% accuracy (even when dictating SMS) when speaking with a US accent. With a UK accent it fails miserably. But this is normal, as UK English isn't supported yet.
betoNL said:
And for online search in english I was already usingo Vlingo on my old 5800xm almost 2 years ago
Seems to be it uses exactly the same technology of Vlingo or vice-versa, that means another toy thing.
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I am not sure if your Vlingo is capable of doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGbYVvU0Z5s , and to me this is not a "toy". This is the future, today. Everything done without key input, with voice commands... this is where we are heading.
Seriously, what we have now in US English is really amazing. Of course it still needs to get ironed out and all of the languages need to get supported. But Google is really moving fast.
kcharng said:
There must be something android did right for you to have so much time to complain and still sticking with it.
What I care about is that android is getting better almost on a daily basis.
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Of course. Are you 100% satisfied? Good for you.
Many things are going good, so, I wont complain about what is not going good? What about fake annoucements? Should users not complain about that? .... Critic is also a form of contribution. You can also see it as feedback; so my sgs will get better almost on a daily basis
It wont harm your android if you'll be always objective....
I complained just once, the rest are discussions, and that's the essence of a forum right?
Be logical, man
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Seriously, what we have now in US English is really amazing. Of course it still needs to get ironed out and all of the languages need to get supported. But Google is really moving fast.
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Again you are talking about the future and I,m talking about now. Are you playing word games?
It was officially announced: Finally voice dialing over bluetooth with Android Froyo 2.2 . Froyo is here, voice dialing over bluetooth can be activated but it's unfunctional...it doesnt work good.
Do you work for Google? So inform it to them.
And I also hope that voice actions will work offline
Cause I only use wifi and no internet in my car.
Proper voice dialing should work offline too
I rest my case
betoNL said:
Again you are talking about the future and I,m talking about now. Are you playing word games?
It was officially announced: Finally voice dialing over bluetooth with Android Froyo 2.2 . Froyo is here, voice dialing over bluetooth can be activated but it's unfunctional...it doesnt work good.
Do you work for Google? So inform it to them.
And I also hope that voice actions will work offline
Cause I only use wifi and no internet in my car.
Proper voice dialing should work offline too
I rest my case
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No. This is not the future. This is today. -> NOW<- and has been working for 1 month already.
For the 3rd time: it works in US English, but you can't install it in the other languages yet. Languages other than US are currently being implemented. FOR THIS REASON: it doesn't work on your Dutch/Brazilian phone, yet.
Of course it works offline (SMS & text dictating, local phone searches & actions) . But everything requiring an internet search (i.ex: google search and maps) will not render any results if you are offline, obviously.
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Seriously, what we have now in US English is really amazing. Of course it still needs to get ironed out and all of the languages need to get supported. But Google is really moving fast.
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That is the major flaw of the Android, it is so US centric (so have beena the most other US based, in the beginning).
It took 10 years from Microsoft to understand that
- there is other languages and alphabets in the World than the US English
- not all people uses 12-hour clock and mm/dd/yyyy date format
It took 10 years from programmers to understand that
- the applications should use the op-system date format, there is no need to take than by themselves
The Android is far from perfect, it is moderate even in basics. It is not 2 years behind, it is 5 years behind. My Android date format is dd/mm/yyyy, yesterday I add the birthday to my contacts, the date format is dd.mm.yyyy, why? That is the most stupid thing among other date mass about.
I hate those stupid US things, but I can live with those (for a while).
Hi I tense to agree with you, android is still a premature system, for instance the network connectivity switch just terrible with sgs compare to my old n97. And the worst thing sgs has a crap gps like n97
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for instance the network connectivity switch just terrible with sgs compare to my old n97.
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I don't know what problem you are having with network connectivity. Even on my HTC Kaiser , which is a 3 years old Windows Mobile 6 phone that was not made for android at all, network switching is working perfectly with Froyo.
yc1437 said:
And the worst thing sgs has a crap gps like n97
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According to the latest tests posted in the gps threads, this issue seems to be fixed in the latest beta firmware (the official release is scheduled for this month). They compared it with the HTC Hero, the Nexus One and the iphone 4. The SGS tracking is now doing as well, and its getting a lock in about 10 seconds. (check the gps poll thread)
Friends, have already heard the complaints about Lags, Music crackling, and bad battery (mainly the screen is responsible).
Besides this I would like to know the following:
- How is the 5MP Camera with dual-LED flash?
Comparable or better than that of HTC Desire or Galaxy S
- The physical QWERTY - Is it fun and really fast to type with it? How's the adjustment to tap the screen to send the message after typing. (normally a scrollball or touch pad would do the job faster).
- 3D gaming - How's it the 3D performance, do all the Android High-End games run smoothly.
-The new email system or software implemented - Does it support Inline message editing of forwarded Emails?
- Can you do a T9 contact search directly from the Desktop? Is there a T9 dialer?
How is the 5MP Camera with dual-LED flash? - just fine
Comparable or better than that of HTC Desire or Galaxy S - not even a valid comparison
- The physical QWERTY - Is it fun and really fast to type with it? How's the adjustment to tap the screen to send the message after typing. (normally a scrollball or touch pad would do the job faster). Awesome keyboard, how is pressing something quicker than touching something?
- 3D gaming - How's it the 3D performance, do all the Android High-End games run smoothly. don't know
-The new email system or software implemented - Does it support Inline message editing of forwarded Emails? - nope
- Can you do a T9 contact search directly from the Desktop? Is there a T9 dialer? no, and yes.
I hated the on screen keyboard of my HTC Desire. What ever HTC did to the keyboard it seems like its even harder to type than with the stock keyboard.
Not making a mistake every sentence is wonderful.
Hi guys,
I'm seriously considering buying this phone. So I thought I could just add up to this post rather than start a new thread asking questions about the features.
I didn happen to notice this thread and sent the same given below as a PM to Jibriel
So let me outline my buying rationale I want a blackberry-ish phone which I can use without a blackberry rate data plans in India. I want this phone to do primarily one thing, sync gtalk and gmail / facebook perfectly. I can take a hit on other functions but not this. I am a noob so one or 2 of my questions will be pretty dumb.
1. Where to buy the phone?
I'm in India. So will it suffice if I buy the phone from amazon wireless with the replacement phone option
wireless.amazon.com/dp/B004AM5AWM (i cannot post links as this is my first post so not providing it as a hyperlink).
Is there any better option available. I know people traveling to and from the US, so shipping within continental US option will do and I dont need a world shipping option.
2. How do I unlock?
So apparently from other posts I see a guy can provide a 8 numerical unlock code to unlock the phone for other GSM carries. So if I buy the phone using option 1, will the same $8 trick work for me.
3. Now for dumb question, I want to know if Gtalk is running in background and if someone sends me an IM then will I be notified of the IM automatically? Or should I refresh the app manually to get latest updates? Same thing for facebook.
I have long commute to work. So this answer will be major influencing factor on my buying decision.
4. How is the call quality? I have some hearing difficulties. But its not bad enough to use a hearing aid. I have heard some issue with call qualities being poor. Is anyone using an unlocked phone with GSM carries experienced any issues? Bad lemons are ones luck, just trying to determine if issue is widespread.
I know my list is long. But I dont want to spend $449 just because I would really like to own it. Any inputs/feedback on the above questions will be greatly appreciated.
Hi guys,
I'm seriously considering buying this phone. So I thought I could just add up to this post rather than start a new thread asking questions about the features.
I didn happen to notice this thread and sent the same given below as a PM to Jibriel
// Sorry didn't see my PM.
So let me outline my buying rationale I want a blackberry-ish phone which I can use without a blackberry rate data plans in India. I want this phone to do primarily one thing, sync gtalk and gmail / facebook perfectly. I can take a hit on other functions but not this. I am a noob so one or 2 of my questions will be pretty dumb.
1. Where to buy the phone?
I'm in India. So will it suffice if I buy the phone from amazon wireless with the replacement phone option
wireless.amazon.com/dp/B004AM5AWM (i cannot post links as this is my first post so not providing it as a hyperlink).
Is there any better option available. I know people traveling to and from the US, so shipping within continental US option will do and I dont need a world shipping option.
// Buy it from Amazon, eBay or anywhere else your gonna get the same phone. Some of the sites are selling it unlocked and some really cheap. I got mine for $611 and happen to see a a few sites selling for less, so do your research carefully.
2. How do I unlock?
So apparently from other posts I see a guy can provide a 8 numerical unlock code to unlock the phone for other GSM carries. So if I buy the phone using option 1, will the same $8 trick work for me.
// Yes the SwiftUnlock guy will give you the code for $8 and he delivers really fast. After that the process of setting up your phone is fairly simple.
3. Now for dumb question, I want to know if Gtalk is running in background and if someone sends me an IM then will I be notified of the IM automatically? Or should I refresh the app manually to get latest updates? Same thing for facebook.
I have long commute to work. So this answer will be major influencing factor on my buying decision.
// Android has evolved significantly and most messaging apps support Push notification. If you aren't aware Facebook now supports Chat & Push notification. GTalk will do the same, but I have removed it as it runs as a service hence draining battery and consuming RAM - I suggest using Fring instead.
4. How is the call quality? I have some hearing difficulties. But its not bad enough to use a hearing aid. I have heard some issue with call qualities being poor. Is anyone using an unlocked phone with GSM carries experienced any issues? Bad lemons are ones luck, just trying to determine if issue is widespread.
// Phone, speaker and speaker phone clarity is far supperior than Blackberry and even the Galaxy S. The camera is also just right for your daily photo shots. Flash is nice and bright. The phone overall is just right out of the box (except the bloatware) which can be removed via Titanium backup. Cell reception and surfing on GPRS is very fast. The touchscreen is very responsive and multi-touch can be compared to that of an iPhone.
The scrolling of web paged is smooth as silk and apps operate really fast.
ITS A MUST BUY COMPARED TO BLACKBERRY?
I know my list is long. But I dont want to spend $449 just because I would really like to own it. Any inputs/feedback on the above questions will be greatly appreciated.
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Thanks a lot for your time Jibreil.
Just one more question. Will the unlock procedure used void warranty? and does motorola offer international warranty for Droid Pro?
I'm not talking about rooting. But just unlocking it to work with GSM carriers in India.
rahulz5 said:
Thanks a lot for your time Jibreil.
Just one more question. Will the unlock procedure used void warranty? and does motorola offer international warranty for Droid Pro?
I'm not talking about rooting. But just unlocking it to work with GSM carriers in India.
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No it doesn't void the Warranty. Besides where are you going to find the support for Verizon phones in India. If something goes wrong, Motorola India is not going to provide any support since the phone isn't officially available here and neither do they have the hardware to support it.
....Unless you have means to send it back to the US.
i know a few ppl who will be travelling to n fro for the next couple of months. So worst case some1 can take it back and return it. So thats why I prefer to buy from amazon if its few $$ more expensive than ebay and other stuff.
but yah i got all the info i to convince me to blow $449
i will get the handset only in 2nd week of jan then i will strt a new thread for the set up procedures
Dude. You can win one on ebay for much less than 450. I saw ended auctions from sellers with very good feedback starting from 375 $$.
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Friends, have already heard the complaints about Lags, Music crackling, and bad battery (mainly the screen is responsible).
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Make sure to also read about the reboot issue, it seems to be very very common. It's like every other Droid Pro owner has it.
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Make sure to also read about the reboot issue, it seems to be very very common. It's like every other Droid Pro owner has it.
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I bought mine and never has a reboot issue till date (knock on wood)
the current one on android is almost unusable, let's just be honest about that first and foremost. Siri, on the other hand looks amazing. From what I understand it is pretty much AI, correct me if I'm wrong though.
the question is, can Google implement AI like in a similar voice command way and not get sued up the ass?
looks like a killer feature and I WANT IT
If you read up on it ....apple did not invent Siri...it was around before..they bought it and implemented it into their OS...the innovators they are
There's an app for android called Vlingo...it does the basics of siri as far as giving u answers "within the app" example: "how many days til" -haloween-
Unlike google, which most of the time when you ask a question it will throw you into your browser and "google" (hehe) it for you...
I'm sure Google will come up with something soon tho...siri seems to be the biggest draw to the new phone. Gotta admit it's pretty damn impressive.
Am I the only one who thinks Siri and Google voice are practically the same thing? I can say to my phone "weather forecast" and within seconds it opens up Google search with my weather as the main thing. Or I can say "convert 34 euros to dollars" and boom it is right there.
I see no difference other than Siri just giving you a "prettier" response. I bet you Siri is using Google underneath to use as its search engine.
By the way, if you think Google voice command is unusable you are probably using it when you have a bad data connection or when on edge. Google voice command uses data connection for some reason, and to run fast on real time you should be on 3g or wifi.
When I have a good data connection, Google Voice command is practically 100 percent reliable, 100 percent accurate, fast and practically instantaneous.
Anyone know why Google voice command requires a fast data connection? I shouldn't need a data connection to say "dial steve." I never understood that.
You have to speak casually. Don't enunciate your words, just speak as though you were talking to a friend. If you usually say runnin' instead of "running," keep doing that. Your omission of that "g" is present in other words as well because it is your regional accent, and trying to change your speech makes it difficult for Google Voice Search to learn how you speak.
This is what makes Siri a little better, because it also continues to employ an older method of trying to interpret each word in American English after it has made an attempt to learn how you speak. It will reference what it thinks YOU are saying, then it checks with what it thinks an American English SPEAKER is saying. Thus, when you speak casually, both should give you equivalent results. When you speak into the phone like there's a Dell CSR on the other line, then Siri should give you better results because–over time–GVS becomes much more reliant on how it thinks you speak.
Moral of the story: Google Voice Search is smart and understands English. You don't have to speak to it like it's 5 or foreign. Speak naturally and consistently with your normal speech.
I've used Google voice for a while. Am I the only one that knows it tunes to your specific accent. It has a built in voice recognition feature that if checked makes the app better (with you) over time with use.
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Get Google Voice actions or Vlingo. It does everything Siri does and more. And it works on every Android phone with Android 2.0 and up (which is 95% of all Androids out there). The Siri on the other hand does NOT work with ANY iPhone out there but the iphone4Sux...
Here is what Forrester analyst Charles Golvin had to say about Siri:
Forrester believes that consumers will be much more slow to adopt this new interface than they did Apple's revolutionary touchscreen of its first iPhone.
If everyone who purchased an iPhone 4S used Siri for most of the interactions it was intended, we would have a cacophony of queries uttered in homes, streets and offices.
Who are you talking to on the phone, grandma asks? Siri! You shout back. Who's she? Wonders grandma. You get the idea. This is no surefire solution; it will take a lot of getting used to at a time when people are still typing on their phones more than speaking into them for anything but voice calls.
Apple bought Siri. Microsoft bought TellMe.
Who cares.
What matters is that Google's Voice Recognitions now lags behind Android and iOS (on a 4S, at least), and people want to know if it will be improved.
God. When will people answer questions instead of going on fanboi rants about how innovative one company or another is. No one cares. They only care about how well their device works.
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Hung0702 said:
You have to speak casually. Don't enunciate your words, just speak as though you were talking to a friend. If you usually say runnin' instead of "running," keep doing that. Your omission of that "g" is present in other words as well because it is your regional accent, and trying to change your speech makes it difficult for Google Voice Search to learn how you speak.
This is what makes Siri a little better, because it also continues to employ an older method of trying to interpret each word in American English after it has made an attempt to learn how you speak. It will reference what it thinks YOU are saying, then it checks with what it thinks an American English SPEAKER is saying. Thus, when you speak casually, both should give you equivalent results. When you speak into the phone like there's a Dell CSR on the other line, then Siri should give you better results because–over time–GVS becomes much more reliant on how it thinks you speak.
Moral of the story: Google Voice Search is smart and understands English. You don't have to speak to it like it's 5 or foreign. Speak naturally and consistently with your normal speech.
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They don't give equivalent results all the time. I have Android (FroYo) and WP7 (Mango). Google's Voice Recognition is behind TellMe (what Mango uses), and if Siri works as well as Apple says it does, it will be better than Microsoft's implementation. From what I've seen, Gingerbread didn't make any huge inroads there and both employ the Cloud for their Voice Recognition services, IIRC. The competition is just catching up and surpassing them in some ways, and the ridiculously good Voice Recognition and GPS accuracy is one of the best things about Mango.
If you haven't used a Mango phone and used the Voice Recognition on it, then you have no decent basis for comparison, TBQH. No one has used Siri yet - at least not anyone on this forum so we have to go on speculation as far as that's concerned.
N8ter said:
God. When will people answer questions instead of going on fanboi rants about how innovative one company or another is. No one cares. They only care about how well their device works.
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Yes, yes, yes....
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Applicatio...le-Speech-Recognition-in-Catchup-Mode-426413/
Google is concerned enough about Siri's potential that is has shifted a key speech recognition engineer, Dave Burke, from the U.K. to join the Android team at Google's Mountain View. Calif. headquarters, according to Mobile India. Burke developed Google's mobile voice search app, among other tools.
With Burke and Mike Cohen, Google's director of speech technology, who created the T9 predictive text technology when he founded Nuance Communications, Google has more than enough engineering forepower to accept the gauntlet Apple has thrown down with Siri.
You know whats funny. With Android you have a Widget right on your homescreen to always tell you the current weather, with clouds/sun animation and all. Apple think siri is so cool "ohh look I can talk to my phone and ask it the weather." Stupid, Android widgets are better, the weather is constantly there, no need to take the extra thirty seconds to talk to your phone and wait for a response.
Google voice action/commands is the same thing as Suri. Nothing special about suri other than a pretty interface.
This is just more unnecessary technology from ANY company. I don't want to ask my phone a question. That's why I have thumbs. Its the same as motion controlled gaming. Totally pointless.
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i just tested the google voice search. i spoke completely normal and asked 'what's the weather like tomorrow' and it brought up monday's forecast (in part of a google search). however, if i ask 'what's on my calendar tomorrow' it googles that, which is useless. asking it to 'play slayer' brought up slayer in my google music beta, but did not start playing it.
so, it's not bad/unusable, but still has a ways to go. as for siri, when i was watching the demo video i couldn't stop laughing when the phone said 'let me think'. wtf? i won't put up with my phone telling me to let it think. it made me think of the invader zim episode where his computer is coughing.
as for needing a good internet connection, i'm sure siri works the same way. there is no way your phone can process voice commands like their servers can, so it offloads the work. natural language processing is pretty intensive.
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i just tested the google voice search. i spoke completely normal and asked 'what's the weather like tomorrow' and it brought up monday's forecast (in part of a google search). however, if i ask 'what's on my calendar tomorrow' it googles that, which is useless. asking it to 'play slayer' brought up slayer in my google music beta, but did not start playing it.
so, it's not bad/unusable, but still has a ways to go. as for siri, when i was watching the demo video i couldn't stop laughing when the phone said 'let me think'. wtf? i won't put up with my phone telling me to let it think. it made me think of the invader zim episode where his computer is coughing.
as for needing a good internet connection, i'm sure siri works the same way. there is no way your phone can process voice commands like their servers can, so it offloads the work. natural language processing is pretty intensive.
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the "let me think" is a loading distraction.
When you start your phone, do you want it to say the VIBRANT, and then the bootscreen, or do you want it to be black during the whole thing and not let you know the phone's even being turned on?
It would be so retarded saying "whats the weather tomorrow" -long motherf'ing pause- "Good."
LOL
SamsungVibrant said:
Am I the only one who thinks Siri and Google voice are practically the same thing? I can say to my phone "weather forecast" and within seconds it opens up Google search with my weather as the main thing. Or I can say "convert 34 euros to dollars" and boom it is right there.
I see no difference other than Siri just giving you a "prettier" response. I bet you Siri is using Google underneath to use as its search engine.
By the way, if you think Google voice command is unusable you are probably using it when you have a bad data connection or when on edge. Google voice command uses data connection for some reason, and to run fast on real time you should be on 3g or wifi.
When I have a good data connection, Google Voice command is practically 100 percent reliable, 100 percent accurate, fast and practically instantaneous.
Anyone know why Google voice command requires a fast data connection? I shouldn't need a data connection to say "dial steve." I never understood that.
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Same here. Never got why the hell it needs data for simple commands.
My MORE than 5 YEARS old pocket pc had a program called voice command and it didn't need any stupid data connection to do anything. And funnily enough, it was/is far more reliable than Google voice. Really frustrating.
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the "let me think" is a loading distraction.
When you start your phone, do you want it to say the VIBRANT, and then the bootscreen, or do you want it to be black during the whole thing and not let you know the phone's even being turned on?
It would be so retarded saying "whats the weather tomorrow" -long motherf'ing pause- "Good."
LOL
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i know the purpose, i just think it's a very bad choice.... 'checking', 'loading', etc. are much better, but really, what it should do is repeat what you said giving you an auditory confirmation that it got it right (if it's going to take a min, otherwise just spit out the answer). anthropomorphization of technology like this is annoying; and possibly even frightening/eerie to some people.
as for the loading, sure the screen could be blank, or it could show what it's doing (like fedora used to do, showing each check and the result). either way, it's not an animated face saying 'yo, bro, i'll have your home screen for you in a minute, i just gotta eat first'.
technology doesn't 'think'. yet.
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i know the purpose, i just think it's a very bad choice.... 'checking', 'loading', etc. are much better, but really, what it should do is repeat what you said giving you an auditory confirmation that it got it right (if it's going to take a min, otherwise just spit out the answer). anthropomorphization of technology like this is annoying; and possibly even frightening/eerie to some people.
as for the loading, sure the screen could be blank, or it could show what it's doing (like fedora used to do, showing each check and the result). either way, it's not an animated face saying 'yo, bro, i'll have your home screen for you in a minute, i just gotta eat first'.
technology doesn't 'think'. yet.
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Sure it does.
When you "think" your brain is basically "searching" something thats already been stored there before and bringing it back.
Google basically does the same thing, you type something, it "thinks" or "searches" for that answer.
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Sure it does.
When you "think" your brain is basically "searching" something thats already been stored there before and bringing it back.
Google basically does the same thing, you type something, it "thinks" or "searches" for that answer.
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I have to disagree with this quite a bit. If all your brain ever did when thinking it so to look back and pre-stored information then there would never be any new discoveries, no new thought, no new ideas and hence void the need for conversation except to give unknown information from one being to the next.
Remembrance could be described as nothing but pulling out old information but the creation of new ideas and thoughts are far more complex than that. Because of this fact, computer does not think. It cannot take information from 2 different streams and come up with a new idea or concept. It cannot add 2 and 2 without us telling it the rules.
As someone that works in IT, I loathe the statement that the computer is "thinking" while it is loading or while the user is waiting on it. It is processing, loading or writing, it does nothing else.
End Rant.
Didn't IBM come up with a new kind of processor that is revolutionary in the sense that it evolves due to environmental stimuli? I don't think they're using anymore transistor like processors, even on the quantum level.
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Didn't IBM come up with a new kind of processor that is revolutionary in the sense that it evolves due to environmental stimuli? I don't think they're using anymore transistor like processors, even on the quantum level.
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someone implemented an artificial neural network in hardware. don't remember who, though.
I used vlingo and t9 keyboard with dragon for about 2 minutes each and then deleted it... like someone else said i went back to thumbs. It's cool but I don't see many using it often once the new wears off.
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Am I the only lonely, lonely person that wishes to be able to talk to Cleverbot?
On the iPhone, if you record a video of any length in any format, including 1080p, you can still send it as an MMS. Granted, it will look grainy and choppy, but it will automatically compress.
The Optimus G will do this as well, with one extra step (agree to edit, then just click save and it will compress and send). This makes the Optimus G the first Android phone with this functionality.
Is there an app that will do this on the Nexus 4? I'm aware of the option to record in MMS quality and I have looked at several video trimming apps. What I'm looking for is an app that actually automatically compresses a recorded video down to the maximum allowed MMS size (~600kb) and lets me send it.
There has to be a way. LG figured it out. I can't believe there's no app out there that does this.
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On the iPhone, if you record a video of any length in any format, including 1080p, you can still send it as an MMS. Granted, it will look grainy and choppy, but it will automatically compress.
The Optimus G will do this as well, with one extra step (agree to edit, then just click save and it will compress and send). This makes the Optimus G the first Android phone with this functionality.
Is there an app that will do this on the Nexus 4? I'm aware of the option to record in MMS quality and I have looked at several video trimming apps. What I'm looking for is an app that actually automatically compresses a recorded video down to the maximum allowed MMS size (~600kb) and lets me send it.
There has to be a way. LG figured it out. I can't believe there's no app out there that does this.
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Unfortunately I'm not here with an answer, just chiming in.
It is baffling that this functionality still isn't present in stock Android.
iPhone users have had this capability for years now. It's somewhat embarrassing, and a major PITA for Android users to have to embark on a multi-step process simply to mms a short video clip to a friend.
Android users usually respond with the following suggestions (many stating that it's 'no big deal' but they're lying to themselves)
- Upload the clip to youtube and share the link
----Too many steps, and I don't want to put every single video clip up on Youtube.
- Use a video editing app to crop/downscale the video
---- Again, to many steps, multiple apps
- Take the video from WITHIN the mms app (which automatically uses a lower video quality that will keep file size down)
---- Unacceptable. I prefer to take all of my videos in HD, and won't sacrifice quality simply to be able to send it straight to someone via MMS
I think a lot of Android users are making a major concession here. The entire text/mms experience on Android is a mess. Group texting with other device users is a nightmare. Conversations splinter off into one-on-one conversations for Android users, requiring third party texting apps to enable group text capabilities. This is one area where I'll openly admit that iOS has Android stomped, and to come to Android's defense on this issue will only result in us having a crappy experience for even longer. /Rant
Sorry, it's late, and I'm a little punchy.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=roman10.media.converter
Forgive me, but this core and important function is something I've never before thought of needing. One play search seemed to sort it. While we're on the subject, I recently had to use an iPad for recording interviews, and upload them via drop box. The auto 1080p format then took nearly forever to upload. It took a paid app to lower the resolution and a variety of rather frustrating steps to upload to db. I can't believe apple have survived with all this unacceptability! (Yeah, most of these rants are quite pointless)
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kboya said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=roman10.media.converter
Forgive me, but this core and important function is something I've never before thought of needing. One play search seemed to sort it. While we're on the subject, I recently had to use an iPad for recording interviews, and upload them via drop box. The auto 1080p format then took nearly forever to upload. It took a paid app to lower the resolution and a variety of rather frustrating steps to upload to db. I can't believe apple have survived with all this unacceptability! (Yeah, most of these rants are quite pointless)
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A media converter is not a solution for this issue.
We are talkjng about seamless and timely communication, not just the capability to edit video (quality).
Yoir response makes me wonder if you've ever communicated with anybody via text/mms.
Time is of the essence. To be able to shoot a 30 second video, pop it straight in to an mms exchange and hit send is a a major convenience, and one that should be ubiquitous in the mobile arena by now.
Your dropbox scenario is not even in the same vein as this issue. This an issue of major inconvenience in the way that many people communicate regularly.
For some perspective on how prevslebt your quandry is in comparison, consider thst there are aboit 100m Dropbox users in the world but there are about 4.1B text messages sent EVERY DAY just in the USA...
So your issue is certainly not as prevalent as one that impscts sms/mms negatively. Dropbox is hardly your only option for achieving your end goal in your example, whereas we are stuck with an antiqued mms/sms platform on Android.
I love android, which is why I just picked up a Galaxy Note 2, but I really wish people would stop downplaying glaring flaws such as this.
Certainly we can jump through a couple of apps and juggle a couple of files to ultimately send an mms video, but is clunky and slow, and if you're on the move, its just not practical.
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Hah. Archa1c, This issue, were it so disabling, would surely be no1 topic on every board. I take your point, but feel you are overstating it, more so than anyone who underplays it.
If you wish to make thinly veiled insults, fine. Your response makes me me wonder if
1. You've ever used email(much larger file sizes, and 144.8 billion a day)
2. You understand the notion of a smartphone as a platform on which functionality may be added in highly specialised and personally tailored ways.
The slogan 'there's an app for that' springs to mind. Isn't this the point? Not to have everything fixed and there (and limited), but to be able to add functionality as your need takes you. Maybe you could build an app that does what you wish it to do, or petition a dev to build it for you.
Lastly, as the skilled communicator that you clearly are (and in so many media) need you be quite so abrasive?
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kboya said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=roman10.media.converter
Forgive me, but this core and important function is something I've never before thought of needing. One play search seemed to sort it. While we're on the subject, I recently had to use an iPad for recording interviews, and upload them via drop box. The auto 1080p format then took nearly forever to upload. It took a paid app to lower the resolution and a variety of rather frustrating steps to upload to db. I can't believe apple have survived with all this unacceptability! (Yeah, most of these rants are quite pointless)
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Yeah, that app doesn't work. I have tried it, along with every other app that claims to have the function.
Up until my Optimus G, no other phone, other than iPhone could do this seamlessly. I can't believe there still isn't an app that can duplicate this functionality. I can't be the only one who desires this. I switched back to an iPhone several times just to get this functionality back.
Sometimes, it's the simple things that matter.
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Hah. Archa1c, This issue, were it so disabling, would surely be no1 topic on every board. I take your point, but feel you are overstating it, more so than anyone who underplays it.
If you wish to make thinly veiled insults, fine. Your response makes me me wonder if
1. You've ever used email(much larger file sizes, and 144.8 billion a day)
2. You understand the notion of a smartphone as a platform on which functionality may be added in highly specialised and personally tailored ways.
The slogan 'there's an app for that' springs to mind. Isn't this the point? Not to have everything fixed and there (and limited), but to be able to add functionality as your need takes you. Maybe you could build an app that does what you wish it to do, or petition a dev to build it for you.
Lastly, as the skilled communicator that you clearly are (and in so many media) need you be quite so abrasive?
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Sorry for coming off as abrasive, but your patronizing and condescending tone was off-putting.
Clearly we hold this issue at quite different levels of priority. I think that must be attributed to us communicating with friends in very different ways.
The simplicity and functionality that some Android hardware device manufacturers (and Apple) have decided to put into their messaging code in the form of easy media sharing via MMS shows that there is clearly demand for it.
Again you've proposed an insufficient alternative with email. Every phone supports SMS, but many people do not use email regularly on their phones. I cannot be expected to know what the capabilities are of each recipient.
You don't need to come to Android's defense or sell me on the OS. I'm already a multi-device user and I love it, but thst doesn't mean I should just accept the bad with the good.
You also don't have to tell me about iOS' shortcomings. I know. That's why I have my Note 2 and Galaxy Tab.
I maintain that SMS and MMS on Android is embarrassingly primitive compared to the competition. And unfortunately there IS NOT 'an app for that'.
With love, your brother in Android.
- Archa1c
PS- what's my best option for good keyboard Autocorrect while maintaining the stock Samsung keyboard? (I prefer this keyboard to swiftkey's)
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archa1c said:
Sorry for coming off as abrasive, but your patronizing and condescending tone was off-putting.
Clearly we hold this issue at quite different levels of priority. I think that must be attributed to us communicating with friends in very different ways.
The simplicity and functionality that some Android hardware device manufacturers (and Apple) have decided to put into their messaging code in the form of easy media sharing via MMS shows that there is clearly demand for it.
Again you've proposed an insufficient alternative with email. Every phone supports SMS, but many people do not use email regularly on their phones. I cannot be expected to know what the capabilities are of each recipient.
You don't need to come to Android's defense or sell me on the OS. I'm already a multi-device user and I love it, but thst doesn't mean I should just accept the bad with the good.
You also don't have to tell me about iOS' shortcomings. I know. That's why I have my Note 2 and Galaxy Tab.
I maintain that SMS and MMS on Android is embarrassingly primitive compared to the competition. And unfortunately there IS NOT 'an app for that'.
With love, your brother in Android.
- Archa1c
PS- what's my best option for good keyboard Autocorrect while maintaining the stock Samsung keyboard? (I prefer this keyboard to swiftkey's)
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I actually find Samsung's keyboard to be slightly laggy (and don't get me started on the auto correction). I recommend Swiftkey 3, or the stock new Jelly Bean keyboard on the play store. The stock Jelly Bean is actually very good, though you'll probably miss the numbers row.
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greyhulk said:
I actually find Samsung's keyboard to be slightly laggy (and don't get me started on the auto correction). I recommend Swiftkey 3, or the stock new Jelly Bean keyboard on the play store. The stock Jelly Bean is actually very good, though you'll probably miss the numbers row.
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The numbers row!
Thats exactly what im trying to maintain while also having good Autocorrect. The blue word suggestions are spot-on, but I wish it would just select them rather than requiring me to tap the suggested word... Maybe if I go back and edit my "typing style"?...
Good talk.
-Sent from my Galaxy Note 2 using only ONE HAND! (Just kidding! that's impossible.)
archa1c said:
Unfortunately I'm not here with an answer, just chiming in.
It is baffling that this functionality still isn't present in stock Android.
iPhone users have had this capability for years now. It's somewhat embarrassing, and a major PITA for Android users to have to embark on a multi-step process simply to mms a short video clip to a friend.
Android users usually respond with the following suggestions (many stating that it's 'no big deal' but they're lying to themselves)
- Upload the clip to youtube and share the link
----Too many steps, and I don't want to put every single video clip up on Youtube.
- Use a video editing app to crop/downscale the video
---- Again, to many steps, multiple apps
- Take the video from WITHIN the mms app (which automatically uses a lower video quality that will keep file size down)
---- Unacceptable. I prefer to take all of my videos in HD, and won't sacrifice quality simply to be able to send it straight to someone via MMS
I think a lot of Android users are making a major concession here. The entire text/mms experience on Android is a mess. Group texting with other device users is a nightmare. Conversations splinter off into one-on-one conversations for Android users, requiring third party texting apps to enable group text capabilities. This is one area where I'll openly admit that iOS has Android stomped, and to come to Android's defense on this issue will only result in us having a crappy experience for even longer. /Rant
Sorry, it's late, and I'm a little punchy.
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I agree completely. Coming from an iPhone to a Galaxy Note II the lack of this functionality baffles me. Have you found any better solutions yet? Do any of the custom ROMs add this feature?
archa1c said:
Sorry for coming off as abrasive, but your patronizing and condescending tone was off-putting.
Clearly we hold this issue at quite different levels of priority. I think that must be attributed to us communicating with friends in very different ways.
The simplicity and functionality that some Android hardware device manufacturers (and Apple) have decided to put into their messaging code in the form of easy media sharing via MMS shows that there is clearly demand for it.
Again you've proposed an insufficient alternative with email. Every phone supports SMS, but many people do not use email regularly on their phones. I cannot be expected to know what the capabilities are of each recipient.
You don't need to come to Android's defense or sell me on the OS. I'm already a multi-device user and I love it, but thst doesn't mean I should just accept the bad with the good.
You also don't have to tell me about iOS' shortcomings. I know. That's why I have my Note 2 and Galaxy Tab.
I maintain that SMS and MMS on Android is embarrassingly primitive compared to the competition. And unfortunately there IS NOT 'an app for that'.
With love, your brother in Android.
- Archa1c
PS- what's my best option for good keyboard Autocorrect while maintaining the stock Samsung keyboard? (I prefer this keyboard to swiftkey's)
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You're wrong if you read the original post 1080p video recording isn't available to every phone that supports SMS. Only high end smart phones that also have email capabilities support this.
Phone : Nexus 4 /Rom : cataclysm / Kernel : Stock.
I as well recently switched from an iPhone to an Android device and was amazed to find out that I no longer have the ability to send a video over mms. I would have thought that there was an app for that but have not found one to date. IOS does this as seamless as sending a photo over mms, Why cant android do the same?
Yeah I know this is really old but is there a fix yet? Just coming from ios I had no idea this was an issue. What a huge issue if it's.
Hello,
since two or three days ago, from time to time I get a notification saying that Yota Reader is a harmful app (or something like that, since the my phone isn't configured in English) and that it could be collecting and sending data to track my activities.
Does anybody knows how serious is that claim? Can I just ignore that message? I use that app to read ebooks in the always-on display and I don't think there's an alternative.
I took a couple screenshots as a proof.
I receive similar messages about "book" and i think "book library"
Same here today
belive that is only for Andorid 6
YotaDevices officially declared that it can be safely ignored, because they are facing some incompatibility issues with their apps and Google. -> OFFICIAL YotaDevices Vkontakte page
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belive that is only for Andorid 6
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Also in Android 5 (lollipop)
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I get the same message, deactivated now. But i still can use the app.
I receive alert for them. I deactivated the app.
Now i'm using FBREADER, it is ok on the epd screen
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YotaDevices officially declared that it can be safely ignored, because they are facing some incompatibility issues with their apps and Google. -> OFFICIAL YotaDevices Vkontakte page
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LMAO what does it matter what the manufacturer officially declares? It's an unknown Russian company. If it's spyware that they put there knowingly, what else do you think they could possibly say other than "it's cool guys, nothing to see here"?
I'll trust the Android anti-malware, thank you. If it's a false alarm, that's fine. But if it isn't... I'm not taking chances.
To be honest, this was my biggest fear about the phone with the whole fishy Russian-Chinese background, crazy low prices, and here we go, malware alert. Great.
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LMAO....
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Sure, everyone make their conclusions. For me, the fact that companies are Russian, Chinese, American, French, I don't care because it's just where they are from.
I'm the first who wants a SailfishOS everywhere, especially on my Yotaphone. But for know, we have to trust the companies who produce what we use in our everyday life. Microsoft, Google, Internet providers and so on. YotaDevices is a company as others are.
The dangerous software check in our phones has been developed by Google, for example.
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Sure, everyone make their conclusions. For me, the fact that companies are Russian, Chinese, American, French, I don't care because it's just where they are from.
I'm the first who wants a SailfishOS everywhere, especially on my Yotaphone. But for know, we have to trust the companies who produce what we use in our everyday life. Microsoft, Google, Internet providers and so on. YotaDevices is a company as others are.
The dangerous software check in our phones has been developed by Google, for example.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not fundamentally biased against Russian products, and it didn't discourage me from buying the phone. But if a dangerous software alert comes up, I don't give them the benefit of the doubt. It's hard enough to trust any manufacturer nowadays, and it's especially true for the smaller ones with little to lose. It's just common sense.
So all I wanted to do is encourage everyone to stay on the safe side and not ignore the warning just because Yota say so. Only turn the affected software back on if the warnings are resolved.
Sure, I'll blindly trust Google, because they haven't done anything fishy, ever. Specially not in their EULAs and privacy agreements. I'll have them record my voice, habits and location history, and I will surely believe a dangerous app alert, no matter if I'm given the factual issues for it or not.
I recived also but I desactivated, hope is a false positive.
I disabled them but YotaReader is still working fine.