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htc hero worth the cash?

hey,
I'm currently using lg eve and i'm really interested by htc sense UI and I was wondering is it worth buying since the processor is only 528 MHz plus is the multi touch on the hero similar to the iphone?
-someone might have asked this same question i couldn't find it-(lazy)

lol, i wouldnt have the nexus one ( 1 Ghz) if i could. I love the hero so much, its perfect haha. well, with an update coming in mid february, it will hopefully be perfect;p
id say go for it
and it has capacitive touch screen, so its basically the same sensitivity as the ipodtouch/iphone.
and in browser, 2 finger pinch to zoom, is "almost" as smooth as in the iphone...
if your deciding between iphone/hero... go with the hero, multitasking pwns

No you should get the HTC Legend which is the 2nd gen hero
You can find it here
http://pdadb.net/
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2123&c=htc_legend

Absolutely!
Paid fourhundred euros for my first one which I lost The next day I bought another one for 350.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5392845#post5392845
The sense UI doesn't work for me. I don't need 7 homescreens and it slows my phone down. Pleeaase don't compare it to the iPawn. they're two completely different things. but I should tell you that multitouch is enabled by HTC it soesn't work natively in android 1.5, it only works in the browser and in albums
edit: but after the update to 2.0 it will support multitouch!

in my opinion, no its not worth the money i paid, however i have bought one, and will keep it for a while.
you'd be far better off getting a G1 and flashing it to the latest 2.1 rom.

warsng said:
in my opinion, no its not worth the money i paid, however i have bought one, and will keep it for a while.
you'd be far better off getting a G1 and flashing it to the latest 2.1 rom.
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The G1 is indeed a very nice device my father owns one, I find it a little bit too big, but the sliding keyboard is very, very nice!!

I bought mine, I have to say this phone is awesome! You won't regret it after purchasing it.

finaly decided
well, guys I'm getting the hero tomorrow and thanks for the replies, it really made a difference

I love my hero too... it the best phone i ever had!!
side question to all...
I have loveD each of my phone, when i got it.
Every time we get a new phone, it is an upgrade.
so each time.. it would be for a better phone.
so.. would we not love each new phone.. THE BEST!
lol

ditched lg eve
well, guys i finaly got my hero today and i can't stop playing with it, it's has more potential than my eve.

htc fan89 said:
well, guys i finaly got my hero today and i can't stop playing with it, it's has more potential than my eve.
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Nice one!!
So what do you think about Sense?

before i used to think htc sense made windows mobile more friendly, but after seeing htc sense on android it was mind blowing, its like best of both worlds

Should i buy Hero or not?!

Hi,
im in need of a new smartphone, and i have been thinking of buying the Hero since it costs somewhat cheap and almost all the reviews said that its a really good phone, moreover, it looks good.
but some say that its a bit old, and that new phones are really close to get released so i better wait a bit more and get the new ones.
is it a bad/late time to buy a Hero? what do u think of the phone in general? are there enough apps (compared to the iphone)?
or should i want more time and get the new ones? if yes, then is tehre an idea of how much they gonna cost? cuz im not willing to spend much on a phone.
or should i forget all this and just get an IPhone 3G (not the 3gs cuz it costs a lot)?!?!
any help would be very appreciated.
Thanks.

about the iphone... that really is up to u and your personal comfort in a little tinkering with the OS. If you are scared and want things set for u and comfined to what they think it good for u.. then iphone is a good device.
I love my hero and it is great! The Android OS is GREAT and lets the owner more control of what he wants his phone to do.
Yes, it is old tech, but it can handles itself very well. It's OS is scheduled to be upgraded from 1.5 to 2.1 in Q2 (maybe at end of March). This new OS will refresh its abililties.
If you can wait a few months for a new phone...
I would! New phones are scheduled to drop, and what carrier you use will depend on which phone u can get. My guess on the new prices will be $180 -$250. But on the flip side, currently the Hero is $80 with new 2 yr contract.
Again, I love my hero/android...best phone I have ever owned. Most users should be fine with the Hero's abilities.
but I will be looking to upgrade in fall, to new android phone, because I love tech toys.
Hoped i helped.. a little

I got my Hero about 3 weeks ago. Cost me £10 on a 2 year contract with Orange UK.
I considered waiting for the new phones to drop, but after reading about all the problems the Nexus One seems to be having, I decided that a more "mature" handset would be best. Also, any new phone would cost considerably more at launch. If I decide to upgrade the handset in 12 months (although I don't think I will), I can just buy a new one knowing that I haven't spent much on the Hero.
As for the Hero itself I love it! Sure, it could be a little faster or have more RAM, but I'd say that about whatever device I had. I can honestly say that the Hero has changed the way I do many things... from emails, Facebook & Twitter to ebook reading & geo-logging. The Android Market is great, with many great free apps (e.g. Astrid, Listen, etc)
Obviously the choice is yours, but for cost & functionality, I'd recommend the Hero to anyone!
Cheers.

htc hero
I got my HTC Hero yesterday on contract with three uk for £28 per month for 750 mins, unlimited text and internet .... the phone is superb .. it is very easy to set up .. emails come straight to your phone (I was told that 3 email push was available but its not as its not supported but the inbuilt email client is superb) the market place has loads of stuff and the phone is fast and doesnt lag even though ive loads on the screens ....
i looked at the iphone also but pound for pound the hero is best for money and to be honest you will get most apps on the hero ..... and good thing is 90% are free unlike iphone
I had debated to wait for the next htc that 3 uk are getting however the chaps told me its like a brick and thats one thing the hero isnt
highly recomend it !!!

The Hero has a great amount of RAM compared to other android smartphones, I sold my iPhone, and purchased a used (practically new) hero from two chinese foreign exchange students for only $250!
Honestly, with MrBang's proformance ROM, I am a witness to speeds which I thought were't possible on anything but a Nexus One. My phone is snappy and it's speed is comparable to that of an iPhone 3GS.
Not to mention how easy it is to overclock it to 528Mhz (iPhone 3GS runs at 600Mhz)
Just download the widget from the market!
I hope that whatever decision you make, you're happy with what you choose

If you want a phone that will be taken care of, updated timely and frequently, and so forth, get a Nexus One.
If you want a phone that has already been all but abandoned by HTC, with bugs still looming from when it was released, then get a Hero.
It's a nice phone and I have one myself, but really, I think the best phone right now is the Nexus One, since it is supported directly by Google, as opposed to just another phone that HTC is tweaking slightly and throwing down the assembly line.

izmar said:
The Hero has a great amount of RAM compared to other android smartphones, I sold my iPhone, and purchased a used (practically new) hero from two chinese foreign exchange students for only $250!
Honestly, with MrBang's proformance ROM, I am a witness to speeds which I thought were't possible on anything but a Nexus One. My phone is snappy and it's speed is comparable to that of an iPhone 3GS.
Not to mention how easy it is to overclock it to 528Mhz (iPhone 3GS runs at 600Mhz)
Just download the widget from the market!
I hope that whatever decision you make, you're happy with what you choose
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Iphone 3GS runs at 800mhz AND it's using a far more powerful cpu/gpu, not sure what you're trying to compare.
Hero is kinda outdated, I'd wait for the Legend.

Haha, funny you mention it cause Legend will also be rather outdated hardware wise. Rather go for the Desire.

That's what I'm trying to say. HTC is throwing slightly different hardware into slightly different cases and selling it. They don't appear to be trying to innovate at all. Both of these claims are supported by the fact that their LATEST AND GREATEST is just a Hero redux.
Honestly, the Android phone to have right now is the Nexus One/Desire. Even though the N1 is manufactured by HTC, it is supported by Google. That means it will likely be the first device to get every upgrade until Google decides otherwise. It also has significantly better hardware than the HTC branded LATEST AND GREATEST (i.e. HTC Legend).

I would not go the Hero route at all if I was buying now.
I have a Hero and HTC are not doing the current users (mugs) any favours by cynically stalling the 2.1 roll out.
Nexus One is the best choice for a new Androider. For me though, I will avoid HTC where possible as a result of this Hero 2.1 debacle. I have owned HTC mobiles for many years but this current level of customer contempt is the Kaiser 3D qualcomm issue all over again

cbailey said:
I would not go the Hero route at all if I was buying now.
I have a Hero and HTC are not doing the current users (mugs) any favours by cynically stalling the 2.1 roll out.
Nexus One is the best choice for a new Androider. For me though, I will avoid HTC where possible as a result of this Hero 2.1 debacle. I have owned HTC mobiles for many years but this current level of customer contempt is the Kaiser 3D qualcomm issue all over again
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I vehemently agree with this.

vd3 said:
It also has significantly better hardware than the HTC branded LATEST AND GREATEST (i.e. HTC Legend).
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Errhhh - the latest and greatest HTC branded Android phone is the Desire, which is essentially the same as the N1.
Whilst Hero was HTC's top of the range Android phone when it was released, the Legend never will be.
Regards,
Dave

I love this phone regardless of how old it is. I just got myself a new contract with T-mobile on one of these. Brilliant.

foxmeister said:
Errhhh - the latest and greatest HTC branded Android phone is the Desire, which is essentially the same as the N1.
Whilst Hero was HTC's top of the range Android phone when it was released, the Legend never will be.
Regards,
Dave
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You're right. I edited my post but forgot to get everything. I still think it is safe to assume that the N1 will still be updated more frequently (depending on how the hierarchy is setup now between Google and HTC for the N1).

I have my HTC Hero since 1 week and a half ago. I must say that it hasn't dissappointed me even though i expected A LOT from it. I came from an HTC Touch and the change is incredible. I bought it "2d hand", i say it between quotes because the seller had open it just to see how it was. I spent 130€ + 11€ for network unlocking. The advantage? I'm not tied to any company. I don't have the last technology, neither the best phone, but i'm pretty happy with what I have. The relation between the money I spent, and the company freedom, doesn't have price
But I have to say aswell, that if you have money for a Nexus One, go for it. If not, i highly recommend you the Hero.

I suggest going with either Nexus 1, or any of the new HTC phones coming out excluding Legend. I'm not dissing HTC or anything, but their delayed response to any updates on the HTC Hero, just...Dissapoints me. If you can't afford the newer models, then HTC Hero is still a good choice, all because of XDA you can still test out Android 2.1.

We need to know your budget really before saying "yes you should buy" or "no you shoudn't", if you could pick up a cheap hero, and don't mind getting your hands a little dirty, then by all means go for it and put a hacked 2.1 ROM on, or wait for the HTC release.
Failing that, and if you are a little more flush, then get an N1.

Need some G1 motivation!

Hey guys i need some motivation here.
Im really starting to hate my G1, there really is nothing wrong with it, i just feel like im living in the stone age. Im stuck running 1.6 roms in general because they are the only ones that seem to work 100% and are actually fast and meet my standards.
However these days 1.6 is ancient technology, and the G1 cant seem to handle any improvement, anytime i try an eclair rom its slow as hell and has the lack of drivers so its all hackjobs trying to get everything to work right, the hardware is EXTREMELY outdated, even though its only a year+ old things have progressed massively since then.
It wouldnt suprise me if they discontinue the G1 in favor of the new Mytouch Slide as that would seem to be the natural progression of things, so then i was looking the other day at Verizon and here they are with the Droid Incredible with a spec sheet made of gold
Why should i keep my G1, honestly? Its crippled to 1.6 based roms if you want 100% full functionality, and if you want anything more then that you rely on hackjobs to get everything running right and sacrifice a good amount of speed, when you can just go buy a new phone that comes 100% out of the box with a 2.1 rom and it will run it great all day long with no issues and everything working.
What happens after 2.1? What happens when 2.2 or 2.4 or whatever comes after that?? Our G1s can barely handle 2.01 much less anything that may come after eclair, im just looking at my G1 like an ancient relic with outdated hardware and need some advice, to keep or to leave.

The G1 is an older phone with hardware that was decent when it was released, but has been surpassed by newer technology. That's all there is to it. It's still a good, fun phone.
You have to think of it as you think of any other technology though. Buy a high end computer and in a year it's equivalent to the lowest of the low. If you bought a Mustang GT a year ago, you'd probably be disappointed to see that it's similar to the new V6 Mustang's. The same goes with ALL phones. You should be glad that the phone's still getting love from developers and nearly all apps and games are compatible with it.
I don't need 2.0/2.1 or any future updates to keep me content with the phone. If I start hating it or feel an extreme need for something better by the time my upgrade comes around, I'm most likely going for another Android device. Maybe you should too if you're just not feeling the G1 anymore.

Super D is the fastest ROM I've used on the G1, by far. it's fast enough for my uses. If it's too slow for you, you need to upgrade. Me, I'm sticking with the G1 for a while, because the Nexus is too expensive, and nothing else appeals to me. Except an iPhone running Android ... but that one's still in progress ...

cyan has a 2.1 rom with hardware acceleration just around the corner. how does multiple google accounts, live wallpapers, fully working drivers and the usual cyan tweaks sound?
Sent from my T-Mobile G1 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

whered you hear that from?

Joe92T said:
whered you hear that from?
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He mentioned it on twitter...

If all you want is a fast, mainstream phone ... get an iphone. The G1 is pure freedom from all the BS youll deal with using something else.
If you're at the point where you need someone else to convince you to stick with the G1, well, i think you have your answer already.
meh.

I have a G1 with a 1.6 rom that has Eclair bits in it. Maybe that's how you need to look at it: what parts of 2.1 is really important for you? Multitouch on browser, maps? Plenty of 1.6 roms have it. I personally have no problems staying with 1.6 since all the necessary items from 2.1 is already ported to the rom, so I'm not really missing out on all the good stuff.
The CSDI roms in all honesty have been very fast and stable. I know I'll keep my G1 for at least another year until Tmo gets some decent phones (N1 is nice, but I'm holding out.) When 2.2 comes out I'm sure the devs will port bits and pieces to the G1 and keeps us G1 owners happy.
If you're truly not liking it anymore, then I would go and get a different phone. There's nothing wrong with that.

You should keep the G1 because it is honestly the best overall device that I have used that has a keyboard. I switched from the G1 to the N1 and then to a BlackBerry because I realized how much I needed a keyboard for typing emails and whatnot. The G1 seems to offer everything that I wanted: Android, keyboard, touchscreen, and most of all, customization. The only major downside to the G1 for me was the lack of a 3.5mm headphone jack. I would say the successor to the G1 would be the Droid, but it's not a GSM phone so I can't really use it.

sevuth said:
If all you want is a fast, mainstream phone ... get an iphone. The G1 is pure freedom from all the BS youll deal with using something else.
If you're at the point where you need someone else to convince you to stick with the G1, well, i think you have your answer already.
meh.
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You, get off the forum.
Yeah some secret eclair roms coming out with massive speed enhanced roms apparently. Just wait man, the future is near for us (eh no shet)
androidlicious said:
You should keep the G1 because it is honestly the best overall device that I have used that has a keyboard. I switched from the G1 to the N1 and then to a BlackBerry because I realized how much I needed a keyboard for typing emails and whatnot. The G1 seems to offer everything that I wanted: Android, keyboard, touchscreen, and most of all, customization. The only major downside to the G1 for me was the lack of a 3.5mm headphone jack. I would say the successor to the G1 would be the Droid, but it's not a GSM phone so I can't really use it.
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There's a gsm version of the droid dude :\

protomanez said:
There's a gsm version of the droid dude :\
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I know... but last I checked the Milestone doesn't work on 3G for my carrier, but I'm not sure on that.

Broken hero, buy a new hero or desire?

My hero is broken and i cannot make up my mind about what to do.
should i get a new hero or switch to a desire?
I started to read in the desire forum and clearly they are having problems with this usb brick.
It also seems like the custom rom development for desire barely exists.
Im really happy with my hero running very smooth, even smoother than my friends desire in some gui animations but the snapdragon does its thing when it comes to calculation..
add to the calculation that i can get a hero for roughly half the price.
help me out here!

Hmmmm,.... Well I dont think the Desire is worth twice the amount of a Hero,... But if it had a hardware keyboard I'd be tempted.
If I was you,... I'd get the cheapest thing available, i'd even consider a Magic,... Then wait for the Vision,... But again, thats cos I really want a keyboard, and it could be 6 months or more for that to drop.
If you wont be upgrading again for a while i'd get a Desire, and custom ROMs will get better.
Hmmmmm,.... Its a hard one.... Sorry, no help whatsoever.

have you considered a legend? u will still get the nice htc styling (infact in my opinion the legend is best looking android phone) but also 2.1 android as default - htc will no doult upgrade legend to 2.2 (even if it takes 6months)
the legend is alot faster then the hero (not as fast of the desire mind but still)
it seems a good middle ground choice for you!

the legend is ok i guess, but its almost as expencive as the desire, and then id rather go for snapdragon and oled
a friend of mine has the legend and i dont really like the color reproduction..
and with my current rom to the hero its less sluggish than desire so i doubt legend could beat that. but on the other hand i dont know anything about legen custom development..

I just bought a Desire and am selling me Hero to finance it, well i'm going to use my Desire for a week and see if i like it or if i miss my Hero, as you said the dev scene on the Desire (right now) isn't a patch on the Hero!
I am also concerned about the number of Desire's that are being bricked whilst being rooted and as such won't be rooting mine until they find out why it's happening, tis a bit expensive to turn into a paper weight and if i can't root might stay with Hero because i love ROM flashing . I do realise that they may never find out why though

the usb brick is my biggest concern..
the custom dev will appear i guess in time but im also worried about HTC, how long will they delay froyo for example?
we all have bad experience from HTC with the 2.1 update for hero..
i could buy a cheap hero now and buy the next flagship from HTC ( WITHOUT HARDWARE KEYBOARD )

If you want to save money the buy another hero.
Otherwise not another htc phone.

Himcor said:
the usb brick is my biggest concern..
the custom dev will appear i guess in time but im also worried about HTC, how long will they delay froyo for example?
we all have bad experience from HTC with the 2.1 update for hero..
i could buy a cheap hero now and buy the next flagship from HTC ( WITHOUT HARDWARE KEYBOARD )
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Perhaps ask dev's like Paul @ Modaco, Nathan @ VillainRom about their thoughts on the bricking subject? (I'm sure they both have Desire's + Behnaam is getting one too)
On the Froyo for Desire it's *due* end of June..
And the Desire with hardware keyboard looks [email protected]$$

volpe71 said:
If you want to save money the buy another hero.
Otherwise not another htc phone.
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Wanted a Nexus One myself but they are £450+ and i paid just over £260 for my Desire...

MojUk said:
Wanted a Nexus One myself but they are £450+ and i paid just over £260 for my Desire...
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Huh? HOW? Where?... I initially paid £230 for my Hero 4-5 months ago, fortunately it had 2 TINY chips on (less than 1mm each), so got £30 back again.

Milestone...

+1 other
nexus one.

[Q] [4 July] [DISC] Is there any phone as sweet as the HD2?

Well my Hermes is getting a little old and I'm shopping for a new phone. The HD2 seems extremely awesome. I love that I could always fall back to WM6.5 if WP7 and Android don't suit me. It seems this phone is also quite common so with a little patience I should be able to find one at a price I want to pay. The only thing that I'm not crazy about it the lack of a hard keyboard. I see that there is a Toshiba K01/IS02 with a hard keyboard that also has a capacitive screen even though it shipped with WM6.5 but it seems to be a rare and undeveloped phone.
Can anyone tell me if there are any other WM6.5/WP7 phones besides the HD2?

I think no atm,

I too was not keen on no hardware keyboard but ended up getting a T-Mob HD2 because the price was right.
All I can say is typing on screen is far faster than any HTC hardware keyboard I have tried & you can use a mini hardware keyboard via BlueTooth if required.
All in all the lack of hardware keyboard was a step forward for my typing experience ...

For the criteria you are asking HD2 is the best. This is the best dual OS phone out there. And I agree with previous post that screen keyboard is way better. My prevois phone was TyTyn II but I think I like sceen keyboard more than hard keyboard. It just takes a little time to get use to typing on the screen. I am really happy with HD2 and I can not think of the better phone for now that does not cost more than 300 euro and have such features. But the choice is yours. Good luck.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA Premium App

Wait a sec. No video out? What the dip?

evilwise said:
Wait a sec. No video out? What the dip?
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Indeed that was a big mistake from HTC ... The flagship model at the time with no video out ! between that & the selected battery capacity some HTC designers & market researchers should of been shot ...

Well I'm not sure about w7 but the HTC touch pro 2 can run Android & w6.5..(a bit laggy though & very outdated) & also has tv out I believe. It's been sometime since I've owed it so I can't remember. I text (up 2) 4000 texts each month & Im coming from the mytouch slide which has a keyboard....I have 2 say I really dont miss it. I will admit it took me a good few days b4 I could text as fast as any of my old phones that had a keyboard.
Personally I would suggest to buy a phone that has good development that way you won't be left in the dark. Going from the tp2 to the mytouch was horrible bc I had a phone that was well developed & then went 2 a phone that was slim pickins 2 mod it.
Sent from my Desire-HTC HD2 using XDA App

The Desire HD is sort of like an upgraded HD2. I hear that a lot of devs are also working on it.

I was just like the OP, really excited that I could fall back on to WM6.5 if I didn't like Android or WP7. Then I moved to Android and never looked back.
I do admit the HD2 is a beastly device, I can't think of any other device that is nearly as hackable... the HD2 runs WM6.5, WP7 and Android all basically as if those were all natively supported.
Still though, it will soon be 2 whole years since the HD2 was announced. I personally had one for 18 months before buying a Galaxy SII. The HD2 looks pretty modern on paper... 4.3" screen, Snapdragon processor... but next to a truly modern phone like the GSII the HD2 looks clearly dated.
I put WP7 on the HD2 but it's not really my cup of tea. I also tried going back to WM6.5 but after a year with Android I found it laughably slow and clunky. So I may end up selling the HD2, though it would be by far the hardest device I've ever parted with.
I don't really know what to tell the OP. The HD2 is a hell of a phone and can run the newest versions of WP7, but when you set it next to a newer, official WP7 device you will see the differences. If you don't already own an HD2 I'd advise getting a WP7 phone, maybe one with a better screen than the HD2 has got... unless you really have a need to still be running WinMo 6.5.

wildfire dipped in honey+chocolate sauce is sweet !!

Love the hd2. Got it for it's support of tzone grandfathered plans on 3g. Wm6.5 is a joke. I could not believe how amazing the phone was after removing that dead weight of an os.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

I am too trying to upgrade my HD2. I am thinking of Nexus one. It seems similar in many ways to HD2, but will have a better battery life. My plan is to: sell HD2 + $50 = Brand new Nexus one.
I was also thinking of Moto Defy...

AntonJart said:
I am too trying to upgrade my HD2. I am thinking of Nexus one. It seems similar in many ways to HD2, but will have a better battery life. My plan is to: sell HD2 + $50 = Brand new Nexus one.
I was also thinking of Moto Defy...
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I'd recommend looking at a Nexus S... a bit plastic, but the Nexus One is long in the tooth now, in terms of hardware.

Wow thanks for all the input today, Guys! I discovered a couple more things today that are going to affect my phone purchase. The first thing is that the T-Mobile branded HD2 does not support the 850 band and I am an AT&T user so not only would I not get 3G on it, but AT&T generally sends me angry emails when I use like a gig of data while "roaming" on T-Mobile's towers.
I doubt I'm going to be able to get an HD2 that does HSDPA850 at a bargain price so I checked out my upgrade options through AT&T. I am considering the following phones which I can get practically free, and here's my thoughts on each from most to least likely to be my next phone.
Samsung Focus - I've played with this phone at the store and it has the nicest looking screen by far of the three AT&T branded WP7 phones. Looks nice (except no video out). Everyone posting ITT has given me some faith in on-capacitive-screen keyboards and I must have had to work on my Hermes a million times because of the slide mechanism damaging, or more often just twisting the ribbon cable. I guess the only doubt that I have in my heart about this phone is that it's a WP7 only phone and I don't believe in WP7 largely because it's not backwards compatible with any of my WM6.5 apps. It boggles my mind that someone asked why I would want WM compatibility after I have spent nine years using it.
HTC Inspire - Seems like a pretty solid Android phone, and one of only two Android phones in the price range I want to pay (although still $50 more than the Focus). Video out only through DLNA
iPhone 3g 8gb - I think we all know everything we need to know about this animal. It's solid, spare parts are plentiful, and it's extensively developed. I just hate Apple. I don't want to have to install iTunes on my computer and so forth. Still may be my choice purely for resale value.
LG Quantum - Ditto most of the Samsung Focus opinion. Noticeably poorer screen (smaller and backlit LCD vs OLED), but does have a hardware keyboard and is the form factor I am accustomed to from the last six years with Wizard and Hermes. I guess Focus or HD2 would just feel like Wallaby in my pocket though.
Samsung Solstice II - Basically what the Quantum is to the Focus, the Solstice is to the Inspire in the Android arena. Smaller, poorer screen in exchange for a slide out keyboard. DLNA compatible though.
Palm Pre Plus and Palm Pixi - Seem like decent phones but a little too cute for me. Plus I have even greater misgivings about Palm's WebOS than I do about WP7.
Sony Ericcson Vivaz - I carried an Ngage for a while switching back and forth with Wallaby. There seemed to be a lot of development for Symbian back then and it was stable. Probably not the thing to discuss on this forum though..
Anyway, hopefully I'm not derailing my own thread too much or getting it off the topic of the section I posted it in but I appreciate all the replies and would love to hear what everyone thinks. Deciding which phone to get can be a real brain drain! And what's up with hardly anything having video out? My friend's Evo has a freakin' HDMI port right on it!