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Is it possible to browse my LAN from my XDAII using only my USB cradle? I'm using Resco Explorer. I tried this:
1. Select My Network root directory
2. Selected Map Drive... from the Advanced Toolbar
... to no avail.
Open up internet explorer. Put in the address bar the following \\"computer name or IP of computer" then click on the little go button and waa laa it will work. The go button doesn't say go, but in essence it is the same it is to the right of the address bar.
Mike
As far as I was aware it's not possible to browse network files from an XDA2 unless you use an SDIO wi-fi card, and sure enough I can't get Mikee's suggestion to work. If I type into IE's address bar '\\192.168.1.100' and click Go, that gets replaced with 'file//\\192.168.1.100\' (almost like it's trying to connect for me) but then immediately I get a 'Network path cannot be found' error.
Pity, cos it'd be great to be able to do this. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, Mikee?
You can partially blame Microsoft for this with their "My network card connects to {work} or {the internet}..." paradigm.
It's one of the most irritating things about the Windows Mobile OS.
Let's suppose you have a Wireless Card or (in my XDAIIi's case) internal Wireless turned on. By default, WinMob2003(&SE) decides arbitarily that your network card connects to the Internet.
This is fine if you are using a Wireless AP hooked up to ADSL at home for your Home LAN as it will just connect via your AP and go straight through to the Internet. However, guess what you have to do to be able to connect to any local machines on your LAN? You guessed it, you have to go into the advanced connection setting and change the "My network card connects to..." to "Work"!! You will then be able to map a drive either using Resco Explorer or even the inbuilt explorer, of any machine that your PPC can "see". Don't forget that permissions etc will need to be setup first though so that you can login to said machine.
That's fine, however, guess what you WON'T be able to do while you have that setting at "Work"? You guessed it, you WON'T be able to connect to the Internet!
I'm afraid it's either one OR the other and NOT both together.
I went through all this wireless bit because it equally applies to when you are simply connected via the cradle using Activesync. In the "Pass-through" settings of AS, you'll find it set to "The Internet" by default and like this, you will not be able to access local machines on the LAN connected via your desktop or a switch/hub. If you change it to "Work", however, you will. Then of course, the same applies as to the wireless setup. With it at "Work" you won't have access to "The Internet" and vice-versa.
I can only guess that the PPC situation is like this because the WinMob2003(&SE) OS does NOT have a FULL network client built into it that behaves as a Windows Desktop PC would. So, basically, it's a cludge.
You can partially blame Microsoft for this with their "My network card connects to {work} or {the internet}..." paradigm.
It's one of the most irritating things about the Windows Mobile OS.
Let's suppose you have a Wireless Card or (in my XDAIIi's case) internal Wireless turned on. By default, WinMob2003(&SE) decides arbitarily that your network card connects to the Internet.
This is fine if you are using a Wireless AP hooked up to ADSL at home for your Home LAN as it will just connect via your AP and go straight through to the Internet. However, guess what you have to do to be able to connect to any local machines on your LAN? You guessed it, you have to go into the advanced connection setting and change the "My network card connects to..." to "Work"!! You will then be able to map a drive either using Resco Explorer or even the inbuilt explorer, of any machine that your PPC can "see". Don't forget that permissions etc will need to be setup first though so that you can login to said machine.
That's fine, however, guess what you WON'T be able to do while you have that setting at "Work"? You guessed it, you WON'T be able to connect to the Internet!
I'm afraid it's either one OR the other and NOT both together.
I went through all this wireless bit because it equally applies to when you are simply connected via the cradle using Activesync. In the "Pass-through" settings of AS, you'll find it set to "The Internet" by default and like this, you will not be able to access local machines on the LAN connected via your desktop or a switch/hub. If you change it to "Work", however, you will. Then of course, the same applies as to the wireless setup. With it at "Work" you won't have access to "The Internet" and vice-versa.
I can only guess that the PPC situation is like this because the WinMob2003(&SE) OS does NOT have a FULL network client built into it that behaves as a Windows Desktop PC would. So, basically, it's a cludge.
strange , im using the XDA2s and my wifi settings are set to see internet , but in file explore or rosco file explorer they both see my lan fine in file exlore all i doo is click on the netfolder ickon at the bottom and then enter \\ (then the computer name) eg \\bedroompc this works both for my work network and home
henny
Firstly, my apologies for the double post above. I only pushed the submit button once, honest!
I was actually describing the "standard" way that all of O2's XDA's get setup when they are first turned on from new and that means that usually, under "Connections", "Select Networks" then "Network Management", you will normally see "My ISP" in the top box for progs that automatically connect to the Internet and "My Work Network" in the lower box for progs that automatically connect to a private network and this is where the problem lays.
In hindsight, I wasn't particularly helpful to Tetragrammaton since I didn't provide the actual solution he was looking for simply because I got too wrapped up in bashing the PPC's network client (or lack of a full one anyway...)
The solution is of course to simply make the bottom box equal to the top box (i.e. "My ISP") and immediately this will change the behaviour to that as you so correctly described (being able to connect to the Internet and to a Local LAN machine simultaneously) and will obviate the need to swap the destination of the Network Card settings themselves (which only gives one way connectivity with Wireless anyway).
I'm guessing that your machine is set this way Henny? Which of course will work as you describe.
The only caveat to doing this is that you disable the O2 WAP settings (which are normally configured under the "My Work Network" part) but whether this is a great loss is a moot point. In any case, the lower box in "Network Management" can always be switched back temporarily should you need the WAP settings back.
I hope this has now helped Tetragrammaton to get up and running...
I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I would be too.. anyways, thanks a lot y'all for the info.
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I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I haven't been able to try your suggestion yet, but just so we're clear, you're talking about browsing the files on LAN machines while the XDA2 (not 2i or 2s) is connected via ActiveSync? I think that's what tetragrammaton was asking in the original post. I have a suspicion that this post has been taken over with discussions about browsing the LAN using a wi-fi connection, not ActiveSync... :roll: Of course the XDA2 (which tetragrammaton mentions) doesn't have wi-fi
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I haven't been able to try your suggestion yet, but just so we're clear, you're talking about browsing the files on LAN machines while the XDA2 (not 2i or 2s) is connected via ActiveSync? I think that's what tetragrammaton was asking in the original post. I have a suspicion that this post has been taken over with discussions about browsing the LAN using a wi-fi connection, not ActiveSync... :roll: Of course the XDA2 (which tetragrammaton mentions) doesn't have wi-fi
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True and you are absolutely right on all counts. Browsing LAN machines via activesync using an XDAII in a USB cradle.
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CPNowell said:
I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I haven't been able to try your suggestion yet, but just so we're clear, you're talking about browsing the files on LAN machines while the XDA2 (not 2i or 2s) is connected via ActiveSync? I think that's what tetragrammaton was asking in the original post. I have a suspicion that this post has been taken over with discussions about browsing the LAN using a wi-fi connection, not ActiveSync... :roll: Of course the XDA2 (which tetragrammaton mentions) doesn't have wi-fi
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True and you are absolutely right on all counts. Browsing LAN machines via activesync using an XDAII in a USB cradle.
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In that case I'm confused . Sorry. If it doesn't work in the cradle, but you're not talking about doing it through a wi-fi connection, what does your solution actually do? Apologies if I'm being a bit thick here - I'm ill with the 'flu.
I'm nervous about starting to mess about with the connections settings on my XDA2 just so that I can browse files on the network - every time I do this I end up screwing them up. I don't understand them at all and usually a hard reset with the auto-config is the only way to get it all working again. :roll:
I'll do a synopsis of this thread so far this evening. Bit tied up at work at the moment. Hope that's ok...
This has been covered many many times. It is impossible as currently set up. The best way to achieve this is to buy Pocket LAN, it works perfectly
I've had a quick look at that but that would be for just Wireless LAN connectivity, right? ...and as has already been pointed out to me (correctly), the original question was not about wireless.
NO!!!! This works through active sync with the xda in the cradle, worked on xda2 and 2i for me. Actually it is a bit of a waste of money as i never use it, though it seemed agreat idea at the time.
barney12345 said:
NO!!!! This works through active sync with the xda in the cradle, worked on xda2 and 2i for me. Actually it is a bit of a waste of money as i never use it, though it seemed agreat idea at the time.
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I've googled "Pocket LAN" and came up with a bunch of hits though none of them seem to be the right hit. If Pocket LAN seems to do the trick of accessing a network via the USB cradle only, could you post the link to Pocket LAN? Thanks!
http://www.pocketlance.com/register/index.shtml it says for ce or 2002 but works on 2003 and 2003se.
Hope this helps
You can find it (PocketLAN) here...
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=2825
Contrary to what Barney found, it didn't work at all for my XDAIIi in the cradle. The usual "network path not found" was all it could muster...
Even wirelessly I found it cumbersome and a bit iffy at connecting to machines at times. It does no more than Resco Explorers built-in network stuff. It also seeks to start messing with the device name etc and generally "muscle-in" and take over... Resco Exp does it without fuss, quietly and efficiently. More importantly, it works everytime but I'm afraid even it can't manage to connect to LAN machines through the cradle and AS.
Sorry about no (promised) post last night. Just didn't get the time. I'll try again for later today.
http://www.pocketlance.com/ try this link as well you can get a trial download
Im off on holiday to a place with no wifi access im taking my laptop and was wondering if i can use my gprs connection so i can check email and browse using my laptop ?
Thanks
Try a program called pdanet available from www.junefabrics.com. I had the same issue last week and used pdanet to connect my PC to the internet via my GPRS T-Mobile account. The program worked well for me.
Modem Link
Look in programs on your MDA and you will see a program called ModemLink, it allows you to use your MDA as an Edge/GPRS modem. It's how I connect to the internet at home on my desktop. Hook up to the USB cable run Modem Link hit activate and follow the directions. If you look on Your CD that came with the phone in the OEM folder you'll find directions and a driver to use.
Heres a good guide:
http://www.pdagold.com/articles/detail.asp?a=269
Also see http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=510&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for more info.
I was recently given a new laptop and had to reconfigure all my connections. Like you I have TM GPRS and while slow, it was still better than the alternatives. I tried & tried to get the usb modem to work but couldn't so in a last ditch effort I started playing around with the bluetooth modem and eureka, it works. I actually think it works better than usb, no cable, you dont have to mess with modemlink, it's stable, I'm using it right now.
My laptop is a dell xps which uses Toshiba's bluetooth stack. I initially tried configuring it with the auto configure wizard and it wouldn't recognize the wizard's modem. Instead use the manual process and in the Toshiba version there is a switch between modem and file transfer, it defaults to file transfer in the wizard, setting the switch to modem it instantly connected and logged into the gprs net (*99#, no password or logon info needed).
I also recently updated the wizard with the new tmobile rom which I believe eliminates modemlink because when I said you dont mess with it, it's because it's not there or at least I couldn't find it. Anyone else see this?
which one is more easier to set up?
thanks
usb
I figured this out yesterday using the usb cradle (to see if it would work).
The key is in the order that you do things.
Go to the wiki site (look at the top of the page - left) and follow the really simple instructions. THey work perfectly.
Good luck
SOLVED: USE USB-RNDIS-LITE FROM SYNCE'S WEBSITE
Now that the wmodem app has been pushed out in favor of 'internet sharing', how can we do this? I notice that the wmodem app still exists on my phone ( ppc 6800) but when i tap to open it nothing happens.
I have been playing around, and getting desperate here, since I seem to be the only one interested. They figured out the iphone in a matter of a week or so!
I was thinking maybe it was possible using the iphone technique by setting up a proxy on the phone and doing it via wifi, but the siftware is missing.
The only hope that I have now is to maybe utilize the program 'synce' to accomplish this. Since I heard pdanet tethers through an activesync connection (which is what synce does), maybe it'd be a matter of a few 'route' and 'iptables' commands.
One other note, my phone is recognized as different things depending on what option I have set in 'connections>usb to pc' with 'advanced network functionality' set to off, the ipaq driver gets loaded and this is how i can use synce. With the box checked it shows up as an eethernet rndis device and cdc_ether and rndis_host modules are loaded. however, when i turn on the internet sharing app it gets recognized as a whole different UNKNOWN device. Im thinking a patch to the right mmodules might fix this, and i'm not using the module usb-rndis-lite because it never worked for me, even though i saw a patch for that module that does just that, make the system recognize it as an ethernet device.
Someone else chime in here, I cant be the only linux enthusiast with a cell phone out there. We dont ALL live in the parents basement
I HAD TO EDIT TO SPECIFY I NEED A USB SOLUTION AND NOT BLUETOOTH
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Now that the wmodem app has been pushed out in favor of 'internet sharing', how can we do this? I notice that the wmodem app still exists on my phone ( ppc 6800) but when i tap to open it nothing happens.
I have been playing around, and getting desperate here, since I seem to be the only one interested. They figured out the iphone in a matter of a week or so!
I was thinking maybe it was possible using the iphone technique by setting up a proxy on the phone and doing it via wifi, but the siftware is missing.
The only hope that I have now is to maybe utilize the program 'synce' to accomplish this. Since I heard pdanet tethers through an activesync connection (which is what synce does), maybe it'd be a matter of a few 'route' and 'iptables' commands.
One other note, my phone is recognized as different things depending on what option I have set in 'connections>usb to pc' with 'advanced network functionality' set to off, the ipaq driver gets loaded and this is how i can use synce. With the box checked it shows up as an eethernet rndis device and cdc_ether and rndis_host modules are loaded. however, when i turn on the internet sharing app it gets recognized as a whole different UNKNOWN device. Im thinking a patch to the right mmodules might fix this, and i'm not using the module usb-rndis-lite because it never worked for me, even though i saw a patch for that module that does just that, make the system recognize it as an ethernet device.
Someone else chime in here, I cant be the only linux enthusiast with a cell phone out there. We dont ALL live in the parents basement
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To quote Sherlock Holmes...."Elementary Watson"...you do a search.
I'll ignore the fact you posted the same thing in multiple places. I'll also ignore the fact you apparently can't be bothered to do a search on "linux internet sharing" and want someone else to do it for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319978&highlight=linux
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=318255&highlight=linux+internet+sharing
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324632
sorry to say, i've been googling this for weeks and it has eluded me. but thanks for the links, even though you decided to flame me. I'll check them out and report back if they work or not.
P.S. - I dont deny I also posted thisin the titan forum, I posted it here because obviously it gets more views here and it's not just a titan question.
Now lemme go see if any of your links actually work.. )
FIRST EDIT: Maybe I should have specified I need to do this via USB for 1: bluetooth is slower, when tethering to evdo, and 2: i dont have bluetooth.
My bad for not specifying but maybe you can be less snappy to me now. I imagine all your links are for bluetooth, i only checked out the first on so far, but we'll see. Im gonna edit my first post to say USB
watson540 said:
sorry to say, i've been googling this for weeks and it has eluded me. but thanks for the links, even though you decided to flame me. I'll check them out and report back if they work or not.
P.S. - I dont deny I also posted thisin the titan forum, I posted it here because obviously it gets more views here and it's not just a titan question.
Now lemme go see if any of your links actually work.. )
FIRST EDIT: Maybe I should have specified I need to do this via USB for 1: bluetooth is slower, when tethering to evdo, and 2: i dont have bluetooth.
My bad for not specifying but maybe you can be less snappy to me now. I imagine all your links are for bluetooth, i only checked out the first on so far, but we'll see. Im gonna edit my first post to say USB
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Good luck with that..to my knowledge the usb drivers to connect to wm6 under linux don't exist because the usb connection is totally different for usb internet sharing than it was for USB dun. WM6 has not been around long enough for many people under linux to fool with it. The only options I can think of off top of my head is to try to force ndiswrapper into using the drivers that come with activesync 4.5 (that's where you'll have to extract the windows drivers) or run vmware or virtualbox which can both pass usb devices to a vm and have the phone be used by XP inside a vm..then set the linux box to use the xp connection as a gateway..a kludgy hack at best.
While the theoretical top speeds of EVDO do outpace bluetooth none of the articles I've read indicated people in real life situations had been able to GET these speeds from their provider. If you can, more power to you. For my use of edge the $5 bluetooth dongle was alot easier.
I also had an idea to use ndiswrapper as well, wasnt real sure of the drivers to use. I was aware of the internet sharing app changing device id's and it not acting as a modem.
But, as you'll see in my first post, the phone is recognized as a usb rndis device. you can see this by looking at the tail of dmesg. It's just that when you start the internet sharing app, the phone changes its device id again. Also as I already stated, there is a patch for the usb-rndis-lite driver that comes with synce, that supposedly makes the box recognize it as an ethernet device while in internet sharing mode, so maybe its a matter of putting some device id's into cdc_ether.ko or corresponding module.
Another idea, would be to somehow get the wmodem app working on the phone itself, as I said it's still there in wm6, it just wont start. I have also seen in the phines registry plenty of reference to the phone acting as a modem so the framework is still there as well, ITs just a matter of getting the wmodem app going! Probably a registry key somewhere. In fact in the WMODEM registry key itself, the one you use to disable NAI, here is a key called WMODEMDUN, but every time i set it to one from the default zero it changes back. I hate to buy a bt adaptor for only this reason when i know there is an existing solution for usb out there, but yeah you're right..wm6 just hasnt been around long enough
So in short, with wm6 the phone emulates a usb rndis ethernet device instead of modem, it actually shows up as eth1 on my box, but when i start the internet sharing app the device id changes to an unknown one.
Also i wanted to add, I have definitely tether with xp and virtualbox easily, been doing that since i got the phone, so to anyine windering it's possible for sure. would be perfect if i could route that back to the host os.
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I also had an idea to use ndiswrapper as well, wasnt real sure of the drivers to use. I was aware of the internet sharing app changing device id's and it not acting as a modem.
But, as you'll see in my first post, the phone is recognized as a usb rndis device. you can see this by looking at the tail of dmesg. It's just that when you start the internet sharing app, the phone changes its device id again. Also as I already stated, there is a patch for the usb-rndis-lite driver that comes with synce, that supposedly makes the box recognize it as an ethernet device while in internet sharing mode, so maybe its a matter of putting some device id's into cdc_ether.ko or corresponding module.
Another idea, would be to somehow get the wmodem app working on the phone itself, as I said it's still there in wm6, it just wont start. I have also seen in the phines registry plenty of reference to the phone acting as a modem so the framework is still there as well, ITs just a matter of getting the wmodem app going! Probably a registry key somewhere. In fact in the WMODEM registry key itself, the one you use to disable NAI, here is a key called WMODEMDUN, but every time i set it to one from the default zero it changes back. I hate to buy a bt adaptor for only this reason when i know there is an existing solution for usb out there, but yeah you're right..wm6 just hasnt been around long enough
So in short, with wm6 the phone emulates a usb rndis ethernet device instead of modem, it actually shows up as eth1 on my box, but when i start the internet sharing app the device id changes to an unknown one.
Also i wanted to add, I have definitely tether with xp and virtualbox easily, been doing that since i got the phone, so to anyine windering it's possible for sure. would be perfect if i could route that back to the host os.
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You can route it back to the host by running a proxy and/or bridging the interfaces (virtual box.org has instructions on that).
Certain versions of AKU 3.0 and up come with a wmodem app that still has usb and infrared (not bluetooth) in addition to the internet sharing. They may still use the old method and you may be able to use them as a model to get it working on yours. If I remember correctly the NBD wizard rom had both internet sharing and a modem link application like that.
I can tell you this..DON'T try to flash a rom onto your phone using virtualbox.
I might try to route it through virtualbox then, for now. I did try to google that as well but i couldnt think of any defining keywords.
For now, flashing is out of the question,,, because my phone is CID LOCKED? I'm not so sure of the terminology cause i just got into pda's. But I know atm I cant flash anything that isnt signed by htc. Its only a matter of time i'm sure/hope.
In the meantime, hopefully people that are too cheap to buy a bt adaptor such as myself might figure out how to run the wmodem app that exists already on the phone
I have tried looking around this website for several days, and I have tried a few things, but have had no success so far so could somebody help me please?
I have a blue Angel with ROM version 6.10.02.PB, ROM date 02/15/08, radio version 1.06.00, protocol version 1337.38, ExtROM hoangdat_vt. This already has the Internet sharing program built in. I also put this registry edit in, precious day, so I could connect to the Internet whilst I am connected to the laptop through my USB. And I have installed resco pocket Explorer.
I have tried with my routers wireless encrypted, and unencrypted. And I definitely have put the correct WEP 128 code in to my XDA when it has been encrypted. But my XDA definitely won't connect to any of the wireless connections I pick up in my area, and in particular will not connect to mine. I can see the connections, and I can see the XDA attempting to connect to them, but it never actually achieves connection. Any suggestions?
thanks in anticipation,funny keyboard.
Start off with the available WiFi connection points:
What information do you know of them re: security. When entering the WEP key on your Xda, it will tell you immediately that you've got it wrong or not, so if you've got past that point, at least the Xda is chatting to the WiFi & the keys match...
Sometimes, my Xda sits there saying 'connecting'. (and again, sometimes it then says 'connected'). Seems not to matter.... just move on and assume it is indeed connected. The system will tell you as a pop-up sometime later if things are amiss.
Andy
I've been trying to tether my mogul to my desktop through ICS to no avail. The more I try the worse I seem to make it. I read through all the forums and found the registry hacks/internet fix sharing.cab.
I downloaded the registry editor however I do not have a Internet Sharing directory under the Comm directory.
My next step was to try using the available internet sharing fix.cab (from ppcgeeks) and it seems to be a big mistake. First the connect button under ICS was grayed out. I followed directions to change the connection name from Sprint PCS to Sprint. That went ahead and added a connection named sprint which didn't work so I deleted it and left the original Sprint PCS connection which seemed to help with the problem.
Now wmwifirouter isn't working. One positive thing happened though, ICS is connected without the error 67 crap, but desktop still can't connect since it has "limited or no connectivity" (through usb). When I click on repair, I get an error renewing the ip address.
Can anyone help???
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Bump?
Somehow wmwifirouter is working again... not sure how. I went into remove programs and removed the internet sharing cab fix program and that seemed to do it.
So now I'm back at square one. WMwifirouter works and ICS doesn't. ICS now has the connect button greyed out but I guess that's ok since I'd rather have wmwifirouter working and ICS not than have them both not working. If anyone has successfully been able to tether through usb with the wm6.1 please help.
Thanks