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has anyone been able to find the Sandisk Micro SDHC card specs/speeds?

I just wanted to know the speeds of the SDHC cards, i wasnt sure how they compared to SD ultra II cards. I just havnt been able to find the specs anywhere so far.

When I bought my 4 GB sandisk SDHC I asked the salesman about speeds. He searched many places, even at the manufacturers homepage, without finding any specs. He sent a mail to sandisk, but I havent heard from him yet.
I'll tell you the results when I hear from him...

On the card itself, there should be a number in a circle. This number is the rated write speed of the card, in MB/second. This PDF from SanDisk should provide more detail.

All i know is that they are class 4 cards, and that they are much faster than regular sd, micro sd cards, but not as fast as USB 2.0 or firewire.

After reading the pdf, it appears that there is more than one class. My 6gb card says that it is a class 4, so it would transfer at 4mb/s.

ghaith_d said:
After reading the pdf, it appears that there is more than one class. My 6gb card says that it is a class 4, so it would transfer at 4mb/s.
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hmm, well as long as the kaiser can take full advantage of that 4mb/s then that's pretty good.

mikeeey said:
hmm, well as long as the kaiser can take full advantage of that 4mb/s then that's pretty good.
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i would logically think that it should be...i mean, if it can accept SDHC, then it will prob. be able to utilize it.

The 6GB and soon to be out 8GB cards are all currently "Class 4" which is 4mb/s; ScanDisc is the current leader in bringing Micro SD card technology to market and to this point there have been no indications there is a "Class 8" or higher in the immediate future.
4GB cards typically will be either "Class 4" 4mb/s or "Class 2" 2mb/s. If you see a really cheap 4GB card there is a good chance it is a Class 2, so be careful.

-EAD- said:
The 6GB and soon to be out 8GB cards are all currently "Class 4" which is 4mb/s; ScanDisc is the current leader in bringing Micro SD card technology to market and to this point there have been no indications there is a "Class 8" or higher in the immediate future.
4GB cards typically will be either "Class 4" 4mb/s or "Class 2" 2mb/s. If you see a really cheap 4GB card there is a good chance it is a Class 2, so be careful.
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at best buy they have 6gb micro SDHC cards, do you thik those are class 4? i would only expect to get class 2 online?

mikeeey said:
at best buy they have 6gb micro SDHC cards, do you thik those are class 4? i would only expect to get class 2 online?
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I don't know what BB has, but the 6gb I bought online a few weeks back is class 4. According to Sandisk's site, all their 6 gb cards are class 4, and all their 4gb's are class 2.

mikeeey said:
at best buy they have 6gb micro SDHC cards, do you thik those are class 4? i would only expect to get class 2 online?
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If they are ScanDisc then yes they are class 4.

Higher speed media?
Amazon is selling a 2GB SD card for $40.85 where they claim:
Product Description
The Sandisk Mobile Premier microSD Memory Card offers all the benefits of a standard Sandisk microSD card plus higher performance and TrustedFlash technology for premium content storage on next generation phones. Write at 10MB per second and read 9MB per second for higher speeds to increase the functionality of your phone's storage capabilities. Listen to more songs, view & print more pictures and store more videos.
the link is:
http://www.amazon.com/Microsd-Premi...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1192552982&sr=1-6

many ppl are mistakening about what the classes refer to, there are 3 class 2, 4 and 6, this means the minimum write speed the micro sd can achieve, in other words, the class 4 and class 6 may not even be faster than a class 2.
I have te following and did a simple test using the hd tach.
toshiba 4GB class 4
sandisk 4GB class 2
sandisk 6GB class 4
all cards offer a write speed at just over 4MB/S
As for the read speed, both sandisk is about 11MB/s, whiles the toshiba is at 20MB/s
on the market apart from these, there are others, like kingston and eagletec (toshiba OEM), and may be some others.
kms

I go the 6GB sacndisk from Buy.com for 70$
It seams slow, when programs access the card it seams to stop for a second.
Like using it IE or attached files of email.
and finaly every this was gone, and format it again..
Don't know what's going on...
A.

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If they are ScanDisc then yes they are class 4.
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The specs on the Best Buy website say they are class 2.
BestBuy

memory cards ..

hi guys
my pro comes during next week and i wanted to check what size memory cards it'll take. If it supports Micro SD will it support Micro SD HC cards? What's the maximum size it'll support please?
thanks.

http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=49936
see the photo number 6

so for £17 an 8GB SDHC card from play.com is my best option really? Any other suggestions?

That's even cheaper than Ebay!
I bought a 2GB Sandisk one from Play for my Artemis and it buggered my phone! Play were a bit arsey about replacing it, but did eventually after a load of emails and phone calls

8 gig rox!
I have 2 8 gigs that I switch back and forth...it was kind of funny to use my phone as an external hard drive via usb! The phone also has disk mode, faster communication to the sd card...
Its almost sick as we keep getting more and more memory! pretty soon we will get rid of moving part drives and everything will be memory!

I've bought an 8gb sandisk class 6 with p&p for around £27 off ebay.
Don't forget that there isn't just size, but speed as well.
As far as I know, the current 16gb cards are class 2, even though some places are stating 4. (I've not come across anybody that can prove they have a class 4) And sandisk isn't even showing details themselves yet.

16 gb microsd class 4 does not exist.
there is only class 2 for this size, the rest are fake!
class 2 should be enough for regular user though...but then again, who on this forum is a regular user? )

I have a Sandisk 16GB Class 2 card - works perfectly.

Does anyone know what Device Class the Touch Pro is?
There is no need for a class 4 card if the unit is a class 2...
Is there any good benchmarking programs for reading SDcards on WM6.1?

16gb, saying class 4 £46.95 http://www.memorybits.co.uk/shop/mi...23-in-1-multi-card-sdsdq016ge11mplus23in/9078
have ordered from them before no issues

No one is selling Class 4 currently, their information is incorrect - many others are similarly stating Class 4 but shipping Class 2. Class 4 is not yet available.

zeb crs said:
Is there any good benchmarking programs for reading SDcards on WM6.1?
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I use Pocket Mechanic on my Tytn II (still running WM6.0); it has a pretty good benchmark suite. I ran it on a SanDisk 16 GB Class 2 I picked up the other day and got write speeds of 1.3 MB/sec. The same test on a SanDisk 8GB Class 4 gives a write speed of 2.05 MB/sec. Those numbers suggest to me that the device is the main impediment to performance -- I should have seen at least 2MB/sec and 4MB/sec respectively (that's what Class 2 & Class 4 mean).

And that's a Tytn II but I'm very interested in what difference it makes in a Touch Pro..
my choice is between the:
Sandisk Mobile Ultra microSDHC 8GB (Think it's class 6) (€38,50)
and the
Sandsik microSDHC 8GB (Which is class 2) (€24,95)
And I really don't know which one to go for.. I somewhere found a Nokia N95-3 review which told that the difference was noticable between the 2 cards.. but I don't know if it's true for the TP..
Any help on this matter?

You guys really need to steer clear of Ebay for memory, to many fakes of rubbish quality, I have used both of these places before and they are excellent and reliable, I just bought a genuine Class 6 sandisk 8GB micro SD plus a keychain USB adapter for £26.50 delivered, from the first place
www.picstop.co.uk
www.7dayshop.co.uk

The pro is class 4 or better i tried wth c1 c2 and c4 cards c4 works the fastest almost 16mb transfer speed via the phone that is not bad.... a full os flash from c4 card take just 5 min nbh image size 154mb so talking about a heavy-weight os. but the same progress with my 4 gb c2 card take over 10min ???? funny

The SanDisk 8GB Mobile Ultra class 6 is superb!!
I've bought this Sandisk micro SDHC 8GB class 6 at 'The phone House' for about 40 euro. The class 4 device was 10 euro less expensive. Yes expensive but worth every cent. I've used several brands the past 6 years and I'll stick to SanDisk: reliable no issues at all and fast!
At this moment 16GB is available but only class 2. Don't buy them because you don't want a bottle neck in your overall system performance!!

Woot has 4gb MicroSD cards for $11 shipped. I just snagged two, but hurry the deal is only good for one day.

i actually emailed HTC about this and got the following email as a reply
Code:
Good Evening,
Thank you for your enquiry about the HTC Touch Pro.
The Touch Pro has been tested with a 16gb MicroSDHC card and it works fine, as for 32gb and 64gb I cannot be sure, as they have not been released yet. More information bout the compatibility of these cards will be available after they have been released and tested.
Please do not reply to this email as this email address is not monitored for replies.
Best regards,
Thomas Fisher
HTC Europe
ive also purchased this
http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Micro-SDHC/Kingston/Kingston-8GB-Micro-SD-(SDHC)-Card---Class-4
from here
http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Micro-SDHC

16gb SDHC card?

What is the fastest 16gb card I can get?
I want something that'll play movies off the card without any stuttering.
Any suggestions?

One suggestion is, read the rules and post your questions is the relative sections, also there's even a sticky at the top of this section that reads, "Don't Start a New Thread - Leo Questions & Answers"

p3eps said:
What is the fastest 16gb card I can get?
I want something that'll play movies off the card without any stuttering.
Any suggestions?
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My 16GB Nokia SDHC is playing videos with bitrate 2000+ & resolution 720x380 without any stutter.
I have almost 6GB full of videos only in my card.
I tried for a higher class card in 16GB, but not available in my place.

i am using kingston class 2 converted 1080p movies to 480X800 at highest qulity. no stutter whatsoever

jhexx said:
i am using kingston class 2 converted 1080p movies to 480X800 at highest qulity. no stutter whatsoever
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He was specifically asking for the fastest card. Your card is the slowest. Class 2 is the slowest class you can get. It's not even sold anymore here in Japan. For the HD 2 I would recommend at least a class 6 card (6 MB/sec reading. The better ones are now rated as class 10.

SanDisk 16gb Class 2 exceed the speeds of asian branded class 6 cards such as Transcend and Adata etc.
I would get a Sandisk Class 2 16gb card over other higher class cards.
Only better one at the moment is 16gb Class 4 SanDisk which exceeds class 10 speeds.

chainbolt said:
He was specifically asking for the fastest card. Your card is the slowest. Class 2 is the slowest class you can get. It's not even sold anymore here in Japan. For the HD 2 I would recommend at least a class 6 card (6 MB/sec reading. The better ones are now rated as class 10.
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Just because it is Class 2 does not mean it is the slowest!
The Sandisk Class 2 performs well above the majority of class 2 cards and even some class 6-8 cards.
The 2 only means it guarantees that speed.
I've seen some class 6 cards just reach 7mb/s, so this class 2 would run the spots off it. I've got a Sandisk 16gb Ultra Class 4, its quite fast but you need to consider the fact that the phone won't use it to its max potential, only 8mb/s limit i think

From what i hear the class definition only is a guarantee for write speeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#SD_Speed_Class_Ratings
"SD Cards and SDHC Cards have Speed Class Ratings defined by the SD Association. The SD Speed Class Ratings specify the following minimum write speeds based on "the best fragmented state where no memory unit is occupied":[8]"

I've got a Sandisk micro sdhc 16 Gg. It's only a class 2, but i should say that it is pretty fast and I never had any trouble with it. Fast and safe.
I find it better than the Transcend or Kingston SD I tried.
I hope we can soon have a micro sdhc 32 Gb

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One suggestion is, read the rules and post your questions is the relative sections, also there's even a sticky at the top of this section that reads, "Don't Start a New Thread - Leo Questions & Answers"
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Thanks for the very helpful reply.
Did you get all of your 21 posts by helping people out with this sort of useful info?
Thanks to the folk who have actually posted useful stuff though...
I see the Sandisk Class 2 16gb one on Amazon and other sites for about £30 - which seems pretty good. I found another thread comparing speeds of cards, and it seems the HD2 can't write or read any faster than the equivalent of a class 2 anyway.
I think the Sandisk Class 2 will do for the moment - the 32gb ones are due out anytime soon... so theres no point in lashing out £60 for a high spec 16gb when a 32gb will be round the corner.

p3eps said:
Thanks for the very helpful reply.
Did you get all of your 21 posts by helping people out with this sort of useful info?
Thanks to the folk who have actually posted useful stuff though...
I see the Sandisk Class 2 16gb one on Amazon and other sites for about £30 - which seems pretty good. I found another thread comparing speeds of cards, and it seems the HD2 can't write or read any faster than the equivalent of a class 2 anyway.
I think the Sandisk Class 2 will do for the moment - the 32gb ones are due out anytime soon... so theres no point in lashing out £60 for a high spec 16gb when a 32gb will be round the corner.
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I will be selling my 16gb when a 32 comes out, got it quite cheap so I can't imagine I will really lose that much money on re-sell as there are not that many 16gb class 4's about.

16GB Going to buy with my christmas paycheck. Anyone know of any good deals for SD(HC) cards in the UK?

Blacked Out said:
16GB Going to buy with my christmas paycheck. Anyone know of any good deals for SD(HC) cards in the UK?
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I got mine from Amazon (marketplace) for £32

i got 8GB Class 4 from SanDisk...
i wish i could find 16GB Class 6

I have an A-Data 16gb class 6 works great in my HD2 !

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I have an A-Data 16gb class 6 works great in my HD2 !
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ouch..£52.99 is a bit steep to justify when a similar spec standard sd is less than half that price..I can't help wondering whether there's any real benefit from a card with this performance level that's detectable in normal use,after all,the ammount of data that will be required at any point in time surely wont exceed the displays capacity even while using a lower spec card? Yes the snapdragon can process huge ammounts of data quickly but it's still going to be limited ,by the ammount of it,it can show or am I talking round hairy things? I've seen a similar debate on a forum dedicated to sat navs but never found, myself, any difference between using cl2 or cl6 cards as far as speed in the processing and displaying of information upon a screen goes...anyone care to enlighten us?

I have been using Sandisk Class 2 16GB cards for a while now, 3 pcs on separate devices and I can say it is fast and safe. Fully compatible with the HD2. I also have a 16GB Kingston Class 6 and it is about 20% of the Sandisk speed when writing. Way too slow even though it's rated as Class 6. Go figure.

SanDisk 16gb class 2 have adequate speeds for the HD2's needs?

Especially video recording? I've read reviews that say it performs more like a class 4 or class 6 card.

i just got a 32gb sdhc from ebay...then i seen this post :-/
Its a no-namer from hong kong...i hope its ok...Im now wondering the same! I got it because I seen that the linux/android dev has made some good progress.
Will it be ok for running android?

I haven't tried video recording yet, but for file transfer and the typical use of the HD2 (programs, GPS, view pics, video) the performance of the 16 gb class 2 of sandisk it's excellent, more than enough. I talk about an original Sandisk, bought in a shop, not an Ebay fake.
Best regards

Class two is 16 Mbit/s, so you should be fine.

my class 2 16mg sandisk card reaches up to 7MB/s transfer speeds via reader, so I suppose it's well more than enough for video recording.
I actually did some sessions of video recording at top quality (VGA via reg hack) and all went fine.

fracmo2000 said:
i just got a 32gb sdhc from ebay...then i seen this post :-/
Its a no-namer from hong kong...i hope its ok...Im now wondering the same! I got it because I seen that the linux/android dev has made some good progress.
Will it be ok for running android?
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check your card with h2testw.exe and see if it's not hacked memory. I had 2 x16GB no name cards from ebay and they appeard to be hacked, had only couple of gigs but under properties showed as 16GB

@ errorius
seriously? awww man...i was just to quick to buy without checking...seen it at £33 (free postage) for 32gb micro sdhc.
I will try the program you mentioned (do you have it and upload it somewhere?)
Thanks for the advice, i will check my card when it arrives. I have contacted the seller twice...no answer

fracmo2000 said:
@ errorius
seriously? awww man...i was just to quick to buy without checking...seen it at £33 (free postage) for 32gb micro sdhc.
I will try the program you mentioned (do you have it and upload it somewhere?)
Thanks for the advice, i will check my card when it arrives. I have contacted the seller twice...no answer
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yes, I'm very seriuos, just google for the file and you'll find it.
After this discovery i checked 16GB SD card that I ordered more than one year ago and I wasn't using it till now and I got same result as with sdhc. I will never order memory cards from china again.

luderdune said:
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I have a Sandisk class 2 16gb, no issues with file transfer or video recording, works like a dream.
I use it for storing vids that I then watch on train journeys, works perfectly.

Class 2 is definately not 16mb/s. That must be an 'upto' kind of info!
Using cleanex rom and connected via disk drive mode i get 10-11mb/s read and 5-6mb/s write speeds with my class6 16gb card.
i tried the 2gb class2 sandisk i got with the phone and i only get 4-5mb/s read and 1.5-2mb/s write speeds.
IMHO i think the class of the card makes significant difference. Just my 2 cents.

adeeb said:
Class 2 is definately not 16mb/s. That must be an 'upto' kind of info!
Using cleanex rom and connected via disk drive mode i get 10-11mb/s read and 5-6mb/s write speeds with my class6 16gb card.
i tried the 2gb class2 sandisk i got with the phone and i only get 4-5mb/s read and 1.5-2mb/s write speeds.
IMHO i think the class of the card makes significant difference. Just my 2 cents.
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i think you're getting a tiny bit confused between megabits per second (Mb/s) and megabytes per second (MB/s)

ran H2testw on the 32gb card i got off ebay, doesnt look good;
Warning: Only 31979 of 31980 MByte tested.
The media is likely to be defective.
1.9 GByte OK (4048864 sectors)
29.2 GByte DATA LOST (61444128 sectors)
Details:29.2 GByte overwritten (61444128 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
0 KByte corrupted (0 sectors)
16 MByte aliased memory (32768 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x000000007a8fc000
Expected: 0x000000007a8fc000
Found: 0x00000007ce8fc000
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 3.66 MByte/s
Reading speed: 7.06 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
i bet the guy just sticks the number three on the cards himself

how is that surprising?
Plus, it's offtopic, the thread is about 16GB microsd cards speed

I had mentioned it on page one and another user told me to run the program when it arrived...did it really require its own thread?
Anybody know where i stand with this thing? I new with ebay (i did use paypal)...unsure at what to do next

fracmo2000 said:
I had mentioned it on page one and another user told me to run the program when it arrived...did it really require its own thread?
Anybody know where i stand with this thing? I new with ebay (i did use paypal)...unsure at what to do next
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At first contact the seller and include information from the test and if he refuses to refund you can contact ebay about this item or you can go directly to paypal and ask them for refund, but dont forget to include information you have.
And don't forget to leave negative feedback stating fake memory.

[Q] SD or SDHC

Looking to get myself a 32gb card.
Just wondering if the play uses SD or SDHC memory cards, or ok with either?

it uses microsd and microsdhc
regular sd card wont do

Yeah, obviously I know it's micro.
Just wasn't sure about the sdhc.
Cheers

It's ok with both sd and sdhc but I think it's not compatible with sdxc (if you'd ever like to get to 2TB maybe it can come in an update, My htc wizard got sdhc support with an unofficial driver update).

A 32 gig card will work just fine with the Play.

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A 32 gig card will work just fine with the Play.
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I heard there's problems with class 10 32 gig micros on android phones. Is this true?

i'm curious about this, some applications wont work with a class 2 speed sd.
sd or sdhc would do. you should be more worried about the speed. as for now you should think of either getting a class 6 16gb or class 4 32gb (if you could find one).

bewrong666 said:
i'm curious about this, some applications wont work with a class 2 speed sd.
sd or sdhc would do. you should be more worried about the speed. as for now you should think of either getting a class 6 16gb or class 4 32gb (if you could find one).
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I was thinking of getting this class 10 32gb micro, Fast enough?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220547&Tpk=32gb micro sd

I have class 10 32gb, works fine on xperia play.
The only problem android has, is you cant format 32gb cards on your phone. But most, if not all cards come pre-formatted anyway. Otherwise you have to connect the card with an adapter to your pc to format it.
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You can format 32gb cards on your phone, but it wont format properly and you will have issues. I did with my old phone, it couldnt scan the card properly and it would reboot while trying to scan.

emann56 said:
I was thinking of getting this class 10 32gb micro, Fast enough?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220547&Tpk=32gb micro sd
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now that's something
read most of the reviews: crashes and corrupts the files, some even only last within 24 hours i'll stick with the class 4 32gb for now

even with the sandisk 32gb class 2 cards, i already replaced 2 of them when they crapped out on me

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even with the sandisk 32gb class 2 cards, i already replaced 2 of them when they crapped out on me
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haven't read anything about this. and the reviews for a kingston 32gb class 4 on the net has been great so far. but if this will be the case i might just go for a 16gb class 6

Ok, so I got a 32gb card, moved all of my stuff off my 16gb (about 14 gig) to my pc. Took about 20 minutes.
Put my 32 gig in, formatted it & transferred everything over.
Took about 3 hours & when I put it in my play it's saying there's 28 gig left & hardly anything I set to transfer has actually gone to the card ! ?

Do a full format and not a quick format.

Ive seen a class 10 32gb micro sd card for 50 quid, but im worried that its too cheap and might not last long.
Sent from my Xperia Play using Tapatalk

Memory cards are very reliable IF you bought the original ones and not those unbranded fake cards.
I've never had issues with ALL my memory cards, from the SmartMedia, SD, MS stick and Compact Flash cards used in my Palm and Sony Clie PDAs, my DSLR and micro 4/3 digital cameras, PSPs and DSL and all the way to the microSD cards used in my smartphones and tablets. I purchased them all from local reputable shops and never bought any from online stores. Can't remember the exact figures but I probably had a total of 30 to 40 cards here in my house.
The problem I see is those cards that are found on online shops that are unbranded (anything not Sandisk, Kingston, Lexar, Panasonic etc are all semi-fakes). Just imagine that Sandisk the world's largest NAND Flash memory maker has yet to come out with a 32GB Class 10 microSD as of now and you can already find some smaller unknown companies selling them at very cheap prices since many months back?
Sometimes if a deal is too good to be true, IT IS too good to be true! Of course if you still proceed to get them due to their ridiculously cheap prices, the risk is all yours. For me, I just buy the originals at original prices and not regret it later, my data is much more important to me than saving tens of bucks.
For some reason, there are quite a lot of fake Kingston cards on the market so beware.
Various issues with the fake/unbranded cards are:
1. Reliability
2. On a 32GB card, you may actually get only 4 or 8GB storage, some tricks were added in these fake cards such that once you copied beyond the 4 or 8GB capacity, it automatically loops back internally to overwrite the oldest copied data.
3. Some 32GB Class 10 cards only had Class 2 speeds.
Another advice is that for smartphone usage, you may be better off getting Class 2 or 4 cards rather than higher class cards. This is because although the class 6 or 10 cards can have sequential readings and writings at their stated class speeds, in terms of random access of data on the card they may actually be slower than Class 2 and 4 cards. In other words, you'll get more lags using higher Class cards.

Here's a test I did with a Patriot LX Series Class 10 32GB Micro SDHC

recce5 said:
Another advice is that for smartphone usage, you may be better off getting Class 2 or 4 cards rather than higher class cards. This is because although the class 6 or 10 cards can have sequential readings and writings at their stated class speeds, in terms of random access of data on the card they may actually be slower than Class 2 and 4 cards. In other words, you'll get more lags using higher Class cards.
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You sir are correct! My Patriot 32gb micro class 10 lags alot When playing the FPSE the game lags too much but with the micro sd card that came with the Xperia play runs perfect I'm gonna return the card and just get a Sandisk 32gb class 2 from newegg.

Recce5
After doing a test of manually copying content to the card I believe I have fallen foul to buying a cheapo card covered by your point 2.
I've bought quite a few cheapo cards back from my old K750i & PSP days but this is the 1st one I've been stung with.
Live & learn etc !