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[tracking] Nexus 1.5 (3G bands 1, 2, 5)

So apparently Google is coming out with a N1.5 with 3G Band I (2100Mhz), II (1900Mz) and V (850Mhz), versus the N1 Bands I (2100Mhz), IV (1700Mhz) and VIII (900Mhz).
I do not understand why Google's flagship HTC handset doesn't support every frequency and they (whomever "they" may be) simply enable/disable in software?!
Anyway, I guess this means N1.5 will work on AT&T 3G.
Any insider tracking the Google release date for the AT&T capable Nexus?

Care to share an actual source?

Refering to this i assume.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/01/nexus_one_on_att_3g/

Yeah, I saw this a long time ago. There was an article on cnet.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-10444986-266.html

lpasq said:
I do not understand why Google's flagship HTC handset doesn't support every frequency and they (whomever "they" may be) simply enable/disable in software?!
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The hardware does not exist for any radio to include all 6 3G frequencies.

j.bruha said:
The hardware does not exist for any radio to include all 6 3G frequencies.
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i thought the bb9700 supports all? http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010...-blackberrys-3g-bands-are-no-longer-relevant/

uberingram said:
Care to share an actual source?
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no official source. just internet surfing and that's why i am asking here to hear if anyone has update info... like maybe a google or htc spy

I was told by my AT&T representative for the SE region of RS that the phone is ready and is being tested to meet AT&T specs for speed on not only 3G but the upgraded HSPA networks. They however did not specify a date other than 2010 for the AT&T version. Soooo.... we shall see, normally they are right with the products coming to the market, like the Moto backflip which I knew personally was going to AT&T over a year ago.
-Charlie

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I was told by my AT&T representative for the SE region of RS that the phone is ready and is being tested to meet AT&T specs for speed on not only 3G but the upgraded HSPA networks. They however did not specify a date other than 2010 for the AT&T version. Soooo.... we shall see, normally they are right with the products coming to the market, like the Moto backflip which I knew personally was going to AT&T over a year ago.
-Charlie
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Did you know they would cripple the Backflip into a piece of **** a year ago too?

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Did you know they would cripple the Backflip into a piece of **** a year ago too?
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LOL this I didn't, being an avid android lover from day one my AT&T rep got to know me because of the question when we would get an android device.
But AT&T being the best service in my area I can't wait for this!
-Charlie

dahui9: thanks for sharing what you heard

There is no chipset/antenna design that supports all UMTS bands at the same time. The bgr was just wrong, there are two distinct bb9700: one for t-mobile and one for att.

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Did you know they would cripple the Backflip into a piece of **** a year ago too?
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Yeah, that is a sad excuse of an Android phone. ATT is going the way of the big V. No open access to an open source project.
Just stupid if you ask me.

ryan22158 said:
Yeah, that is a sad excuse of an Android phone. ATT is going the way of the big V. No open access to an open source project.
Just stupid if you ask me.
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I wonder what they are going to do to the nexus..remove the unlockable bootloader perhaps? I also wonder if Verizon is going to do the same...
Being on ATT with a nexus one, I really do want to be excited by this news as I am tired of being on edge (thankfully I have wifi available most of the time), but I am concerned about the lengths ATT will go to after seeing what they pulled with the backflip.
I will just sit and wait and watch. Worst case scenario, my cell contract will run dry next year and if ATT buggers up the nexus I can always migrate to TMO with a new contract...best case scenario...I can sell my current nexus to offset the cost of a new one that will take advantage of ATT's 3g...hopefully by then all those dreaded iphones will have moved on reducing the dropped call rate and slow 3g found in my area (seattle).

Two changes needed to support different 3G bands:
1. Antenna
2. Baseband firmware

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There is no chipset/antenna design that supports all UMTS bands at the same time. The bgr was just wrong, there are two distinct bb9700: one for t-mobile and one for att.
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oh. i get it know. thanks volker1
deprecate said:
I wonder what they are going to do to the nexus..remove the unlockable bootloader perhaps? I also wonder if Verizon is going to do the same...
Being on ATT with a nexus one, I really do want to be excited by this news as I am tired of being on edge (thankfully I have wifi available most of the time), but I am concerned about the lengths ATT will go to after seeing what they pulled with the backflip.
I will just sit and wait and watch. Worst case scenario, my cell contract will run dry next year and if ATT buggers up the nexus I can always migrate to TMO with a new contract...best case scenario...I can sell my current nexus to offset the cost of a new one that will take advantage of ATT's 3g...hopefully by then all those dreaded iphones will have moved on reducing the dropped call rate and slow 3g found in my area (seattle).
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deprecate: i feel your pain. i wore out my tilt waiting for tilt2...got tired of waiting after device released on other carriers first...and ordered a rogers magic in frustration. now i wonder if google saves us all by selling a google nexus unlocked running att 3g band(s). anyway, i'm an android convert and glad to be. though you lack 3g, you have an awesome device

lpasq said:
oh. i get it know. thanks volker1
deprecate: i feel your pain. i wore out my tilt waiting for tilt2...got tired of waiting after device released on other carriers first...and ordered a rogers magic in frustration. now i wonder if google saves us all by selling a google nexus unlocked running att 3g band(s). anyway, i'm an android convert and glad to be. though you lack 3g, you have an awesome device
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Oh I know it. The moment I got rid of my G1 in favour of an iphone when I swtiched from tmo -> att I knew I made a mistake...
I have zero regrets about having the nexus; here's hoping ATT doesn't get a bug up its arse and handicap an amazing device because they seem to run their company as though they have pants on their heads.

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OFFICIAL -- Nexus One Coming to Sprint -- Press release inside.

I guess I know what my next upgrade will be.
Nexus One from Google Coming to Sprint; Availability Date Announced Soon
Nexus One(TM) is planned for the Sprint Mobile Broadband Network with twice the network coverage of AT&T and ten times the network coverage of T-Mobile, both by square miles; Expands Sprint's Android(TM) portfolio
OVERLAND PARK, Kan., Mar 17, 2010 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Nexus One, the first wireless phone sold through Google(TM)'s web store, is planned for Sprint's 3G Mobile Broadband Network. Sprint (NYSE:S) will announce pricing and an exact availability date soon. Nexus One will benefit from Sprint's 3G network with twice the coverage of AT&T and 10 times the coverage of T-Mobile, both based on square miles.1
Sprint currently has America's largest voice calling area of any carrier reaching more than 307 million people in the U.S., Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands with a Sprint phone and plan that includes roaming. PC World recently said no one has a more reliable network than Sprint in a 13 city 3G performance test.2 Customers can check the quality of network coverage with street level mapping at sprint.com/coverage.
"Nexus One is a powerful device that belongs on a powerful network. This is another step in our continued partnership of innovation with Google," said Fared Adib, Sprint vice president of product development. "Sprint customers already have the option of two amazing Android devices with Samsung Moment(TM) and HTC Hero(TM). It is a natural fit for us to add Nexus One to the list of choices available for Sprint customers who want the best value in wireless with the best in Android."
More after the jump:
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoe...ol-newsArticle_newsroom&ID=1403426&highlight=
EDIT: "A pricing plan has not yet been determined for Nexus One..." Hmmm... I hope I don't have to fork over $500 for this thing.

Oh hell yes !!

illogic6 said:
I guess I know what my next upgrade will be.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoe...ol-newsArticle_newsroom&ID=1403426&highlight=
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NICE FIND !!! Now let the deliberation begin....... N1 or Supersonic hmmmm

It says it'll be on 3g not 4g....

good find im torn between that and the supersonic atleast if the supersonic falls through i can always get the N1! thanks for sharing the article gives me something to look foward to ...not that i dont love my hero or anything

Thats cool, but now that the supersonic is coming there is no way I would downgrade to a N1. Thats just me though.

That is indeed very exciting. The N1 is a very very very nice phone.

JIZZ IN MY PANTS. am getting it

whichever comes out first will be what i get. supersonic is bad and all but i love the nexus. not to mention the incredible Dev support on the nexus. i live in ky so i could care less about 4g haha. man today has been a good cell phone day

Wow, decisions decisions. Dont know which I'd prefer, the Nexus One or Supersonic.
- 4g would be great but I doubt it'll be available in my area for a while. AND, although I love sense UI, it has obviously kept my Sprint Hero at ver. 1.5. I'm not happy about that.
- N1 is a Google phone so it'll receive all updates as soon as they come out. Plus, I like the noise cancelling mic.

Avalaunchmods said:
whichever comes out first will be what i get. supersonic is bad and all but i love the nexus. not to mention the incredible Dev support on the nexus. i live in ky so i could care less about 4g haha. man today has been a good cell phone day
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I'll agree with you on that one... except that we'll be in the same boat as we are with the GSM Hero...
Nexus CDMA will probably not be compatible with all the Nexus GSM ROMs etc without extra work.
Not a huge deal... better to be that close to the first N1 so we can port their stuff than to have some random crazy phone no one has been developing for.
Also, being able to root more easily would be nice.

Is_907 said:
I'll agree with you on that one... except that we'll be in the same boat as we are with the GSM Hero...
Nexus CDMA will probably not be compatible with all the Nexus GSM ROMs etc without extra work.
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Yes but by doing this Google is essentially giving CDMA more attention/work. It seems like the phone manufacturers where doing hacks(it is fact for the hero) to get CDMA to work. CDMA has been supported since 1.6 but now it seems like Google is fully acknowledging it.

ONLY 2 MONTHS after I got the hero. I wonder if it will have a nice subsidized price?

I hated my Hero up until a 2.1 rom I put on there.....I'm interested in a faster phone to remind me of my iPhone (LOL). I will get whichever is cheapest

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ONLY 2 MONTHS after I got the hero. I wonder if it will have a nice subsidized price?
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It had better. Too broke for a $500 price point.
If that was the case, at least it would make the N1/Supersonic decision easy.

the nexus will be my next upgrade come late this summer then.

this news sucks... only because it makes the decision harder for me Either way, I can't do anything until October when my full rebate kicks in. I will never pay full price for one of these things!

Apex i ITR said:
I hated my Hero up until a 2.1 rom I put on there.....I'm interested in a faster phone to remind me of my iPhone (LOL). I will get whichever is cheapest
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My stock hero was faster than my iPhone 3G and now that Im running 2.1 it's pretty similar in speed to all the 3Gs' I've used.

ill be getting the super sonic...why you ask
snapdragon
4g built in
bigger, higher res screen

Hrm...better list this hero now eh?

EVDO Sucks Will there be a GSM Model?

Why is it that all the coolest gadgets get to one of the worst carriers first? I love the specs of the Supersonic (EVO 4G) or whatever you want to call it. The problem is with Sprint. I've tested HTC EVDO products (HTC Titan) back to back with HTC GSM products (HTC TyTN). The CDMA products suck battery life much more quickly than the GSM products. If found this on almost every Sprint and Verizon CDMA smartphone. This is probably why the the Supersonic has a larger battery.
Also, it is true that some CDMA products do not allow simultaneous data and voice transmission. This may not be true of this device because it will be able to do CDMA for phone and WimaX for data. I am very interested in this device but I'd be much more interested if this device were on AT&T or even T-Mobile.
I am loving the HD2 running on AT&T. But I'd love more internal memory, the front facing camera, the kickstand, the better camera, etc.

sprint is the cheapest carrier, but valid point with battery useage. I also don't particularly like having to get an "OK" from sprint to change phones. Wish you could use a SIM card.
question though... how often are you browsing the web or using data while talking on the phone? I can't think of one instance in my past 10 years with a cell phone that I needed data while talking. If you're on the net, your data gets put on hold untill after your phone call is over. Back when I had dialup, my phone service offered a similar feature, and cdma does the exact same thing.
As far as everything else, speeds, coverage, dropped calls, annoying but I hear complaints from customers from all the different carriers, it's a cell phone thing.
OH! and where's my damn sprint iPhone? I'm calling BS on cdma getting all the cool toys... I had to wait a year before sprint finally got an android phone, while t-mobile / att had all types of phones that could be used on their network *rage*
let us have our moment in the spotlight for once.... sheesh

hold on boy
i think sprint is the better than att all the way. at least here in San Francisco.
The plans are better than att.
i have friends with their iphones and their internet sucks compare with my htc pro 2 on sprint.
And htc evo data details.
4g + data= Works
3g + data= No
wifi+data=Works
I can't wait for this phone.

No matter what carrier get the cool things first there is always some spoiled brat shouting out loud.

OH! and where's my damn sprint iPhone? I'm calling BS on cdma getting all the cool toys... I had to wait a year before sprint finally got an android phone, while t-mobile / att had all types of phones that could be used on their network *rage*
let us have our moment in the spotlight for once.... sheesh
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This.
No matter what carrier get the cool things first there is always some spoiled brat shouting out loud.
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And this @ OP.

I really really hope there is a GSM version coming out soon.

lol there is gonna be a GSM version no doubt. there will definitely be a variant of the Supersonic(aka EVO 4G here in the US for Sprint) in Europe/overseas NO DOUBT that you'll only be able to use on EDGE here but there will probably also be a GSM variant here in the states for another carrier that is basically the same phone but a little different and with different radios or whatever. an example would be the supersonic for t-mobile, lets say their first HSPA+ compatible phone or something, they call it whatever they want and HTC basically makes it for them using the core parts of the supersonic and keeps everything like android and whatnot and just changes up the radio and changes CDMA to GSM and puts in tmo's 3g bands in the radio, and whatever other physical changes t-mo may want like the buttons and whatever.

rambo6 said:
Why is it that all the coolest gadgets get to one of the worst carriers first? I love the specs of the Supersonic (EVO 4G) or whatever you want to call it. The problem is with Sprint. I've tested HTC EVDO products (HTC Titan) back to back with HTC GSM products (HTC TyTN). The CDMA products suck battery life much more quickly than the GSM products. If found this on almost every Sprint and Verizon CDMA smartphone. This is probably why the the Supersonic has a larger battery.
Also, it is true that some CDMA products do not allow simultaneous data and voice transmission. This may not be true of this device because it will be able to do CDMA for phone and WimaX for data. I am very interested in this device but I'd be much more interested if this device were on AT&T or even T-Mobile.
I am loving the HD2 running on AT&T. But I'd love more internal memory, the front facing camera, the kickstand, the better camera, etc.
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Last time i checked, Sprint (and by extension CDMA) usually gets last dibs on the cool phones. Name them...Touch Diamond/Pro/Pro 2, HTC Hero, Nexus 1. They never even carried the Touch Diamond 2 till today.

it is true, I wish there were sim cards.. but other than that, in the bay area, sprint kicks ass!
I have never gotten one dropped call since I got my hero, and I talk 2000+ minutes a month. I have 3g almost everywhere.
Also, no matter what people say, sprint has amazing customer service. I mean, at least you don't get put on the line with some indian guy half way around the world who just tells you to turn your phone off then on again...
oh and, at&t just sucks... no matter what hahah I'm glad sprint is stepping up to the plate. they offer amazing deals, great phones (as of now) and I think, are starting to move up in the world

There is a GSM variant, Its called the HD2.

Shadow591 said:
There is a GSM variant, Its called the HD2.
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iseewutyoudidthere
but sadly you're wrong.

gmelchert said:
it is true, I wish there were sim cards.. but other than that, in the bay area, sprint kicks ass!
I have never gotten one dropped call since I got my hero, and I talk 2000+ minutes a month. I have 3g almost everywhere.
Also, no matter what people say, sprint has amazing customer service. I mean, at least you don't get put on the line with some indian guy half way around the world who just tells you to turn your phone off then on again...
oh and, at&t just sucks... no matter what hahah I'm glad sprint is stepping up to the plate. they offer amazing deals, great phones (as of now) and I think, are starting to move up in the world
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AT&T does suck, but I'm stuck on them. I use Sprint for my data service (aircards FTW) and they have AMAZING customer service. Whereas AT&T just *****es about everything and tells you how wrong you are, then tells you how happy they are you stay them. If they didn't have such fast 3G (which in my rural area isn't crowded, so it is reliable) I would switch to Sprint in a heartbeat. Too bad EvDo pretty much sucks
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Or the Nexus

I think the battery suck issue is not so bad given the fact that you can get almost unlimited voice, data, and messaging (of all sorts), plus turn by turn GPS+traffic routing, for $70/mo, less with discounts.
Where's AT&T or TMo's 4G network? I don't hear them actually deploying LTE in any other market other than testing. Kudos to Sprint... psyched for EVO.

ok, so the deal with this phone, ive been reading up on the specs, 4g (6mb/s) is 10x faster then 3g(300mb/s) i run off clearwire internet witch happens to run off the same exact wi-max as sprint and let me tell you, it is FAST. the processor in the phone is a massive 1ghz! for a phone, thats a overkill, plus 588mb of ram... i cant wait to try to overload this phone... probaly take 50+ apps running at once... 4.3 inch touch screen, 8 mega pixel camera, android 2.1 (unless they release a update before the phone is released) i say all in all this phone is going to be by far the fastest android phone on the market, and PS: the HTC HD2 IS the same exact phone just running WinMo 6.5, slightly better processor but clocked the same, same ram, same screen size, its the same phone with a slightly different button layout.
you can check out the side by side specs here

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There is a GSM variant, Its called the HD2.
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The HD2 doesn't run Android.

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Wrong OS, mate.

he did say "variant"
as in its not exactly the same but close, a knockoff, cousin, whatever. everything is almost identical spec wise just the os is different. thus its a variant. if GSM'ers want the evo in a gsm model. you could help with the port of android to the hd2. just a thought.
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It's not really a variant. The OS makes them completely different. One is full of future; another is just about dead. Unless someone could port a high quality and well tested Android into it, then it would be a different story.

Well I the closes variant to the Evo 4g is the Desire or Nexus One. If you can do away with the 4.3 inch screen, 4g Wimax, 8MP camera and the extra memory. Well the year is young, so who knows.

Sprint is great in Minneapolis.
Come to papa Evo.

unlocked tmobile using AT&T

i have a unlocked hd2 using AT&T i know they say it wont get 3g unless i bought the australian version but every once a and a while it will get 3g for 20 sec to a minute or so am i the only one experiencing this

That sucks, I was hoping to be able to move this to AT&T eventually. There's no point if there's no 3G though.

AT&T and T-Mobile uses different 3G bands. There is no way you will ever get AT&T 3G on a T-Mobile 3G phone.

to get a hd2 that can get at&ts 3g you have to buy hd2 t9193 thats an australian phone

OHHH NOOO!
CRAP! This is what I get for not doing my research properly. I have been absolutely HATING T-Mobiles network, I can go anywhere with my Tilt 2 and HD2 and the Tilt 2 ALWAYS has better reception and better G connections. T-Mobile is rolling out this new "Ultra G" but even if the speed hype is true, I seriously doubt that the COVERAGE will improve. And their coverage SUCKS! Ahh, but I love the HD2... Plan was, as others said, to move back to AT&T eventually, using this phone. NOW what do I do. Find an Aussie that wants to Trade?

no one will want to trade i recommend you sell yours craigslist or how ever then jump to eBay buy one from Australia cause if you bid on one of those t9193's that are here in the us expect to pay close to 800 if you buy from Australia you'll spend a little under 700

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i have a unlocked hd2 using AT&T i know they say it wont get 3g unless i bought the australian version but every once a and a while it will get 3g for 20 sec to a minute or so am i the only one experiencing this
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I too have noticed this. Especially on the northern side of the DC area. I've driven through and each time I get the 3G symbol for a little bit and then it drops out. So you're not crazy or anything else. I'm glad you shared this because I was wondering also.

makes me think that some type for software would enable AT&Ts 3g on the US hd2

I wonder also if they have the 850 mghz one in their supply chain and don't know it or don't care and have released them. I'm heading back the same way again this week, so I'll keep my eyes on my phone. I wish there was a way to tell what chip it is and what bands it will pick up.

They couldn't "just release" or enable cross-band functionality like that without clearing with the FCC first, and that hasn't happened. When the HD2 first received it's license it was certified to exclusively work on the bands specified, and AT&T's were not among those. And, even if you were able to "hack" it to work, you'd likely be violating the law.

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They couldn't "just release" or enable cross-band functionality like that without clearing with the FCC first, and that hasn't happened. When the HD2 first received it's license it was certified to exclusively work on the bands specified, and AT&T's were not among those. And, even if you were able to "hack" it to work, you'd likely be violating the law.
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and apple say jailbreaking there devices is violating the law too right. thats never stopped people from using there talent before

memphis550 said:
and apple say jailbreaking there devices is violating the law too right. thats never stopped people from using there talent before
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I guess but it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison because you don't have to defy the laws of physics to jailbreak an iphone...but you would have to do just that to get the HD2 to work on AT&T's 3G bands.

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I guess but it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison because you don't have to defy the laws of physics to jailbreak an iphone...but you would have to do just that to get the HD2 to work on AT&T's 3G bands.
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well if you remember the first iphone jailbreak hats off to GEOHOT was a hardware and software jailbreak. i my search how to make my hd2 get 3g on AT&T i want to know what do you think if i'm to buy a 3g antenna from htc.au and replace that with my 3g antenna what do you think

[Q] Is Sprint worth keeping?

I love Sprint. I always have. For what I use them for, which is primarily internet, they are the fastest. Great prices, great phones (now at least) and the fastest 3g, and though not in my area, now 4g. Plus my laptop now has 4g built in, though I'm sure you need Clear for that and not Sprint. But I digress. I don't like ATT nor do I like Verizon. I used to have T Mobile under my brother's old employee plan and though I didn't have too many problems with them their coverage was still not as good as Sprint's. However, they do have HSPA+ and they always get the newest Android phones. Plus, HSPA+ is in my area. Now, my contract is up in October some time so i'd wait till then most likely but what is everyone's opinion? Since Verizon DSL sucks ass and I work from home I need an internet connection and some 4g WiMax would be real nice when DSL kicks out on me (besides, my 3Mbps connection I pay for only yields 1.73 Mbps at the most so WiMax would be faster anyway). So the question is, especially to those who have WiMax right now and, preferably, those who have tried TMo's HSPA+ network, if WiMax is not in my area by October 2011, do I stay with Sprint and just go month to month or upgrade my phone or whatnot or do I jump ship to Tmo and get instant, multiple mobile megabit (say that three times fast) gratification?
I'm sure most of you will say Sprint and generally I would too. Especially with the unlimited mobile to mobile regardless of carrier and since my girlfriend has Sprint, Sprint is the most attractive option. But is HSPA+ right now, LTE in the future and the prospect of the coolest Android phones (and most importantly, dev phones) first worth it or is Sprint and their blazing (hey, King of Prussia, PA, after the first or second WiMax firmware update, had speeds of 7+Mbps!) fast WiMax network (which will be more mature than the others by the time they are widespread) worth waiting for? Even after Sprint gets WiMax over here, is it worth keeping or should I switch? Such a hard decision that I have 9 months to make

Unless Sprint comes out with a bad a$$ phone (and I mean really bad a$$), I'm probably going to jump ship and go to t-mobile or verizon once my contract is up.
Pocket posted, just not sure how...

chuckhriczko said:
I love Sprint. I always have. For what I use them for, which is primarily internet, they are the fastest. Great prices, great phones (now at least) and the fastest 3g, and though not in my area, now 4g. Plus my laptop now has 4g built in, though I'm sure you need Clear for that and not Sprint. But I digress. I don't like ATT nor do I like Verizon. I used to have T Mobile under my brother's old employee plan and though I didn't have too many problems with them their coverage was still not as good as Sprint's. However, they do have HSPA+ and they always get the newest Android phones. Plus, HSPA+ is in my area. Now, my contract is up in October some time so i'd wait till then most likely but what is everyone's opinion? Since Verizon DSL sucks ass and I work from home I need an internet connection and some 4g WiMax would be real nice when DSL kicks out on me (besides, my 3Mbps connection I pay for only yields 1.73 Mbps at the most so WiMax would be faster anyway). So the question is, especially to those who have WiMax right now and, preferably, those who have tried TMo's HSPA+ network, if WiMax is not in my area by October 2011, do I stay with Sprint and just go month to month or upgrade my phone or whatnot or do I jump ship to Tmo and get instant, multiple mobile megabit (say that three times fast) gratification?
I'm sure most of you will say Sprint and generally I would too. Especially with the unlimited mobile to mobile regardless of carrier and since my girlfriend has Sprint, Sprint is the most attractive option. But is HSPA+ right now, LTE in the future and the prospect of the coolest Android phones (and most importantly, dev phones) first worth it or is Sprint and their blazing (hey, King of Prussia, PA, after the first or second WiMax firmware update, had speeds of 7+Mbps!) fast WiMax network (which will be more mature than the others by the time they are widespread) worth waiting for? Even after Sprint gets WiMax over here, is it worth keeping or should I switch? Such a hard decision that I have 9 months to make
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I left T-Mobile to come to Sprint for exactly the opposite reasons you're thinking about going.
Ehem *adjusts pedestal*
T-Mobile does have HSPA+ but it is far slower than Sprint's Wimax. Granted, you don't have Wimax yet, but when you do and you're getting less than half the speed on HSPA+ you'll understand why it was worth the wait.
Secondly, Sprint introduced the Evo in June of last year, not in January like everyone else did. The result? T-Mobile got the Moto Cliq (gag), ATT got... ... ...something and Verizon got another sequel to the Droid series. What did Sprint get 6 months later? The freaking Evo, a phone that's still a top of the line device even now. Can't say that about the CES releases from last year from the other 3.
T-Mobile does NOT get the newest and greatest Android phones. Keep in mind that the Galaxy S series went to every carrier, we got the Epic and T-Mob got the Vibrant. T-Mob got ripped off. The G2 seems like a nice device but I owned one and let me tell you something, the Evo kicks that things ass twice (twice because the G2 has two pieces...meaning 2 asses that must be kicked). The MyTouch 4g seemed nice, but it runs Expresso, not sense, which means it gets less attention than Sense will. They started Android with the G1, but Verizon and Sprint have the best Android phones (and coverage) to date. Since everyone hates Verizon because they're so damned expensive, Sprint is the clear winner when it comes to Android and service.
T-Mobile, ATT and Verizon seem like attractive choices because they're pumping out phones with new technology and things like that, but keep in mind that in the 6 months until Sprint releases their phone of the year, that technology is only going to get better...and that's what we'll be getting.
Patience, I jumped ship (yeah, paid the early termination fee and everything) from T-Mobile for a reason. They suck, their phones are AT BEST the top of the mid-range class and their "4g" is 2nd rate.

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I left T-Mobile to come to Sprint for exactly the opposite reasons you're thinking about going.
Ehem *adjusts pedestal*
T-Mobile does have HSPA+ but it is far slower than Sprint's Wimax. Granted, you don't have Wimax yet, but when you do and you're getting less than half the speed on HSPA+ you'll understand why it was worth the wait.
Secondly, Sprint introduced the Evo in June of last year, not in January like everyone else did. The result? T-Mobile got the Moto Cliq (gag), ATT got... ... ...something and Verizon got another sequel to the Droid series. What did Sprint get 6 months later? The freaking Evo, a phone that's still a top of the line device even now. Can't say that about the CES releases from last year from the other 3.
T-Mobile does NOT get the newest and greatest Android phones. Keep in mind that the Galaxy S series went to every carrier, we got the Epic and T-Mob got the Vibrant. T-Mob got ripped off. The G2 seems like a nice device but I owned one and let me tell you something, the Evo kicks that things ass twice (twice because the G2 has two pieces...meaning 2 asses that must be kicked). The MyTouch 4g seemed nice, but it runs Expresso, not sense, which means it gets less attention than Sense will. They started Android with the G1, but Verizon and Sprint have the best Android phones (and coverage) to date. Since everyone hates Verizon because they're so damned expensive, Sprint is the clear winner when it comes to Android and service.
T-Mobile, ATT and Verizon seem like attractive choices because they're pumping out phones with new technology and things like that, but keep in mind that in the 6 months until Sprint releases their phone of the year, that technology is only going to get better...and that's what we'll be getting.
Patience, I jumped ship (yeah, paid the early termination fee and everything) from T-Mobile for a reason. They suck, their phones are AT BEST the top of the mid-range class and their "4g" is 2nd rate.
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I also just jumped ship from t-mobile. They were expensive, coverage wasn't great and the customer service was heading down hill fast. I agree with the above post...they dont get top of the line phones, they get medium phones for teeny boppers. I had the vibrant, the g2 felt flimsy. I was going to get the mytouch 4g but it didn't blue me away either so I paid the etf and got the hell out

One thing to keep in mind is that T-Mobile is planning to upgrade 2/3's of their HSPA+ network to 42 Mbps. They are claiming real world download speeds of 25 Mbps. IMO, nothing beats getting a off contract, unlocked Nexus 1/S and paying something like $5-10 for unlimited data. They do however throttle after 5 GB, so something to keep in mind.

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I also just jumped ship from t-mobile. They were expensive, coverage wasn't great and the customer service was heading down hill fast. I agree with the above post...they dont get top of the line phones, they get medium phones for teeny boppers. I had the vibrant, the g2 felt flimsy. I was going to get the mytouch 4g but it didn't blue me away either so I paid the etf and got the hell out
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G2, MYT4G, Nexus S - all top of the line phones when they were released. Not sure what you are talking about.

For me personally there is no better carrier in my area. (Baltimore) and that is the most important factor for me. I have friends on BigRed and TMob and when they come to my house and were hanging out in the basement, they can't ever get a signal while I always have 3-4 bars in my house. Plus wherever I am I have great Wimax coverage when I want to use it....avg 7-8 mbps. And there is no comparison of the price factor so I dont even need to discuss that. Im on a family plan (Wife has a EVO too) and noone else can compare to the value of what im paying, so I could care less about what others are doing. Sprints on top of the game in this area.

new phones are coming ,they have 2
I want to see what the Evo 2 looks like, and not that cheese mini Evo

swaze said:
For me personally there is no better carrier in my area. (Baltimore) and that is the most important factor for me. I have friends on BigRed and TMob and when they come to my house and were hanging out in the basement, they can't ever get a signal while I always have 3-4 bars in my house. Plus wherever I am I have great Wimax coverage when I want to use it....avg 7-8 mbps. And there is no comparison of the price factor so I dont even need to discuss that. Im on a family plan (Wife has a EVO too) and noone else can compare to the value of what im paying, so I could care less about what others are doing. Sprints on top of the game in this area.
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No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.

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No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.
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Good for YOU perhaps, not me or my wife.

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No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.
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LMAO 500 minutes?!? have two teenage daughters who both text +6000 texts a month plus gab on the phone when not texting. I had Tmobile for the same type plan but without data on two out of three lines I was paying $30 more a month than I am now with sprint. And they said I was on my own when T-mobile pushed a bad update on my cliq that bricked it, even when I had insurance. I was left without a phone, sprint wouldnt do that either.

Sprint is building in a positive direction. T-Mobile isn't too bad but there service is extremely spotty. Verizon & At&t both shot themselves in the heart by locking into iPhone's.
Verizon won't hold the top spot for long with the addition of the iPhone. It really destroys customer service and Apple will limit what other smartphones they can carrier.
T-Mobile actually isn't too bad phone-wise or plan-wise but there service coverage is just tooo spotty. I believe T-Mobile and Sprint will be fighting for the top spot in the industry soon (Or might have a union planned). Reason being, they got the HD2 then Sprint says "Ohh Ohh look at me, checkmate, we've got the Evo!!"
AT&T = lost cause. I hope there cable tv can help them survive. They have too many devices and pretty much nothing that stands out. They were the last to come to the 4G party and won't be up to par anyway.
Now we have little old Sprint. I've been a customer for over 10 years. There customer service has grown leaps and bounds over the past year or so and they have proved they want to be industry leaders. They were the first to 4G, they were the first in the US to upgrade a device to Froyo, and come February 7th they will be the first CDMA carrier with a WP7 Device (And it'll be an HTC Device too). And even with the tiny $10 addon (that I've had for 6 months anyway), I'm still $20-$30 lower than I would be for the exact same thing at any other carrier.
Long live Sprint!!

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No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.
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chuckhriczko said:
I love Sprint. I always have. For what I use them for, which is primarily internet, they are the fastest. Great prices, great phones (now at least) and the fastest 3g, and though not in my area, now 4g. Plus my laptop now has 4g built in, though I'm sure you need Clear for that and not Sprint. But I digress. I don't like ATT nor do I like Verizon. I used to have T Mobile under my brother's old employee plan and though I didn't have too many problems with them their coverage was still not as good as Sprint's. However, they do have HSPA+ and they always get the newest Android phones. Plus, HSPA+ is in my area. Now, my contract is up in October some time so i'd wait till then most likely but what is everyone's opinion? Since Verizon DSL sucks ass and I work from home I need an internet connection and some 4g WiMax would be real nice when DSL kicks out on me (besides, my 3Mbps connection I pay for only yields 1.73 Mbps at the most so WiMax would be faster anyway). So the question is, especially to those who have WiMax right now and, preferably, those who have tried TMo's HSPA+ network, if WiMax is not in my area by October 2011, do I stay with Sprint and just go month to month or upgrade my phone or whatnot or do I jump ship to Tmo and get instant, multiple mobile megabit (say that three times fast) gratification?
I'm sure most of you will say Sprint and generally I would too. Especially with the unlimited mobile to mobile regardless of carrier and since my girlfriend has Sprint, Sprint is the most attractive option. But is HSPA+ right now, LTE in the future and the prospect of the coolest Android phones (and most importantly, dev phones) first worth it or is Sprint and their blazing (hey, King of Prussia, PA, after the first or second WiMax firmware update, had speeds of 7+Mbps!) fast WiMax network (which will be more mature than the others by the time they are widespread) worth waiting for? Even after Sprint gets WiMax over here, is it worth keeping or should I switch? Such a hard decision that I have 9 months to make
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Here's my comments to this:
HSPA+ on T-mobile? Cool. Except for the fact that my friend has a G2 with it and I can download apps from the market faster on Sprint's 3g than he can on HSPA+
T-mobile gets the best phones? Not really. And there's no indication they will be getting any of the CES talked phones anytime soon.
I think you're considering leaving Sprint at the wrong time.
Things are looking up. They're adding new customers for the first time in years.
They are getting real good phones that are comparable or better than the other carriers. [The Epic and Evo were considered the "best phones in the world" last year, for example]
Sprint is hands down the cheapest.
Their network coverage is second only to Verizon, and allows for free roaming on Verizon as well.
WiMax will come to your area, eventually.
I'm telling you right now though, HSPA+ is slow.
Sprint's 3g is better.
And no, I don't care about some study taken in the perfect settings, I care about reality.
HSPA+ on T-mobile with full bars is slower than Sprint's 3g with half bars.
I did the test myself.

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G2, MYT4G, Nexus S - all top of the line phones when they were released. Not sure what you are talking about.
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I was referring to the crappy design of the g2(hinge), the nexus is top dog, but its a samsung and no sd card slot (wtf?) and the mt4g is great, but I was thinking about support and tmo's lack of timely upgrades. They are more geared towards the younger crowd and not towards tech heads...just my opinion

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Now we have little old Sprint. I've been a customer for over 10 years. There customer service has grown leaps and bounds over the past year or so and they have proved they want to be industry leaders. They were the first to 4G, they were the first in the US to upgrade a device to Froyo, and come February 7th they will be the first CDMA carrier with a WP7 Device (And it'll be an HTC Device too). And even with the tiny $10 addon (that I've had for 6 months anyway), I'm still $20-$30 lower than I would be for the exact same thing at any other carrier.
Long live Sprint!!
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I too have been a long time sprint customer; you hit it spot on with this post.
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I just came from tmob as well. I for one was pleased with their coverage and service.... for the most part. I had the N1 and damn near cried when I had to hand it over to the Sprint guy for the buy back.
However, I was getting really tired of dropping calls with my wife. That's a local coverage thing but it didn't seem to matter where she or I was, we would get disconnected a lot. We had also started to go over on our minutes which was getting rather pricey.
The last nail in the coffin was when the wife's BB9700 took a crap on her just 1 month after the warranty expired.... big surprise right?
We looked at the Vibrant. Meh. Still on 2.1 (my wife is not into modding her phone or anything so rooted roms don't count for her).
We looked at the G2. Even the tmob salesman said that the hinge mechanism was a piece of crap and didn't recommend the phone.
We looked at the Mytouch 4G. Meh. Running that horrible espresso overlay and you lose the search button for that "Genius" button that couldn't even tell me where the nearest McDonald's was.
So we went to check out Sprint. I always knew that the EVO was one of the top notch pieces of hardware out there and I'm not about to pay the retarded rates that Verizon charges.
So far, very happy with the phone. It's still not my Sexy Nexy but I've got almost all of the same stuff going on it now.
So far, mostly happy with Sprint. No BS when I call with questions. Absolutely no BS when I took my wife's EVO in because the power button wouldn't click. Still worked, just wouldn't click... They replaced it on the spot.... not the button, the whole damn phone. Coverage in my area is so-so. That's to be expected where I live though.
My biggest beef with Sprint is that I can't use data while I'm using voice. That sucks but it isn't a deal breaker.
So, to the OP, I would take a long hard look at how the two carriers compare around the time that you are looking to switch. Then I would look at the hardware available at the time. Then I would make the choice.

T-Mobile has ****-tastic service in Chicago, they blow monkey balls here. The worst building penetration, good luck getting calls in an Basement Office on T-Mobile, or inside skyscrapers. And just random dropped calls daily. I had T-Mo for 3yrs on a few different phones, and all had the same crap service. I traded in my EVO for the Nexus-S at Christmas, ( I am a cell phone addict always upgrading ) anyways, and a week later came running back to Sprint and my EVO. Nexus-S was a cool phone, just not on T-Mo.
6 months I have been on Sprint has been fantastic. Sprint in Chicago is near perfect, never a dropped call, but like once a month maybe, and I get full bars in the Sears Tower, and in Basements. Plus their monthly plan is right there with T-Mo, very good pricing, much cheaper than ATT and Verizon.
And wait until this Summer, when the best smart phone on the market comes out = EVO 2, you will be pissed your on T-Mo.
Bottom Line; yes stick with Sprint. Sprint is the best deal right now, but to me the EVO line is all they got going, which is all I care about anyways, but not many other cool phones on Sprint, the Epic 4G = epic fail, and some other dog pile phones they try to pawn off. Would be cool to see Sprint get the iPhone just to help them get more sales and a better name.

I have been getting more and more frustrated with sprint and today, actually right now the best buy rep is setting up my account with tmobile. Speak with your wallets folks.
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