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lucid Rem mod jf adp 1.5 or the dude cupcake 1.1?

I now have jf adp 1.5, but I want an apps2sd firmware, but I can't decide which one is the best! probably both are the best, I know!
which are the difference between Lucid Rem and the Dude?

JF's firmware comes already supporting Apps2SD. In fact you can do it all right from the terminal on your phone. And where did you d/l from again? Because I know for a fact JF not only states this fact on his blog (the page you probably got it from) but also links to a page of concise and easy to follow instructions. Personally I think you should try all 3 (be sure to READ everything TWICE when using any firmware w/ unionfs).
Also it dosen't hurt to search as I know EVERY freaking bit of this info is w/in the first 2 pages of this forum or on JF's site....RTFM

yes I know JF is compatible to app2sd, but the process to have apps2sd is not so concise and easy: lucid Rem and the Dudes seem to be more easy!
I'm sorry if I asked: I actually red the first 3 pages, not only 2, but it is not so easy to summarize tons of information!

i went through about 8 hours worth of wiping upgrading and testing the builds.
first thing i did was wipe the ext2 partition onthe card using gparted on linux. (i actually removed the partition and repartitioned it to do so. for more stability in case of bad partitioning from before] and then i wiped the phone. before upgrading.
- original JF 1.5 stable. but apps2sd was a bit complicated.
rewipe. repartition.
- thedude's rom is stable, but i found that i could not for the life of me install games. at all. it kept coming up as con.[game].whatever and i couldn't run any of them. [tested with jewellust and tangram pro]. also, the apps2sd is in collaboration with marcusmaximus and while i love the way he did the apps2sd, there wasn't much in instructions on how to make upgrading to thedude's build + marcus' app2sd work perfectly. [i got it to work, but it was w/o it's share of problems]
another rewipe. repartition.
- using Lucidrem's modded 1.5 + apps2sd steps laid out by mailman. simple perfect. 73mb free. apps2sd and stable as hell. i would recommend this.
but most of all, just wipe the ext2 partition for stability reasons. the move from rc33 to 1.5 was not a simple upgrade with apps2sd involved.

Exegence said:
i went through about 8 hours worth of wiping upgrading and testing the builds.
first thing i did was wipe the ext2 partition onthe card using gparted on linux. (i actually removed the partition and repartitioned it to do so. for more stability in case of bad partitioning from before] and then i wiped the phone. before upgrading.
- original JF 1.5 stable. but apps2sd was a bit complicated.
rewipe. repartition.
- thedude's rom is stable, but i found that i could not for the life of me install games. at all. it kept coming up as con.[game].whatever and i couldn't run any of them. [tested with jewellust and tangram pro]. also, the apps2sd is in collaboration with marcusmaximus and while i love the way he did the apps2sd, there wasn't much in instructions on how to make upgrading to thedude's build + marcus' app2sd work perfectly. [i got it to work, but it was w/o it's share of problems]
another rewipe. repartition.
- using Lucidrem's modded 1.5 + apps2sd steps laid out by mailman. simple perfect. 73mb free. apps2sd and stable as hell. i would recommend this.
but most of all, just wipe the ext2 partition for stability reasons. the move from rc33 to 1.5 was not a simple upgrade with apps2sd involved.
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really thanks a lot! it answers to my question!
just a dubt: my G1 is from uk, so originally it had the RC9, and after few change I came up to adp jf 1.5., the sd card (a trascendent 8gb class 6) is brand new, I just partitioned it for making ext2 partition and I didn't write anything on it. Should I wipe it as well? if yes how I should do?
if lucid rem is rteally smooth I'll go for it!

Hey there, I have the same card, if you already partitioned it but havent written anything to EXT2 you should be good. As for Lucidrem I have been using the modded JFRC33 since day one and props to all the other methods and designers of apps to sd but lucid's was the easiest for me since I dont have a home CPU. I was able to use terminal emulator to run the commands and it was extremely quick & simple. If you're unsure or not able to run adb shell on a cpu like me I would definately go with his modded version

Just to add to this mess
I am using Dude's build (mainly because I had it since .05) and once you update the script in 1.1 your games and protected apps should be fine.
MarcusMaximus states that unionfs method is much more stable an powerfull but I am yet to be convinced in that. It has a HUGE potential (move individual apps back and forth, boot up without sd, etc) and I see why everybody seems to jump on that boat but the question is... do we need it? If you're putting your apps on SD you probably don't want them back on your phone, and, honestly, why do you need to boot your phone without SD? I also think (and this only MY opinion as noone else stated this) that unionfs slows down you system slightly, I could be wrong. At this point, I find it more of the hassle to use it so I'm going back to JF firmware and doing sym-links.
Re-inforcing Exegence's statement, I've used sym-links (Lucid's way) since December with absolutely no problems (app, app-private, dalvik-cache, and caches for market, browser, maps and streetview).
I may see where unionfs goes in few months but at this I'll stick with true and tried.
Good luck to everyone

borodin1 said:
Just to add to this mess
I am using Dude's build (mainly because I had it since .05) and once you update the script in 1.1 your games and protected apps should be fine.
MarcusMaximus states that unionfs method is much more stable an powerfull but I am yet to be convinced in that. It has a HUGE potential (move individual apps back and forth, boot up without sd, etc) and I see why everybody seems to jump on that boat but the question is... do we need it? If you're putting your apps on SD you probably don't want them back on your phone, and, honestly, why do you need to boot your phone without SD? I also think (and this only MY opinion as noone else stated this) that unionfs slows down you system slightly, I could be wrong. At this point, I find it more of the hassle to use it so I'm going back to JF firmware and doing sym-links.
Re-inforcing Exegence's statement, I've used sym-links (Lucid's way) since December with absolutely no problems (app, app-private, dalvik-cache, and caches for market, browser, maps and streetview).
I may see where unionfs goes in few months but at this I'll stick with true and tried.
Good luck to everyone
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I do agree that the dudes build is awsome but is it faster at first it was fast but now that i have almost 100 apps on my class 6 sd card I see the phone almost pausing when I oper certian apps. emample it I go to bettercut and try to change an icon and click on use icon pack if i have one or two icon packs its fine but if I have 6 or 8 it has a hard time opening the pop up window with the different icon packs... I have no tryed JF with apps to sd only without apps to sd and it was fine maybe i need to give it a shot and see which one is faster!!!!

borodin1 said:
Just to add to this mess
I am using Dude's build (mainly because I had it since .05) and once you update the script in 1.1 your games and protected apps should be fine.
MarcusMaximus states that unionfs method is much more stable an powerfull but I am yet to be convinced in that. It has a HUGE potential (move individual apps back and forth, boot up without sd, etc) and I see why everybody seems to jump on that boat but the question is... do we need it? If you're putting your apps on SD you probably don't want them back on your phone, and, honestly, why do you need to boot your phone without SD? I also think (and this only MY opinion as noone else stated this) that unionfs slows down you system slightly, I could be wrong. At this point, I find it more of the hassle to use it so I'm going back to JF firmware and doing sym-links.
Re-inforcing Exegence's statement, I've used sym-links (Lucid's way) since December with absolutely no problems (app, app-private, dalvik-cache, and caches for market, browser, maps and streetview).
I may see where unionfs goes in few months but at this I'll stick with true and tried.
Good luck to everyone
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A slight oversimplification of my reasoning in using unionfs, so I'll try to explain my motivations here. My primary motivation was to make the process of moving apps to the sd card more stable. Unfortunately, I think many have misunderstood what I mean by that. I don't actually mean that it will have fewer problems, it pretty much has an equal amount from what I've seen.
What I mean by it is that in the case of a problem, the phone will still start. With the symlink method I was seeing constant problems of boot looping for no clear reason. It seemed to work *most* of the time but when it didn't the system crashed... hard. With unionfs it's extremely rare that I get any reports of problems causing the phone to not start, and when I do it's always a corrupted file system on the sd card. By far the most common problems have been certain specific apps not working(at this point togglesettings is the only one I know of that just straight doesn't work with this method... and it actually works, it just force closes on boot) and some apps having to be re-downloaded when the method is applied. There's no more than a handful of more serious problems(such as apps showing up perfectly in their correct locations on the filesystem but not showing up in the launcher... wtf) which I definitely couldn't say for the symlink method. Actually even problems with a corrupted file system are massively down from the symlink method now that mine won't let you move the app caches(responsible for every single freakin' report of stale nfs handles).
Aside from that was the ability to have some apps/storage on the sd card. This is primarily for stability reasons, just in case there's any apps that freak out(or go really slow) from being on the sd card, they can be moved to the internal memory without having to undo the whole process.
At any rate, I'm not mad at anyone(just in case anyone thought I'm upset about anything said about the unionfs method), just explaining my motivations behind making it a reality.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I really don't understand why there's umpteen different threads about moving apps to the SD card, why there are *paid* apps to do this, etc.
Is it really that hard to type:
cp -a /data/app /system/sd
cp -a /data/app-private /system/sd
rm -r /data/app
rm -r /data/app-private
ln -s /system/sd/app /data/app
ln -s /system/sd/app-private /data/app-private
Why do people make this complicated?
As for instability with the symlink method, I haven't experienced any, and I think it's specifically because I did NOT move the dalvik cache, and there are a number of good reasons for leaving it in place regardless of the method used.

ok, now everything is more... clear but complicate
another question (remember I'm a noob): what is the dalvik cache? why I shouldn't move it? is it huge?
anbd the last (for now ) which is the difference between unionsf and symlink methods?

iso67 said:
ok, now everything is more... clear but complicate
another question (remember I'm a noob): what is the dalvik cache? why I shouldn't move it? is it huge?
anbd the last (for now ) which is the difference between unionsf and symlink methods?
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Dalvik is the name of the Java VM on Android. It's what's used to run all of the Java programs.
Dalvik-cache is a directory on the filesystem that stores optimized versions of the dex files that are contained within an application's apk archive (think of the dex file as the executable and the apk as a zip file that contains the dex file and other files).
The reason moving it can cause problems is that if dalvik-cache is not accessible, no Java programs (including system programs) can run.

I have tried every combo of build and SD card mods and must say.........they all work, and I think 90% of problems are user error, I know 9 out of 10 of my mistakes were.
My biggest advice, if you dont understand what is happening you will always make dumb mistakes and be "that guy". Try to understand what you are doing before you do it and it you may be able to understand how to fix your own problem.

brandenk said:
I have tried every combo of build and SD card mods and must say.........they all work, and I think 90% of problems are user error, I know 9 out of 10 of my mistakes were.
My biggest advice, if you dont understand what is happening you will always make dumb mistakes and be "that guy". Try to understand what you are doing before you do it and it you may be able to understand how to fix your own problem.
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While I completely agree with you, I still think that this community needs to agree on whichever way is better and stick with it. This would make it better for developers and users.
I thinks that a pro (hint: MarcusMaximuss) needs to do some bench testing and see if both ways are equal in speed and reliability. If we prove that unionfs method is as fast as symlink onem and stays that way after few weeks of use we can conclude that it is ready for prime time and gear all efforts towards using only that method.
I am in the process of doing a so called "user test". Dude's 1.1a with unionfs apps2sd felt slow to me. At this point I switched to JF1.50 and did symlinks and it's blazing fast!!! Give me couple of days and I'll convert JFs build to unionfs and see if that stays that fast or slows down. I'll do the same thing on Dude's build once 1.2 comes out. But these will be just my impressions, no solid data to back them up.
As always, thank god for Nandroid and good luck to everyone.

I think MarcusMaximus does enough. He doesn't need more work, especially since he's not being paid (only donations).
I think another group interested in advancing these methods should come together and do a test that is more "third-party", so we can have clear and unbiased results.
Having said that, I feel that this method (unionfs) will continue to stabilize as he works on it. Especially since he has commissioned the guidance of the 3 top ROM devs. Very promising in its infancy and just needs to be refined.

cal3thousand said:
I think MarcusMaximus does enough. He doesn't need more work, especially since he's not being paid (only donations).
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Agreed !!!

cal3thousand said:
I think MarcusMaximus does enough. He doesn't need more work, especially since he's not being paid (only donations).
I think another group interested in advancing these methods should come together and do a test that is more "third-party", so we can have clear and unbiased results.
Having said that, I feel that this method (unionfs) will continue to stabilize as he works on it. Especially since he has commissioned the guidance of the 3 top ROM devs. Very promising in its infancy and just needs to be refined.
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Well... I haven't quite gotten Haykuro on board yet.

(Software) Free Paragon Partition Manager 10 TODAY ONLY

Hey guys, just an FYI-
Giveawayoftheday.com is featuring the above listed download for 17 more hours. This is NOT warez, as multiple companies allow free downloads for a 24 hour period. My advice is to download and activate this software FAST, as there are only about 17 more hours (as of this posting) to activate it. I've found PPM 9.0 to be very easy to use while partitioning, repartitioning, and formatting my card.
It's quicker than typing it all in console
Go HERE
There's also a link for 64bit system users on that page. Happy downloading.

Cool but have u heard of torrents just fyi lol

BrutalHoe said:
Cool but have u heard of torrents just fyi lol
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Just keeping it legal

Christopher3712 said:
Hey guys, just an FYI-
Giveawayoftheday.com is featuring the above listed download for 17 more hours. This is NOT warez, as multiple companies allow free downloads for a 24 hour period. My advice is to download and activate this software FAST, as there are only about 17 more hours (as of this posting) to activate it. I've found PPM 9.0 to be very easy to use while partitioning, repartitioning, and formatting my card.
It's quicker than typing it all in console
Go HERE
There's also a link for 64bit system users on that page. Happy downloading.
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(JUST A THOUGHT)
if im not mistaken auto partition like this (PARAGON) sometimes makes some issues when flashing, they said manual partitioning still better,
peace.

good find.
Thanks

cmsweet21 said:
(JUST A THOUGHT)
if im not mistaken auto partition like this (PARAGON) sometimes makes some issues when flashing, they said manual partitioning still better,
peace.
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I second that. PM 10 is awesome for PCs, but I wouldn't use it to partition my G1. There are partitioning tools built right into the latest Cyanogen's recovery image, and scripts around it to make it easier to use.

Helpfull for noobs.. Nice find.. WIll this work for the G1? The trial ones would only partition your local drives C:\

cheers
partition manager provides an easy way for the windows user to create the correct paritions in the correct order on any sd card so is valuable in this instance.
also aside from that its brilliant if you want to move a complete operating system to a new drive, it does this with vista and the machine wont even ask for reactivation.
anyways thats way off topic...
its definately worth using instead of Gparted if you havnt got a linux based setup.
PEACE. THANX.
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cmsweet21 said:
(JUST A THOUGHT)
if im not mistaken auto partition like this (PARAGON) sometimes makes some issues when flashing, they said manual partitioning still better,
peace.
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yeah I am on my second SD card and the first 1 everytime i tried to patition the ext3 i got an i/o error and now when trying to do the linux swap i get an i/o error
i was using paragon

Chahk said:
I second that. PM 10 is awesome for PCs, but I wouldn't use it to partition my G1. There are partitioning tools built right into the latest Cyanogen's recovery image, and scripts around it to make it easier to use.
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well said

It's funny how things work differently for everyone. I'm running Vista x86 and never had issues partitioning my SD card on my g1. Anyhow, some may find it useful.

Just downloaded and saved I'd rather use cyanogen's recovery image though

Thank you Sr. I do find it useful .. I have always used Paragon to partition my G1 with no problems at all..

awesome man. thanks for that site. after going through some of the stuff they have given away, im gonna check it daily now. Yesterday was driver magician

Thanks for the tip! Paragon Partition Manager is the best partition software I've ever used!

real men use the parted cli

Thanks for the software, but I honestly don't like it. I prefer just booting into linux to use GParted or popping in a GParted Live USB stick

crypysmoker said:
awesome man. thanks for that site. after going through some of the stuff they have given away, im gonna check it daily now. Yesterday was driver magician
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Trust me, I do the same. I keep it bookmarked in my cell and on my PC

Just to let you guys know what has happened to me in the past with paragon. I was able to use it and was very simple but 2 times out of the 3 or 4 months I used it something went wrong with the partitioning which caused my pc to crash. Thus leaving me to reinstall the OS all over again. Good thing I kept everything backed up though.

Thanks for the find, unfortunately im downloading at 15kb/s. I feel like im using aol from 95

Lets get Organized ** Post only flashable Roms****

Maybe a good idea maybe not but since google code was abolished i can't find a thing. Here is a link to an all in one flashable installation of cupcake everything is working gps, market, sms calls etc. I found that the touchscreen may not work on first install just soft reset device and all will work on next reboot. Please follow suit for whatever releases you have thanks. I take no credit in any of the work in the rom biuld we know who these acknowledgements go to.
cupcake 1.5 google-ion 9-12-09
http://www.mediafire.com/?0zniavwqg2m
All files included in zip including voguimg needed to flash nothing else needed just unzip to storage card and enjoy!!!
I will add more links in this post as people add them!!!!

mush2699 said:
Maybe a good idea maybe not but since google code was abolished i can't find a thing. Here is a link to an all in one flashable installation of cupcake everything is working gps, market, sms calls etc. I found that the touchscreen may not work on first install just soft reset device and all will work on next reboot. Please follow suit for whatever releases you have thanks. I take no credit in any of the work in the rom biuld we know who these acknowledgements go to.
cupcake 1.5 google-ion 9-12-09
http://www.mediafire.com/?2ygqzmzjzoe
All files included in zip including voguimg needed to flash nothing else needed just unzip to storage card and enjoy!!!
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is this just standard cupcake? is it themed?

standard with a blank data file

sorry if this sounds dumb, but i have been away from XDA for quite a few months now.
so you are talking about a very flashable android ROM for the vogue? meaning kiss bye bye winmo? everything works? even MMS and camera?

MMS depends on your carrier i have sprint and i can receive via picture mail(web view) but i cannot send. Everything else works YES kiss winmo goodbye i have

I followed the guide to fix my gps In windows mobile but for some reason, it still doesn't work. Would the GPS work if I flashed android instead of running it off windows mobile?

kiwilime said:
I followed the guide to fix my gps In windows mobile but for some reason, it still doesn't work. Would the GPS work if I flashed android instead of running it off windows mobile?
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short answer, no it needs to work in win mo first. back to the drawing board. first you need to unlock your phone with an unlocker, then you need to flash an official rom preferrably from your carrier that is GPS enabled, then you can run android and use GPS on it. many tuts around. if you did all of this already, you didn't do it right. also, some programs in win mo require GPS to be primed before working. make sure to use something like google maps to test in win mo.

I'm curious. What's so great about Android on the phone?
I'm using Windows Mobile 6.1 and the phone seems to run fine.
Are there clear cut advantages or is it just "something different"?

jimt007 said:
I'm curious. What's so great about Android on the phone?
I'm using Windows Mobile 6.1 and the phone seems to run fine.
Are there clear cut advantages or is it just "something different"?
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to me the interface is superior, the apps, but mostly it's just something cool.
functionality wise I think you can achieve the same thing on Windows mobile with the right apps. Just the cool stuff like oooooo are not there on Winmo

jimt007 said:
I'm curious. What's so great about Android on the phone?
I'm using Windows Mobile 6.1 and the phone seems to run fine.
Are there clear cut advantages or is it just "something different"?
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Run Android from your sd card via haret. Then you can have winmo and android.

im having issues, I have the original 512mb card in the phone formatted twice with fat32 partition. Copied the 6 files from your zip file and flashed the nbh file via the windows ruu flasher all was good. Boots with the linux penguin but I get to the state where it says losetup: /dev/block/loop0: No Such file or directory Failed
Failed to mount data fs on SD Card.
/bin/sh1 can't access ttyl job control turned off.
Then it just sits there.
Help, I'm playing around with this on my partially broken vogue (have my good one running winmo) so I can fool around with it but I've tried everything I could.
Thanks

Have try it on my Kaiser... I know for sure it will not work.. and indeed... loop between reset and the HTC logo

is this different than the one dzo made?

my mistake i made the zip file really quick last night i will redo it. Apparent i didnt rename datablank.img to data.img i will fix and reupload but all you have to do is make sure the file is data.img
The link in the first post has been updated to reflect this change. My apologies.

mush2699 said:
Apparent i didnt rename datablank.img to data.img
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If that is only the difference then we can rename it itself if you already have the files.
Question: Can you also replace the system.sqsh with a build you like?
(When you know for sure it is working.. beside if GPS/Bluetooth is working.)
And in the ROM there is: zimage, initrd and haret.exe?
the flash will not work on a Kaiser have try the new ZIP file.

I flashed this rom and it was very nice, but when i tried to sync my google account, it force closed and my contacts never synced. Is there a fix to this?

Can someone also make a Flashable rom for KAISER ... thanks..

ludester said:
im having issues, I have the original 512mb card in the phone formatted twice with fat32 partition. Copied the 6 files from your zip file and flashed the nbh file via the windows ruu flasher all was good. Boots with the linux penguin but I get to the state where it says losetup: /dev/block/loop0: No Such file or directory Failed
Failed to mount data fs on SD Card.
/bin/sh1 can't access ttyl job control turned off.
Then it just sits there.
Help, I'm playing around with this on my partially broken vogue (have my good one running winmo) so I can fool around with it but I've tried everything I could.
Thanks
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Try scanning the card for errors. Aslo note that the data file needs to be named data.img. Between those 2 ideas you problem should be solved.

Roms
Here is a whole bunch of them
not sure which ones work perfectly, i know a couple of them work for me.
go ahead and try em out.
i take no credit for these roms
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=aa29b5ef55091cf1c79b87b207592a1cda1aeb409e8c06c379b5ba589d1986ba

Even running natively instead of haret i have noticed battery life really sucks and i'm just talking about standby mode. Using the same programs on android as winmo i get about a third of the battery life. Can anyone recommend any battery saving tip. GPS is on only when needed and data is always on. I will not turn data off as it is always on in winmo and i have no issues with winmo.

how do you update the radio rom??

Hi Folks.
Just been issued heros at work and wish to update the radio rom...How is this accomplished??
regards
Lohtse

Firstly it needs to have a recovery image installed I recommend Amon-Ra v 1.6.2.
Secondly you need to find the radio rom you wish to flash and put it onto the root of you phones sd card.
Thirdly enter the recovery image you have installed by holding power and home button from the phone being off.
Then select the radio.zip to flash.
Everything I have said here can easily be found how to do via searching this forum or its wiki.
also www.theunlockr.com will help with installing the recovery image.

lohtse said:
Hi Folks.
Just been issued heros at work and wish to update the radio rom...How is this accomplished??
regards
Lohtse
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First you will need to install the custom recovery console if you haven't done so already.
Then download your updated radio, put it on your SD, load into the recovery, then apply update. DONE!
If that is too brief,... let me know,...
EDIT... Ooops,... too late.

way to complicated...
Too much to do and can screw up..... At least with winmo and symbian was a few clicks...
hmmmmm think will ditch android.....

really? its not complicated at all when you know what your doing. In fact I can say its a damn sight easier (and safer) than modifying blackberry roms and from what I hear also Windows Mobile.

Lennyuk said:
really? its not complicated at all when you know what your doing. In fact I can say its a damn sight easier (and safer) than modifying blackberry roms and from what I hear also Windows Mobile.
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I came from wimo to android, and as it is said, it's quite hard to catch the thing at the beginning, but after everything seems easier than in wimo !! and more reliable... you have almost no chance to brick your hero after you installed the recovery boot.
radio : boot in recovery then select the good option.
rom : nandroid backup / install whatever rom you want / if you don't like it go for nandroid restore ( all you need is two Sd card.. the good one and the one for the "tests" ).... etc....
But at the beginning i was totally out but with a little time.. reading some posts (here and on the web) ... one day everything was more clear !
Ciao
Fred

lohtse said:
way to complicated...
Too much to do and can screw up..... At least with winmo and symbian was a few clicks...
hmmmmm think will ditch android.....
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Its not hard at all. You can have the recovery installed and the radio updated in 5 minutes.
For step by step instructions follow the "Installing a recovery image" section in BTDAG's guide linked in my signature.
Then further down the same post, in the second yellow box there are instructions on "Updating your Radio".

Guys, the OP said he was issued the Hero at work, then two hours later said he was going to ditch Android... so what then, he's quitting his job? Troll alert. Don't feed the troll.

As to troll comment(yes offence has been caused)....hmmmmm.... Am going back to the trusty Kaiser... WE DON'T HAVE TO USE THE HERO.... We live in free(ish) world.. And the Phones are issued as an update to our old duty phones... Also I'm not the only one who uses them that feels the same.
Now to updating being easy. Gulp I must be eeer dum!!! Du hu Du HU must be the TROLL in me!
I have tried to install recovery image thing and well just cant get it to work... And now I find I have to root the hero too so things will install to sd card!!!! WTF this should all be standard like winmo and symbian etc...
I have been using smart phones since the Ericsson r380 and so far Android has failed to impress to the degree I am beginning to hate it....
Am far to used to having simply andfull access to everything..
Android is a HUGE learning curve that I suspect I may not have the patience for..
regards The TROLL sorry I mean Lohtse

Now I have finally managed to get recovery image on and updated the radio...Being called a troll did it !!!!!!.....LOL
My final questions are this how do I root so I can install to sd card(just point me in the right direction) And do I have to unlock Phone to any network to have custom roms on..
regards
TROLL

lohtse said:
Now I have finally managed to get recovery image on and updated the radio...Being called a troll did it !!!!!!.....LOL
My final questions are this how do I root so I can install to sd card(just point me in the right direction) And do I have to unlock Phone to any network to have custom roms on..
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Wahey!!!! Good job man.
Ok,... So now you have the recovery image all you need to do is pick a custom ROM. Personally, I highly recommend MCR3.2 (link in signature at botom). It is an Android 1.5 ROM but is stable and fast, what more could you want for a work phone.This ROM is rooted and has apps2SD enabled. Once you have installed the ROM you will need to remember to create an ext2 partition on the SD card (easily done through the recovery). Then you are set to go!!!!

lohtse said:
Now I have finally managed to get recovery image on and updated the radio...Being called a troll did it !!!!!!.....LOL TROLL
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You're welcome And what ddotpatel said. MCR is fast & clean. By installing a custom recovery you've already done the only tricky bit.

Yep installed 3.2 from modocca. seems nice but how do you know if the apps are installing to sdcard???? I'm not sure they are lol..

lohtse said:
Yep installed 3.2 from modocca. seems nice but how do you know if the apps are installing to sdcard???? I'm not sure they are lol..
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You need to create an ext2 partition on your SD card through the recovery again. I cant remember the exact wording but something like "create ext2 + fat" or something along those lines.
As far as I know, once that has been done all apps will install to SD.
Someone with more knowhow than me correct me if I am wrong?... CAULI?,... LENNY?

Can someone who knows please answer this question:
Are you 100% sure that flashing the Radio ROM does not affect the phone RF Calibration ?
Thanks!

ddotpatel said:
You need to create an ext2 partition on your SD card through the recovery again. I cant remember the exact wording but something like "create ext2 + fat" or something along those lines.
As far as I know, once that has been done all apps will install to SD.
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Yup, certainly as far as MCR is concerned. On the first reboot it will move all files from /data/app to /system/sd/app (& similarly for app-private) Nb /sysytem/sd is the mount point for the ext2 partition. All it does is move the files over & then replaces the /data/app (& app-private) directory with a symlink to the new location. That way future installs, updates etc all automatically go to the new location.
You can always check yourself with a terminal emulator & the command ls -l, or using a file manager like Root Explorer, if you're curious. Some people think it's not working because they see available space in internal flash drop as apps are installed, but that's because app data & the dalvik cache remain on internal flash, principally aiui for reasons of access speed. The saving you make just from shifting the apks to sd is more than enough for most people it seems.

cauli said:
Yup, certainly as far as MCR is concerned. On the first reboot it will move all files from /data/app to /system/sd/app (& similarly for app-private) Nb /sysytem/sd is the mount point for the ext2 partition.
All it does is move the files over & then replaces the /data/app (& app-private) directory with a symlink to the new location. That way future installs, updates etc all automatically go to the new location.
You can always check yourself with a terminal emulator & the command ls -l, or using a file manager like Root Explorer.
Some people think it's not working because they see available space in internal flash drop as apps are installed, but that's because app data & the dalvik cache remain on internal flash, principally aiui for reasons of access speed.
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hmmmm I certainly noticed a drop in available memory on the phone to the degree of only having 54 megs free...

SebHTCHero said:
Are you 100% sure that flashing the Radio ROM does not affect the phone RF Calibration ?
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what is rf calibration?

What is radio rom used for by phone?

kendong2 said:
what is rf calibration?
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A set of tables usually stored in NVRAM that takes into account the slight differences in the components used to build your phone. Every single phone is calibrated during manufacturing.
If the calibration is erased, it will look like it works but you can have all sort of problems from poor battery life to random drop from the network or poor sensibility (not to mention the higher than expected radio levels you could be emitting right next to your brain )

Kernals, Nand, full functioning Android?

I gave my Dad my old blackstone when my Desore turned up.
He has winged that he can't get the marketplace and about all those general WinMo issues that people have (it dead etc)
I can't find a clear message on the status of NANDROID for blackstone.
TIAD8s site has NAND versions that are missing bluetooth or other funcitons
It appears there are basic functions that are lost according which kernal is being run.
I'm willing to do one completely convoluted install just to get Froyo style on my dads phone but only once. I never have trouble with new flashing procedures (slow and steady wins the race) but I don't want to hand him back the phone broken especially as he uses hands free in the car
So - can anyone say categorically that a NAND version work fully?

Categorically: Not yet. Wondering if ever...

Forget it...

Think Tiad8 only has test team working on a NAND build anyway?
Not seen it in action yet

Kernals?! ....

I find deliberate typos (NOT TEXT SPEAK) can get people to engage.

olly230 said:
I find deliberate typos (NOT TEXT SPEAK) can get people to engage.
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Is that also why you called it a "Desore" instead of Desire?
lol, you made a typo or you just didn't know. No need to try and rationalize it .

t8 let people wait and wait.
though it's good to try, we don't know whether he really works on it as he start many threads to other device besieds HD.

arrrghhh said:
Is that also why you called it a "Desore" instead of Desire?
lol, you made a typo or you just didn't know. No need to try and rationalize it .
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Desore was a proper typo, I'll put my hands up to that

Tiad8's just kidding us, it will send to test team files from NVIDIA Tegra device. Only RUU_signed is working, but I think it's my modded LK Bootloader from Rhodium (with modified mtype). Something's wrong with this nand.
I have runned this but touchscreen not working properly and I don't have GSM.

MietasSR said:
Tiad8's just kidding us, it will send to test team files from NVIDIA Tegra device. Only RUU_signed is working, but I think it's my modded LK Bootloader from Rhodium (with modified mtype). Something's wrong with this nand.
I have runned this but touchscreen not working properly and I don't have GSM.
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I thought you were part of his developer team because he now give credits to you for your ruu and recovery.img (at last he ist starting to do this: giving credits) in the NAND download post.
With your post here I had to smile a little: now your name is connected to the "null nands" for many consumers in tiad8's forum. Even I thought you're part of it now and that's why I tried the build yesterday again: Boot partition to small and Kernel not working.
I think now it's getting to the critical point in the NAND experiments: correct or good partition sizes for NAND (some members there startet to change partition values in the image files with a hex editor) and more important: building a working kernel with modules for Blackstone NAND.
Until now all experiments reached a few preparing goals: getting a working .nbh for starting into fastboot, getting a recovery.img for a working CWM etc.
But now (if I am completely wrong please correct me, I really want to know) you have to change partition and ram parameters in clk and hope you will spare the protected parts.
And after that: Kernel and Modules for Blackstone on Nand. I am starting to believe here would be the real point for developers.
I started to build Kernel and Modules, a Boot Environment (initrdgz) from git and packed them with changed parameters in a Tinboot-Package. I can flash with the .nbh, I can boot, I got a lot of errors in init first, but I succeeded in running and loading the kernel, I get access to the changed mtd partitions etc. Debugging on Blackstone with Echo "" ist quite funny.
I got stuck when I tried to cp files from SD card to the /system partition (which is mounted r/w) - I can cp files from / to /system anyway. Big ?? for me. But I like to play with it a little more, because I learned a lot.

ThaiDai said:
I thought you were part of his developer team because he now give credits to you for your ruu and recovery.img (at last he ist starting to do this: giving credits) in the NAND download post..
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Me Too!! Does this mean you are working on different things?