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Nub question

Sorry if this is asked constantly, i tried searching and couldn't see any threads about it.
Basically what i'm wanting to know is if it's possible to unlock a phone that's still locked to a specific carrier (eg, optus or telstra if you're in australia). is this what CID unlocking is?
If so, then i guess i can grab a hermes / jasjam from ebay that's selling for less because it's carrier locked, unlock it, and use it with my current sim card?
Thanks in advance for any advice.

You're definately new with a question like that
Basically CID unlocking allows you to flash a ROM from any carrier and use it.
SIM unlocking allows you to use any SIM card with your existing (or any other) ROM.
If all you want to do is use a stock phone with any carrier I suggest you use POF's CID and SIM unlocker http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_SimUnlock.
If you want to get better ROMS you'll need to do a whole pile more reading, and before flashing anything else start with Olipro's Hard-SPL 2.10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296722 and Mrvanx's Upgrade Guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299462.
Other useful upgrade info can be found in this sticky http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295751
mkerr said:
Sorry if this is asked constantly, i tried searching and couldn't see any threads about it.
Basically what i'm wanting to know is if it's possible to unlock a phone that's still locked to a specific carrier (eg, optus or telstra if you're in australia). is this what CID unlocking is?
If so, then i guess i can grab a hermes / jasjam from ebay that's selling for less because it's carrier locked, unlock it, and use it with my current sim card?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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so all i'd need to do, assuming i keep the stock rom, is to sim unlock it?

Yep, if you SIM unlock you can use the phone as supplied but with any carriers SIM card.
Oh yes, welcome to XDA-developers - I think if you read a bit more you will realise the benefits of the cooked ROMs here and later want to upgrade - it's highly addictive
mkerr said:
so all i'd need to do, assuming i keep the stock rom, is to sim unlock it?
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One further bit of advice if buying one of these phones from ebay - ask the seller for a picture of the phone when switched on so you can check it has a radio signal - also get him to confirm that it doesn't display NO GSM on the bottom right when it is booting. The NO GSM indicates a brick which may or may not be fixable by the tools we have here.
mkerr said:
Sorry if this is asked constantly, i tried searching and couldn't see any threads about it.
Basically what i'm wanting to know is if it's possible to unlock a phone that's still locked to a specific carrier (eg, optus or telstra if you're in australia). is this what CID unlocking is?
If so, then i guess i can grab a hermes / jasjam from ebay that's selling for less because it's carrier locked, unlock it, and use it with my current sim card?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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cheers for the reply
at the moment i've got an imate k-jam, and have been reading up about cooked roms etc, but didn't realise exactly what the unlocking involved (except that it let you play with the roms).

Official UK/Europe ROM to replace Orange ROM?

I've just bought a UK HTC Touch HD that was locked to Orange and is now unlocked. I want to get rid of the Orange branding software by flashing to the latest 'Official' HTC Rom but have found that the only ROM on the HTC site is 'unsuitable' for my phone after inputting the Ser No. Can someone point me in the direction of the corrrect ROM file or is there a good reason why I should use a 'unofficial' ROM?
Nic

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I've just bought a UK HTC Touch HD that was locked to Orange and is now unlocked. I want to get rid of the Orange branding software by flashing to the latest 'Official' HTC Rom but have found that the only ROM on the HTC site is 'unsuitable' for my phone after inputting the Ser No. Can someone point me in the direction of the corrrect ROM file or is there a good reason why I should use a 'unofficial' ROM?
Nic
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Hiya mate, welcome to the forum. I don't blame you for wanting to get rid of the Orange branding, they seem to take pleasure in undoing all the hard work that HTC do and replace it with their puke inspired branding (Orange SPV E650 - PUKE!)
Right, first of all I'd suggest you read through the Blackstone Wiki (Link is stickied at the top of this forum) You'll find out most of what you need to know about flashing a new ROM, including chooseing between USPL and HSPL (Bootloader) - depending on whether you intend to do much flashing of ROMs to your device. There's also links to some Official HTC WWE roms that people have dumped from their phones and kindly re-packaged ready to be flashed.
As always, remember that flashing a new rom image, or SPL will invalidate your warranty, unless you can flash back to original - which is possible for SPL and ROM image provided you back up your original or know you can download an Original Orange ROM. Instructions for dumping your rom are also on the wiki.
Good luck!

Thanks, I'll have a trawl through all the info, hopefully I won't end up turning my new toy into a brick!
Nic

I've successfully 'de oranged' now by using :
Unsigned_HardSPL_for_Blackstone_OliNexe
followed by:
RUU_BlackStone_HTC_Europe_1.14.401.2_Radio_52.49a.25.26_1.09.25.14_Ship
Everything seems to be working just fine and the 'auto configuration' now works no matter what sim I use, who knows I might even be brave enough to start playing with 'Cooked' ROMS soon!

I've had my orange phone for a couple of days now and want to do the same as you. Can you tell me how you unlocked your phone and do you have to unlock it before you can put in a new ROM?
Also, once you put the new ROM in, did you have to set up the orange voicemail, internet, etc?

You don't need to network unlock before flashing. Mine is still locked to Orange despite having a Dutty rom on it.
I think a network unlock costs a few bob, look around the forums. Data just worked, and I had to remember that voicemail is on 123. And if it didn't I expect the config text they send out would reset it all for you.

astromark said:
You don't need to network unlock before flashing. Mine is still locked to Orange despite having a Dutty rom on it.
I think a network unlock costs a few bob, look around the forums. Data just worked, and I had to remember that voicemail is on 123. And if it didn't I expect the config text they send out would reset it all for you.
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Thanks for the reply. I wont bother with unlocking as I intend to stay with orange for at least the next 18 months. I have a couple more questions, if you don't mind:
How do they know to send the config text? Can they detect you updated the ROM?

This is something that I have also wondered about... do you have to note all data & MMS etc settings or are they predetermined by the sim or something?

I've flashed my phone probably about 20+ times with different ROMs and all have detected my Orange UK SIM settings.
Hope this helps.

The 'Auto Configuration' option in 'Connection setup' takes care of all the settings for you and you've still got the option of selecting the Country and Operator manually.

ncollins said:
The 'Auto Configuration' option in 'Connection setup' takes care of all the settings for you and you've still got the option of selecting the Country and Operator manually.
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That is good to know. I was worried that the phone would forget how to do sms, internet, voicemail, etc.

[HELP] i have a problem with my blackstone unlocked

Hi
I buyed a htc touch hd like 2 month ago but last weekend didnt get any network so i turned it off and turned on again and nothing happend i left my cell on a store and they say that theres nothing to do
Can anyone help me they said that it could be a software problem with the unlock
is there anyway to check if the phone lost the unlocking soft or something
PLEASE HELP ME

try a hard reset if a soft reset does not fix it

sounds to me like a radio flashing went wrong

And what i can do in that case!

Please Explain more
Gonzo1563 said:
And what i can do in that case!
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Mate,
Can you please explain the problem ??
Did you try to install anything ?? or did you try to do any ROM upgrade (if you are familiar)
How did all these started ?? give us some details & we might be able to help you

Also can you turn phone on at all now? Can you enter bootloader screen? What does your SPL say?

Yeah i can turn it on!
one day i have some probs with the network i haved to turn off and on a few times the radio and then the network appears but now it just say SEARCHING
no i didnt update any room

Gonzo1563 said:
Yeah i can turn it on!
one day i have some probs with the network i haved to turn off and on a few times the radio and then the network appears but now it just say SEARCHING
no i didnt update any room
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You could always put your phone into bootloader and flash a radio

How can i do that
how can i know wich radio do i need

You flash a radio the same way you would flash a rom. First of all you need USPL or HSPL on your device. I recommend you read these threads for guidance:
Dummies guide for flashing using USPL or HSPL
1.14.25.24 & Rilphone.dll radio thread
Blackstone Radio Flashing (wiki)
Available Blackstone Radios
I would start with radio 1.14.25.24 as this is latest blackstone radio

It doesnt work yet
please i need you to recommend me a rom to use
can i use the officil one from htc website?
and what else i can try to make my phone work again1

Gonzo1563 said:
It doesnt work yet
please i need you to recommend me a rom to use
can i use the officil one from htc website?
and what else i can try to make my phone work again1
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You have a vast choice of roms to use, either stock roms direct from HTC site or from the wiki here or cooked roms from this forum
Would be impossible for me to recommend one as everyone is different and your tastes may well be different from mine. Also you have different windows versions, i.e. wm6.1 & wm6.5. All I can say is try a few and make your own conclusions. At present I am currently using Throys WM6.5 R9 rom

I changed the rom and the radio still dont get signal
NO SERVICE!

I changed the rom and the radio still dont get signal
NO SERVICE!

Gonzo1563 said:
Hi
I buyed a htc touch hd like 2 month ago but last weekend didnt get any network so i turned it off and turned on again and nothing happend i left my cell on a store and they say that theres nothing to do
Can anyone help me they said that it could be a software problem with the unlock
is there anyway to check if the phone lost the unlocking soft or something
PLEASE HELP ME
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Hi
ok if I was your support guy for your problem I'd need more info like
1. What unlocking software and from where did you get it?
2. what network are you on?
3. where in the world are you? (geography can be a problem)
4. what rom did you flash to?
5. (this is where I check in 6.5) in settings, connections, connection setup what does it say?
6. in settings, phone information what model does it say you have ?
with luck giving us this info might give us an idea what has happened
Good luck

1. What unlocking software and from where did you get it?
I buyed it on ebay already unlocked
2. what network are you on?
Digitel
3. where in the world are you? (geography can be a problem)
Venezuela
4. what rom did you flash to?
The original one from HTC the last one(1.57.831.1) i tryed aother ones 2. but the problem started before i tryed to flash any rom for first time.
5. (this is where I check in 6.5) in settings, connections, connection setup what does it say?
Select Operator
Contry:Venezuela
Operator Digitel TIM
6. in settings, phone information what model does it say you have ?
i didnt find this but its a HTC Touch HD T8282

Gonzo1563 said:
1. What unlocking software and from where did you get it?
I buyed it on ebay already unlocked
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You may find that the phone is stolen and phone networks have blocked the IMEI Number this maybe why you donot have any reception
Try asking your Network phone company if this phone is blocked

I Already call and no its not blocked by imei

Gonzo1563 said:
I changed the rom and the radio still dont get signal
NO SERVICE!
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ok, when you changed rom did you use USPL or HSPL? What does your SPL say?

HSPL
SPL-1.56.01iNex

Orange warranty + rooting

Bit of a basic question really for all the Orange users out there (and crossposted a little) but by rooting is the warranty on a contract phone invalidated?
Basically before doing any kind of flashing to new roms I want to backup (simple - incase anything goes wrong but also so I can "preserve" any warranty by going back to the original Orange state), but to backup using Nandroid you need to root first (correct?) - so my concern is if by the process of backing up you are breaking the warranty anyway...if it's worth it.

Not sure if you need to root to Nandriod Backup. I thought you just :
1) put the phone into recovery mode (power-off, hold 'back' and power-on)
2) did a fastboot boot cm-recovery.img
3) select backup from that menu.
TBH, the first thing I did was root my Orange phone and THEN started playing with ROMS, so I could be wrong.
A pristine (non-rooted) Orange ROM is available from Modaco's site if you need to revert. Also, rooting simply changes the ROM. I'm more woriied that's I've unlocked the phone!

Hello,
Yea this is all pretty new to me however it would indeed seem you don't have to root to do a backup (which is perfect). I just figured it's best getting a back up how it is now before *any* changes are made.
I don't know anything about doing a fastboot though, could you point me in the direction of a newbie guide or something?
Also I didn't know the original Orange ROM was avilable - that's very useful to know! Thanks!

Fastboot documented here
http://andblogs.net/fastboot/
Probably need to install the Andriod SDK, too:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/1.5_r3/index.html
SDK 1.6 is available, but I don't know if that causes any isses - I use 1.5.
Lots of good info on:
http://android.modaco.com/category/409/htc-hero-hero-modaco-com/
Good Luck!

CombinedEffort said:
TBH, the first thing I did was root my Orange phone and THEN started playing with ROMS, so I could be wrong.
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Hi CombinedEffort
I've got an Orange Hero that is SIM & CID locked and as such I cannot download the official HTC ROM update. I have already nandroid backed up and rooted, but I not too sure about flashing new ROMS (ie. Modaco's). As you say you rooted then started playing with ROM's so hope you can answer a few questions.
-Did your Orange phone come from Orange direct and was SIM & CID locked?
-How have you unlocked your phone? Was it just a SIM unlock code, or have you managed to CID unlock too? (I've seen a thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=559806 about CID unlocking that requires you to make a serial debug cable - something I'm trying to avoid, but will to do if need be).
-Even if you haven't CID unlocked your phone, were you still able to flash custom ROMs, as long as you don't flash a new radio?
-Did you use the "update.zip" method to flash new ROMs?
Sorry for the number of questions, but hope you're able to answer them.
Can't wait to get rid of the stock ROM
Cheers

Sulus1179 said:
Hi CombinedEffort
I've got an Orange Hero that is SIM & CID locked and as such I cannot download the official HTC ROM update. I have already nandroid backed up and rooted, but I not too sure about flashing new ROMS (ie. Modaco's).
Cheers
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I was under the impression that the process of rooting thereby allowed you to use other ROMS such as the offical HTC ones - if this isn't the case I'm also very interested in more information!

Temjin said:
I was under the impression that the process of rooting thereby allowed you to use other ROMS such as the offical HTC ones - if this isn't the case I'm also very interested in more information!
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Well I took the plunge and flashed MoDaCo's 2.2 ROM. Looks like you were right, you can flash ROMs if you've rooted your phone. However I'm still not sure about flashing radios if your phone is CID locked - I got the impression this wasn't possible from other threads I've read.
So go right ahead and flash ROMs till your hearts content - don't forget to do a backup 1st though, just incase.
One issue I have with the new ROM though, I can send SMS but can't view the threads afterwards (just says "loading") also when receiving SMS I can't see them. Me thinks some investigation is needed

Sulus1179 said:
-Did your Orange phone come from Orange direct and was SIM & CID locked?
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I bought mine from Dial-a-phone with an Orange contract. It's Orange branded and was locked to the Orange SIM
Sulus1179 said:
-How have you unlocked your phone? Was it just a SIM unlock code, or have you managed to CID unlock too? (I've seen a thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=559806 about CID unlocking that requires you to make a serial debug cable - something I'm trying to avoid, but will to do if need be).
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I unlocked the phone with http://hero.unlock-now.com/sim-unlock-HTC-Hero/
adq (Andrew de Quincey, by any chance?) hadn't posted his CID unlock by then, so I know nothing about that.
Sulus1179 said:
-Even if you haven't CID unlocked your phone, were you still able to flash custom ROMs, as long as you don't flash a new radio?
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I did flash generic / custom ROMS hoping it would unlock the phone - it didn't, but I could still use the Orange SIM with the generic ROMS. Not sure how flashing the radio would affect this - I would have thought it wouldn't
Sulus1179 said:
-Did you use the "update.zip" method to flash new ROMs?
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Yes.

Temjin said:
I was under the impression that the process of rooting thereby allowed you to use other ROMS such as the offical HTC ones - if this isn't the case I'm also very interested in more information!
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No, rooting affects the *ROM* not the *phone*. Modaco's custom ROMs come pre-rooted.
I came from an iPhone 2G background where I was expecting to have to Jailbreak and unlock the phone before being able to do anything useful with it. This is not the case with the Hero. Out-of-the-box, you can boot the Hero to the bootloader and flash a custom ROM from there - VERY hacker friendly!

CombinedEffort said:
No, rooting affects the *ROM* not the *phone*. Modaco's custom ROMs come pre-rooted.
I came from an iPhone 2G background where I was expecting to have to Jailbreak and unlock the phone before being able to do anything useful with it. This is not the case with the Hero. Out-of-the-box, you can boot the Hero to the bootloader and flash a custom ROM from there - VERY hacker friendly!
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Ah! Now that makes a lot more sense Thanks CombinedEffort, I'm slowly learning

Sulus1179 said:
Well I took the plunge and flashed MoDaCo's 2.2 ROM. Looks like you were right, you can flash ROMs if you've rooted your phone. However I'm still not sure about flashing radios if your phone is CID locked - I got the impression this wasn't possible from other threads I've read.
So go right ahead and flash ROMs till your hearts content - don't forget to do a backup 1st though, just incase.
One issue I have with the new ROM though, I can send SMS but can't view the threads afterwards (just says "loading") also when receiving SMS I can't see them. Me thinks some investigation is needed
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I think this:
http://android.modaco.com/content/h.../293020/not-recieving-sms-after-applying-2-2/
Might be your answer!

What CID Lock do I have?

Hi all,
first of all appologies if I am posting this in the wrong place but I don't think it quite belobgs in ROM development .
My question is basicaly how do I find out what CID lock is on my HD2?
I bought the phone sim unlocked and all is fine. It works fine with my Virgin sim (UK). I would like to upgrade to the latest official ROM as I don't feel ready to experiment with cooked ROMs just yet.
However when I log on to the HTC web site and try to download a ROM it says "Sorry, this software download is not suitable for your device."
I have tried it from both the UK and Europe web sites but get the same result.
The current rom shows no branding of any sort, also there is non on the phone itself.
Is it CID locked to an operators SIM's? If so how do I find out which and will I be able to get a ROM from them if I don't use them?
Or will I have to go the HSPL route and go cooked roms?
Any Help or guidance greatly appreciated.
Regards
Clive

There are truely unlocked phones, and then there are those unlocked but the serial numbers are blocked on request of the service provider. Vodafone, O2 and (I'm guessing) Virgin do this so you can only upgrade when they OK the ROM release.
You can install HSPL which gets around all that and lets you explore the wonderful world of cooked ROMs...read this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=609477

ROM lock and SIM lock are not the same and not connected.
If the HTC website says invalid serial, then the ROM is locked. (Probably to Virgin, if that's where you got it from) and you must wait for them (virgin) to release the update. That is the ONLY way to install a new rom without using HSPL/SSPL
EDIT - Oh, and your line "Or will I have to go the HSPL route and go cooked roms?", , , , HSPL isn't just for cooked roms, it will let you install official HTC roms too, if you want, not just cooked ones.

I didn't get it from Virgin, my SIM is Virgin and that's what I put in it. I bought it privately. I'm guessing then it is CID Locked to Vodaphone or the like.
OK so it looks like HSPL is the route to go?
If I want to install an official HTC ROM how can I download it as I have to enter my serial number and it gets rejected? Are they available elsewhere?
Am I likely to loose anything (apart from guarantee ) by installing latest HTC rom and any advice on which one? I guess by that I mean EU or UK versions?
Thanks for the replies by the way much appreciated

Its pretty important that you know who it was locked to, because to uninstal HSPL, or to fix it if things go bad, the very best thing to have available is the stock rom. As for losing guarantee, if you bought it privately then you already lost that, right?

samsamuel said:
As for losing guarantee, if you bought it privately then you already lost that, right?
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Pretty much although I could send it back through the seller.
Is there way way I can get a copy of the current ROM/SPL out of my phone and save it as a backup?