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Ok i rooted a bunch of android phones but this is my first winmo phone. so i am a noob to this. I just need some clarification on porting android to the hd2. In order to port android i must flash a custom winmo rom and load android as kind of like a "secondary" OS right?
So everytime I reboot my phone I must reboot it into winmo and then load android? And is there currently or is anyone working on a way to boot straight into android?
Sorry for asking so many questions and sounding like a noob but I just want to be 110% clear before I try anything.
I believe there are android roms that boot right into android.
In order to run Android:
1. you need to go through the [BUILD]s in the Android Development section... located in the other HD2 area.
2. Unless otherwise instructed by the build creater, you need to make an Android folder on your SD card, and copy the contents of the build into that folder.
3. If you have an "Android Friendly" ROM, there will be an icon already to start Android, which will auto-run the CLRCAD.exe (for sound to work) & HaRet.exe (which loads Android) If you are on a Stock ROM, or one that does not have the Android loader, then you will either need to run those in order manually (CLRCAD then HaRet) or download the Android loader applet (in the Android Development section)
4. If you want Android to load automatically, there are custom ROMs found in the Android Development section that are setup for this purpose, HOWEVER, you will need to make sure that it's TMOUS HD2 compatible
5. if you experience "issue xyz" be sure to check the Android Development section, as they have probably already addressed it
ok thanks so much im gonna be porting android over as soon as i get home from work today hopefully i do it without screwing anything up lol
Will Android work w/Outlook sync? Also, are you still able to tether with Android? I've searched around but haven't found the answer. If no for either then that will be the deal breaker for me. Thanks in advance
RY35AN said:
Will Android work w/Outlook sync? Also, are you still able to tether with Android? I've searched around but haven't found the answer. If no for either then that will be the deal breaker for me. Thanks in advance
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it does work with ActiveSync, it that's what you're asking?
as for the tethering, look in the build notes.... they give a list of options that do & don't work.
truthkillszz -
nice thing is, if something does get messed up, reboot format the sd, put the build on and try again ;-p since it runs off of the sd and not ROM, there's little chance of doing something a reset can't fix
Ryan79 said:
it does work with ActiveSync, it that's what you're asking?
as for the tethering, look in the build notes.... they give a list of options that do & don't work.
truthkillszz -
nice thing is, if something does get messed up, reboot format the sd, put the build on and try again ;-p since it runs off of the sd and not ROM, there's little chance of doing something a reset can't fix
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Hey, thanks for the info. I appreciate it!
I'm posting this in General as I don't have the knowledge to port this or develop a similar version for the Slide and I don't want to clutter up the Development forum.
Team ADX over in the Droid Eris forum came up with this gem; a dual boot Eclair Sense/2.2 AOSP ROM. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=824072
I don't know if this can be done on our phones, but I thought it possible as you don't need to flash a custom recovery.
man this would awesome... the best of both worlds, run and "stock" ROM so we can still receive updates and still have CM.
i was actually thinking about dual boot just the other day! i dont feel like id be switching back and forth from 2 roms but itd be a great feature for those who do. unfortunately i dont think we have that much developers :/
I was reading the instructions for it and it looks like we'll have to wait for S-OFF before we can try it.
Part of the scripting is telling the phone how to partition the phone, sizes of those partitions, and so on. The slide is, generally speaking, un-brickable and it's the measures used to give us that luxury that also prevent us from doing so much like R/W on the system while in a non-recovery boot and changes we do make while booted are just wiped on reboot *sigh* man I love that ramdisk image.
Once we get S-OFF let's get this project started
KCRic said:
I was reading the instructions for it and it looks like we'll have to wait for S-OFF before we can try it.
Part of the scripting is telling the phone how to partition the phone, sizes of those partitions, and so on. The slide is, generally speaking, un-brickable and it's the measures used to give us that luxury that also prevent us from doing so much like R/W on the system while in a non-recovery boot and changes we do make while booted are just wiped on reboot *sigh* man I love that ramdisk image.
Once we get S-OFF let's get this project started
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I don't think S-OFF is the issue. The partitioning instructions only refer to sdcard. This command:
Code:
mkpartfs primary fat32 0 3500 (can be adjusted to your needs. This partition will be used by the 2.1 rom and by recovery)
I think is only for the phone ROM storage and the for the recovery to find the boot scripts. According to the instructions, they're only partitioning the sdcard to run the AOSP ROM in it. They install the 2.1 Sense ROM to the phone, get it set up, run the boottosd script to boot into the 2.2 AOSP ROM on the sdcard, then set that up and run the boottophone script to go back to 2.1 Sense. They're running a ROM on the sdcard!
As I said before, I think something like this can work for our phones because it doesn't require flashing a recovery. The problem is we don't have the devs to do it.
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I don't think S-OFF is the issue. The partitioning instructions only refer to sdcard. This command:
Code:
mkpartfs primary fat32 0 3500 (can be adjusted to your needs. This partition will be used by the 2.1 rom and by recovery)
I think is only for the phone ROM storage and the for the recovery to find the boot scripts. According to the instructions, they're only partitioning the sdcard to run the AOSP ROM in it. They install the 2.1 Sense ROM to the phone, get it set up, run the boottosd script to boot into the 2.2 AOSP ROM on the sdcard, then set that up and run the boottophone script to go back to 2.1 Sense. They're running a ROM on the sdcard!
As I said before, I think something like this can work for our phones because it doesn't require flashing a recovery. The problem is we don't have the devs to do it.
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I'll take a look. No promises as I'm an übernoob but I would love to have this.
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migueltherocker said:
I'll take a look. No promises as I'm an übernoob but I would love to have this.
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You won't be able to do a simple port. I posted about it more of as a proof of concept. Take the same idea, but obviously using our espresso sense and CM6.
heybobitsme said:
I don't think S-OFF is the issue. The partitioning instructions only refer to sdcard. This command:
Code:
mkpartfs primary fat32 0 3500 (can be adjusted to your needs. This partition will be used by the 2.1 rom and by recovery)
I think is only for the phone ROM storage and the for the recovery to find the boot scripts. According to the instructions, they're only partitioning the sdcard to run the AOSP ROM in it. They install the 2.1 Sense ROM to the phone, get it set up, run the boottosd script to boot into the 2.2 AOSP ROM on the sdcard, then set that up and run the boottophone script to go back to 2.1 Sense. They're running a ROM on the sdcard!
As I said before, I think something like this can work for our phones because it doesn't require flashing a recovery. The problem is we don't have the devs to do it.
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Ok that makes sense. I thought it was pointing to the partitions on the phone telling it to format to a different size for some reason. Then what's preventing us from doing this? Just a lack of a proper script?
I have not poked around with how they are going about doing everything, but I was the one who got the ball rolling with my dual boot linux script. Conap took the basic setup and made some changes to just install them both on the phone and sdcard. Here is the basic of what it is doing....
The init.rc file found in boot.img has been modified for the froyo rom on the sdcard. The lines where it mounts [email protected] , [email protected], and [email protected] have been changed to the partitions on the sdcard (/dev/block/mcblk0px) The updater-script for froyo has been modified to flash the rom to the partitions on the sdcard. There are some gscripts which are ran from the phone that either modify or replace the boot.img for the rom you want to boot into.
The froyo ROM is running completely off the sdcard and the recovery is left untouched. The script that is required if you are using clockworks is because clockworks sbin and folder locations are setup a little different. I was running into some problems with froyo not recognizing the sdcard after making more than 4 partitions. Several had reported to me that their phones also did not recognize the sdcard, but the Eris phones somehow still did. I am working on something that should run from all android phones and allow you the option of installing whatever ROM you want.
One Last Thing..
Anyone is capable of learning how to do some development work. It just takes some patience and "Google". I had no knowledge of linux or any other scripting languages, except windows batch scripts, until 3 months ago.
There is not much activity on my thread, but once I get a working version finished it will be posted there-----Dual Boot Android
When you get it done and own working, post it in development. I only posted the thread in general because I knew I wasn't going to be the one to develop it. I'm a welder by trade and java and linux are a little beyond me. Although I am trying as I'm using Ubuntu as my main OS and starting reading java tutorials.
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You won't be able to do a simple port. I posted about it more of as a proof of concept. Take the same idea, but obviously using our espresso sense and CM6.
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If there was ever a reason to get a dev started on a project, this would be it. I would reconsider upgrading from the Slide if we had something this awesome.
unCoRrUpTeD said:
I was running into some problems with froyo not recognizing the sdcard after making more than 4 partitions. Several had reported to me that their phones also did not recognize the sdcard, but the Eris phones somehow still did. [/URL]
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From what I understand, android can not *see* more than 4 partitions so they had to do something a bit different. Somewhere in the thread that's linked it states what they did to get it to work.
s off is tmobs response to....
KCRic said:
I was reading the instructions for it and it looks like we'll have to wait for S-OFF before we can try it.
Part of the scripting is telling the phone how to partition the phone, sizes of those partitions, and so on. The slide is, generally speaking, un-brickable and it's the measures used to give us that luxury that also prevent us from doing so much like R/W on the system while in a non-recovery boot and changes we do make while booted are just wiped on reboot *sigh* man I love that ramdisk image.
Once we get S-OFF let's get this project started
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The "companies" wanted s-off due to the large number of brix getting returned for handest exchange and assurion claims, just to figure out somebody pooched sumthin up trying to be a HAXOR, if you haven't done anything like this before. Id suggest peeps get a g1 or some other root & rom-o-matic type for and play with it till you take on your brand new handset trying to install some bleenin edge hack...
You gotta learn to wank off before you can try it with somebody else in the room.
I remember my early days at xda, hacking my mda, xcaliber, and esato hacking SonyEricsson fones before they jumped the shark. People who had the ability to read and follow directions (emphasis on the read part) would study till they were sure they would still have a working fone at the end. Hung out and did great stuff with there handsets. And the noobs were wary enough to investigate before they just started mucking about.
So the handset manu. Had to do sumthin and now we have s-off.
the moral of my high and mighty rant an rave, if you don't know how to do sumthing or if you understand what to do but not the why, then keep reading, read more do less
KCRic said:
From what I understand, android can not *see* more than 4 partitions so they had to do something a bit different. Somewhere in the thread that's linked it states what they did to get it to work.
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In the newest builds they have 2.1 system on the phones system partition and froyo system on the phones data partition. The data is moved to the SD. 2.1 and previous Rome had no problem with extra partitions on the sdcard.froyo changed the way it mounts the sdcard and could only see 4.
I am actually releasing a dual boot method very shortly that should work on any android phone with very little setup required on your part. I am in the process of finalizing it. Anyone interested in testing please let me know as I want to test on as many devices ad possible
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Hi. Maybe few words about me first. I'm not a developer, I don't know how to do it and I have to ask more experienced users. Ok that's it, to the point now. Ah, and I didn't know if this thread was proper to be posted in Development sub-forum, so it's here. If it was possible, if the thread meets requirements to be there, maybe it's possible to move it there? I'm not sure how many devs visit those section, so obviously there is greater chance for finding an answer there, but again, I wasn't sure if it was right.
While I was a G1 user one genius known as "Firerat" created very nasty script - it allowed users to manually, by simply creating a .txt file on sdcard with proper values and running a .zip from recovery, resize partitions like /system, /data and /cache on the phone. I don't know if you're familiar with G1 stuff, but previous there was only one way to chage partitions and it was achieved by custom SPL called Haykuro SPL. This modification (MTD part hack) was created because of need for even more space on /data and allowed to shrink /system and /cache to smallest value possible, so /data took up as much space as it was possible. Here is source thread in G1 Development section:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=717874
There you can dive in details, because my knowledge and understanding in this things end very quickly .
On HD2, we have come a great way. From pure Windows Mobile, it was possible to run Linux kernel from sdcard by HaRET.exe, then run Android. After few month team of gods gave us MAGLDR, a tool that allows us to replace Windows Mobile from NAND with Android system. Then after few more weeks someone made Clockworkmod Recovery possible, giving us posibilty to create partitions on sdcard, do a nandroid backup/restore. But one MAJOR thing wasn't done as it should. Recovery in theory should give us possibility to flash ROMs from sdcard without need of computer. And theoretically it's possible, but... Yes, you have to have proper partition configuration flashed by DAF.exe with PC before. Imagine what a great obstacle it is for diagnosed with ORD!
Now you realise what I'm talking about? Combine these two things and bam! I'm just asking, just giving you an idea. Maybe it is possible to adapt those scripts to HD2 and replace old habits (flashing recovery by DAF.exe on PC) with simple script and one .txt file!
Again, maybe it's not possible since we are still using old SPL from WM times. Maybe MAGLDR is build in such way that those scripts are not possible. Maybe there is a thousand reasons... but I've never seen such an idea.
So please, is there one person who are good in this stuff and can explain me wether it's possible or not?
So maybe I can rest assured that I have to cure my ORD
OR
we can move on to work on making this idea reality .
cure for ORD....
I DON'T THINK SO.
Flashed from my fingers to your face
On a serious note, though, have you looked at clk? It is supposed to be useable without a pc. Therefore you can configure the partition on your phone. Is my understanding of that correct?
Maybe T-Macgnolia can explain this better than I .
I'm still trying to get my head round it, before I commit to changing over to clk...
Flashed from my fingers to your face
raven_raven said:
Hi. Maybe few words about me first. I'm not a developer, I don't know how to do it and I have to ask more experienced users. Ok that's it, to the point now. Ah, and I didn't know if this thread was proper to be posted in Development sub-forum, so it's here. If it was possible, if the thread meets requirements to be there, maybe it's possible to move it there? I'm not sure how many devs visit those section, so obviously there is greater chance for finding an answer there, but again, I wasn't sure if it was right.
While I was a G1 user one genius known as "Firerat" created very nasty script - it allowed users to manually, by simply creating a .txt file on sdcard with proper values and running a .zip from recovery, resize partitions like /system, /data and /cache on the phone. I don't know if you're familiar with G1 stuff, but previous there was only one way to chage partitions and it was achieved by custom SPL called Haykuro SPL. This modification (MTD part hack) was created because of need for even more space on /data and allowed to shrink /system and /cache to smallest value possible, so /data took up as much space as it was possible. Here is source thread in G1 Development section:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=717874
There you can dive in details, because my knowledge and understanding in this things end very quickly .
On HD2, we have come a great way. From pure Windows Mobile, it was possible to run Linux kernel from sdcard by HaRET.exe, then run Android. After few month team of gods gave us MAGLDR, a tool that allows us to replace Windows Mobile from NAND with Android system. Then after few more weeks someone made Clockworkmod Recovery possible, giving us posibilty to create partitions on sdcard, do a nandroid backup/restore. But one MAJOR thing wasn't done as it should. Recovery in theory should give us possibility to flash ROMs from sdcard without need of computer. And theoretically it's possible, but... Yes, you have to have proper partition configuration flashed by DAF.exe with PC before. Imagine what a great obstacle it is for diagnosed with ORD!
Now you realise what I'm talking about? Combine these two things and bam! I'm just asking, just giving you an idea. Maybe it is possible to adapt those scripts to HD2 and replace old habits (flashing recovery by DAF.exe on PC) with simple script and one .txt file!
Again, maybe it's not possible since we are still using old SPL from WM times. Maybe MAGLDR is build in such way that those scripts are not possible. Maybe there is a thousand reasons... but I've never seen such an idea.
So please, is there one person who are good in this stuff and can explain me wether it's possible or not?
So maybe I can rest assured that I have to cure my ORD
OR
we can move on to work on making this idea reality .
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Hello raven_raven,
This is indeed a good idea and can make our HD2 PC independable. I will support you as much I can.
Though I have some questions for you.
Q1: Is it possible for this script to brick our device?
Q2: Can we choose the partitions which we resize (for example I would like to resize only /system, /userdata and /cache and leave the others as is) and if yes the other partitions /boot, /recovery will be formated or data will be kept as is?
Q3: What the bootloader has to do with it?
Q4: What SPL has to do with it?
For your knowledge in HD2 their are 2 bootloaders, MAGLDR and cLK (cedesmith's Little Kernel) which makes HD2 a native android device.
In MAGLDR partitions are made along with the flashing of CWM with the help of DAF.exe
In cLK partitions are directly managed by the bootloader when flashed.
malybru said:
On a serious note, though, have you looked at clk? It is supposed to be useable without a pc. Therefore you can configure the partition on your phone. Is my understanding of that correct?
Maybe T-Macgnolia can explain this better than I .
I'm still trying to get my head round it, before I commit to changing over to clk...
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Tried cLK, but it can't change partitions as you would like it to, you can't change it on the go without PC.
zach.antre said:
Hello raven_raven,
This is indeed a good idea and can make our HD2 PC independable. I will support you as much I can.
Though I have some questions for you.
Q1: Is it possible for this script to brick our device?
Q2: Can we choose the partitions which we resize (for example I would like to resize only /system, /userdata and /cache and leave the others as is) and if yes the other partitions /boot, /recovery will be formated or data will be kept as is?
Q3: What the bootloader has to do with it?
Q4: What SPL has to do with it?
For your knowledge in HD2 their are 2 bootloaders, MAGLDR and cLK (cedesmith's Little Kernel) which makes HD2 a native android device.
In MAGLDR partitions are made along with the flashing of CWM with the help of DAF.exe
In cLK partitions are directly managed by the bootloader when flashed.
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A1: No, it is not possible. Firerat is genius and he does masterpiece of scripting, those scripts are 100% safe. It will of course break you ROM, but simple nandroid backup/flashing a new ROM will fix it.
A2: We resize /system, /data and /cache. You simply put two values in text files, i.e.:
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mtd 130 2
First number is how many mb you want to spend on /system, second on /cache. Rest of internal memory is used by /data. /boot and /recovery are not touched by this script.
A3: I don't know for sure, just connected it to Haykuro SPL, which also changed partitions back then.
A4: Don't know for sure, I'm simply intermediate in this stuff, just wanted to pass an idea, I don't have required knowledge and experience to make this idea come true.
I know that there are 2 bootloaders, but I don't know how they work and how far you can modify partitions from recovery by using each of them. HD2 obviously isn't a native Android phone and regarding that either this idea may be impossible to implement or has to be completely redesigned. I really don't know .
Just wanted to pass an idea, but I'm terribly dissapointed how little response I received...
Well you would have more people responsed if you were posting in development forum under the label [call for development].
cLK is modified "little kernel" for HD2...
since there is no danger of bricking our device I am going to test it and report.
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zach.antre said:
Well you would have more people responsed if you were posting in development forum under the label [call for development].
cLK is modified "little kernel" for HD2...
since there is no danger of bricking our device I am going to test it and report.
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Great thing to see that someone tries. Be warned though, I'm not responsible for any data loss and damages or whatever, as always . Please be sure that you read original thread and understood how this script is working.
Maybe I'll ask a mod to move this thread to Development section...
raven_raven said:
Great thing to see that someone tries. Be warned though, I'm not responsible for any data loss and damages or whatever, as always . Please be sure that you read original thread and understood how this script is working.
Maybe I'll ask a mod to move this thread to Development section...
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Yeah i did, don't worry about it.
I have read the original thread, i have compared the different devices mount points (as much i could) and conclude that is the same.
What i have also noticed is that kernel must be patch in order for this script to work and the script checks for a specific bootloader? I'm not sure, i need to restudy that thread.
Anyway, I tried using the script but didn't happen anything.
I formated all partitions except /boot and /recovery
I first created the mtdpartmap.txt in SD root and flashed via CWM the script FR-recovery-v1.5.8-CustomMTD_S.zip
Then reboot and again to recovery
Flashed ROM and then flashed FR-boot-v1.5.8-CustomMTD_S.zip
Reboot to ROM worked fine.
I run terminal
#df
Sizes where the same as before
Exactly, first you apply new partition map to recovery, next you install ROM in those new partitions either by flashing or nandroid backup-ing, then patch kernel to work with this new layout.
Huh, it would be too easy to simply run it and bam! it works. Even Firerat made different scripts for different devices. I'm curious what's the problem. Is recovery on a different level than those in native Android devices, which means that it can't change partition size? Or is it just problem of adjusting script to HD2 like it was done for Hero or Evo? I wonder if Firerat would like to investigate, but it would be impossible to achieve it without HD2, and from what I know he does not have one.
What person should I ask to move my thread to another section?
raven_raven said:
Exactly, first you apply new partition map to recovery, next you install ROM in those new partitions either by flashing or nandroid backup-ing, then patch kernel to work with this new layout.
Huh, it would be too easy to simply run it and bam! it works. Even Firerat made different scripts for different devices. I'm curious what's the problem. Is recovery on a different level than those in native Android devices, which means that it can't change partition size? Or is it just problem of adjusting script to HD2 like it was done for Hero or Evo? I wonder if Firerat would like to investigate, but it would be impossible to achieve it without HD2, and from what I know he does not have one.
What person should I ask to move my thread to another section?
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Well, I guess Firerat need to come by and post a thread in HD2 Dev forum since it is his work.
He could ask what info he needs for the HD2 such as partition layout and filesystem in each partition etc... I am sure many people are willing to help with that.
I also think that SPL is locking the partition tables (not sure) and the way we are flashing just overcome that. Else when i used the script should have f**cked up my partitioning.
You can ask an HD2 moderator to move this thread but first ask for Firerat permission.
Can you dual boot or any other way to have 2 different roms installed at the same time,so i can switch back and forth?Like windows either at boot or logging in and out of 2 different desktops.
Maybe find a way to split the partitions.Any suggestions would be great.
Duel= 2 roms fighting. Make it dual. Thought it was funny, no malice intended.
lol - duel - dual...
It would be interesting if that was possible. There would have to be another program in there to act as the buffer between both OS's though - that would take control of the start-up, hold on a page that has both options and then would boot the option you want.
Not sure if that's possible since some files are right on the root and in order to have an OS work it can't have files in the same directory - they would just overwrite each other.
But, I too, have wondered if it would ever happen. Be a great way to test new ROM's if you didn't always have to overwrite the existing ROM but rather, you could place a new ROM in a special directory and then run it from that - or partition the internal memory with the new partition available to boot from and store.
partition the internal memory with the new partition available to boot from and store.
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Thats exactly what i was thinking,partition the system os,i rebuild computers and a little system modding in windows,but this is a linux based os,so it would be a little odd for me.I'm gonna look into this a little more.
You may try to contact the guys who developed boot manager. www.init2winitapps.com they have a listing of supported devices and a request form. Works on the thunderbolt 5 slots for 5 roms, I'm unsure how difficult it would be to add support for the iconia.
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ibsk8 said:
You may try to contact the guys who developed boot manager. www.init2winitapps.com they have a listing of supported devices and a request form. Works on the thunderbolt 5 slots for 5 roms, I'm unsure how difficult it would be to add support for the iconia.
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Thanks,i submitted the idea,lets see if they will run with it,hopefully they will find interest.
Hello Diabblo,
Any update on that?
I think the idea of dual boot (or 5al boot) is just fantastic!
I have beside my iconia a501 a poor old zt180s and it can triple boot on android, ubuntu and WinCE!
Best,
Inji.
inji75 said:
Hello Diabblo,
Any update on that?
I think the idea of dual boot (or 5al boot) is just fantastic!
I have beside my iconia a501 a poor old zt180s and it can triple boot on android, ubuntu and WinCE!
Best,
Inji.
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Im guessing that device has a open non encrypted boot loader. The Iconia was encrypted at birth with the 3.2 push they tightened security even more from whqt I have read.So this is likely never happening unless acer changes ttjere boot loader policy.not likely to happen.
hope this helps you understand more of this issue.
I'm dual-booting my A500 right now with ICS and Ubuntu. The method for dual-booting is a replacement recovery.img which contains a Linux kernel and acts as a bootloader for Linux. Ubuntu itself runs from a rootfs.img on the internal storage (there's also recovery.img's available to run from external SD too). If I want to run Android, I just boot my tab normally. When I wanna run Ubuntu, I hold vol+ as I'm turning it on to force the modded recovery to load. It's a pretty cool setup more info in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1158260
Dear Erica Renee and Bloodflame,
Thanks a lot for your answers. Ok, I got it with the encrypted bootloader.
Will try the method described by Bloodflame.
Actually, since I got these tablets my main use of them is flashing new ROMs... I don't really have the use of new ROMs but I think it's so exciting!
Cheers,
Inji.
I don't believe the encryption is the problem.
The current boot loader is available unencrypted in update packages if anyone want to have a look at it.
Replacing the boot loader on the device is done as part of a down grade procedure described elsewhere on this forum.
So unless I'm missing something, the problem is more likely time and interest. Someone need to care enough about it and have the time to make some other boot loader work. Or patch Acer's. Either way it is likely to require quite a bit of time and patience.
So let me see if I have this correct. Acer's hardware bios code is 'locked down' enough to keep the average code manipulator out? A custom boot loader needs to be dev'd that can communicate correctly to be able to handle Android recovery and a linux/android boot screen etc. ? Could someone elaborate more blatantly if I am incorrect...
UPDATE: it works. see my link below. If anyone knows how to root I'd appreciate if you reply.
Hi
I own a Linx 7 windows tablet. Android x86 builds have not been great due to lack of sound and other driver issues.
I want to flash the bios - the dual boot one - from the cube iwork7 tablet.
In a youtube video by "Mr Borshchuk" - i cant post links, the cube is shown here running the LINX bios, the same version as my tablet. Can I do the reverse and flash the cube dual boot bios on my Linx?
Do you think this would work?
They seem to have the same spec etc and I'm guessing the same board- the cube just has a silver back. All ports are in the same place.
UPDATE: After looking more on 4pda, the iwork seems to come in 1/16GB variants and 2/32GB variants. My linx has 1GB of ram but 32gb of storage. Would this be an issue? My search also confirmed they are hardware clones.
So, that's the BIOS flash method. My other thought is is there a way to boot the android rom from the cube tablet from the stock linx bios? I have tried using the androidx86 bootloader combined with parts of the cube image and parts of androidx86 but, as expected, it didn't work.
So: I'm currently downloading the dual-boot bios from 4pda. Should I flash to my Linx?
Thanks. I've always loved XDA.
androidonlinx said:
Hi
I own a Linx 7 windows tablet. Android x86 builds have not been great due to lack of sound and other driver issues.
I want to flash the bios - the dual boot one - from the cube iwork7 tablet.
In a youtube video by "Mr Borshchuk" - i cant post links, the cube is shown here running the LINX bios, the same version as my tablet. Can I do the reverse and flash the cube dual boot bios on my Linx?
Do you think this would work?
They seem to have the same spec etc and I'm guessing the same board- the cube just has a silver back. All ports are in the same place.
UPDATE: After looking more on 4pda, the iwork seems to come in 1/16GB variants and 2/32GB variants. My linx has 1GB of ram but 32gb of storage. Would this be an issue? My search also confirmed they are hardware clones.
So, that's the BIOS flash method. My other thought is is there a way to boot the android rom from the cube tablet from the stock linx bios? I have tried using the androidx86 bootloader combined with parts of the cube image and parts of androidx86 but, as expected, it didn't work.
So: I'm currently downloading the dual-boot bios from 4pda. Should I flash to my Linx?
Thanks. I've always loved XDA.
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I just thought what's the worst that could happen and flashed the bios. it worked. installing android and windows now.
EDIT: Android works. If anyone wants to know how I did this, please reply
EDIT: Windows works. I have achieved a dual boot setup .
androidonlinx said:
I just thought what's the worst that could happen and flashed the bios. it worked. installing android and windows now.
EDIT: Android works. If anyone wants to know how I did this, please reply
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Windows works. .linxtablet.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=1462&p=8748#p8748 is a guide. I am that user.
Can you just flash the android with this? I've no need for windows but if you could please share some info on the procedure.
Thanks
redeyes_ni said:
Can you just flash the android with this? I've no need for windows but if you could please share some info on the procedure.
Thanks
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Check my 'link' to LinxTablet forums. You have to flash both but you can just ignore Windows and have a 16GB android partition.
androidonlinx said:
Check my 'link' to LinxTablet forums. You have to flash both but you can just ignore Windows and have a 16GB android partition.
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Done all that which was handy enough so thanks but the android partition is only showing up as:
Internal Storage
Total Space: 4.36GB
I've loaded some apps which leaves me 2 GB free.
The only other partition is the external SD. Is there something I need to do to get the rest of the 16GB? Seems to me that it hasn't mounted or partitioned the internal memory correctly. The tablet is 32GB and I'm not concerned at just using the 16GB for android but with 2 GB left it's going to be a bit tight for apps.
Thanks again, any help would be appreciated.
I'm not sure. I'll check mine tonight but I remember having more storage than that. Are you sure your tablet is a 32gb version
Try using Minitool or Easus on the Windows side to resize the android partition if you can, or even just view the layout.
KitKat lacks support for apps to extsd. Root would mean we can fix this. The device does not support USB as port is otg and charge only so root has to be done with APK on tablet or on offline android fs from Windows. Anyone know how to root?
EDIT: checked. I have 3.43 GB free. Sorry, should have checked earlier. Android system takes up 2GB not shown, storage is only 28GB after bootloader, BIOS partition huge due to touch support in menus plus unnecessary drivers, plus I imagine the EFI partition was wrongly sized. This is fine for me, but will look into when I am working on Android again.
Currently not working on Android any more (fruity-based desktop OS port instead) but will come back to it. Hoping to also create an Androidx86 build to avoid BIOS flashing, but the BIOS flash does mean you have 64bit EFI on the Android side so can boot Win7, Darwin (you know what I mean ) and Ubuntu without modification.
Still looking to root. Anyone?
androidonlinx said:
I'm not sure. I'll check mine tonight but I remember having more storage than that. Are you sure your tablet is a 32gb version
Try using Minitool or Easus on the Windows side to resize the android partition if you can, or even just view the layout.
KitKat lacks support for apps to extsd. Root would mean we can fix this. The device does not support USB as port is otg and charge only so root has to be done with APK on tablet or on offline android fs from Windows. Anyone know how to root?
EDIT: checked. I have 3.43 GB free. Sorry, should have checked earlier. Android system takes up 2GB not shown, storage is only 28GB after bootloader, BIOS partition huge due to touch support in menus plus unnecessary drivers, plus I imagine the EFI partition was wrongly sized. This is fine for me, but will look into when I am working on Android again.
Currently not working on Android any more (fruity-based desktop OS port instead) but will come back to it. Hoping to also create an Androidx86 build to avoid BIOS flashing, but the BIOS flash does mean you have 64bit EFI on the Android side so can boot Win7, Darwin (you know what I mean ) and Ubuntu without modification.
Still looking to root. Anyone?
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Thanks man. I'll try to resize the partition if/when I need it. Great work, well appreciated.
androidonlinx said:
Currently not working on Android any more (fruity-based desktop OS port instead) but will come back to it. Hoping to also create an Androidx86 build to avoid BIOS flashing, but the BIOS flash does mean you have 64bit EFI on the Android side so can boot Win7, Darwin (you know what I mean ) and Ubuntu without modification.
Still looking to root. Anyone?
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Any bugs to note with the *toshing?
Rooting wise I can see two options. 1. mount the android system in windows with ext2 viewer or something and root it manually using a SuperSU.zip or better yet with linux (to avoid permissions issues). 2. Is there any other stage in the android boot process that you can halt it at? Dnx mode or droidboot (I'm assuming similar setup to chuwi vi10), where perhaps the usb will work in slave mode and it is identified as a fastboot device, allowing you to flash a custom recovery/root.
HypoTurtle said:
Any bugs to note with the *toshing?
Rooting wise I can see two options. 1. mount the android system in windows with ext2 viewer or something and root it manually using a SuperSU.zip or better yet with linux (to avoid permissions issues). 2. Is there any other stage in the android boot process that you can halt it at? Dnx mode or droidboot (I'm assuming similar setup to chuwi vi10), where perhaps the usb will work in slave mode and it is identified as a fastboot device, allowing you to flash a custom recovery/root.
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Good idea. The flash is done using droidboot but I cannot get back into recovery again
androidonlinx said:
Good idea. The flash is done using droidboot but I cannot get back into recovery again
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If its anything like the vi10 then Dnx mode is volume up and power from device off. Volume down and power is Windows/Android switcher. Volume down once the android logo appears will boot into droidboot.
Then there is the question of if you have a working custom recovery to flash, I think any of the baytrail recoveries from Dell/Chuwi etc. devices would work - will a kernel change if needed, and if the buttons work to enter recovery.
HypoTurtle said:
If its anything like the vi10 then Dnx mode is volume up and power from device off. Volume down and power is Windows/Android switcher. Volume down once the android logo appears will boot into droidboot.
Then there is the question of if you have a working custom recovery to flash, I think any of the baytrail recoveries from Dell/Chuwi etc. devices would work - will a kernel change if needed, and if the buttons work to enter recovery.
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Will try this when I next have some spare time and my Linx to hand.
Knowing the reputation if Cube it wouldn't suprise me if the stock recovery allowed custom zips but otherwise I will try and flash another recovery from a similar tablet.
I'll take another look on 4pda to see if they have achieved root there too
Thanks again
I have root if anyone is interested email me on [email protected]
HypoTurtle said:
If its anything like the vi10 then Dnx mode is volume up and power from device off. Volume down and power is Windows/Android switcher. Volume down once the android logo appears will boot into droidboot.
Then there is the question of if you have a working custom recovery to flash, I think any of the baytrail recoveries from Dell/Chuwi etc. devices would work - will a kernel change if needed, and if the buttons work to enter recovery.
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I got root working on my linx7 with the icube dual boot email me and I will tell you how
Hi mate, I found you late but really wants to know how to install Android in Linx 7, I don't wan windows at all, please reply
Thanks
U
onlinejobwork said:
Hi mate, I found you late but really wants to know how to install Android in Linx 7, I don't wan windows at all, please reply
Thanks
U
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Go to linxtablet.co.uk I put my work on there it does mean flashing the bios so backup your product key also the Android partition is only 4gig so you can dual boot and have both I did find a way of making it 8gig but it was messy and buggy
[email protected] said:
Go to linxtablet.co.uk I put my work on there it does mean flashing the bios so backup your product key also the Android partition is only 4gig so you can dual boot and have both I did find a way of making it 8gig but it was messy and buggy
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any direct link please ?
onlinejobwork said:
any direct link please ?
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http://linxtablet.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2096