Anyone have the knowledge to use multiple Micro-SD cards in the BA,
using an switch and and Micro-SD bridge?
Would be great if we could use more then one SD and up the available space.
Or maybe add two Micro-SD's to one adapter.
hmmm, intresting idea.
but i think the maximum space will be 4gb, due the fact that there is no SDHC driver for BA...
seems to be some kind of fat 16/32 problem.
could you post a link or a picture of the product you plan on using, i can't really picture it.
but if you already have something like that, you could also explain the way it works with a pc card reader.
here are some options i could imagine:
1. if you can combine 2 cards to some sort of raid system offering you one partition from 2 cards, it wouldn't work because of the maximum partition size.
2. if you actually switch between the cards and both are 4gb max, i could imagine that it works, on the other hand, when letting an adaptor for mini-sd or micro-sd in and just change the "small" inside card, it does not recognize the change. also, that wouldn't be such a great advantage in storage space, just a better way to carry a 2nd card.
3. if it combines 2 cards for permanent use of both and they are presented as 2 different partitions, it just might work, as the BA also supports several partitions on one sd card, and that way, data traffic between the 2 cards would also be possible.
also, i have to throw in: the fat16/32 in this case just influences the maximum file size, not the partition size. if the ba could just read fat16, you could simply make several 4gb partitions on a sdhc card ...if there was a sdhc driver.
There are a few card adapters for Stick Pro Duo that are for dual microSD cards. I don't think I have ever seen it for microSD to SD.
Hey Chef, here is a link for that
http://www.amazon.com/MicroSD-MicroSDHC-Adapter-Converts-Cards/dp/B001RPEJA4
It is a pretty nice idea and probably the BA will just see it as another drive (ie Storage Card1 and Storage Card2).
Those MicroSD > MS adapters look very interesting indeed.
Something like that would be great for SD as well. Havn't found anything though.
That is rather interesting..
But I think we are going to have to be creative here, and
make one our self.
Before attaching, and possibly destroying, some cards I would like some more information if possible.
Will/can the adapter detect them as two cards if we connect them together. Detect them as two partitions..
Or will it mess up completely.(Possibly) The BA can handle more memory, and will rename it's location accordingly that's for sure, but through an standard SD bridge..?
Can the internal bridge handle more then one device at a time..?
External: TV, GPS, Radio, Camera, WiFi ect. can be used with the SDIO interface, so it may be possible along those lines,
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http://www.amazon.com/MicroSD-MicroSDHC-Adapter-Converts-Cards/dp/B001RPEJA4
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this adapter MS PRO DUO
fanik said:
this adapter MS PRO DUO
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If you read my post, you would see that I said that even before the link was posted...
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I would like to set up my Exec to use a external hard drive to access files. Is it possible to connect and use a external hard drive on my PPC?
You can your ppc into a USD memory stick, however there are considerations :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=45411
Only managed to do it via wifi. Just for streaming video and music.
You can't connect external drive to universal, because it does not have USB host functionality.
The only way is to connect over WIFi, there is an ASUS WiFi external drive that works like this.
Of course you can use WiFi, UMTS or even BT to connect to your home machine and access stuff or you can use services like Avvenu or ORB for this...
Where could I get a Bluetooth external drive at?
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Where could I get a Bluetooth external drive at?
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To my knowledge you can't.As far as I know there is no BT drives on the market. The only solution is WiFi or internet service.
OK. Thank you. Myabe I can get a WIFI Drive.
We already have 4gb sd cards for little money, 8 gb for a bit more, and 32 gb on the way to market. That's why there are no hard disks for Universal.
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We already have 4gb sd cards for little money, 8 gb for a bit more, and 32 gb on the way to market. That's why there are no hard disks for Universal.
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I don't think Universal has support for High Capacity SD cards.
"Normal" SD standard only supports sizes up to 2Gb. There are some 4Gb cards that work in some machines (but it's not 100%).
The newer cards are SDHC specification, that is a revision of original SD standard, and your machine has to support SDHC in order to use such cards, unfortunatelly I don't think Universal does support this...
Several members of this forum are using 4gb sd cards with Universal
4gb cards work fine with the universal as it can read FAT32.
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4gb cards work fine with the universal as it can read FAT32.
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This has nothing to do with ability to read FAT32 - as far as I know pretty much any WM device reads FAT32. It has to do with the fact that SD specification goes onlt to 2Gb. There are some 4Gb cards that go around the 2Gb limitation, and you can use these cards in SD capable devices - but it's not guaranteed that such card will work.
The new SDHC cards, are bult with new specification, and you have to have a device capable of reading such cards.
I don't know if Universal, or any other current WM device supports this or if a software patch can help.
Basically what you have to be aware is that if you buy HC card, you sould better test it first in your device, to make sure it will work!
AFAIK Secure Digital High Capacity SDHC is just fat 32 which the UNI has no problem with, the devices that will really struggle are the likes of cameras
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AFAIK Secure Digital High Capacity SDHC is just fat 32 which the UNI has no problem with, the devices that will really struggle are the likes of cameras
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Like I said, I'm not sure if SDHC will work in Universal or any other current WM machine - I would definatelly be carefull.
On the other hand I'm also not sure why FAT32 would be the difference between SD and SDHC, as I had most of my cards formatted with FAT32 since at least my iPAQ in 2003...
Anyhow here is a link with announcement about SDHC, that clearly states 2Gb limit of "normal" SD cards, but no details on technical differences of both specifications.
http://www.sdcard.org/events/SDHC_Release06.pdf
my 4gb works flawless...
but thats also thanks to newer rom (since older roms had the camera problem)
im sure when the 1st 8gb SD cards become available someone will try if it works and we will also know...
if it wont work well in 1st attempt, maybe a rom-update could fix it 8)
This has now gone off topic!!
I spend alot of my time in forums just searching in order not to make usless or double posts in regards to what I require!!
There are threads open already in regards to the high capacity SD cards sao why are they not being used?
In regards to the external hd on universal believe this to be case closed unless someone has something to input about it....actually about it!
This forum is great but unfortunatelly already bad for indexing for search purposes....lets not make it worst.
WBR
My 4gb works fine. Only problem is that I still have the original rom and needed less than 2gb free space for it to work, but then that was why I got a bigger card...
I just bought an transcend 2gb 80x card and it works untill i leave the phone for a bit or it has done some kind of acces to the card and all of a
sudden the card is not seen by the phone.
Now i am going to write a mail to see what can be the problem since it
works fine in my card-reader in my pc. On the other hand it works fine in
the phone too untill it suddenly dissapeared. One time i seen this 2 files that
where on the card after it "died" .. one little file and some sort of bin file .
which looked to me like it was some sort of cd image..
Anyone had similar problems ?
Allthough i read somewhere that so called SDHC are not supported i found
some registry values in the device area that at least tells the operating system supports it, so does the build-in card reader. which suggests that 4gb cards should work, but i'm no guru at this matter so i cant tell for sure.
here is a site which has a lot of minisd cards http://www.flash-memory-store.com/mini-secure-digital.html
If you bought a 4gb miniSD card you got ripped off.
There is no such thing available to the public yet.
Any miniSD card claiming to be 4gb are just miniSD cards that are actually smaller capacity with hacked firmware to make them appear as 4gb to operating systems.
If you don't believe me have a look at Transcend's official website:
http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=17&LangNo=0
No 4gb cards listed. Only 2gb.
SanDisk is working on a new miniSD standard called miniSDHC that will be able to hold 4gb of data, but current miniSD devices will not be able to use this miniSDHC cards.
Read up on SanDisk's website here:
http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/PressRoom/PressReleases/PressRelease.aspx?ID=3530
I beg to differ. I just loaded my MiniSD card that I bought on eBay PAST 2gb (with porn RSS feeds nonetheless) and it's working just fine. There have also been other successful cards purchased from well known retails.
2GB MiniSD formatted = 1907MB (or around that) showing on the memory readout for memory card... I have used 1964mb and am still writing, now 1965, and 66. As long as it works and I don't lose data, fine. I could care less. Most of us have hacked our Wizards, which could have severe repercussions in the future, but does it really seem like any of us care?
If they were hacked to appear as 4gb and only 2gb, that would MEAN that at 1907mb, my device would have crashed because it couldn't write anymore even though it thinks it can. However, that is not the case with these cards, and to hack the card to put some sort of "compression" built in, is impractical, not feasible, and impossible without some software or extra hardware chip in the middle of the entire process, thus raising the cost of them. There is none of that at work here, this is straight up flash memory, 4gb of it. The fact that I'm speaking from experience, watching my Wizard RIGHT NOW writing more than 2gb of data to the card with no problem, able to play the video back without issue, says, in all practicality, that the damn thing is 4gb and works. Now if you want to dispute this I am attaching screenshots from inside the device proving this point.
Oh and if you're looking for a working 4gb card like I have: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1100646
You don't seem to understand how solid state memory works.
Come back in a month or 2 and let me know how well that card is working for you
I gaurantee you that card will die in a short amount of time.
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You don't seem to understand how solid state memory works.
Come back in a month or 2 and let me know how well that card is working for you
I gaurantee you that card will die in a short amount of time.
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So what you're sitting there telling me, is that manufacturers knowingly produce 4gb+ capacity flash chips, and then mark them 2gb with a "firmware" flash? How insane is that? Flash chips are based on the same level of technology that RAM is. Switching circuits, 1 OR 0, and there is a predefined and set amount of switching circuits on any chip as manufactured by the companies. Now, what you're sitting here trying to tell me, is by a simple "firmware" flash, these chips are holding DOUBLE their original PHYSICAL capacity on a technology that is a static, unexpandable, and certainly not double-bit compatible. How much else are you going to say to defend this? Just your "wait 2 months and tell me how that card is working"? It's not going to cut it, you cannot make a 2gb card appear as a 4gb and then enable it to fill the card to 4gb. There is only 1 type of "flash" memory that is double-bit, it's expensive as ****, and would certainly not afford such low pricetags as we're finding. Your arguement is flawed. Show me some documentation on a solid state flash card, NAND to be specific, that has the ability to "expand" it's capacity BEYOND it's physical limitations. Look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory
Just defending my point.
I'm not going to argue a point I already proved in my 1st post.
Read the 2 links.
as far as i know there is no miniSD 4gb card. THERE IS HOWEVER A 4Gb SDHC mini. From other posts that i have read on cingular, all you need to do is forat the card on an external reader on your computer and then the card will read and write like a mini SD card
http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=129&LangNo=0
Just wondering why there is still so much rumor about that topic - dozens of people already reported 4GB miniSD cards to work on their PDAs and hundreds of them have been sold at ebay. Nobody ever complained about a 4GB card (NOT marked as SDHC) not to work on their PDA - so what's the point in questioning that?? I personally don't care whether these ones are HC or not, as long as they work and hold 4GB of data, which was proofed by so many people...
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Just wondering why there is still so much rumor about that topic - dozens of people already reported 4GB miniSD cards to work on their PDAs and hundreds of them have been sold at ebay. Nobody ever complained about a 4GB card (NOT marked as SDHC) not to work on their PDA - so what's the point in questioning that?? I personally don't care whether these ones are HC or not, as long as they work and hold 4GB of data, which was proofed by so many people...
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THANK YOU! Yeesh, how hard is it to ACCEPT that there are 4gb miniSD cards, even if they're NOT made and marked by some big overpriced company? You'd buy a stick of 4gb DDR or DDR2 RAM for your computer if it was available, even if it was with a brand you'd never heard of, or no brand marking at all. Why the hell should miniSD be any different?
GldRush, your two links, point to a specific manufacturer's "standards" for how to make a 4gb miniSD work (when other companies have already adapted normal miniSD to 4gb), and an online retailer (who's not obligated to carry a 4gb miniSD or may not have any in stock). My link however points towards known information proving my point in the fact you can't have more memory than there is physically storable, no matter how you "hack" a card. (Change alloc tables, it just changes sector sizes, compression is illogical and impractical, hacking the card to appear as 4gb when it's a 2gb yields the results we saw from another person's venture showing half-full card all the time.) You say your point is proven with those 2 links, it's not.
can you point us to this topic jimmyjam ?
as i looked on transcend site i came up to this:
compatibilitylist for wizard memcards
now my question is wouldn't it be a strange idea to think this 4gb minisd normal ones are actually refurnished mmc cards ?
here is the datasheet of the card i bought :
pdf datasheet 2gb 80x transcend minisd
so it should be working fine in my wizard but it does strange things... same happend in this other wizard before and after a new rom upgrade.. and in this nokia n73... but the cardreader which is a usb2.0 56-sorts-of-memcard-reading device has no problem with it. I'm totally lost on it. could it be the power the card needs or its thin size ?
1) Setup driver fix (look attach)
2) Format SDHC (use RescoExloerer)
lvsw, you rock
@Ivsw,
Is this fix a global fix for mini sd, or is it just if you have a SDHC card? In other words, will it mess things up if you just have a standard 4gb card? My card is pretty reliable right now (with a couple of exceptions here and there) and I don't want to make things worse. Thanks.
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@Ivsw,
Is this fix a global fix for mini sd, or is it just if you have a SDHC card? In other words, will it mess things up if you just have a standard 4gb card? My card is pretty reliable right now (with a couple of exceptions here and there) and I don't want to make things worse. Thanks.
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For SDHC only
Hi,
has anyone tested this Fix on other Devices and was able to use SDHC?
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1) Setup driver fix (look attach)
2) Format SDHC (use RescoExloerer)
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Hm, I may have done it wrong, but it still disconnects the card when the Trinity goes to sleep.
I installed the driver (upon completion of the install it says it may not display properly because it is for a older system, or something like that.)
Then I opened Resco and formatted the card. I thought there was a difference in formatting schemes, but Resco did not offer an option for SDHC formatting, should there have been one? It seems like it's FAT32.
Am I lost and doing something wrong here?
Thanks!
There is no driver, or any other files, installed by this cab.
It contains registry settings for two keys, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\SDHC and HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS
The values that are set are the exact same ones that are the defaults in the first DOPOD GPS enabled test rom, with just one exception being a cache size parameter that is changed from 0 to 4K; that's all.
So installing this cab will not cure the SDHC problems that people, myself included, are having with the DOPOD test rom.
Thanks its. Bummer:-( I guess I'll have to shelve the 4GB card until someone figures out a fix for this. It sucks:-((((
so for someone in the market for a 4GB card, would you people suggest miniSD or miniSDHC?
Based on my personal experience I definitely wouldn't recommend a SDHC one for the Trinity right now.
Of course the problems with directories appearing empty and the need to reset etc. could be fixed in a later release; but right now, no.
but this doesn't happen with 4GB miniSD also?
No; I have a 4GB FAT32 formatted miniSD from Moby Memory, and this one has been working for about a month without any problems.
Just be aware that it is quite slow compared to say a 2GB Sandisk Ultra.
I guess I am confused a bit here. My Transcend 4GB card arrived as SDHC, and had the disconnect problems in the Trinity (if the Trinity goes to sleep, upon its waking up, the card does not reconnect and it, and all applications and databases residing on it, appear to be missing, until it's taken out and placed back in, or until a restart.)
I formatted the card to FAT32, once in a Casio Exilim camera (USB 2, great to use as a fast card reader and once with Resco. Neither had any effect on the disconnect problem.
Is SDHC a different medium, or a formatting scheme, and if a different medium, why am I able to format it as FAT32, and have it still show as 4GB?
The 4GB card itself is working great in two cameras, so I don't think the problem is with it, but rather with the ability of the Trinity beta ROM to handle it. Hopefully HTC will fix it in the final ROM, or someone more knowledgeable than me will come up with a solution.
In the meantime, I've gone back to a 2GB card, which works just fine, but it is way too small to hold all the stuff I need it to hold.
SDHC has a different internal protocol, a different microcontroller AFAIK. No different format (format just follows the normal "mass storage" guidelines) or real hardware (in the sense of using different kind of transistors or something).
Why wouldn't it be formated as FAT32 and show as 4GB?
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Is SDHC a different medium, or a formatting scheme, and if a different medium, why am I able to format it as FAT32, and have it still show as 4GB?
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Yes, SDHC is different. It follows the SDA 2.0 standard and uses a different adressing method than SDA 1.0/1.1
Have look at this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1083860&highlight=sdhc#post1083860
O.K., thanks. I think I get it, sort of.
Would it matter at all to stability, if the 4GB SDHC card is formatted FAT or FAT 32, or any other parameters are changed?
I guess I am puzzled at what might be the causing the post-sleep "disappearing files/card" problem. It seems like a software glitch, and I am wondering if a different formatting scheme might help?
My trinity can't find 4 Gb SDHC card after this patch was aplied. What should I do to fix it?
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My trinity can't find 4 Gb SDHC card after this patch was aplied. What should I do to fix it?
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If your card is corrupted, you may need to reformat it. That happened to me too. I'm going to try and format the card in a newer camera that supports SDHC.
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If your card is corrupted, you may need to reformat it. That happened to me too. I'm going to try and format the card in a newer camera that supports SDHC.
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It works! I went to the local camera shop and inserted my Transcend 4gb miniSD card and formatted it. Now my Trinity can read it again. I'm going to stick with my TopRam normal 4gb until this file dropping issue is solved.
I've formatted my card in camera abd this helps. But this card doesn't work for trinty anyway
i recently stumbled on a thread on Hackaday, where there was one entry where he managed to piggy back the connection of the SD and hard wired it to a SD Wifi, leaving the SD slot open for a SD memory card (parallel connection).
The question is, is it possible to do the same on an Atom? or any PPC for that matter? Maybe, a dummy SD or minisd with two MiniSD2SD connectors (for holder) in parallel so you could connect a minisd memory on one and a minisd wifi on the other. I wonder if the parallel connection will work?
Also correct me if im wrong, but i read somewhere that the SDIO uses two modes of communication with the SD, one is serial i think and the other is direct or something, but the latter is much slower and only good for devices like wifi and stuff and the direct method is for memory. So saying that, i guess 2 Memory card is not possible, and only Device and Memory is quite plausible.
I hope its possible. Anyone care to enlighten the subject?
why do you need to install an sdio wifi card to your atom when it already has built-in wifi? Anyway, it would be better if someone can make a sd to usb converter. This way, we can expand the sd card capacity to that of a flash drive. or maybe we can expand the RAM by replacing it with a flash drive? Anyway, maybe an expert can give his 2 cents on this.
Hi,
I am by no means tech savvy with my BA. Overtime, I have managed to upgrade mine from 2003 to wm6. And each time I did it, i held my breathe....lol
Since my searching the forums, I only see support for the 4 gig non sdhc cards...I have a 4 gig non sdhc capacity card now and it works fine.....and yes, I see all the complaints about posting on the sdhc compliant cards. I am aware the driver for the sd reader, has to be custom written specifically for the BA, since the BA was not designed to upgraded to wm6 in the first place. Is the 5.2.1933 compatible with sdhc protocol itself? I am seeing that some of the newer htc phones may nor may not be sdhc compatible as well.
Well, has anyone tried a Sd-micro Sd adapter, like this one, and just skip SD and move to microSD. There is 6 gig card in the below link.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?page=2&Nav=|c:1579|&Sort=4&Recs=10
There is already a 8 gig coming, found one for 135.00 and now, I stumbled across a 12 announced like 8 days ago at engadget.
Anyone tried any of this, the microSD adapter? This is an external bypass i would think, but with these cooked roms, I never know what works and what doesn't. I can't get my phone to turn off using the com manager, (i am not complaining, I just know there are still issues with WM6 not being bug free)
Would you have a speed issue? In other words, yes, i know there is a hack, to get music to not skip, that has to do with the bit rate transfer. That is the bug fix for that issue. Would you get more problems like this adapter, due to the driver and/or incompatibilty of transfer rates?
edit: I am using 5.2.1933 build
Answer is simple: If the MicroSD card is a normal SD, it will work. If it's SDHC, it won't. MicroSD adapter is just a size converter: there is no electronics inside. SD card, miniSD and microSD are identical from protocol point of view. SD and SDHC is identical. They have just different sizes.
Thanks for the reply.
i think all the new big gig cards are gonna be sdhc or sd 2.0 compliant. I am still struggling with all these things, sd 1 sd 1.1 sd 2.0, micro, mini etc. It is so confusing.
Guess its time for a touch cruise. It has gps
Thanks.
There are 8gb standard sd cards on ebay. Anyone used any one of those? I bought one but found it was a 4gb hacked to display 8gb and had read and write errors and subsequently was useless. Are there any genuine standard non-sdhc 8 gb cards out there?
It is not technically possible to do SD non-HC card over 4GB. Normal SD ends on 1GB, with some tricks you gen achieve up to 4GB with limited compatibility. But there is no way to have non-HC cards bigger than 4GB.