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Hi , i just got a new XDA IIi , but it has only 64MB Flash size, the new one was supoused to have 128MB flash ,I saw it on the O 2 web site, then why my device is only showing half of it?
Woud this slow down my device, is there any way to fix this??
Help me please i am very confused
sincerely:
Jorge
Xda IIi
There is nothing to fix Bro. Please refer to screenshot.
The Xda series have always needed tweaking and modifying so the performance and stability depends on the owners' effort.
It sucks but hey, we are still buying them anyway.
i mentioned this in another thread, but does it make sense that because it says there is 59.68MB free in the flash storage, the rest of the rom is stored in the other 70MB odd that is missing to make up the 128mb? i would assume the whole rom installed saved in just 6mb to make up 64mb if you get what i mean?
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the total flash size is 128 mb or 64mb
the available flash space (storage) is 59.68mb
this leaves about 70mb (128 - 59.68) for the rom if the total flash size is 128,
or leaves about 5mb (64 - 59.68) for the rom if the total flash size is 64mb.
and i just cant imagine the whole rom fitting on to only 5mb..
i jsut checked my friend's mini, which definitely has 64mb of flash, and his storage free is only 7mb, so his rom is about 57mb, which confirms my theory (assuming i'm right about rom and storage size adding up to give the total flash memory size)
First of all Happy New Year to all of you!
I'm going to cook some roms in the next few days and was wondering what the max working ROM size is. I want to build a ROM with as much apps as possible. Are there any known problems if I use up almost all the ROM space? I remember that there was this "not enough free memory" bug in one of the B&B or Meschle's ROMs. That actually happened although his ROM was extra-small I think.
And talking about the max. size why not talk about all the sizes. I read that the minimum size is a little over 50 MB. In theory there should be 128 MB available, right?
UPDATE: This is what I found out, no need to read the entire thread. I flashed a lot and coud reach a maximum of 65.546 KB, 65802 was too much for it. This ROM included ONLY the OS, I was able to flash a 20 MB Ext. ROM, maybe even larger is possible but doesn't make any sense to me. The RadioROM and the other stuff uses space too, that's the reason why you can't use 128 MB for your ROMs.
Registerme said:
First of all Happy New Year to all of you!
I'm going to cook some roms in the next few days and was wondering what the max working ROM size is. I want to build a ROM with as much apps as possible. Are there any known problems if I use up almost all the ROM space? I remember that there was this "not enough free memory" bug in one of the B&B or Meschle's ROMs. That actually happened although his ROM was extra-small I think.
And talking about the max. size why not talk about all the sizes. I read that the minimum size is a little over 50 MB. In theory there should be 128 MB available, right?
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If I'm not mistaken WM5 and 6 use persistent strorage - hence ROM is used for storing apps and data, whereas RAM is used for running apps and 'volatile' data. This was different in WM2003se earlier, as RAM was used for both installing apps and running apps and data. ROM was only used for the OS, and for 'built-in-storage', which was like a RAM drive (or ROM drive !!!).
So if you filled up your ROM (extended ROM) with apps, you'd not be able to install anything as there would be no space left. Correct me if I'm wrong.
PS that's why carrier's extended ROMs are only a couple of megs
Thanx for that info, but that's what I'm planning to do. Create a ROM with all the apps that I need so I don't need to install anything later.
I was only wondering because most ROMs seem to be about 50 MB in size but there is only 50 MB free space left to use. Doesn't the Artemis have 128 MB ROM?
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Thanx for that info, but that's what I'm planning to do. Create a ROM with all the apps that I need so I don't need to install anything later.
I was only wondering because most ROMs seem to be about 50 MB in size but there is only 50 MB free space left to use. Doesn't the Artemis have 128 MB ROM?
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Yeah, the atermis has 64mb ram and 128mb rom. I don't know if other space is reserved for the radio rom and the bootlooder etc. I expect that's the case. Good luck with building your ROM, please let me know how you get on.. my email is greenleef (at) talk21 (dot) com if you get a chance.
I want to build an extended ROM too, put all of my cabs in there. I'm just worried about using up valuable application storage space. But then again I install most larger apps to my storage card. What tools do you use, and do you need to CID unlock it first? I'm running the stock WM6 rom from 02.
I use Hyper Core Kitchen, Cook-Your-LLT, OK Package Creator 5.4 and BuildDSM. I also use UPX4PPC to shrink the .exe and .dll files on my pda and then copy the shrinked files back to the packages. I'm still working on that. You only need to use CID unlock if you have a CID locked ROM on your device.
I've succesfully created my first ROMs, 65 MB seems to be the maximum for the OS file, I tried a 20 MB extended ROM that worked out kinda ok. I must have made some mistake because the files installed but nothing was there afterwards to use. I think I might unlock the ext rom and use it as storage space, it's easier that way.
Registerme said:
I tried a 20 MB extended ROM that worked out kinda ok.
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Interesting, but - what for? If you use ExtROM, you reserve space for installers, and even more valuable storage space would be occupied for installed executables and data files.
Perhaps you can achieve better results installing programs from (and maybe - to) microSD card. At least, easier to manage, than reflashing ExtROM.
Anothe side effect: when I install programs to SD Card, after flashing it is enough to copy several .lnk files - and those programs are ready to use, without running installers.
In my opinion, ExtROM is a place for patching OS or keeping very necessary programs, which you could not inject into OS for some reason. Nothing more.
That's what I use my ext rom for, I put my system tools and other programs in there that don't fit in the os-rom. Those are tools I always use and that I haven't deleted in years, so I thought it would be a good idea to have them on my device in case my sd card ever dies or I have to do a hard reset.
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That's what I use my ext rom for, I put my system tools and other programs in there that don't fit in the os-rom. Those are tools I always use and that I haven't deleted in years, so I thought it would be a good idea to have them on my device in case my sd card ever dies or I have to do a hard reset.
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I like the idea of having apps and cabs in extrom, If I can figure it all out I plan to do it. I still use Cabinstall from 2003se on my Dell axim, as I find CABS going missing after i install them. I use PIM backup for PIM, and SPB backup for cloning my working rom with manually installed apps. All big apps go on storage card, which usually don't need registry keys so they're happy run from there - even TOMTOM6.
As far as my MicroSD giving up on me, I use symantec ghost, take an image of my SD every couple of weeks, and leave the image on my laptop.
One thing I really would like to do - remove all the useless .exes and things from my image... If I can free up 10meg from my ROM, I could unlock the extROM and use it as a storage area like you mention.... I think ROM is a lot faster than SD....
hi on the standard ROM my deice has a total of 120MB program memory but with all of those roms the total memory drops down to 84.71MB in use 47.64 does any one know why
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hi on the standard ROM my deice has a total of 120MB program memory but with all of those roms the total memory drops down to 84.71MB in use 47.64 does any one know why
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A ****load of apps within manila
itje said:
A ****load of apps within manila
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yeah i get that but the total RAM should be 120MB it is only 84.71
perhaps learning more about what you are reporting could be an idea?
Im gonna pretend I did not see this post
im off..cheers
(no offence my friend)
itje said:
perhaps learning more about what you are reporting could be an idea?
Im gonna pretend I did not see this post
im off..cheers
(no offence my friend)
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well fair enough but maybe u can explain it cause if u got a computer with a total of 120 MB RAM it will always have 120MB ram just becuse apps are using the ram does not decrease the amount of ram your computer has just the amount of memory that is free.
My device has 120 MB of program RAM and with lots of apps runnign i should still have 120MB RAM but i would have a lot less free. As it stand my polaris thinks it only has 87.4 MB of ram of witch 37% is free. Instead 120MB with 37% free
Honestly, I don't understand this either. I haven't tested, but if you install Manila on a ROM that didn't have it cooked in, I doubt the total memory would drop down.
I could only think this is a side effect of the video drivers (meaning the hidden memory is dedicated to the drivers which I'd understand), the other is that it's a bug that hasn't been properly explained/been looked over for some reason.
I'm no expert at ROM cooking by any means, but it definitely looks weird to me.
ahwell...
you have theese 2 in your settings/memory: Storage & Program
compare the official rom, with cooked rom, both storage and programs
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forgot to mention, check out your settings/device information hardware tab.
and.... please report your findings here
dude i clicked start>settings>memory and it looks like this
Storage | Program
Total: 121.29 MB | Total: 84.71 MB
In use: 19.97 MB | In Use: 56.38 MB
Free 101.32 MB | Free: 28.33 MB
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dude i clicked start>settings>memory and it looks like this
Storage | Program
Total: 121.29 MB | Total: 84.71 MB
In use: 19.97 MB | In Use: 56.38 MB
Free 101.32 MB | Free: 28.33 MB
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Itje told you already: check settings/device information.
The memory information is different from Rom to Rom and from language to language. My stock HTC german WM 6.0 Rom is reporting under "program memory" 100,77 MB, but under "settings - system - device info - hardware" its 128 MB Ram.
The difference is caused by drivers, the pagepool and other things. The more pagepool a rom is having the less total memory you will see. That means the polaris is having 128 MB Ram. But if the Rom is having 28 MB pagepool you will see in memory - program memory only a total of 100 MB. If you want to know details about pagepool please use search. You will find either in upgrading or in development some more details about the pagepool.
I checked now the new HTC 6.1 german Rom, the pagepool is 6 MB according to OM-BYs pagepool changer. As I did not flash it until now I have no idea about the total program memory, but I'm sure its not more than 100 MB because drivers are also needing RAM.
gerald_s said:
Itje told you already: check settings/device information.
The memory information is different from Rom to Rom and from language to language. My stock HTC german WM 6.0 Rom is reporting under "program memory" 100,77 MB, but under "settings - system - device info - hardware" its 128 MB Ram.
The difference is caused by the pagepool and other things. The more pagepool a rom is having the less total memory you will see. That means the polaris is having 128 MB Ram. But if the Rom is having 28 MB pagepool you will see in memory - program memory only a total of 100 MB. If you want to know details about pagepool please use search. You will find either in upgrading or in development some more details about the pagepool.
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Well, I think most of us (more often the case) knows about the pagepool settings. Just did not understand why the 32MB pagepool is chosen (in standard rom and most cooked roms) which anyhow do not give much performance adge.
Because of 2 main reasons, I went to use Bepe 0.67 cooked rom
1. it's using 12MB pagepool, that means I get 101.46MB program memory, currently disabled BioTouch.exe and loaded in the Manila2D myself, get to obtain free memory of 62MB. Fresh restart I get about 69MB free memory. All programs seems to be running smoother. I can use the phone for many days without the need to restart, though it's a common thing for WinMobile .
2. in the latest official rom, and many other recent cooked roms, I could not run IGO8 (HDD version), which is the best GPS program I have for the country that I am in. And IGO8 needs a lot of memory to run -> reason for me to upgrade from Trinity.
And the worst news is, I tried so many pagepool editor (many versions etc), none seem to be working to bring up my program memory from 84.7MB
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Well, I think most of us (more often the case) knows about the pagepool settings. Just did not understand why the 32MB pagepool is chosen (in standard rom and most cooked roms) which anyhow do not give much performance adge.(
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You are right, most of us should know about pagepool. But apparently the thread starter didn't know it thats why I was explaining it once again.
BTW: I downloaded Syrius R1 from UDK, its using 6 MB pagepool, same as HTC stock rom. But maybe OM-BY's pagepool changer can not handle polaris roms and shows an incorrect pagepool size.
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Because of 2 main reasons, I went to use Bepe 0.67 cooked rom
1. it's using 12MB pagepool, that means I get 101.46MB program memory, currently disabled BioTouch.exe and loaded in the Manila2D myself, get to obtain free memory of 62MB. Fresh restart I get about 69MB free memory. All programs seems to be running smoother. I can use the phone for many days without the need to restart, though it's a common thing for WinMobile .
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62 MB free Ram with Manila is great, maybe I should try Bepes Rom
gerald_s said:
Itje told you already: check settings/device information.
The memory information is different from Rom to Rom and from language to language. My stock HTC german WM 6.0 Rom is reporting under "program memory" 100,77 MB, but under "settings - system - device info - hardware" its 128 MB Ram.
The difference is caused by drivers, the pagepool and other things. The more pagepool a rom is having the less total memory you will see. That means the polaris is having 128 MB Ram. But if the Rom is having 28 MB pagepool you will see in memory - program memory only a total of 100 MB. If you want to know details about pagepool please use search. You will find either in upgrading or in development some more details about the pagepool.
I checked now the new HTC 6.1 german Rom, the pagepool is 6 MB according to OM-BYs pagepool changer. As I did not flash it until now I have no idea about the total program memory, but I'm sure its not more than 100 MB because drivers are also needing RAM.
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thank you that is what i was after an explaination
[email protected] said:
thank you that is what i was after an explaination
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I think for Polaris, 6MB pagepool means you will have 107MB program memory.
My Bepe 0.67 rom has 12MB pagepool and I get 101MB program memory. I really don't know where other missing memory goes, taking 128MB-12-?? = 101MB.
So it seems the reader you used to chk pagepool produced wrong information. That was what happen when I tried to use pagepool editor to reduce pagepool size.
But the program work fine on Trinity cooked rom.
guys,
i use M-Amine 2.0 RTM
and with alot of apps running, i have 37MB memory left
but honestly, i dont feel any different wether its 69MB or 37MB
in fact, i dont pay much attention on free memory and i dont realize that my program memory dropped to 84MB
maybe i'm just too exited with flashing new ROMs
I saw my version of Igo8 wouldn't launch if there is less than 45Mo Program memory left. But it launches even with .Net CEFramework V3.5 if it has 48-50 Mo left.
I guess the new build of Igo8 takes less RAM so it could be launched without desactivating M2D in today screen.
I use M-Amine 2.0 RTM.
Maybe Tabs removing in M2D could help freeing some ram too.
I just installed, uninstalled HSPL and reflashed stock
On stock should my device be showing
Total storage 688.48 MB
Used 75.26
Free Storage 613.MB
I want to be sure, because I am not sure if I was suppose to be seeing 1GB knowing that this is the T-mobile version...
please help
The total storage size is/was always less than the flash size specified. It is normal to show 6xx Mb total storage. Same as the case with Euro HD2 which shows 2xxMb total storage although it have 512Mb flash size.
I think the balance for radio, SPL, Splash, etc.
ok thank you very much thought i did something wrong
I see hd2's flash memory size is 512mb. But I get only 169.72 mb of storage. How could that be possible? Even in device info it says that the flash memory size is 512mb!!!
The rest of your ROM storage have been ate by OS and progs
It is used as HDD in your home PC, for storing system files. Maybe you have to reflash other custom ROM which have less progs and without Manila, then you will free some storage IMHO.
It's not so bad in your case, mine shows in memory info tab 219MB total, 69,32MB used and 150MB free space, but in system info flash size is 512 MB as yours.
pvii said:
The rest of your ROM storage have been ate by OS and progs
It is used as HDD in your home PC, for storing system files. Maybe you have to reflash other custom ROM which have less progs and without Manila, then you will free some storage IMHO.
It's not so bad in your case, mine shows in memory info tab 219MB total, 69,32MB used and 150MB free space, but in system info flash size is 512 MB as yours.
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What version ROM and Radio do both of you have? The reason I ask is to fool your HD2 into thinking it has the 1024MB like the TMOUS you need a 3.14 ROM and a 2.15.5014 or a 2.14.50.xx radio. You also need SPL 3.03.0000 or HSPL 3.03.
I think you are confusing yourself with the ram trick, T-mag.
You can't fool a reg Leo into thinking it has 1024rom (and why would you? No benefit)
If you use the nk.exe taken from any tmous version, cook it into a reg rom (or use the whole tmous rom of course) plus any tmous radio on a reg Leo, it unlocks the extra 128meg ram to match the tmous at 576meg.
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I think you are confusing yourself with the ram trick, T-mag.
You can't fool a reg Leo into thinking it has 1024rom (and why would you? No benefit)
If you use the nk.exe taken from any tmous version, cook it into a reg rom (or use the whole tmous rom of course) plus any tmous radio on a reg Leo, it unlocks the extra 128meg ram to match the tmous at 576meg.
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Thanks again for the clarification Sam.
As I kick myself in the ass lol
T-Macgnolia said:
Thanks again for the clarification Sam.
As I kick myself in the ass lol
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Lol, Sam is right, it's a self-fooling thing bggg
I have EU version of HD2, 448MB RAM and 512 MB ROM, that's enough ROM for me cause all progs I do need can be installed on SD.