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Please choose carefully the developers you donate money to. I have a few I would gladly send money to, but the last one cried over spilled Nesquik and left this forum after receiving it, so the ones who have picked up where he left off, will now suffer for it. It's a damn shame too, he was becoming quite the legend, if you searched anywhere on google with the words g1, dream, and rom, his had the most hits, and videos. (Honestly, I think he just needs to get over himself, leaving for the reason he did, is just pathetic and childish) I'm not fishing for a rom update either, as there are much better roms now, just warning everyone, be sure who you are supporting, will use it in a way that benefits the community. Yes, I know I'm being a whiny jerk, but I also expect that a "hello" now and then is warranted in the forums if you are accepting money from people who don't even know you! My mistake in trusting in what I thought was a fine developer.
You decided to 'donate' out of your own free will. By donating you do not expect anything in return. He doesn't owe you anything just because you donated. Its his free time he's been putting into making those roms and I can't believe you have the nerve to expect him to always be there when you need it just because you donated.
If anything he's a 17 year old teenager. Who had lot of problems with his family and had to deal with school, work and hoardes of idiots who were demanding he update his roms.
It probably started out as fun for him but became a chore, I don't blame him for leaving, especially since the actual REASON he left was because someone he trusted betrayed him and leaked a rom that COULD have gotten someone else fired.
I suggest you keep your donations, the roms and apps are free anyway, no one is forcing you to pay them. If you want to make demands because you donated, you're missing out the whole point of it.
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Yes, I know I'm being a whiny jerk
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Good
but I also expect
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Well there's your problem. You expected something in return. That's called a payment not a donation.
My mistake in trusting in what I thought was a fine developer.
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Get over yourself.
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A simple poke your head in the door and say "hi" is too much to ask?...yeah..ur right..I should keep it. As I said, I'm not fishing for roms, or asking for tech help, it's like giving a donation to the red cross, and then finding out they closed shop the next day. Them's the breaks I guess!!
P.S. I'm trying to get over myself, but I'm a 350+ lb. fatass, and that's proving to be a difficult task!!!
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Please choose carefully the developers you donate money to. I have a few I would gladly send money to, but the last one cried over spilled Nesquik and left this forum after receiving it, so the ones who have picked up where he left off, will now suffer for it. It's a damn shame too, he was becoming quite the legend, if you searched anywhere on google with the words g1, dream, and rom, his had the most hits, and videos. (Honestly, I think he just needs to get over himself, leaving for the reason he did, is just pathetic and childish) I'm not fishing for a rom update either, as there are much better roms now, just warning everyone, be sure who you are supporting, will use it in a way that benefits the community. Yes, I know I'm being a whiny jerk, but I also expect that a "hello" now and then is warranted in the forums if you are accepting money from people who don't even know you! My mistake in trusting in what I thought was a fine developer.
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This sounds like you are also crying over spilt milk. Get over him.
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This sounds like you are also crying over spilt milk. Get over him.
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Oh crap..ur right...(takes long look in mirror, then smashes it)...I'm only 15, whatdya expect?
I can see the "yeah right, 350 lb, 15 yr old comments warming up..plz close this thread, maybe delete it, sorry I posted, delete my account.
Dear Eris Users who Are Waiting for Root,
I'd like to start by addressing all of you as a large audience. I may ask certain groups to leave. I hope they will respect that wish and then come back and join the larger group when I am done with each piece.
We all got the Droid Eris from Verizon. We all got it for different reasons. A lot of you, if not all of you, are here because you wanted an HTC phone that was rooted. You wanted the custom roms, the themes, the su privileges. This shining aura that was "root" was so appealing, that you took a plunge and bought the device before any work was really done on that. Now, some of you feel that you should receive, neigh, deserve root. I am so saddened by what this community, Eris users, not XDA, has turned into. The disbelievers, the demanders; what are you still doing here, complaining? Just leave if you have something mean to say.
To everyone: I'm a firm believer in the idea that if you don't have something important, information wise/helpful, to say on the forum, then don't post at all. I try to keep my fingers off the keyboard, and I have for a long time, but I cannot hold my silence. I used to post every day. I used to be excited to get onto XDA and see if something new had happened while I was away. When we got our own section of the forum, I was overjoyed! (Not really, but we needed a section) We had a pristine new subforum to play around in, and we trashed it. Our original root thread had to be closed because of how off topic and ridiculous it was. Our new thread has gone to crap and turned more into a flame war, than a place where we are looking for exploits and posting findings. Sadly, I wouldn't blame XDA for shutting that one down too. We, as a whole, have alienated developers and are now in danger of not getting root for a number of reasons.
No one deserves root, just like no one deserves $20 from a random stranger. Sure, it'd be nice to get it, but no one deserves it. We should all be thankful for the man hours that people have put in, for no money, to try and give us $20 a piece... I mean root this thing. Seriously, it's a community, not a business. Also, those who feel like it's not worth it to wait around, just leave. Don't make an exit if you're sitting around and not helping but you feel the need to announce that you are fed up, or tired of it. Root will come eventually. There has yet to be an android phone that hasn't been hacked, and we will not be the first one.
Lastly, I'm tired of the "HTC NEEDS to release the source code because it's our right to have it" argument. Sure, the source would help, but the iPhone has been hacked again and again and again with no source code. It comes down to good developers, and a thankful community. So, please stop riding that bandwagon. The source code will get here eventually, but you have to be patient.
To those of you who have been helpful: Thank you. To anyone who tried an exploit and posted findings, thank you. To anyone who compiled an exploit, who dumped their phone, who offered help, incite, or even a "keep it up", thank you. That's what a good hacking community does.
To Jmanly, Binny, Zifnab, rigamrts and others: Thank you for everything you've done to help us out. You are all a tribute to being a good forum member. We would not even be a fraction of where we are without Jmanly's guidance and it was sad to see him leave.
Where to go from here: I think we need to restart. Create a new thread where no negative talk will occur, people will only post things that help move us forward and people post their thanks to those who are doing all of us a favor. None of us deserve root. It's not owed to us because we got the phone. We should all be thankful for what some people with the know-how are doing for us. That should be all I have to say. I hope we can change a little bit for the better and maybe we can get back to trying to root.
-Video
Well said!
This is well put.
I can never quite understand the flaming or negative stuff.
I learned when I started out in WinMo Xperia Threads that people hassling or acting "Entitled" while you are working hard on a Mod or Rom or anything can be quite disheartening.
If it can be agreed upon, I would like to open a new thread, for root status and updates. (hopefully for the last time)
Or I can just add it to the bounty thread that is already open (I know and understand that most of us do this for the love of hacking and modding and out of a sense of community, but it is also a nice gesture and could really help someone that devotes time and effort to this)???
I would monitor it constantly and report any flaming and abuse to one of our great moderators immediatley.
What do you think?
here's how i felt when i first got my eris.
i was like great now i can see what's up and possibly help get root for the new addopters cause i did not get my g1 durring the first run. i missed out on the fun times of all the posts of people trying to hack the phone.
so when i first landed in the eris waters it was great the late night whiteboard sessions were fun throwing any idea no matter how idiotic it sounded and going to town. then we had our first 2 casualties jman and me cause some one took it apon himself to attack a guy who didn't even have our phone and was willing to help.
then we had today where that same person took it on himself to flame another dev the same way. now the 7 day ban might calm him down or send the message not to come back. but i thought it sould have been a perma-ban cause of past actions plus the disrespecting of a mod which is a no no. that mod i respect cause he acted profesionally and gave the community hope that this type of behavior will not be tollorated.
hopefully if things keep going in a positive direction i might jump back into fold but feel very heartbroken cause of the few bad apples.
Awesome post
as acid said, very well put.
i too never understood why not just in the "eris" section but yet in any section people have demanded such items to be released.
I agree with rigamrts, I have watched this board with aw in some of the things people have said to one another. If I had root to this phone I would P.M. the members I wanted to have it just to keep out the ones that act childish. But then wouldn't I be just as childish? So I would just stop, Do my own thing, and wait as a few of the people here have done. People with no interest in this device have nothing to lose by leaving besides maybe hearing their friend saying "come on man, come back. We won't let that happen again." Its a shame this happened in our community but as with the physical community I live in there are jerks. People that you wish would leave on their own accord but stick around with T.P. stuck to their shoes looking like idiots. Anyways, thanks for the help, keep working, and feel free to leave if things get retarded again. I would do the same.
I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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i could create a bolg on one of my unused email account
I think that moving the thread to the new one should work..
We have a couple of moderators all over this now..
And I can update everyday
I need you guys to update me on what to put im the 1st post so that we can get back on track
I think the blog is a great idea but the thing is we also need to keep the discussion here at XDA, the place that originally got us together. If we don't keep the support here we won't have a well known place to meet new Eris users that could potentially help. We can't do that because of one bad apple, this Is our meeting place and we need to show XDA the respect by continuing to trust their mods to do their jobs. Ya that guy should have been permanently banned but he wasn't so let's not punish XDA for that decision. My two pennies.
I agree that we need to hang out at XDA, but I also feel that we could move to somewhere where we can bounce around ideas without people hijacking threads or starting flame wars. I'm not trying to keep people in the dark, I just want to try a different place. Oh, and I'd like some people who know what they're doing to sign on. I'm just a visionary, I can't code. Haha
Ok guys here is the deal after what happend today I am a little upset I spend hours each day searching the web for exploits, why... to help. Here is what I may do, I might buy some webspace and set up a area for us to work together on. I am going to see if Jman will will join us, this is just a idea for right now. I will let you guys know when I clear my head.
Aren't there free blogs? Let's not throw money at this quite yet.
Oh, and I'm sorry you got upset with some people and also that I haven't been here in, well, a month or more. I thought the community was going stagnate. I'm here to stay and, like you, I'll be scrounging for exploits and doing my best to help those with the know-how by doing the leg work if they do the real work.
Free yes but I would like some were were we can upload files to and what not. Just a idea for right now.
Clear ur head man...take care
When ya come back.head over to the new no flaming thread
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Aren't there free blogs? Let's not throw money at this quite yet.
Oh, and I'm sorry you got upset with some people and also that I haven't been here in, well, a month or more. I thought the community was going stagnate. I'm here to stay and, like you, I'll be scrounging for exploits and doing my best to help those with the know-how by doing the leg work if they do the real work.
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rigamrts.blogspot.com
just set up one for us.
Videofolife13 said:
I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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Well I have the pro programs for Mac and Windows to make killer video tuts, so once we have this thing rooted, I can get that out of the way.
Oh and I can host web space for you too on my server, I just don't have any domains to run the site on. You could use your ways to get a domain. (Try shorturl.com that's what I use for most of my websites.)
Questions to [email protected].
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Well I have the pro programs for Mac and Windows to make killer video tuts, so once we have this thing rooted, I can get that out of the way.
Oh and I can host web space for you too on my server, I just don't have any domains to run the site on. You could use your ways to get a domain. (Try shorturl.com that's what I use for most of my websites.)
Questions to [email protected].
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Good Stuff Cookie...
Come over to the new thread an help us out
Its in my sig...
No one deserves root, just like no one deserves $20 from a random stranger. Sure, it'd be nice to get it, but no one deserves it. We should all be thankful for the man hours that people have put in, for no money, to try and give us $20 a piece... I mean root this thing. Seriously, it's a community, not a business.
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Video I can agree where you are comming from, it does suck the fun out of the puzzle of rooting the device with all the flaming and demanding. But on the other side where I am, I am not a programmer or a linux genius. So we almost feel like leechers taking your work with out compensation for it. So the Pool for the dev that roots the Eris is our attempt to do our part in the give take relationship we have in this community.
Sure I could spend hours and hours and hope to get where you guys are or I can offer my monitary thanks for all your work.
I am not trying to point this thread in the wrong direction and I don't want to see a bunch of "I agree" replies. Just want to convey our side, the noobs and amatures that can't do the things that you do.
I am waiting patiently and if there is anything we the non-dev's can do let us know.
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I have my own web server that we can use. Let me know if you want to set something up.
would a google wave account work i have invites?
First I'm not a mediator mod or any of that, but people we are acting like children.
1. Why are u here?
The devs on this forum are taking personal time! We as community members are not ENTITLED to ROMS. They do this for the love of the platform, so respect that.
2. This is not the Sprint forum.
Again, this forum does not imply or state that EVERYTHING is going to work with whatever ROM u choose. So really, why ***** or hate? Really?
3. What can u add?
Nobody expects anyone to be the cdma hero "hero". Everyone should know they lane and stay in it. Report bugs or dev, its that simple
I don't have the highest post count and I may be out of line but I have been studying/learning here since it was questionable if there would be a sprint hero forum. Let's not **** it up by driving away the same folks that got us here. I know that from past comments this will probably get locked, but if we don't as a whole respect more what's going on we have a chance of loosing it.
Respect to all the devs on here and the work they do, for US!
+1,000,000 Agreed,it's sad when people can't even thank someone without it turning into as bunch of un-needed bull$#17.Just be positive people,some good things are happening,don't let these people ruin things.
I don't post much here anymore, because of some personal reasons with regards to this forum. I still lurk a lot, however, and I just don't see where all the straight-up hate and animosity these posts such as yours are mentioning. I tend to avoid the 80-page threads because they are mostly filled with junk, is it in there?
Perhaps I should check them out.
The hate and animosity and watering down of this subforum with too many useless posts is why I haven't released anything since December. I'm working on a new rom for myself, and I'm thinking less and less like I might want to actually release it here. Last thing I feel like dealing with are a bunch of whiny people who aren't happy with me or my work unless it makes their phone do what THEY want. Where's the reward for devs? Don't anyone even bother mentioning donations.
Support that!
dude props for this! good going. And I agree with you 1000%
its no crime to show thanks and respect to some one for their hard work. if deving was easy we would all be doing it.
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I don't post much here anymore, because of some personal reasons with regards to this forum. I still lurk a lot, however, and I just don't see where all the straight-up hate and animosity these posts such as yours are mentioning. I tend to avoid the 80-page threads because they are mostly filled with junk, is it in there?
Perhaps I should check them out.
The hate and animosity and watering down of this subforum with too many useless posts is why I haven't released anything since December. I'm working on a new rom for myself, and I'm thinking less and less like I might want to actually release it here. Last thing I feel like dealing with are a bunch of whiny people who aren't happy with me or my work unless it makes their phone do what THEY want. Where's the reward for devs? Don't anyone even bother mentioning donations.
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This is exactly why we should respect the devs... pretty soon all of them will be gone.
You beat me to it ... but I don't really care.
I think we just got too amped up with all the 2.1 excitement and started trying to outdo oneanother instead of working together. Once the official 2.1 comes out, I think we will see a lot more collaboration to make it as good as possible. In the mean time, always five credit where it is due, and don't worry about who did what first, because it only benefits everybody. That's why our great devs are here: to help create a better device, not to profit or hoard secrets. This is the first real open source project I have been a part of, and I get excited just thinking about what the future has in store for us. Let's make it a great one!
Can we just please stop with these types of threads.
The way I look at it is like a car.
You buy the car, and you COULD just leave it at that. Some people like to mod their car and optimize it for maximum performance. Many people do not know how to do this, so they need to take it some someone who does know how, and the mechanic for damn sure isnt going to do that *** for free. I think of our devs a mechanics, optimizing my phone for me because I have no idea how to develop to my phone. The difference here is that they are doing this **** for free. So what if they ask for a donation, bums on the street ask for "donations" for doing ***. We were going to get 2.1 for free one way or another at some point since we already had the car (Hero for you thick headed people), whether it be a whole 2 days after flipz released it to contributors, or when sprint/htc officially releases it at the rumored end of this month.
And be happy this isnt a car, because if it was not only would you HAVE to pay for the official update, but you would have to pay for the installation and optimization.
Taking a *** chill pill all those people who are too stingy to even donate 1 buck.
Don't make me say the f word and post an off color picture so this thread gets shut down
just playing mods. don't hurt me.
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the way i look at it is like a car.
You buy the car, and you could just leave it at that. Some people like to mod their car and optimize it for maximum performance. Many people do not know how to do this, so they need to take it some someone who does know how, and the mechanic for damn sure isnt going to do that **** for free. I think of our devs a mechanics, optimizing my phone for me because i have no idea how to develop to my phone. The difference here is that they are doing this **** for free. So what if they ask for a donation, bums on the street ask for "donations" for doing ****. We were going to get 2.1 for free one way or another at some point since we already had the car (hero for you thick headed people), whether it be a whole 2 days after flipz released it to contributors, or when sprint/htc officially releases it at the rumored end of this month.
And be happy this isnt a car, because if it was not only would you have to pay for the official update, but you would have to pay for the installation and optimization.
Taking a ****ing chill pill all those people who are too stingy to even donate 1 buck.
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Can we just please stop with these types of threads.
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No kidding... I am pretty sick of hearing people explain to me why I should be grateful to the rom developers. Like saying "The devs on this forum are taking personal time!" is some enlightening way to look at it. Everyone knows that already. And it gets really old seeing people make threads like this in an effort to get brownie points around here. There are so many threads EXACTLY like this. You are pushing posts that actually have a use out of view for a lot of people.
Oh wait, I have a difference of opinion. Lets start another thread and label it disrespect to the development gods...
Thank you. And I mean that. Because of XDA and it's amazing devs, I have gotten more out of this phone than I ever imagined. I have never had a phone that could do so much and people here were always willing to help me with a problem. And that is wonderful. I am glad that I joined this forum. In fact, I look forward to checking it every day. lol I don't know a lot about Linux, Java, or coding, but I do however know a lot about photography. I am a professional. So, if anyone needs help that way, I am completely for helping...I mean, all of you have helped me...I'd like to return the favor.
-Ken
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No kidding... I am pretty sick of hearing people explain to me why I should be grateful to the rom developers. Like saying "The devs on this forum are taking personal time!" is some enlightening way to look at it. Everyone knows that already. And it gets really old seeing people make threads like this in an effort to get brownie points around here. There are so many threads EXACTLY like this. You are pushing posts that actually have a use out of view for a lot of people.
Oh wait, I have a difference of opinion. Lets start another thread and label it disrespect to the development gods...
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Actually that wasn't my point at all. My point is threads like this do nothing but divert attention to them, it perpetuates the negativity. New users come in these threads and see this and "ask what I missed" then it gets started over and over again.
As soon as these threads die (yes I realize I bump when I reply) the drama will also follow. Donate, dont donate, dev, dont dev ( not really) but just treat each other like some one you would walk by on the street or have a conversation with while standing in a line.
Asking for your cake and eating it 2.
I dont post alot here as well due to personal issues here on the form (so many smarty pants people on here)
But if i see a rom that i like (or app) i give the dev his props and thank him for putting in hard work when he or she could of been doing something else not trying please us and make our phones better then the stock ones.
Not saying the next person have to do the same. But if i wasted 5hrs of my time. and your running around showing off with my work i would like some props.
This dont even have nothng to do with roms or dev so im sure its going to get closed down soon. You people are just wasting your time making these threads people going to do what they going to do.
It's true that these type of threads may seem senseless and get hijacked to negativity... but in the past, my experience is that when moderators and dev's get fed up enough the forum/site would become closed and open to invitation only type membership, i.e., PRIVATE ACCESS!
That scenario is both good and bad... "Good" if you're in the loop, but potentially "Bad" because you just might end up on the outside looking in with your nose pressed against the window! So PROPS it is...
I have come to XDA for a long time, joined only so I could post, and only recently began to do so. But, that said, it has been indispensable for the provision of knowledge and fixes for handsets that the manufacturers and or carriers are unable to do themselves... so again - PROPS it is... no reason to drag it down.
+++++1,000 thanks to the awesome work being done!
There are those who truly can never be pleased, yet, I think that ration is extremely small. So again, for something I would gladly pay for, but am not required to do, I offer the easiest thing, a gesture of THANKS!
Due to recent developments, I've updated the information in the OP;
The actual exploid.c exploit was created for the Droid 2 by Sebastian Krahmer at http://c-skills.blogspot.com/. You can donate to him via Paypal to [email protected]
The phenomenal Dan Wager got it nand unlocked on 2.2 and reflashed to 2.1 and got everything working right for the Evo. You may know him as the phenomenal regaw_leinad - he put the guide together, and he's been updating it and helping people root like a madman ever since (does this guy ever sleep?). You can donate to him here. Note: he did all of this, and he doesn't even have an EVO! Wouldn't it be great if he got enough donations to get one of his very own?
Unrevoked worked on some of the early work involved, and it's their method that is used in the root process. They don't accept donations, and instead ask that people make a donation to the EFF, the organization that was behind the recent ruling so that it is now 100% legal to root your phone. You can make a donation to them here.
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Don't let anyone tell you who to donate to. Choose yourself, you'll feel better.
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To all of those that hopped on the bounty for root 2.2 bandwagon - I'm calling you out!
To the best of my knowledge, the dev who uncovered the exploit (Sebastian Krahmer) isn't a memeber here, and the unrevoked team (who worked the exploit into full root) doesn't accept donations, and suggests you doanate to the EFF instead.
You can find out about the EFF and the important work they do for all of us here;
http://www.eff.org/about
And their donation link is here;
https://secure.eff.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=DON_splash
So I'm sure each and every person who said they would donate to whoever found root already put their donation through to the EFF, or will in the near future, right?
Right?
I really and truly and sincerely think we should come together and hook Regaw up with an EVO.
I know the root effort was spread between several individuals but I've known Dan for a while now and he not only Rooted the 2.1 OTA for the Hero he also put a lot of time and effort into making 2.2 OTA EVO root a reality.
AND he/we (I was his sidekick ) made one of the best roms for the Hero, RegawMODv2.1
RegawMODv2.1 is like 6 months old now and STILL spends most of its time on page one in the Hero dev section. It's a bare bones, stripped down, tastefully themed Sense rom. I think the EVO community would benefit greatly from Regaw joining us here.
He's a great dude and even though I'm already rooted I will be tossing a few his way to help him join the gang
(sorry fachadick, don't mean to hijack. I agree with your point and just wanted to suggest where I think some of the "Root the 2.2OTA" pledges should go)
Done, and done. While I respect the EFF and appreciate their efforts, I chose to contribute to the Regaw EVO Fund. I know there were others involved but he was the one that actually delivered the guide, so he gets the loot.
This is the first 'bounty' thread I've ever even opened, but had I been a part of it I'd be giving to Regaw.
And this is why I don't like pledge threads because most of the time 90% of the people who pledge are nowhere to be found once the objectives have been reached. People will make excuses like "that's not what I wanted", "its too complicated", or "I can't get it to work". The only time I ever made a pledge was when we were trying to get darch an evo and followed through. even though darch never got an evo, his donations were long overdue and deserved it. Even though I wasn't stupid enough to run the ota for the evo, I'm going donate to regaw because the guy deserves it. Hopefully all the people who jumped on the bandwagon and made a pledge will follow through.
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This is the first 'bounty' thread I've ever even opened, but had I been a part of it I'd be giving to Regaw.
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It's not too late, you are still more than welcome to help him out
CLICK HERE TO HELP Regaw GET AN EVO
Smaulz said:
Done, and done. While I respect the EFF and appreciate their efforts, I chose to contribute to the Regaw EVO Fund. I know there were others involved but he was the one that actually delivered the guide, so he gets the loot.
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Thank you for proving why all of those bounty threads were BS, and don't belong on XDA.
I have absolutly nothing against Regaw, I've used his guides before, seen how helpful he is in answering any question that comes his way, and think without a doubt he deserves an EVO of his own - I would love to see what he could do with it. I think the community coming together to get him one is a great idea.
But in the lead-up to root, all of these folks were saying that they would pay who found root. In this case, that would be unrevoked, and they say on thier site to send all donations to the EFF. If someone comes out with a simpler guide, also using the unrevoked method, do they get a donation also?
If I've minimized Regaw's involvement in finding root, as opposed to just putting up the first guide for it, I humbly apologize. And again, I love and appreciate how dedicated Regaw is to XDA, and think that there should be a donation fund for him to get an evo (nice one, Neb!). But this is all about the "bounty" for those who developed root, why not donate to both?
blu3g said:
And this is why I don't like pledge threads because most of the time 90% of the people who pledge are nowhere to be found once the objectives have been reached. People will make excuses like "that's not what I wanted", "its too complicated", or "I can't get it to work".
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Hopefully all the people who jumped on the bandwagon and made a pledge will follow through.
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this.
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The old saying "put your money where your mouth is" comes to mind. IIRC, Regaw and the other devs should easily be getting enough donations to buy an Evo for each of them.
blu3g said:
The only time I ever made a pledge was when we were trying to get darch an evo and followed through. even though darch never got an evo, his donations were long overdue and deserved it.
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I was just going to post something about how buying a person a phone creates unreasonable expectations on both sides. Kind of funny how the example I was going to use ended up being a failure anyways.
SilverZero said:
The old saying "put your money where your mouth is" comes to mind. IIRC, Regaw and the other devs should easily be getting enough donations to buy an Evo for each of them.
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I've known Regaw since last year, we've worked on a lot of stuff together and I can tell you in the last 6 months the guy hasn't received anywhere near enough donations to buy an evo, even if he were up for an upgrade
Definitely not bragging or anything, I remember when I wouldn't have had an extra dollar to donate to anyone (I wouldn't have had an EVO in that case anyways) but I've donated a little over $100 to various devs over the last 8 months or so, and I have zero stolen apps on my phone.. My point is I believe in donating to people who volunteer their time to make my Android experience better.
I would image many more than 100 people will refer to Regaw's guide to root their EVO's. If those 100 folks each donated ONLY $5 we'd have another FANTASTIC dev here with us!
fachadick, I'm sure Dan would take no offense to your comments about him posting the guide but let me offer this: Unrevoked found the root but Dan worked with Matt to help find it and get it ready for the masses.
Also, Dan himself found the exploit for 2.1 on the Hero (I know, not relevant to us, just another example of his talent and dedication.)
IMO, If someone releases a simple-root app or a simplified guide then sure, they deserve whatever people are willing to donate to them too.
I'm not suggesting anyone NOT donate to the EFF, great idea too. Personally, I'd just like to see Regaw get the hook up first..
Minjin said:
I was just going to post something about how buying a person a phone creates unreasonable expectations on both sides. Kind of funny how the example I was going to use ended up being a failure anyways.
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I do agree with you. I approached darch before I made that thread for him. We didn't talk much after that and I always wondered if he soured on the idea because he didn't want to feel obligated because of it.
Don't really know what else to say other than Dan is chomping at the bit to start devving for the EVO, I think he'll end up exceeding peoples expectations just because that's how he is.
Also, the link in my sig goes directly to Dan's donation account, so I wont be keeping a roster or list of donations or anything, just hopefully compelling people to help him out.
fachadick said:
Thank you for proving why all of those bounty threads were BS, and don't belong on XDA.
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Not sure why you're offended by my decision to follow through with my promised donation. I gave the money to the individual who directly helped me, rather than an organization with whom I've never had personal contact.
If it was a case of merely providing "an simpler guide," I guess you'd have a point, however thin it may be. But didn't regaw have a hand in actually developing the root method? Please correct me if I'm wrong, (it certainly wouldn't be the first time). That being the case, I feel more than justified in donating as a show of appreciation.
My funds are limited, so sorry, I can't be throwing cash at everyone involved. I had to choose (as I stated before) the one who delivered on the goods. Don't worry though, it won't happen again.
Smaulz said:
Not sure why you're offended by my decision to follow through with my promised donation. I gave the money to the individual who directly helped me, rather than an organization with whom I've never had personal contact.
If it was a case of merely providing "an simpler guide," I guess you'd have a point, however thin it may be. But didn't regaw have a hand in actually developing the root method? Please correct me if I'm wrong, (it certainly wouldn't be the first time). That being the case, I feel more than justified in donating as a show of appreciation.
My funds are limited, so sorry, I can't be throwing cash at everyone involved. I had to choose (as I stated before) the one who delivered on the goods. Don't worry though, it won't happen again.
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Sorry, I wasn't offended by your specific post, it just happened to be the first one, so I jumped on it. I applaud your donation to Regaw, and again, beleive that Regaw deserves every dollar he gets, and hope that he'll be able to help out on the EVO side of things like he did for the Hero (i'm going to try and throw him a few bucks later myself)
The point I was trying to make was that the bounties weren't "for the individual that helped me directly", they were for who cracked root. In this case it the exploit was found by someone not invloved with XDA, and the root method was developed by unrevoked as a team. Unrevoked, as a team, discourages personal donations (as per their website) and asks people to donate to EFF instead.
If someone helps you directly, by all means, shoot them a donation. They deserve it. All I'm saying is that the bounty threads have to go - if a bounty says that the donations will be going to X, and people commit, they should be donating to X (or who X says should get the donation).
Hope you didn't take any of that personally...
nebenezer said:
I've known Regaw since last year, we've worked on a lot of stuff together and I can tell you in the last 6 months the guy hasn't received anywhere near enough donations to buy an evo, even if he were up for an upgrade
Definitely not bragging or anything, I remember when I wouldn't have had an extra dollar to donate to anyone (I wouldn't have had an EVO in that case anyways) but I've donated a little over $100 to various devs over the last 8 months or so, and I have zero stolen apps on my phone.. My point is I believe in donating to people who volunteer their time to make my Android experience better.
I would image many more than 100 people will refer to Regaw's guide to root their EVO's. If those 100 folks each donated ONLY $5 we'd have another FANTASTIC dev here with us!
fachadick, I'm sure Dan would take no offense to your comments about him posting the guide but let me offer this: Unrevoked found the root but Dan worked with Matt to help find it and get it ready for the masses.
Also, Dan himself found the exploit for 2.1 on the Hero (I know, not relevant to us, just another example of his talent and dedication.)
IMO, If someone releases a simple-root app or a simplified guide then sure, they deserve whatever people are willing to donate to them too.
I'm not suggesting anyone NOT donate to the EFF, great idea too. Personally, I'd just like to see Regaw get the hook up first..
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I agree with everything you said here 100% (although I've got a soft spot for the EFF - it's my experience that most people don't even know who they are or what they do).
I think donate links are a great way for the community to give back a little to those who they feel deserve it, and Regaw is at the top of that list (along with with the guy who simplifies the root process, the creator of that great theme you're rocking, the dev who'se killer kernel gives you 4 days battery, or whose rom makes using an android device that much more enjoyable for you). I just have problems with all of the bounty threads that seemed to have cropped up in the last few weeks.
edit - just reread your post, not sure if you were implying that I pulled out donating to EFF out of the blue - it wasn't my idea, they're the ones that the Unrevoked team says should get donations instead of them.
fachadick said:
Thank you for proving why all of those bounty threads were BS, and don't belong on XDA.
I have absolutly nothing against Regaw, I've used his guides before, seen how helpful he is in answering any question that comes his way, and think without a doubt he deserves an EVO of his own - I would love to see what he could do with it. I think the community coming together to get him one is a great idea.
But in the lead-up to root, all of these folks were saying that they would pay who found root. In this case, that would be unrevoked, and they say on thier site to send all donations to the EFF. If someone comes out with a simpler guide, also using the unrevoked method, do they get a donation also?
If I've minimized Regaw's involvement in finding root, as opposed to just putting up the first guide for it, I humbly apologize. And again, I love and appreciate how dedicated Regaw is to XDA, and think that there should be a donation fund for him to get an evo (nice one, Neb!). But this is all about the "bounty" for those who developed root, why not donate to both?
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really to me it seems like unrevoked has little to do with it. the dude who found the exploit that lets you revert back to 2.1 deserves all the credit for this. all the various unrevoked versions used were already being used to their capabilities that were already know
also just because they who found it isnt a member here why should he get the money?
nicholaaaas said:
really to me it seems like unrevoked has little to do with it. the dude who found the exploit that lets you revert back to 2.1 deserves all the credit for this. all the various unrevoked versions used were already being used to their capabilities that were already know
also just because they who found it isnt a member here why should he get the money?
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This is also true, but since we're unable to donate to the person who directly found the exploit, the next step down would be the team was able to use this exploit and be the first one out to develop a root method with it. As I understand it, without this new exploit, unrevoked wouldn't have been able to add the new radios for the Evo to unrevoked, and unrevoked versions prior to 1.1 wouldn't have worked.
Which came first... The egg or the chicken? Once you all find an answer to that question, then you all will know who to send the damn "bounty" to.
HondaCop said:
Which came first... The egg or the chicken? Once you all find an answer to that question, then you all will know who to send the damn "bounty" to.
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right - but folks aren't donating to either the egg (Sebastian Krahmer) or the chicken (EFF, by way of unrevoked).
Yeah - I'm probably over reacting again, but dammit, those bounty threads pissed me off.
fachadick said:
but dammit, those bounty threads pissed me off.
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I know bro. I've been opposed to them since they first started popping up around here. I'm ALL for donations and paying for hire.. I just can't stand this "bounty" crap.
I hope that this gets some attention and maybe changes some minds. I think we've been having more fighting than sharing in this forum lately when it comes to development and to be honest with you it's making me sick. The audacity of some to claim that since they found something that works that it somehow negates the fact that it's open source is not only ridiculous but harmful to the community. Everyone in here owes everything that they know to someone else. That's a fact. Period. Why you feel you have the right now to be compensated for your ability to read is beyond me. I've been here since my touch pro. I've never asked for a dollar from anyone. I help people as often as I can both, on here and outside of xda and never EVER ask for anything in return other than knowledge. Lately even asking for knowledge prompts a request for a "donation". This may come as a shock to you people but that is NOT a donation!!! That's a paid service!!! Do you give drach a percentage of that since NONE of you would be anything without him? Of course not.
So what's my point? I'm suggesting that we start punishing those who beg for donations by removing the PRIVILEGE (yes it is a privilege) of allowing them to post donation links. Secondly, anyone who does nothing but complain should be removed from xda. I know these are extreme requests but this is an extreme problem. 9 times out of 10 a thread either starts or ends because of these issues. It's getting ridiculous. Please take these suggestions in to consideration. This is damaging the community in a huge way and personally I'm sick of it. I don't want this to be an argument thread. We all know what specific instances I'm talking about so there's no need to bring up the problems. I'm only interested in finding a solution. Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.
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THANK YOU! If I only I was educated enough in writing like that, that is exactly my thoughts! THANK YOU!
As for the donations, like in my signature, after I post this about 5 seconds from now it'll be gone. All I want is to be educated. In fact for those of you who know I breakdance (*cough* *cough* my avatar pictuer *cough*) my breakdance name is even BBOY KNOWLEDGE! Ask anyone who knows me in the dance world they'll tell you I want nothing but to be educated in knowledgable in all areas of the world that interest me, use that knowledge to help, and educate others as much as I can. That is all I stand for. THE ABOVE POST IS PURE AWESOME-NESS DUDE
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I agree that there is a difference between a donation and and a paid service...please report any posts or instances when that line gets blurry or if someone is all out selling their work here...we will take care of it.
With so many new devices it brings so many new people to XDA and our job (yours and mine) is to educate them about what XDA is all about. I have moved this thread to general and read your comments. Please report such posts so we can take care of problems.
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i think donations should be diabled all together but thats just me lol
just noticed i hit 500 posts.... wohoo lol
Bierce22 said:
i think donations should be diabled all together but thats just me lol
just noticed i hit 500 posts.... wohoo lol
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I disagree, the devs like $, it's motivating, and I'm sure it feels better than a thanks. Now, me personally, I got over 2000 posts and 200 thanks BEFORE putting a donate above my name. I have never and will never ASK for a donation, since I don't "dev". BUT obviously I help lots of people, so if someone felt inclined to push the button, I won't argue. It is entirely likely that I would simply donate it back to xda, since I beleive they deserve the $ more than me, and few dollars will not affect my life. Some users may find it more comforting knowing they are donating directly to a person who has provided them either a developed item (ROM,theme,etc) or help - publicly or via PM. It is for that reason I intend to keep my donate button. It takes more care to donate than it does to say thanks. I have given many thanks, but I have also donated north of $150 to devs and xda. I think that if used properly and NOT abused, donations are a vital and necessary part of this community.
il Duce said:
I disagree... have never and will never ASK for a donation....donations are a vital and necessary part of this community.
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I agree. There is a HUGE difference between being given a donation out the appreciating and kindness of a person's heart for the developer's/theme-er's/person who helped them's work (is them's even corrrect lol ) and asking for a donation/begging to be paid for their service. But in truth even when I have recieved a donation in the past I take that as "oh they like what I did I guess I should keep it up, NO!!! YOU MUST DO BETTER KIFNO YOU FOOL! NOW GET ON YOUR LAPTOP AND GET FUNKY AND SHOW EM' WHAT CHA GOT DUDE! ". And that's when I release something even better as showing how much I care that the community cares about my work and time I put into my projects. But that's just my opinion, time to get back to some reading on java
Peace
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kifno said:
I agree. There is a HUGE difference between being given a donation out the appreciating and kindness of a person's heart for the developer's/theme-er's/person who helped them's work (is them's even corrrect lol ) and asking for a donation/begging to be paid for their service. But in truth even when I have recieved a donation in the past I take that as "oh they like what I did I guess I should keep it up, NO!!! YOU MUST DO BETTER KIFNO YOU FOOL! NOW GET ON YOUR LAPTOP AND GET FUNKY AND SHOW EM' WHAT CHA GOT DUDE! ". And that's when I release something even better as showing how much I care that the community cares about my work and time I put into my projects. But that's just my opinion, time to get back to some reading on java
Peace
- Kifno
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Kifno, whatever you're on, you need to share it.
But seriously, I agree. Donations are a way for people to show their appreciation to a dev besides a click of a thanks button. They are to be given freely, not begged or asked for, and when you receive a donation, an appreciative pm should be sent.
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user7618 said:
Kifno, whatever you're on, you need to share it.
But seriously, I agree. Donations are a way for people to show their appreciation to a dev besides a click of a thanks button. They are to be given freely, not begged or asked for, and when you receive a donation, an appreciative pm should be sent.
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