Anybody else notice this, the 8MP camera is noise as hell and in some cases (for me) distort the pic or shoots it blurry. Why is that? My 5MP on my HD2 is not noise at all. Is the Incredible camera noise as well (since im sure they are the same).
More megapixels doesn't equal higher image quality, I think this is what you're forgetting. It's just from HTC, they do process the hell out of the images taken from the camera and it's not enhanced by Kodak or Carl Zeiss. If it did have efforts from them I would be very disappointed. I really want to see how good the 12 megapixel camera on the Nokia N8 looks. Maybe we can have a benchmark.... it's still a phone afterall.
Post a pic with the noise you are talking about. What ISO setting are you using? AUTO?
Also what kind of lighting are you under?
This is a phone camera after all. The MP is just marketing.
how to import picture from EVO into the PC the pics are saved into the Phone not into SD
advice please
why don't you just email it to yourself?
rutter9 said:
why don't you just email it to yourself?
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I cannot email 200 Pics to myself
Raadius said:
Anybody else notice this, the 8MP camera is noise as hell and in some cases (for me) distort the pic or shoots it blurry. Why is that?
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It depends on your ISO settings. Your previous phone might not have had the issue because the EVO can go all the way up to 1250 ISO, while most other phones cannot go above 800. Its good to have options.
I would suggest to turn off auto ISO. If its dark, change your ISO to a high setting. If your in a lot of light, lower your ISO.
Even though 800-1250 ISO might be noisy, it can take sharper low light photos.
I doubt that the image sensor for this phone is not physically bigger than the 5mp one in the Hero. To fit 8 million pixels into the same physical space that 5 million pixels inhabit on the hero means that each pixel has to be smaller. Smaller things have less surface area and thus are less sensitive to light. To counteract this loss of light sensitivity they have to amplify the light that they receive and this causes more grain. Again, this is all assuming that the sensors are physically the same size. Most compact cameras have used the same size chip physically for years but adding pixels year after year. Eventually you get diminishing returns in quality because of the extra grain. This is why compact cameras don't have 30 mega pixels now, they reached the max where things just get worse if they go higher.
Set iso to 100
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Hey everyone!
So i've used the Desire HD's camera for a bit, and I find it's got potential. I used to have a HD2...and remember there was a registry edit fix and also settings in the camera app that were published here on XDA to improve picture quality...well i've found out that pictures are a lot clearer and sharper when these settings are applied on the Desire HD:
Go into the Camera app...
Press the menu button on your desire hd...
Turn OFF auto-focus
in the Image adjustments sub-menu, turn sharpness all the way to 2...
Take pictures, and as a good example of comparison take a before and after picture.
In the after pic, tap on what you want in focus. The overall quality of the picture will be a lot clearer! There is also less noise and the object will be in focus, and pepper and grain effect is largely eliminated! Try it out and report back
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Update 1 (00:09-10/12/2010):
Thanks to the knowledge and sharing of fellow XDA members, I have determined that what seems to impact/affect images the most is the sharpness settings. Contrary to my settings, you can also go into Image adjustments in the camera app and turn off the sharpness setting fully. This is done by turning the sharpness circle dial all the way to -2. It seems that when set on default, the sharpness algorithm is ineffective at determining the level of sharpness that should be used. As a result, images are reproduced with unwanted image effects such as distinct grainyness, noise and also seemingly out-of-focus/blury pictures! So you can use either -2 for smooth pictures that are good quality, or +2 for sharper pictures that are good quality! At the end of the day, it depends on what you as the photographer prefer Haha i'm making this sound like the Desire HD is a professional camera...it's certainly more than suitable for quick snaps that won't comprise on good memorable photos in 8MP
Update 2 (00:51- 10/12/2010)
Uploaded sample pictures!
will give this a try in the morning!
Is that +2 I take it not -2? I'll check this out in morning
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Yep, plus 2
yup the pictures are much better!!
i just hated all tht noise and grainyness!
Thanks a lot!!!
I didnt really notice the difference, I think im just horrid at taking photos haha
they do look slightly better i think!
I haven't tried this yet myself but its nice that the hd remembers these settings after a power cycle - I expected all settings to revert to default.
That does not help any here.
I think the compression is just screwed up very badly, or we don't have anything like a 8MP sensor in our phones.
You can see that very easily if you photograph or film some intricate pattern like in snow, frost, test patterns (printed on paper) or such. It just smears and blurs the hell out of these photographs and no settings in the user interface will help against that.
Now, a sensor actually resolving 8 Megapixels, on the other hand, should be capable of resolving to about four 1920x1080 computer screens worth of distinct pixels. Unfortunately when I view the photographs on the screen, in actuality I still those see smears and other artifacts even when I zoom the image to about ~25% of the screen's. So... ~0.5 MP or less resolution in reality? Beh, fail.
Meh, it is an 8mp sensor...I just assume HTC don't implement and make use of the best available lens, sensor size and compression rate....but the camera isn't bad at all..i'll upload some pictures i've taken recently, they're quite defined! Certainly more clearer, sharper and yet containing less noise than my old HD2 gosh colours on that were washed out
sharpness plus 2 will increase the digital treatment which seems to remove more noise and add more sharpness, maybe a little better than the default semi sharpness which a mess
however the camera is indeed 8MP it is ridiculous to state otherwise!! turn off sharpness all the way to -2 and all this digital artifacts will be gone as well as fake sharpness, you will be able to get full 8MP camera quality without HTC mending with them, you can improve photos further by using the auto fix or high contrast from within the gallery
of course noise will be introduced depending on the available light and of course with sharpness -2 it will be a little soft since it receiving zero digital treatment, take it to any photo editing application and you can boost the sharpness properly
really i don't get all the random posts camera quality, i'm getting amazing results even managed to amaze my iphone 4 colleagues, the only part where HTC really failed is the default noise reduction/sharpness algorithm (Sharpness 0) its a real mess thankfully it can be turned off
i should make a detailed thread about the camera and be done with it
after using it a few times, im still sticking to my D700
I`m quite happy with the point and click results but for serious pics i use my ancient Canon EOS 500.
ofcourse it will never beat a DSLR! only the satio and the nokia n8 come close but those sucks in their own ways
its not a perfect camera, but damn better than everyone make it sound, and pretty amazing for a phone, everyone complaining including some reviewers didn't even bother to experiment with the basic settings
the best words i found for this camera are in the Engadget review particluary this line ( Noise-masking blur is distributed very well, in our opinion, works especially well if can content yourself with downsizing the images from the max 8 megapixel size), gsmarena kept complaining about the sharpness and never mentioned it can be turned off
oh and it wipes the floor with the iphone 4 camera
the only two issues in this phone are the lack of ips in the screen and the size for those who can't handle it and no the battery is fine
hamdir said:
ofcourse it will never beat a DSLR! only the satio and the nokia n8 come close but those sucks in their own ways
its not a perfect camera, but damn better than everyone make it sound, and pretty amazing for a phone, everyone complaining including some reviewers didn't even bother to experiment with the basic settings
the best words i found for this camera are in the Engadget review particluary this line ( Noise-masking blur is distributed very well, in our opinion, works especially well if can content yourself with downsizing the images from the max 8 megapixel size), gsmarena kept complaining about the sharpness and never mentioned it can be turned off
oh and it wipes the floor with the iphone 4 camera
the only two issues in this phone are the lack of ips in the screen and the size for those who can't handle it and no the battery is fine
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agreed 100% with your post. Although the lack of ips is no issue imo.
thank you, ips is only an issue when use the phone flat on your desk or sharing with others, its a slight issue when old desire slcd/amoled, iphone 3Gs and ipads have much better view angles
but yea its no biggie, its my first HTC device where i found no need to flash custom stuff
Makes very little difference for me. I have to wonder about anyone that says this is a great camera - what are you comparing it against and have you ever used a Nokia for instance with Carl Zeiss optics?
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Makes very little difference for me. I have to wonder about anyone that says this is a great camera - what are you comparing it against and have you ever used a Nokia for instance with Carl Zeiss optics?
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yes nokia n900 and the DHD is better
i will post my results soon in full resolution
Here is a pic i took of my cat earlier today. Open in new tab to see the full resolution.
hamdir said:
i should make a detailed thread about the camera and be done with it
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Please do!
I for one am interested to finetune my camera app!
Becouse there is no optical zoom on HD2 my guess is that when i take 5MP picture with MAX ZOOM it will take part of 5MP picture and strech it to 5MP thus losing the quality.
What if i take 1MP picture with MAX ZOOM. Will it take 5MP picture and cut only 1MP portion. Or will it take 1MP picture than than strech part of it as zoom resulting in really bad quality.
Can anyone understand me and answer me how is zoom done on low-res pictures like 1MP on Android.
No answers. Does anyone at least understand my question????
This is mainly software question and im not sure how camera software take care of zoom on low res pictures.
your first assumption is correct: the digital zoomed image is obtained by cropping the full picture. As for the question about the different quality on picture taken, let's say, at 5mp or 1mp: i'm not totally sure but as far as i know on a digital camera the sensor will always work at the max resolution, only after that the cpu will scale the picture according to the user choice, applying at the same time a compression algorythm. So i believe the phone will take the photo at 5mp (zoomed, not actually 5mp - cropped) then the scaling process will occur, resulting a 1mp picture. The final quality will not be amazing but still acceptable.
I've had my G2 for about a week now and love it so far.
But there is one issue which irritates me, the camera. It does take a good picture and I like the 60fps 1080p. But these work best outside or in really good light.
I tried to take a video of my 11 month old son with the camera indoor and I noticed that even at 60fps, the framerate on the screen could not be more than about 20. The picture quality was not good either, lacking detail, blurry.
This translates to pictures too and perhaps the most annoying feature. When taking pictures the camera just takes ages to snap that picture. I tried to capture a moment of my son and after pressing the shutter button, I counted to 5 before the shot was taken. No good for those moments you want to capture.
Any ideas to any of this? Is it by design? Or is my phone faulty?
Today on my walk with the dog I was lucky enough to take a photo of him "Uwe" during run, I really like it but after back home and uploaded photo to the computer I've quickly notice there is a very bad pixelation all over the photo visible at 100% size with my 32'' 2560x1440 monitor
there is lots of hair / grass details destroyed by the huge pixels! so I am asking is this normal ??? photo was taken in HDR mode 5312x2988
there is the photo:
http://f.cl.ly/items/0P2w1W2D461i3L2E1V28/20141103_151549.jpg
and this is zip file with the original jpg taken from phone, this is probably the same as above quality but just in cast server side compression
http://cl.ly/2Q0A2M2v2C2l
This picture has to be considered excellent!
The N4 camera managed to capture the action and the focus is perfect on the dog.
Regarding your concerns, you can NEVER, and I say again, NEVER judge a smartphone (or even point&shoot) camera by looking at it on 100%.
This is because very heavy noise-reduction algorithms are applied to the picture, and this results in smearing of details when looked at 100%.
But I can assure you that if you print it as big as poster size (A3), the result will still be great!
Only cameras with big sensors can produce excellent quality at pixel level (when viewed at 100%).
So, rest assured that you own a phone with a very capable camera.
As a rule of thumb, always try to have as much light as possible in the frame, this will reduce this "smearing" effect.
I have to agree with the original poster. There's something odd going on with this camera. It's either over-compressed at higher resolutions or they're playing some kind of game to simulate a higher resolution than the camera can achieve clearly. Or maybe they have a really bad high-pass filter on these.
Also, I doubt that these will look good when printed at A3 but since I don't want to use the ink to find out, I won't argue that point.
One thing I've found is that the images are sharper and less mottled looking when I use a lower resolution. 5 or 8MP. It's also very sensitive to light levels. In typical Samsung fashion not all Note 4's are created equal. I've got the US T-Mobile SM-N910T. Other versions may behave better (or worse).
I'm putting together some comparison shots and will post when I'm finished. I've taken shots with the original Galaxy S, original HTC One and my Note 4.
A lot of my pictures look way over-sharpened.
Maybe another camera software could fix this, but I haven't played around with it yet.
Obecny said:
Today on my walk with the dog I was lucky enough to take a photo of him "Uwe" during run, I really like it but after back home and uploaded photo to the computer I've quickly notice there is a very bad pixelation all over the photo visible at 100% size with my 32'' 2560x1440 monitor
there is lots of hair / grass details destroyed by the huge pixels! so I am asking is this normal ??? photo was taken in HDR mode 5312x2988
there is the photo:
http://f.cl.ly/items/0P2w1W2D461i3L2E1V28/20141103_151549.jpg
and this is zip file with the original jpg taken from phone, this is probably the same as above quality but just in cast server side compression
http://cl.ly/2Q0A2M2v2C2l
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Next time try to turn off hdr so moving objects dont look blurry on the picture. I believe hdr takes multiple pictures to create final picture
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darekz said:
Next time try to turn off hdr so moving objects dont look blurry on the picture. I believe hdr takes multiple pictures to create final picture
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Yes, HDR is known to degrade the image quality if there's a lot of movement. I only use HDR for still scenes.
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