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New user (to be) confused about ROMS, Root etc.

I am due an upgrade tomorrow (hurrah) from Vodafone and having spent the last 18mths on a N95 8gb, my 5th Nokia in a row I have finally decided no the plunge with the Magic.
Basically I figure the platform is going to be more improved etc over the 18-24mths that I am likely to get locked into the phone for.
HOwever, my experience with Vodafone is that the OS they install is generally sub standard and want to know the following.
I have flashed WM5 to WM6.1 devices and also Symbian phones so have some knowledge ofthe process.
How difficult is it on the Magic, and which ROM is the latest "Best". I don't want to lose any 3G, HSDPA or WIFI capabilities.
Also, is there an app that allows syncing to a mac yet? Not a big deal as I can sync it all through Google Apps account. But without BT transfer, is there a USB drive programme for file transfer.
DOes changing the ROM make it impossible to install OS updates from ANDROID like the new 1.5 or is that the same thing?
Thank you.
Looking forward to this phone, want to make sure I can get the right OS on it before I start loading it with apps!

[Q] General question on HD2 android development

This may be a noob question but I'm in the market to buy a phone for t-mobile, currently looking at buying a used HD2 off CL.... Correct me if i'm wrong but android does not run 100% natively on the hd2 since it needs windows mobile 6.5 to run off of using Haret (does android run off the SD card?? I'm looking to use android as the main OS on the phone. I ready many problems but still not sure if its practical for daily use. I also saw the dual booting of android on the HD2 with windows mobile but it seems to still use Haret. Is it at all possible to remove windows mobile completely and flash it with android?
Let me know what you think,
Thanks!

NAND boot (booting without having winmo) is not yet available, but is expected soon.
So currently you still have to run it from Haret, but lemme tell you running Haret from SD on my HD2 currently is so fast/smooth/stable that I have no problems with it, and it runs better than a stock Vibrant or Evo or any other phone IMO.
Plus if you just get that itch for winmo you can load up your favorite ROM, it's a pretty awesome phone, I say go for it.

Hey thanks for the information. What rom are you using which you have everything working?

My suggestion would be to wait and get the Desire HD. The ROM for it is by far my favorite, but it still doesn't support the HD2 camera, which means I don't have camera capabilities in Android. It's a nuisance. Plus, boot times are RIDICULOUSLY slow. Fast into WinMo, but forever into Android.

I'm looking to use android as the main OS on the phone. I ready many problems but still not sure if its practical for daily use. I also saw the dual booting of android on the HD2 with windows mobile but it seems to still use Haret. Is it at all possible to remove windows mobile completely and flash it with android?
Let me know what you think,
Thanks! [/QUOTE]
I use Android as the main OS. If you load a custom WM ROM you can get ones that have apps already built in for auto-rebooting into Android.
I find my booting from WM to Android to be acceptable, but then I did come from an HTC Hero.
I am currently using:
[Everyday Builds][latest linux_on_wince_htc][PPP] CM6.1+ 11152010 v4 and the only problem I have is that mobile data will sometimes freeze, but if I go into airplane mode and then back out it is fine again. I am sure it will be worked out in time. I am actually shocked with how much Android development and research is going into Android on the HD2.
Welcome aboard.
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Installing Android to run like a top

whats up guys, so ive read a few sites that explain how to install android onto the hd2. i flashed one with no problems and it works flawlessly then i tried doing my cousins phone and his is messing up, contacts wont save and its locking up every once in a while.
So here is my question alot of the threads i was reading had conflicting information. So they are both flashed with hardspl already what is the lightest and most stable winmo to lay android over top of. Also what do you guys suggest for the best android rom to run over winmo and would a bootloader make the phone more stable. So i know what to do but i want to know from you experienced vets as to what is the most stable winmo that will run android great and what android rom to run for minimal problems. Ive read hundreds of pages on roms and such but everything is always outdated by time i get to it..
So what is working great for you guys. Sense is preferred on android and winmo will pretty much never be ran so no sense would be lighter im sure. Thanks for all the help in advance.
Also one more thing, as both phones are currently running android when they both try to connect to the same wifi router niether one will recieve data until one of the hd2 disconnects from the router. Also confused with that as my evo never loses internet when connected to the same router. For your info the router is a 2wire att dsl gateway. im thinking it could be a problem with the router but that shouldnt be a problem, so maybe the android rom i am using is not using its real mac to identify itself with the router and is causing problems. The wifi is encrypted with wep encryption.

a) You did NOT flash Android, you simply booted into android via your SD card.
b) Android does NOT run on top of windows, When you run haret it kicks windows mobile from ram and boots into Android kernel. Windows is not running at all.
c) Do not ask "what is best" questions they are silly and annoy everybody.
Stop been lazy and read, do some research and learn something, If you dont you end up with problems like your cousins phone.

TheATHEiST said:
a) You did NOT flash Android, you simply booted into android via your SD card.
b) Android does NOT run on top of windows, When you run haret it kicks windows mobile from ram and boots into Android kernel. Windows is not running at all.
c) Do not ask "what is best" questions they are silly and annoy everybody.
Stop been lazy and read, do some research and learn something, If you dont you end up with problems like your cousins phone.
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+1 for those tips

TheATHEiST said:
a) You did NOT flash Android, you simply booted into android via your SD card.
b) Android does NOT run on top of windows, When you run haret it kicks windows mobile from ram and boots into Android kernel. Windows is not running at all.
c) Do not ask "what is best" questions they are silly and annoy everybody.
Stop been lazy and read, do some research and learn something, If you dont you end up with problems like your cousins phone.
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A is correct, at least until NAND is done and stable.
Just to expand on B, the only thing I get out of different WinMo ROM's is speed of boot. Disable Sense if your WinMo ROM has it so when it boots to WinMo and kicks off haret, it kicks up faster.
C, yeah, I have to agree, you ask 1000 people about 100 ROMs and and somehow, you will end up with 1000 different answers.
Another thing to try is to backup your SD Card and format the SD Card (yeah, I know Dev's say it's not needed anymore, but why not?). Make sure it's a Class 6 or higher (DEFINITELY NOT a Class 2 and some reports show Class 4 work, but I try and stick with Class 6).

franky_402 said:
Also one more thing, as both phones are currently running android when they both try to connect to the same wifi router niether one will recieve data until one of the hd2 disconnects from the router. Also confused with that as my evo never loses internet when connected to the same router. For your info the router is a 2wire att dsl gateway. im thinking it could be a problem with the router but that shouldnt be a problem, so maybe the android rom i am using is not using its real mac to identify itself with the router and is causing problems. The wifi is encrypted with wep encryption.
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When running Android, the reported MAC address of your wifi card is not the actual MAC address, but one that can be changed.
Because of this, lots of builds have the same MAC address, and therefore you'll have this problem when connecting to the same wireless router. (If you're both running the same build then you'll definitely have this problem.)
Do a search - you can set the MAC address in the startup.txt file, but I can't remember what the actual text should read. It's been discussed in the forums before now, so it's there somewhere.

Or instead of being a jerk you can offer help and support or skip the thread entirely lol. Saves us all time.
Anyway, there are alot of ROMS out that cater to specific tastes. Me, I love Sense so that's my preference. Right now though I'm running a stock ROM from tytung that is running smooth as butter. No lags and data drops are almost non existent. But I know ill be running a new Rom within a few hours.
I'd suggest testing the builds on a week trial run or shorter. Try one out for a few days to get a feel for it and see if it has issues you don't want to deal with.
As far as WinMo, that doesn't really matter. I have a GTX full ROM running, I just don't use it except when restarting lol.
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[Q] Do I have to restore to WM 6.5?

I had a nand build of android installed on my HD2, but through various circumstances that phone cracked in half. So, I bought another HD2 this time used and when I popped my SIM card in I noticed it didn't have very good service.
Nonetheless, I was excited to have a working phone again, so I rushed and installed android on it. Now I can hardly get service much less internet, and I've messed around with a bunch of radios and none have helped so I assume it's a problem with the rilphone.dll. Do I have to reset to WM 6.5 to change the rilphone.dll or is it possible on android?

rilphone.dll is a windows file, nothing to do with android, so yes, you would need to be running winmo, however all reports say you cant change it manually (well you can but it wont work) it needs to be cooked in using a kitchen.
In the 20 months ive been browsing the hd2 section, ive never seen any posts saying rilphone made any difference to reception problems.

In that case, any idea why two phones running identical software would get wildly different service?

could be damaged / faulty / dismounted aerial inside, , ever taken any hard knocks?

Shaancc said:
In that case, any idea why two phones running identical software would get wildly different service?
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Maybe they got different radio roms?
sp pls check your radio version.
Settings->About Phone: Baseband-Version:
Generally version 2.15.50.14 works best for most of the users.

j4n87 said:
Maybe they got different radio roms?
sp pls check your radio version.
Settings->About Phone: Baseband-Version:
Generally version 2.15.50.14 works best for most of the users.
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i second that, when i was on winmo and changed over to android my signal wasnt at its best untill i flashed new version of radio....
check this site RADIO (CLICK HERE)

[Q] TMobile HD2 programmed obsolescence?

Guys, you may think I'm crazy or paranoic but this is my question:
Is there programmed obsolescence for TMobile HD2 with WM 6.5 cell phones?
I can explain. I have one TMobile HD2, my wife has another and my brother too. All phones were bought in different ocasions and different places. About two months ago all three phones presented problems with HTC Sense. HTC Sense couldn't be loaded and the apps couldn't be loaded. We turned off HTC Sense and thigs improved a little but the other apps started to present problems one by one.
All the apps were installed for a long time and weren't changed nor updated.
The apps in my phone were different from my wife's phone and from my brother's phone but the problems were quite similar.
I installed HSPL in all three phones and tried WM6.5 cooked ROMs. They didn't work well. I installed Android and everything is OK. All phones are working fine.
Is it a coincidence that WM6.5 support is ending?
Why the problems only show up with WM6.5 ROMs?
Does anyone know anything about?

All services are cut it
Sense need to connect to windows server for weather....this server are not avaliable....problably in hd2 foruns you will see more people complain about services from htc
Htc need to solve that problem
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It does not need to connect to HTC server for weather.
I & all staff in our company are running an old nrg build of 6.5.x for business use & it runs flawless & connects to all services as should ...
Don't expect all your problems to be solved by Android & be alert for a few new ones ...
I can understand issues with original T-mobile ROM & perhaps due to provider or region but a good custom 6.5.x windows mobile build still works properly & has no real loss of function from cut Windows support as it never had a lot to start with & not being server/cloud reliant functions fine even if HTC & it's servers disappeared off the face of the earth ...

Bicalho said:
Guys, you may think I'm crazy or paranoic but this is my question:
Is there programmed obsolescence for TMobile HD2 with WM 6.5 cell phones?
I can explain. I have one TMobile HD2, my wife has another and my brother too. All phones were bought in different ocasions and different places. About two months ago all three phones presented problems with HTC Sense. HTC Sense couldn't be loaded and the apps couldn't be loaded. We turned off HTC Sense and thigs improved a little but the other apps started to present problems one by one.
All the apps were installed for a long time and weren't changed nor updated.
The apps in my phone were different from my wife's phone and from my brother's phone but the problems were quite similar.
I installed HSPL in all three phones and tried WM6.5 cooked ROMs. They didn't work well. I installed Android and everything is OK. All phones are working fine.
Is it a coincidence that WM6.5 support is ending?
Why the problems only show up with WM6.5 ROMs?
Does anyone know anything about?
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I would suggest that you install a custom ROM; I'm surprised you managed for so long with the one that comes with the HD2. It really is bloated. If you HSPL and install a custom ROM, your problems will probably go away. The devices are out of warranty anyway.