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Hi all
I have a ?
I have a Tytn, WM6 XDA Live v0.20 from kyphur, HSDPA enabled and of course I have an HSDPA "abo" from T-Mobile.
My problem is as follow: I know from a collegue of mine that with this image, the H icon is enabled and that it's supposed to come up when you are actually on HSDPA. However I NEVER saw this icon witch to me means I never really was on HSDPA speed. I always have the 3G Icon.
Can someone confirm that you don't have to actually see the H icon to be using the HSDPA, that 3G is enough.
I'm curious.or maybe I missed something somewhere LOL.
Thnx in advance
Hehehe,
when you are in a area that has HSDPA, then you see 3G on your screen.
But don't forget to enable it with HTweakC.
Start --> Programs.
How long are u using internet, that u don't know 3G means fast internet and just G means slow internet. With T-Mobile it's standard.
If you read my post carefully you see that I know I have 3G and fast internet (I think I know a bit about internet hehe) BUT what I want to see is the H from HSDPA.This I never saw and I think that I'm suppose to see it. aren't I?
Hi I'm on t-mobile in the UK and I don't get the H either, I think it's a t-mobile thing. However, I know that I get high speed, I just don't get the icon.
Same here, (see my sig, definatly HSDPA speeds) i get HSDPA on O2 here and I NEVER see the H symbol (applied the patch and the reg entry IS present).
Im currently looking for the program (not sure what it is called) that returns the status of the HSDPA settings and etc... to see if you are TRUELY attached to a HSDPA network. Will report back when ive found it...
..EDIT! :: Found the program, it is the fieldtest program in the wiki pages
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Quick update people, i ran a speedtest on bandwidthplace from my TyTN, i got around 597kbps, checking the status on fieldtest shows i am NOT connected to HSDPA. Then again i ran it and got 1.1mbps....checked fieldtest and i am still NOT on HSDPA?!?!?!
From what ive read UMTS is usually around the 384kbps mark???? WHHHAAAATT is O2 doing ?? /me is intrigued!
597kbps mrvanx, that's what I get as well. That's why I know I'm on H as wel.Ha wel no icon is ok, it would have just made my day to just see it at least once LOL.
K ya know beside the signal bar it shows a "G" then if you click on it it asks if you want to turn on wireless, well now there is a "U".
Is there someplace that can tell me what all these symbols mean?
Wow.... seriously... where do you live?
The U means that you now are connected to UMTS which gives you the "broadband" access through your provider. Make sure you have unlim data plan. It will start to eat it up when you realize what you get to do with all that bandwidth. Have FUN!!!
well does it eat up data if you "dont" use messenger or web browse? AKA: just use the phone?
I do have a data plan for unlimited text messaging and i use Wifi when i wanna surf.
Quick guide:
Starting with the slowest.
Second Generation:
GSM
GPRS (the G symbol)
EDGE (the E symbol)
Third Generation:
UMTS (the U symbol or depending on localisation, 3G symbol)
HSDPA (the H symbol, if you've got this, then you're in for some fast download speeds)
It all depends on which network you're on and proximity to a tower as to what speed you will actually get.
There are other types, but these are the ones you're more likely to come across using a Hermes.
U Bet
ROTFLMAO.... I thought I had a bug in my ROM after flashing it, even went to the trouble of rolling back.
What a freakin' idiot I am!....
I live in an area where i see U and H fairly often up there.
However, to me it makes little difference, I don't download large files with the device. Web browsing seems mostly unaffected by the connection type.
Having the device in 3G or 3.5G modes does however drain the battery somewhat faster. I saw the difference in my Uni. Can't comment on EDGE as the Uni doesn't have it, I'll be getting my Hermes today so I should be able to comment on that.
It would be logical that the faster connection speeds would drain the battery faster, but I don't know how much faster we're talking about.
However, if battery life is a concern at all for anyone reading this, I would recommend turning off 3G altogether. Why? Web pages are going to render just as fast. Surfing the web is painful on these things regardless of the connection type.
On T-Mobile at least - here is a rough guide for the download speeds for different connection types. These are averages and do change and vary with signal strength. I work for T-Mobile, so these are accurate ^^
GPRS - around 44 kbps
UTMS (3G) - around 386 kbps
HSDPA (3.5G) - up to 1.8 mbps (increasing to 3.6 soon)
If you are on T-Mobile, and in a 3G area, then you will be most likely connected to HSDPA as it covers the whole of their 3G network.
Hope this is of some interest....
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if battery life is a concern at all for anyone reading this, I would recommend turning off 3G altogether.
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But how? AFAIK it's not trivial with my unit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337485.
From your network type, select 'GSM' instead of 'Auto', which I'm sure it is on now. That will do the trick. You might see an 'E' if you service provider offers EDGE, but this won't be an issue, otherwise you will just see the 'G' again.
Thank you. Now I know that in this sense, WCDMA = UMTS = "3G" icon.
Doom Tints said:
From your network type, select 'GSM' instead of 'Auto', which I'm sure it is on now. That will do the trick. You might see an 'E' if you service provider offers EDGE, but this won't be an issue, otherwise you will just see the 'G' again.
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That looks notoriously like one of my posts earlier in another thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337485
Yeah. Someone said OH MY I HOW DO I DO THIS IT'S HARD OMG and then pasted a link to your thread, which says clearly how to do it.
A simple cut and paste seemed in order.
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Hmmm...u poor guys..in Austria the speeds are different:
HSDPA : 7,2 MB (yep MegaBits) DL and 1,7 Mbits UL
BTW: HSDPA is not 3.5G its just a bunch of new coding schemes and NodeB software mods :.)
homerjay1981 said:
Hmmm...u poor guys..in Austria the speeds are different:
HSDPA : 7,2 MB (yep MegaBits) DL and 1,7 Mbits UL
BTW: HSDPA is not 3.5G its just a bunch of new coding schemes and NodeB software mods :.)
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T-Mobile UK will have these speeds by the end of 2008 all going well
Well my phone bill is the same so thats good
Text messages get sent a tiny bit faster, surfing is a bit faster. I dont see what the big deal about the HW upgrade was. oh well
Hey, I've got a (rooted) G1 on T-Mo contract.
I want to check if I'm getting the fastest internet I possibly can. I know Haykuro's build display an 'H' instead of 3G if you're on HSDPA, but I'm using JesusFreke's latest cupcake build and it's my understanding that that doesn't.
So the question is, how can I check whether I'm getting real super wow omg 3.5G internet (which presumably I can, living right in central London) or just the regular 3G?
I've wouldn't normally think twice, but I've read lots online about having to enable it and there seems to be a lot of confusion. Also, it would be nice to know when I'm on 3G and when i'm on HSPDA, given that JF's build (kickass as it is) doesn't include an icon for it.
slonzor said:
Hey, I've got a (rooted) G1 on T-Mo contract.
I want to check if I'm getting the fastest internet I possibly can. I know Haykuro's build display an 'H' instead of 3G if you're on HSDPA, but I'm using JesusFreke's latest cupcake build and it's my understanding that that doesn't.
So the question is, how can I check whether I'm getting real super wow omg 3.5G internet (which presumably I can, living right in central London) or just the regular 3G?
I've wouldn't normally think twice, but I've read lots online about having to enable it and there seems to be a lot of confusion. Also, it would be nice to know when I'm on 3G and when i'm on HSPDA, given that JF's build (kickass as it is) doesn't include an icon for it.
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download xtremelabs speed test from the market. then check your max speed against max 3g and min hsdpa speeds that you have since googled to find out. while on haykuros rom, i got the h icon and i have full 3g coverage here in kansas city kansas.
Ilm in the same boat at the moment. When running Haykuro's H build I have H on Orange UK, the about status of the network says Ilm running on HSDPA but nettraffic says I have no connection speed unlike UMTS (won't work in other words).
I'm currently on JF's ADP1.5 rom based on htc build and only get UMTS. It would be nice to be able to have HSDPA but UMTS is fine...
Hey aad4231, thanks for your reply...
I'm a little confused, I thought UMTS utilised 3.0g services whereas HSDPA uses 3.5g? When using JF, T-Mobile or Haykuro's G build the phone uses UMTS according to system information and netmeter and nettraffic. When I use Haykuro's H Build GPRS comes up, then UMTS and finally HSDPA. Data services work while on GPRS / UMTS but as soon as HSDPA comes up there is no connection speed in system info.
I'd love to have HSDPA speeds (with Orange UK I believe it's 3.6mbps or smthg) rather than UMTS as I use my G1 as a mobile router with Wifi-Tether.
Thanks in advance again!
Run a speedtest (e.g. http://i.dslr.net/tinyspeedtest.html). If your downlink is greater than 384kbps, then you have HSDPA.
As been mentioned above, just because you do not have a H icon doesn't mean you are not connected via HSDPA. The H icon is present only in Haykuro HTC build because HTC added extra icons to indicate whether a 3G connection is HSXPA enabled or not. However, that does not mean that standard Dream software cannot connect via HSDPA. It does, but it will not indicate it. Again, confirm with speed test.
Just done a speed test using Xtremelabs speedtest from market. I noticed I'm now getting 843.5kbps since I flashed my G1 with JF's ADP1.5 last night. Prior to this I was only getting about 320kbps on JF's RC9/RC33 Builds.
Thanks for your quick reply and sorry for having to get you to explain again.
G1 > IPhone
aad4321 said:
Thats pretty impressive, but as far as I know the different versions flash don't effect the speed. I believe that has all to do with the radio. Did you update your radio, that may have something to do with the increased speeds?
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Actually the most likely scenario is just moment-to-moment variation in network usage. Packet-switched data services are usually delivered on a "best effort" basis. If you check the bandwidth at different times of day you will probably notice fluctuating numbers.
aad4321 said:
Thats pretty impressive, but as far as I know the different versions flash don't effect the speed. I believe that has all to do with the radio. Did you update your radio, that may have something to do with the increased speeds?
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Yeah, Flashed the Radio with HTC's 1.5 from their Dream website. I do notice that speeds vary though throughout the day. In Mid-day I get about 400mbps but hadn't got 800mbps+ before, even in the evening.
Hot damn, it must be a low traffic day here in AZ. I just pulled down 1062kbits/s.
I just noticed that it says your network type on Settings>About>Status, so you can get an easy definitive answer rather than just running a speed test. Also has battery level which is nice. I made a homepage link to it on anycut for easy access
I'm kind of confused. After flashing cyan's rom, my service keeps switching between 3g and H. This has not happened prior to me flashing the rom though. What is H? Is it a fixable problem?
Could be wrong, but it's probably H for HSDPA
Oooh its actually a bonus for me at least, since before, my Nexus showed 3G whther it was connected to the faster HSDPA or to 3G (Unlike my Hero, which showed H or 3G)
will have to give CM Rom a go once my Nexus arrives back from HTC
Dayz
Cyanogen's ROM enabled the notification if you are on HSPA network. I beleive you will get 3G if your network changes to UMTS (depends on your location). The stock ROM shows 3G even if you are on the HSPA network.
Ohhhh alright. I understand then. It still bugs me though lol
Yes i can verify this is the case, reason why i jumped ship to cynogens rom
heroskyy said:
I'm kind of confused. After flashing cyan's rom, my service keeps switching between 3g and H. This has not happened prior to me flashing the rom though. What is H? Is it a fixable problem?
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since by default the phone is after the fastest avail option, it tries to get to 3G. if and when you are in the area with uncertain 3G coverage, it could scan and switch to 3G, then to HSDPA (hence - H) or even EDGE (E)
I have this mess on the stock N1 - 3G-H-E changing constantly in some areas.
bad thing is that in such case my data stalls:-( I guess it has nada to do with Cyan's ROM. fwiw
No he must have done something, normally Nexus only shows 3G even if there's HSDPA.
I have HSDPA and here with Stock ROM it only shows 3G, but you can see in the Settings at Status that you've got HSDPA.
Router said:
since by default the phone is after the fastest avail option, it tries to get to 3G. if and when you are in the area with uncertain 3G coverage, it could scan and switch to 3G, then to HSDPA (hence - H) or even EDGE (E)
I have this mess on the stock N1 - 3G-H-E changing constantly in some areas.
bad thing is that in such case my data stalls:-( I guess it has nada to do with Cyan's ROM. fwiw
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Actually, HSDPA is faster than "3G" (which I'm assuming is actually UMTS), so your phone will use HSDPA whenever it can, then downgrade to 3G if HSDPA isn't available, then EDGE, then GPRS. HSDPA is actually considered "3.5G, 3G+ or turbo 3G" according to its Wikipedia entry.
Paraglider1982 said:
No he must have done something, normally Nexus only shows 3G even if there's HSDPA.
I have HSDPA and here with Stock ROM it only shows 3G, but you can see in the Settings at Status that you've got HSDPA.
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He did do something. Someone already asked him on Twitter and he answered here.
This reminds me of my times with Windows Mobile where you'd change a registry setting to make the indicator show you had an EDGE connection instead of always showing G (for GPRS)
Quite nice, I was missing this on Nexus
Paraglider1982 said:
No he must have done something, normally Nexus only shows 3G even if there's HSDPA.
I have HSDPA and here with Stock ROM it only shows 3G, but you can see in the Settings at Status that you've got HSDPA.
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did you even read what I wrote? The stock ROM has the H icon but for some reason its disabled so that only the 3G icon shows up if you have HSPA. Cyanogen simply enabled the H icon to be usable.
I wonder why though, they would disable it...
I cant think of any solid reasons, and if it is in-fact better then "3G", You would think they would want people to know that they have a faster connection present..
but anyways, thanks cyanogen
heroskyy said:
I wonder why though, they would disable it...
I cant think of any solid reasons, and if it is in-fact better then "3G", You would think they would want people to know that they have a faster connection present..
but anyways, thanks cyanogen
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Given the confusion in this thread alone, which is presumably made up of people who know more about their phones than the general public, I think it's reasonably obvious why it's disabled. The phone companies have spent lots of money and time marketing "3G" to the public - most people will know what you're talking about if you say 3G, almost none of them will know what HSDPA is, and I doubt the cell phone company wants to spend the time to explain that it's actually better than standard 3G to every customer. It's just that much easier to make it say "3G" and be done with it.
ISTR that my Hero and Touch Diamond2 before that, and Touch Cruise before that, all showed a 3G symbol on hsdpa until you were actually downloading something - then it changed to show a H before returning to a 3G when stopped downloading.
I think!
Router said:
I have this mess on the stock N1 - 3G-H-E changing constantly in some areas.
bad thing is that in such case my data stalls:-( I guess it has nada to do with Cyan's ROM. fwiw
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@ melterx12
My Post was regarding this, it can't be that has H in display with stock ROM
So, this 'H' HSDPA signal display should be a fix in the OTA update?
Is there a possibility that someone answer here and explain how to enable H icon showing?
I think it's in framework-res.apk but don't know where exactly...
I don't want to install a cyanogenmod rom or others to have it. Who have already done it, could share that information with us...this is a forum..
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I want to enable the H icon on the stock ROM.
Rooted phone, custom recovery, locked bootloader.
Is this possible?
suffix642 said:
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I want to enable the H icon on the stock ROM.
Rooted phone, custom recovery, locked bootloader.
Is this possible?
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I'm not able to decompile framework-res.apk to source...i've done some tries but with apktool that's not possible...
It is not sufficient open it with winrar or similar because config.xml is in the core....
Hi All,
I'm getting a very weird and annoying issue regarding HSPA on Virtuous ROMs.
I found that H is not working properly in the same place where it got to work on Stock ROMs.
I'VE READ ABOUT THE FAQ ON THE ISSUE:
Q: I used to see HSPA+ (H) connectivity with the stock ROM, where Virtuous shows me 3G in the same area. Why is the data slower?
The stock T-Mobile ROM lies about data rate and displays H even if you are in a 3G-only territory. Virtuous displays H only when you actually have HSPA+ service.
HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN ANSWER FOR ME. IT IS VERY WEIRD THAT HSPA NETWORK (shown as "3G+" in virtuous 1.0.0) IS TRIGGERED EVERY TIME I MAKE A PHONE CALL. However, I'm not able to start H by opening a browser, etc which triggers a data transfer.
Therefore, it should not be a network problem. Also, when I switch back to stock ROM, the HSPA is working properly.
May I ask for your kind help? Thank you in advance!
P.S. I'm using:
HBOOT: ENG S-OFF 0.84.2000
Radio: 26.06.02.27_M
ROM: Virtuous 1.0.0 with htc kernel (also tried using Std and Adv kernels but problem still exists)
i think that the 3g+ is H
cause i get H speeds when it is 3g+
Yea same problem
When I switched to Virtuous even 0.9.5, I no longer have HSDPA speeds nor HSPA+.
P.S. im running 1.0 right now
anyone plz?
No problems here - I get the 3G+ everywhere I used to get H.
Also, you mention that HSPA is working correctly when you switch back to a stock ROM - that's probably not true. The stock ROMs show an H whenever you have *any* 3G coverage (whereas pretty much all of the custom ROMs differentiate between '3G' and '3G+/H'). So when you see an 'H' on the stock ROM, you have no way of knowing whether it is 3G (like you're seeing on the custom ROMs) or if it is, indeed, HSPA+.
Menu - settings - about phone - network
HSDPA
It is working.
Pretty sure he's using new icons, in the latest roms. There's no issue, its just using a different icon to show the same thing.
It's just the icon, they really don't differentiate between the speeds.
Yea the rom is based on orange and they use 3g+ and t-mobile uses HSPA... well speed should still be the same
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To clarify, I do know about the 3g+ icon issue.
My problem is that I can only get UMTS after switch to new ROM. No 3g+ no matter how much data I transfer.
The most weird thing is that 3g+ is triggered only when im making a phone call.
Im sure its not a carrier cheating issue because i was able to get hsdpa in *#*#4636#*#* mode. After switching to virtuous i only get umts.
Thanks all who was keen to help and reply!
IntegraR said:
To clarify, I do know about the 3g+ icon issue.
My problem is that I can only get UMTS after switch to new ROM. No 3g+ no matter how much data I transfer.
The most weird thing is that 3g+ is triggered only when im making a phone call.
Im sure its not a carrier cheating issue because i was able to get hsdpa in *#*#4636#*#* mode. After switching to virtuous i only get umts.
Thanks all who was keen to help and reply!
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I am having the same issue you are...
Im stuck on UMTS HSDPA nor HSPA will load... I did a nandroid restore and now it wont get off UMTS
EDIT: I am running 1.0.1
EDIT AGAIN: Updated to Latest Radio and everything is back Online!