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Question: Updating memory for Apps to SD.

Hey, atm while i was learning more about the G1, I kept the 1 GB in there. I now want to know more about the installing apps to SD part of it. 1st off after I get a memory card. (Which btw I saw I can get a 2 GB model. How do I know if its good? Sandisk work ok or do I need a SDHC or no?
Also after applying the fix that does apps to SD. Would that mean anything I install from the market after that point auto installs to the SD? Also is it worth it? Right now I was comfortable installing to the internal memory this way I could unmount the SD card and not worry about something going horribly wrong that needed access or so. (I like to know about things I do to my phone before doing it.)
Anyways just wanted to get some info on this a lil more and know if its worth it so I can continue looking into it and how to do it. Thanks. =)

1. I'm not sure about sandisk, but the one i use (Transcend) works just fine. I'm not really that too good with sdcard specs lol...
2. Yep, every app you install from the market will be installed to your sdcard. Well, to me, it's really worth it because you can get more apps and not really have to bother with that low memory warning... I also think it removes some lag lol

Ok sounds good, so to confirm, I DO 100% need a 2 GB at least to use? How do I know if its the right type tho?
Also my current apps, is there a way to move them over easy enough or do I need to wipe my phone and reinstall everything from scrath? ( One of the reasons I avoided this since I really did not want to lose a couple of these apps since they are older ones and not "Trial" or they were removed, or just hard to track what I did have)

Mysticales said:
Ok sounds good, so to confirm, I DO 100% need a 2 GB at least to use? How do I know if its the right type tho?
Also my current apps, is there a way to move them over easy enough or do I need to wipe my phone and reinstall everything from scrath? ( One of the reasons I avoided this since I really did not want to lose a couple of these apps since they are older ones and not "Trial" or they were removed, or just hard to track what I did have)
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From what I've read, you only need 500 megs of space on ext partition. More than that, and it'll lag a little bit.
I actually have my sd partitioned 6gb/2gb fat32/ext2 respectively.
A class 6 sd card (you can tell by the small number in the corner... no number, probably a class 2 then) is recommended, but I am using a class 4.
If you put music and video on your sd, I would recommend going with a 4gb or higher card.

So where does it install the apps to? EXT2? So normally you only wanna have 500 megs on ext2?
But 1 GB wouldnt be worth doing this right?
Also any news on if I can move all my apps to it or if it had to be reinstalled?
Also how do you really go about finding a app that is no longer on the market but yet has updates for?

Mysticales said:
So where does it install the apps to? EXT2? So normally you only wanna have 500 megs on ext2?
But 1 GB wouldnt be worth doing this right?
Also any news on if I can move all my apps to it or if it had to be reinstalled?
Also how do you really go about finding a app that is no longer on the market but yet has updates for?
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I wouldnt use a 1gb card, but thats because I like to put music and videos on my phone.
All applications downloaded after you create the symbolic link to install applications on sd will be installed on the ext2 partition.
Everytime you wipe (factory reset) your user data, only a few commands are needed to restore the symbolic link. So, no you won't need to reinstall your apps (your unprotected apps anyways).
I would use atrackdog to find apps that arent on the market but have updates

Apps to sd
here ya go dude
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=468959&highlight=(modded)+apps+sd
just follow these instructions, theyre the ones i used.
If you don't know how to use, or setup ADB, then at the bottom there are some instructions to use terminal emulator
Hope this helps

well I use atrackdog. But are you saying I should just use that to reinstall them? Most of my apps are from the market except for some. However while it says it has a update for a app, when I goto the market its no longer there some of the apps.

You wont lose the apps... no need to worry about that, it doesnt affect what apps you have, it just simply moves all the files from the apps to your sdcard... the only thing removed or changed will just probably be a theme and thats it lol...

cool. After that, I assume I would need to turn off the phone to take the card out and add files to it? Also if I wanted to "upgrade" the card later on, how would one move the files over? Use Linux to transfer the files directly to the other SD card or what?

Atrack will sometimes track beta testing versions that are only available to testers, so you wont always be able to utilize atrack dog to install updates.
Trust me, if you like downloading and trying out apps, you'll be glad you made the switch

Woot, I did it, Using a Kingston 2 GB
I updated to the JFvMOD by LucidREM, which I assume I had to do 1st for the SD apps right? Then I did the copy apps and data, seems everything converted over correctly, so Im happy about that, finally have workable space again and my G1 doesnt force close anymore due to lack of space.
Now come some other questions. I know in Linux I can access the memory card with a adapter to put files on. However in windows, how will this work? If I use usb will it only read the fat32 partition or will it try to read both? I know when I plugged it in by a adapter directly, WinXP acts like it doesnt see the memory card. It knows one is there, but it wants to format it. (Which I dont, granted odd since I do have the mod on WinXP that lets me see EXT3 partions)
Now the bigger question. When JF updates his regular version (Whenever G1 updates) will I be required to wait for THIS modded version to be updated before continuing or how does that all work for updates now? I used to know with the regular one but now that I use a mod of a mod version. Kinda confused where I stand. Heh.
But yes, so far I am happy I made the switch, got 58 megs free of internal heh. (I assume thats correct on a normal thing?)
Also later on with new apps etc, will they try to use internal memory or will EVERYTHING run to the SD card now? (How do you even check the EXT2 free space now? Astro or what?) If it does use internal, do I need to somehow do regular transfers over to the SD?
Anyways I know alot of questions, but least after this Ill have a better understanding how to keep proceeding. Thanks. =)

Internal Memory Full - How could that happen?

Hi i have my HTC HD2, relativly new one, i have installed stuff ofcourse to it, and always picked memory card cause i know the internal memory aint so greate, anyway when i go into remove programs there are lots of stuff but are they the ones that are installed to internal and not external? i removed little that oly gave me like 600k more but that affect the internal.
And i know that you wondering whats the problem beside my memory is full,
the problem is i always like i said before pick to install to external cause of memory, how can then my internal be full?
like 3 of 30 stuff i could pick myself where to install.
So someone plz help me? i know i neeed to like reinstall the device and install everything again.
I have like skype, tomtom, hd2 tweak, games hdwall bu i iunistall case it didt work. etc.
sorry for my english

I think your main problem is HTCAlbum cache
go to application data-->htc-->htc album and check how much space occupies the cache folder
In some cases it's larger than 10 mb
So, if it is the problem, you can cancel the cache and then try this tip
Another possible problem could be the cache (or temp files) of other programs, such as opera, internet explorer, google maps and so on
One advice for saving more space in the internal memory:
if you don't use copilot and navipanel, you can remove the copilot folder from the folder "program files": it occupies almost 14 mb
regards

Ok i will try but it seems as the internal memry goes full everytim i insall stuff even i i pick memory card, i will soon reset it and do it over again and check + do the things you advice me to.
just questions about it
if i cancel the cache does it make album slower?
ty in advance

if i cancel the cache does it make album slower?
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maybe a little bit...but I don't notice this problem with the mod I adviced you.
...and for your problem...
Before you think to Hard-reset your device, You have to know that when you install a program, even if you install to the microsd, a piece of the install information goes on the internal memory anyway (and occupies some memory space, obviously)
regards

ok, here is what to do;
1. install total commander to phone memory (not sd card)
2. eject sd card
3. on total commander file>find files then find files greater than the default 64k or or 1mb if you want the search to be quicker
4. click on 'size' to sort files into descending order
5. delete or copy any unwanted files
in my case i had some videos that were already on my pc, so i deleted them.

Ok i will try i have movies and pic but are they by default placed on sd card? anyway i think mine are but they arenot taking upp space on the intern? like installed programs.
forgat to quote but i answerd you xboxdevil

qllkevuoi said:
maybe a little bit...but I don't notice this problem with the mod I adviced you.
...and for your problem...
Before you think to Hard-reset your device, You have to know that when you install a program, even if you install to the microsd, a piece of the install information goes on the internal memory anyway (and occupies some memory space, obviously)
regards
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Ok same as on computers, but that means they are limited stuff you can have on your phones and i mean i dont have so much, standard win 6.5 sense and changed icons, installs tweaks and some games like 10 :S thats bad, i want the at&t version wtf thanks anyway for the answers

toxicstone said:
Hi i have my HTC HD2, relativly new one, i have installed stuff ofcourse to it, and always picked memory card cause i know the internal memory aint so greate, anyway when i go into remove programs there are lots of stuff but are they the ones that are installed to internal and not external? i removed little that oly gave me like 600k more but that affect the internal.
And i know that you wondering whats the problem beside my memory is full,
the problem is i always like i said before pick to install to external cause of memory, how can then my internal be full?
like 3 of 30 stuff i could pick myself where to install.
So someone plz help me? i know i neeed to like reinstall the device and install everything again.
I have like skype, tomtom, hd2 tweak, games hdwall bu i iunistall case it
didt work. etc.
sorry for my english
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I have never been able to understand why people won't use internal storage!
I have 27 apps installed and this leaves me with 127Mb free which would allow a further minimum of 20 more that I could install assuming an average size.
Why would I want to install to mem card?
It's slower, causes difficulties of all sorts and the internal mem was designed to be used for your apps in the first place.

Although I understand what you are saying pa49 I personally install on my sd card so that
A) I can move from one to another phone if needed or
B) If I have to hard reset then I dont have to load the apps up again when I restore a backup
C) makes backing up and restoring the phone faster and smaller
D) I make a backup of my sd card so that if somthing goes wrong its all there.
I think its a personal preference. I dont fine that my phone is slower or faster one way or the other.

InRBigness said:
Although I understand what you are saying pa49 I personally install on my sd card so that
A) I can move from one to another phone if needed or
B) If I have to hard reset then I dont have to load the apps up again when I restore a backup
C) makes backing up and restoring the phone faster and smaller
D) I make a backup of my sd card so that if somthing goes wrong its all there.
I think its a personal preference. I dont fine that my phone is slower or faster one way or the other.
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Yes, I know all these arguments.
But we don't (as a rule) use our PCs this way.
It would not be good practise to install all your PC apps on an external hard drive.
If you applied your four points you'd end up with a mess and I don't see our phones as any different.
We expect our phones to function robustly and then we go out of our way to destabalise the whole thing.
I just don't get it.
This thread
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google Mobile/thread?tid=1163588d699c01d4&hl=en
is just one example of what can happen and the problems were solved by installing on the phone mem!
"Sounds like for at least some folks, installing on phone memory successfully works around this. If you'd prefer to not use phone memory, I'd also try borrowing or buying another memory card as it is potentially due to a portion of your old memory card being corrupted." Quote from Google employee.
What should be most allarming, to those who install to mem card, is the statement, "it is potentially due to a portion of your old memory card being corrupted".
This is the very reason why I always install to phone mem, reinstall all apps after a ROM flash or hard reset and limit my mem cards to only storage of data.
It's not a personal preference.
It just makes sense.

onboard storage

What can i do to get more? i seem to only have 200mb
any pointers?

custom roms have varying amounts of storage, some are really high, if you are really desperate for that much, try a 576mb rom.
you could also install a microsd card, they are relatively cheap all the way to around 8-16gb's larger cards do work in the hd2 but they get very pricey after this.

Xp3RiM3nT said:
if you are really desperate for that much, try a 576mb rom.
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576MB roms are for 576MB of RAM, not storage. Doesn't help him.
Anyway yes, there are custom roms with more or fewer preinstalled programs and thus free space, but 200MB is about the norm, you'll have to live with that, use your storage card for most, and... read the forum for hints as there are already 1000's of threads about low internal memory...

kilrah said:
576MB roms are for 576MB of RAM, not storage. Doesn't help him.
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ah yes >< forgot about that.
as for the actual low memory thing? what are you doing with your memory?
I find pictures and music should go on an sd card and programs should go on the device storage and I dont seem to have many problems.
I currently have 35 programs showing in my remove programs window (this doesnt show everything) although I could probably delete half of these and not even notice they are gone :S
I have 12 megs free(out of 278 megs) in my device memory (getting kinda low) and 6 gigs used out of 8 gigs on the sd card.
I tend to use groovemobile for music if I have a decent internet connection, although most of that sd card space is music and tomtom maps.

Make sure you delete the stock images that come with the phone (copy to sd card if you wanna keep them) and delete the music that come preloaded. That'l give you a few more MB.
As already said, you wont need to install many things to device memory, just get a decent class of SD card.

internal memory
Is there a way of seeing which programs may have been installed to the onboard memory and whats to the storage microSD? Some kind of app or something? I know there are folders but guess that does not always mean it was installed to the onboard memory.

Search for MTreeSize, good thing to see folder sizes and see what uses more memory than expected.

IC_C (12MB) Can this be deleted
IC_C (12MB)
Can this be deleted without causing problems?
There are several files in the HTC ALBUM folder that are big!

Yes, but it will rebuild itself in no time. Search for HTC album cache on here, there's a fix to move it to storage card.

onboard space
ah thats much better, now i have more spare space than whats used! Awsome!!
Thank you

Memory issues.

I have a little over 30mb left on a internal memory and i can't download or even run some of my apps any more, it keeps telling me not enough space or storage is running out evwn though i have about 53gb on my ext.sd. I have tried moving apss to ext. infact most of my apps show as copied to ext. but i still have this problem. Anybody has any idea what i can do ?

Tha T said:
I have a little over 30mb left on a internal memory and i can't download or even run some of my apps any more, it keeps telling me not enough space or storage is running out evwn though i have about 53gb on my ext.sd. I have tried moving apss to ext. infact most of my apps show as copied to ext. but i still have this problem. Anybody has any idea what i can do ?
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Go into settings/storage and look at the coloured breakdown of how the data is being taken up - are apps still the main culprit?

Ouzo said:
Go into settings/storage and look at the coloured breakdown of how the data is being taken up - are apps still the main culprit?
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Yes, just apps. I don't really have a lot of media... On it.

Tha T said:
Yes, just apps. I don't really have a lot of media... On it.
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Sounds like some of the apps you have moved to the microSD card have only partially moved their data. Perhaps if you go through each app which has a large amount of data and see exactly where its data is located you may get to the bottom of things. In the past i've noticed that some games that have a large amount of data only more a proportion of it to the MicroSD card (from memory i think NOVA might be like that).

Ouzo said:
Sounds like some of the apps you have moved to the microSD card have only partially moved their data. Perhaps if you go through each app which has a large amount of data and see exactly wher its data is located you may get to the bottom of things. In the past i've noticed that some games that have a large amount of data only more a proportion of it to the MicroSD card (from memory i think NOVA might be like that).
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I found Fifa 14 and NFS most wanted each had over 1gb on internal SD, I've deleted them but now the games don't work. At least I have some free space and I can always reinstall when I figure out what's happening. Thanks.

Internal storage issues showing space used that isnt

Basically when i use ES file explorer i have roughly 4gb of apps , system file, and other stuff but its showing an additional 14gb or so used. Is this a common problem? I didnt see anyone else ask about it and googled for an answer and found nothing. Im hoping its not damaged storage and a simple fix. Was planning on giving the new rom a spin as soon as enough folks were running it to know a baseline on fuctionality and common issues as i miss having a clean rom with root.

Isn't that the storage used by the OS?

jkcarp94 said:
Isn't that the storage used by the OS?
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I believe that is 8.68gb atleast on my phone and is accounted for. I dont have much in the way of apps and push most of my files, music, vids, pics and such to my external.