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How long does it take to your tytn to wake up?

Hello
My tytn require a quite large amount of time to wake up and I was wondering if I was the only one in this case.
It may require from 2 to 4 seconds to recover from standby; I tried to phone myself and it took about one or 2 "tuuuut" (sorry, no better english translation for that word =)) before the phone began to ring; this is quite anoying because I have to answer very fast in order not to miss call.
The virtual keyboard used for inputing the code is also getting on my nerv; most of the time it start with the landscape layout (without any reason) and it take 2 sec to adjust to the portrait layout; during that time it is hard for me to input my code correctly because the size of the key is changing.
So, 2-4 seconds for waking up plus 2 seconds for keyboard adjustement is in my opinion quite slow. Am I the only one experiencing this? Are there fixes out there?
I also have some trouble with notification; it wake the device up! If the device is not password protected (only after 15 minutes on my phone) it start most of the time PIE (because of the hardware button). All this lead so to my second question: Is there a way not to wake up the device (at least the input) in order to avoid unwanted press on the hardwares buttons.
Thank you in advance !

fun_key said:
Is there a way not to wake up the device (at least the input) in order to avoid unwanted press on the hardwares buttons.
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Settings -> System -> Key Lock -> When device is off: "Lock all buttons except Power button"

Thanks for your fast answer, i ll give a try!
Concerning the screen orientation issue I found out that it is related to the HTC case magnet.
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In fact it was already configured like this; the device is not waked up by the hardware buttons, but by the notifications.

if you use the key lock you can avoid unwanted key presses. As for wake up times. I don't think anyone who has this device wants to admit that it takes to long cause they paid sooo much for it. However, I will admit that it does take a long time to wake up. I am comfortable saying this because its much like a turbo car, at first its not as fast as most naturally aspirated cars (turbo lag), then it blows their doors off. So it takes a couple seconds to wake up, then its faster then most other devices.
Later, Lew

Agreed. Coming from standby I get two rings of the "Old Phone" ringtone before it goes to voice mail.

I am hoping that new firmware will resolve this issue - my wizard was certainly more responsive when i presses the poer button to bring it out of standby. This is furthur delayed by the fact that i keep scabbling around the top of the device for the power button insted of the side!

pof said:
Settings -> System -> Key Lock -> When device is off: "Lock all buttons except Power button"
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This doesn't help with the particular problem. What I think fun_key is trying to say is that whenever he gets a notification (for example when he gets a new sms message or a notification for a meeting) the phone will come out of sleep mode, so the key lock setting for "when device is off" won't be in effect. Instead the device will be powered up and accepting all keypresses, like the IE / Messaging- buttons, not to mention any presses on the screen.
I too find this annoying, and wish there was a way to make the phone go back to sleep after showing me a notification, instead of waiting for the default sleep time to go by. There are programs out there that have this functionality (for example MortSaver) though, so my advice would be to use those.
- Pud.0

thank for the mortsaver ip; i ll give a try!

Have exactly the same problems as fun_key (power button, keyboard in landscape, etc), and I suspect most of other people do. The wizard was definitely more responsive.

fun_key said:
It may require from 2 to 4 seconds to recover from standby; I tried to phone myself and it took about one or 2 "tuuuut" (sorry, no better english translation for that word =)) before the phone began to ring; this is quite anoying because I have to answer very fast in order not to miss call.QUOTE]
I've found a solution to the problem regarding the length of time before a call is missed (this is probably known by most people, I only found it after tinkering with the settings):
Start>Settings>Phone>Services(Tab). Choose Call Forwarding in the list, then click Get Settings. Change the 'Forward After' setting to a higher number. I changed mine to 25 seconds. Problem solved for me!
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g00nerz said:
fun_key said:
It may require from 2 to 4 seconds to recover from standby; I tried to phone myself and it took about one or 2 "tuuuut" (sorry, no better english translation for that word =)) before the phone began to ring; this is quite anoying because I have to answer very fast in order not to miss call.QUOTE]
I've found a solution to the problem regarding the length of time before a call is missed (this is probably known by most people, I only found it after tinkering with the settings):
Start>Settings>Phone>Services(Tab). Choose Call Forwarding in the list, then click Get Settings. Change the 'Forward After' setting to a higher number. I changed mine to 25 seconds. Problem solved for me!
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Glad your problem is solved. Perhaps others may find the following of note as well as your solution above:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-258109.html
Mike
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Hi team
I have the same issue, every time i turn my hermes on after its been off for more than say 30seconds it starts in landscape mode then switches to portraite mode, its driving me mad, at least i now know i am not the only person. maybe this will be fixed in the next rom update, fingers crossed aye
UPDATE: i also found this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286552&highlight=standby+landscape
does anyone have any thoughts on his comments?

I actually think that the reply in the thread i posted above is correct,
My Hermes is an IMATE JASJAM (same thing of course) and i use the original belt holder that came with it, it has two (2) magnets in it to keep the cover shut, when ever i get a msg and i pull it out of the case (turns on automatically to show me the msg) its always comes out in landscape mode.
I turned my phone on and passed the cover with magnet side down over the phone and sure enough as i did that the screen changed from portrait to landscape mode, thus confirming its the magnet that causes it and not a defect with the phone.

Phone-likeness of TyTN?

Gday TyTN folk.
I have an iMate PDA2k and am thinking of moving to TyTN, but being a bit frustrated with my current unit I'd like to know whether TyTN makes a better phone than BA does.
My specific botherments are:
- notification light (green/red/orange) where the functions over-ride each other. e.g. if I miss a call while its charging, it starts flashing red, but then it completes charging and goes green. Actually, even if it's not charging it seems to stop flashing red after a while. I want it to keep flashing red until I actually handle the device and should have noticed.
To me it makes more sense to combine the bluetooth light with the charge light, and leave the phone notification as a separate item.
- notification icon space in start bar. Currently it's ALWAYS showing a multi-message bubble icon (I'm always in CDMA 1x coverage, and also have an app running that puts its own notification icon up) so I don't see a new one for SMS or voice message. It looks like the best answer might actually be a 3rd party start-bar app, but still.. is it any better under WM5?
- waking up. Incoming calls, messages, and bluetooth connections, wake up the device completely. If it's in the pouch, or worse, in my pocket, the screen then gets bumped, thereby performing actions I don't want to. Even getting it out of my pocket without bumping the screen is a challenge. I tried setting an unlock password (some time ago) but that wasn't satisfactory; I don't remember whether the screen still unlocked on incoming calls, or if unlocking was too much a nuisance.
Ideally, it should wake up enough so that the firm hardware buttons are unlocked but the screen isn't active until you've used a button.
The voice-recording button used to annoy me with accidental presses when removing from pouch; I changed that button to do screen rotate which I find more useful, and no big deal when pushed accidentally - just push it again.
- Sound quality, especially for the person on the other end of a call. I've had people tell me I'm faint on the iMate. Positioning is a little interesting as I don't really want to rub my face all over the screen. Does the TyTN pick up any better?
- turning the phone off. (Like Windows' contradictory "click start to shut down") I really don't like the fiddly actions required to "turn on flight mode" on pda2k, especially when I don't want to get out the stylus. People with normal mobile phones can turn them completely off using one hardware button, and they don't have to look hard to see whether it's on or off. Some have mentioned wanting an easy way to switch to/from silent mode.
Is there a quick, sensible, easy way to turn the phone on and off, preferably also to/from silent?
Thanks

gregnash said:
- notification icon space in start bar. Currently it's ALWAYS showing a multi-message bubble icon (I'm always in CDMA 1x coverage, and also have an app running that puts its own notification icon up) so I don't see a new one for SMS or voice message. It looks like the best answer might actually be a 3rd party start-bar app, but still.. is it any better under WM5?
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First a corresponding icon (envelope, phone), after more notifications, you get a bubble (?). Not a bubble all the time.
gregnash said:
- turning the phone off. (Like Windows' contradictory "click start to shut down") I really don't like the fiddly actions required to "turn on flight mode" on pda2k, especially when I don't want to get out the stylus. People with normal mobile phones can turn them completely off using one hardware button, and they don't have to look hard to see whether it's on or off. Some have mentioned wanting an easy way to switch to/from silent mode.
Is there a quick, sensible, easy way to turn the phone on and off, preferably also to/from silent?
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One hardware button for standby, hold it to turn the device off completely. You get a window where you can just hit the d-pad button.
There's also a button for comm-manager, there you can select silent/vibrate mode and flight mode.

Hi, you speak of not wanting to rub your face on the screen, I actually use my TyTN in speaker phone mode to prevent this, I just quickly enable speaker on a call, and flip the phone to where the back is by my face, it puts the speaker in a good spot also, I know it sounds a bit weird, bit works pretty well.
Granted I don't do this with every call, mostly I use it when I know the call is gonna last for more than a few minutes.

notifications, buttons
TiMMah!!! said:
First a corresponding icon (envelope, phone), after more notifications, you get a bubble (?). Not a bubble all the time.
One hardware button for standby, hold it to turn the device off completely. You get a window where you can just hit the d-pad button.
There's also a button for comm-manager, there you can select silent/vibrate mode and flight mode.
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You're right about the notification icon, but if I was watching the screen at the time of the additional notify then I'd already know what's there and wouldn't need the icon. On the pda2k cdma, being in a 1x coverage area generates a notification, plus mNotes puts one, so there's a bubble even before I receive any sms, voicemail etc. Combine that with the behaviour of the flashing light, it means if I missed something I may not know about it unless I go looking.
Thanks re the hardware button, that's good news.

face-rubbing
ChaoticDruid said:
Hi, you speak of not wanting to rub your face on the screen, I actually use my TyTN in speaker phone mode to prevent this, I just quickly enable speaker on a call, and flip the phone to where the back is by my face, it puts the speaker in a good spot also, I know it sounds a bit weird, bit works pretty well.
Granted I don't do this with every call, mostly I use it when I know the call is gonna last for more than a few minutes.
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Creative! I'll remember that one..

Sounds like you should check out PhoneAlarm

Accidential Answering

I use my 8525 in a side case and when the phone rings I usually pull out the phone to see who's calling to decide if i want to answer... though 9 out of 10 times i accidentally hit the answer button. I always lock my phone via device lock on today screen... is there a reg hack or setting which will allow me to disable or customize ALL the buttons (when in lock mode) on the 8525 so I don't accidentally answer. to me if i were to assign a button (ie power or ptt) to only be allowed to accept a call (when the phone is in lock mode) that'd be great. I'm tired of auto answering and what good does a device lock do if you can easily auto answer?

bumping this back up... Can I be the only one with this issue? If so how do you use your phone and not auto answer?

abricko said:
bumping this back up... Can I be the only one with this issue? If so how do you use your phone and not auto answer?
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Sorry you're not getting replies and I have no solution of the type you are looking for sadly. I've tried to replicate what you say happens but it's not easy!!! My key is not that easily pressed and I always put the device back with screen towards my body - my fingers don't seem to get very close to the green button.
This is probably daft to suggest but have you checked the setting that lets you specify auto answer within X number of rings - just in case it's answering the call by itself!!. (apologies if you checked this setting already!!)
Mike

This may do what you want...
http://www.pocketmax.net/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=da5459e6aadc9c38d5a74b0276782091&board=19.0

Auto Answer is not set... the problem is (and it's a problem with the phone design) when the phone is locked none of the buttons respond until you hit the power button and then unlock the phone via the screen (which is good).
However when there is an incoming call or reminder the screen turns on and then a few buttons are active on the phone (send, end and the two soft keys seem to be). So when a phone call comes in, if the phone is in your pocket or the hip case while reaching for the phone it's VERY easy to accidentally press any of the active buttons and then accidentally accept or reject that call.
I've searched everywhere I can think of and I find little mention of this problem and no mention of a fix, most screen lock replacements only do as much locking as the WM5 built in lock does. The button re-activation after an incoming call is probably something built into the hardware. That's all I can deduce from this.
Thanks for the responses I've received so far.

I am on my fourth PDA phone and have used both Win Mobile 2003 and WM5. They all behaved this way and it is one of my biggest complaints with the Windows OS. I have seen apps for Palm that solve the problem. How hard could it be to have the option to only wake with the press of the power button?!

not hard at all, but the again its M$, i am surprised these devices to have ctrl-alt-del keys.

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hello all. Im a use rof an old spv. and just got my new HTC HD2
a few questions if i may? i can't figure out and ive been trying since last night, i've searched google high and low as well and called tmobile.
1. the phone when it dims and then goes to sleep, i have to always press a hard button then slide the lock to unlock... is there away to disablehaving to press a hardbutton? it gets really annoying having to press ahardbutton every minute when the phone goes to sleep!
2. when the phone dims after 10 seconds is there a way to set it up so that your first press just undims the screen and doesnt actually press whats under neath it?
3. ive read all over google about the gesture feature, ive asked tmobile. and i cannot get my phone to do any gestures what so ever. ive download and installed the shake and wake and still nothing. i download a program called pocketshield and that completelly locked me out of phone becuase when i shook it it wouldnt turn on i had to take off battery wait a minute and then replace the battery then uninstall the app.
4.the media players.. ive tried coreplayer, windows media player, pocketplayer, the one that plays the most files is coreplayer.. ive noticed in fullscreen mode there are no buttons? everytime i tap the screen ti brings me back to portrait view... is there any recomendaions for a player similiar to core player that has controls on the big screen in landscape view? and that offers all the features coreplayer does? eq, visualizations, plays as many file types etc...
5. ive looked everywhere on how to change email icons the envelopes.. is there away to change those or do we just have to remember the order of the email icons?
thanks for any help or light you guys can shed! i really hope some of these issues can beresolved. i feel ive exhausted my xda,google searching, and phone settings searching.

1. It would consume lots of battery power to constantly monitor the touch screen. You can increase the amount of time before it goes to sleep.

ok i'll just have to deal with it an dwill raise the time.. ty for reply.. anyone else on the other questions please?
TY in advance

could anyone one confirm that the hd2 from the usa allows for shaking? ive rest phone and it doesnt work called tmobile and they have no clue! i'd liek to get me phone to be able to work with gestures.
Thanks

let me rephrase. does anyone know if the htc hd2 has... Windows Mobile phone with a tilt sensor / accelerometer/ g-sensor. or the ability to shake it and it will wake up?
thank you

It has an accelerometer, but there's NO shake to wake up.
Only way to wake up is to press a hard button.
5. if you mean the dirrerent e-mail accounts in sense, when you press on the "slider" that's on the active account and drag it, its expands to the left and shows the account name.

ok.. then what about the posts here about shaking it and tilting it? and what about pocketshield saying that you can shake it, and this link as well?
http://www.mobinauts.com/topic/110094-shake-to-wake-up-your-htc-hd2/
thanks for your reply!!!!. it's like pulling teeth in this forum very tough to get replies!

Apparently the shake to wake is a somewhat "experimental" add-on someone on here made and abandoned, works for some and not for others... nothing official, normal that tmo have no clue about it.
No idea about pocketshield, haven't read reports about that particular function on the HD2. Not very popular apparently, so you'll have to try yourself.
TMO support will help you about what was on your HD2 when you got it, nothing else that you'd install later.

thanx for reply.. well that pocketshield can be dangerous for some.luckily when ya replace battery it brings back the default slider. otherwise people would be locked out of there phones.
one last question and i promise to stay away for awhile.
how to u turn your backlight back on? example you have it set to dim after a minute. and your app. is there a way to undim the phone? instead of clicking on the screen or touching a button and it recognizing your touch and undimming it and selecting whatever you touched? i'd liek to be able to just touch something and it would undim and not select something underneath where i touched.
thanks

Not that I know of. It's been so with every touchsceen device I've ever had, need to either press a hardware key, which usually will do something too, or touch the screen and try to tap in an empty place.
Personally I don't use dim, I've set both dim and turn off to 1min.

xtacybyme said:
it's like pulling teeth in this forum very tough to get replies!
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That's because this is a developers' site, not a phone support forum.
Discussions are for developing programs, apps and other fun stuff.
If you want tech support there's many forums out there.
You should not be asking questions on here, about how to use your new T-Mobile HD2. I'm surprised your thread has not been locked.

xtacybyme said:
hello all. Im a use rof an old spv. and just got ... i download a program called pocketshield and that completelly locked me out of phone becuase when i shook it it wouldnt turn on
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Of course it won't turn on by shaking, phone must be ON for any gesture to be recognized. It is the hardware nature of these type of phones(you always need to press the hardkey, unless it is the phone turning on by itself).
Now, if you meant it didn't unlock when shaking after power on then maybe your g-sensor is not calibrated or you were doing the movement wrong. Take a look at minute 1:20, see how the movement is done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47BFSLnmBLI#t=1m20s

thanks for replies i was away out of town.
That's because this is a developers' site, not a phone support forum.
Discussions are for developing programs, apps and other fun stuff.
If you want tech support there's many forums out there.
You should not be asking questions on here, about how to use your new T-Mobile HD2. I'm surprised your thread has not been locked.
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there were many others here asking for help so i thought i could. my apologies. i will search and post elsewhere.
Of course it won't turn on by shaking, phone must be ON for any gesture to be recognized. It is the hardware nature of these type of phones(you always need to press the hardkey, unless it is the phone turning on by itself).
Now, if you meant it didn't unlock when shaking after power on then maybe your g-sensor is not calibrated or you were doing the movement wrong. Take a look at minute 1:20, see how the movement is done:
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i did tap the hard button first and then tried the shake movement, and i was locked out. i will redownload pocket and give a fair chance again by following the movement given in the video you posted.. thank you for the explanations guys.

HD2 During Call Lock Screen Bugger

Hi there,
I have been a member for a short while but I have learned a lot from the members and enjoyed their genius in answering just about all of my questions ever since I upgraded to HD2.
Even after all my searches I still have one more bugger left with the phone which I could not find the work around as of yet.
I happen to be on the go almost all day long and I use wired or Bluetooth wireless hands free sets to get through my conversations.
Once I answer the phone via either of your headsets the screen stays on in the cramps of my pocket or back pack which mostly houses my HD2 while I am on the go. The proximity sensor seldom turns the screen off and as a result of my moving around some on screen bottoms, namely the end call, are pushed.
The hard key that turns the screen off normally also doubles back as the end call key so pushing it hangs the calls rather than turning the screen off.
In short I am looking for a way to make the screen go off during my conversations, preferably via some other hard key so as to make sure I have no unwanted anything activated, or deactivated for that matter
Thanks

So what seems to be the deal? It’s a weird question or what? I mean not even a simple reply? Have I got it so very off the base here or is this something nobody experienced or has had issues with?!!
Come on people throw me a line here!!

Did You tried a S2U2 ? It has a feature to lock device during incoming calls and many more.