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Hi all,
I'm normally found (every so often) in the Xperia section (current handset ofc). I have another mobile contract which is coming to an end and have been intrigued by the Magic. I got to play with one today and was pretty impressed (although the GPS was quite a bit off in Google Maps) - the form factor and the fact it is so light was a big plus. The screen was responsive and very clear.
So I guess my question is how have you guys found it in a slightly longer term perspective?
What is the marketplace like and are there a lot of useful apps worth getting?
What is the browsing experience like?
How is the GPS (i.e. accuracy and time to lock)?
How are the media capabilities (namely music and video)? And does anyone use stereo bluetooth headsets with it?
And lastly how good is the contact management/calendar management? Can you get upcoming appointments/reminders to show on the home screen? How many Google calendars can you sync?
Thanks to all who reply!
Fuzzmo.
I guess from the non-replies - No!
I love My g1 dont have the magic hasnt come out in the state yet. the 1.5 update for the g1 is awesome so im guessing the magic is amazing.
Quite a nice phone, but i might send mine back. No sync with Outlook. WTF? This is to force us to use Google products instead.....
Hmmm.... no tar
Shame
no replies cos its a strange question to ask in a magic forum..... android is so much better than WM its not funny- i came to android from a WM phone and it is total daylight between the 2. I had a HTC Touch HD for a couple of weeks, and while the screen looks nice the sensistivity of the screen is terrible compared with the capacitive screen android uses. WM is slow as well.
Magic is definitely worth it- there are so many android phones coming out this year apparently so there will be a lot to choose from by the end of the year...
oh yeah, no Music download store.....
Apple WWDC on Monday, The new iphone is looking good!
mwatson said:
Quite a nice phone, but i might send mine back. No sync with Outlook. WTF? This is to force us to use Google products instead.....
Hmmm.... no tar
Shame
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dont use outlook myelf but my mate does and he says he has an app that he uses to sync with outlook...
MontAlbert said:
dont use outlook myelf but my mate does and he says he has an app that he uses to sync with outlook...
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How do they expect to compete when the most simple essential thing like syncing can't be done? Even my old SE k750 for 6 years ago could sync my contacts and calendar on Outlook.
I've tried the app too but it doesn't work. I understand this is only affecting the Vodafone branded Magic.
Thanks for the tip though..
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oh yeah, no Music download store.....
Apple WWDC on Monday, The new iphone is looking good!
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How can you say its looking good when all we have to go on at the moment are rumours based on thin air of what we think it might be. And what some creepy old guy who reviews phones said, but he didn't really reveal anything.
But I'm unsure whether to get an iPhone, if the next one is a massive improvment and brings something awesome to the table I might get it. Otherwise I'm getting the Magic.
Just my predictions for the next iPhone....A higher resolution screen, possibly OLED, more RAM, 32GB version, bluetooth which can transfer files not just a headset, bigger battery, thinner phone. That said, I think the Samsung i7500 (android phone) will be able to beat it on all points except RAM.
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Quite a nice phone, but i might send mine back. No sync with Outlook. WTF? This is to force us to use Google products instead.....
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You can sync your contacts, etc. using HTC sync.
In can be found in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519270
I'm defiantly getting the magic. I don't like apple and I want something different from my Tytn II that I have been using (and loved) for the past 20 months. It has heaps of apps, you can tinker with it... my type of phone.
AdamHC said:
How can you say its looking good when all we have to go on at the moment are rumours based on thin air of what we think it might be. And what some creepy old guy who reviews phones said, but he didn't really reveal anything.
But I'm unsure whether to get an iPhone, if the next one is a massive improvment and brings something awesome to the table I might get it. Otherwise I'm getting the Magic.
Just my predictions for the next iPhone....A higher resolution screen, possibly OLED, more RAM, 32GB version, bluetooth which can transfer files not just a headset, bigger battery, thinner phone. That said, I think the Samsung i7500 (android phone) will be able to beat it on all points except RAM.
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I'm going by the recent announcement in Marh of 3.0 not any predictions. I'd put my money on new iphone on Monday.
If you are the kind of person who gets emotionally attached to the gadgets you buy, please stop reading this post.
I'm not trying to start an inflamed discussion about which is the best device or manufacturer.
I’m not an Apple fan, in fact, I hate being “Apple locked” and that’s one of the main reasons I’ve bought the Leo after owning an Eten x500, a Kaiser, a Blackstone and finally, an iPhone 3GS.
I could go over and over describing the differences and the pros and cons of each device but I won’t. I’ll just try to tell you guys a few things we don’t have to accept.
We don’t have to accept …
the endless steps (gold card, hardSPL, regEdit, dictionary hacks, you name it) needed to get the phone speaking your language. You just have to say: I want “THAT” system language and “THAT” input language and that’s it. That’s how it’s done on the iPhone. And I’m not talking 3 or 4 languages. I’m saying over 30 different languages and oh, you also have voice control on YOUR language. You don’t need to hack Voice Command…
an SMS conversation that gets all messages out of order (doesn’t HTC know how to do time calculations?)
a Gigahert processor which can’t smoothly scroll a web page. I know it’s probably due to bad Opera coding but… have you ever scrolled an iPhone Safari?
a whole bunch of bad designed apps which you can’t effectively control / interface with because Windows Mobile programmers really don’t seem to realize that “user friendlier” is better. Have you ever used a same App on both platforms? Take Trapster for example (It’s available at Micrsoft app store). The windows mobile version of it makes me feel sorry for the programmer while the iPhone version feels very nice. Of course this is not the only example…
a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
I could go on but there is something I realized that made me feel really hopeless (yes, I would really like to like a Windows phone). While HTC (and other manufacturers) keeps on launching device after device in a short time frame and thus creating new bugs and issues to deal with, Apple keeps on improving its one and only iPhone OS, for its one iPhone device (ok, different versions but very similar) which keeps getting better and better.
While iPhone developers have to deal with interface and compatibility issues for 3 very similar devices, a Windows Mobile developer has to deal with hundreds of them, some very poorly designed and a few very good (like Leo) but in the end, there is no way to develop a very good app for so many devices without a huge effort (and cost). Also, developing an App exclusively for one Windows phone wouldn’t be cost effective as a single model doesn’t represent a large enough consumer market.
Apple, with the iPhone, didn’t create a device as we are used to. Instead, they created a product with a long roadmap, mature SDK, sufficient market share, providing the necessary ecosystem for developers all around the world to make it even better.
It won’t be possible for any manufacturer, using any OS, to compete with such a mature product if they don’t realize it’s not a device we need. It’s a product.
Sadly, I’m going back to my 3GS… (god I hate iTunes…)
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a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
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Couldn't agree more on that.. Actually some people believed that HTC guys were deaf to provide us with such a loud distorted audio quality. I can't forgive HTC for the SMS bug.. I can't load all my SMS, device becomes really really slow and laggy.. How come they did not run a proper test to ensure their HTC Messaging application was working fine with dozens of SMS? This is really unprofessional. What where they busy with? The weather animation?
HTC support will contact me today to collect some symptoms and bugs I found but they did NOT ( as they claimed ).
Hopefully a hotfix will be available ASAP.
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Couldn't agree more on that.. Actually some people believed that HTC guys were deaf to provide us with such a loud distorted audio quality. I can't forgive HTC for the SMS bug.. I can't load all my SMS, device becomes really really slow and laggy.. How come they did not run a proper test to ensure their HTC Messaging application was working fine with dozens of SMS? This is really unprofessional. What where they busy with? The weather animation?
HTC support will contact me today to collect some symptoms and bugs I found but they did NOT ( as they claimed ).
Hopefully a hotfix will be available ASAP.
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Well, one thing we can safely assume by now is that no one at HTC actually uses their devices. Unless they are all deaf, send and receive SMSs only to/from their one and only imaginary friend and probably spend too much of their time watching the weather channel...
fmcastro said:
Well, one thing we can safely assume by now is that no one at HTC actually uses their devices. Unless they are all deaf, send and receive SMSs only to/from their one and only imaginary friend and probably spend too much of their time watching the weather channel...
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Some bugs are bearable.. I had too many with all my previous XDA/HTC phones. But for such basic bugs to be found, the device primary tasks ( phone calls / SMS ) should never be affected because it makes the device useless...
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the endless steps (gold card, hardSPL, regEdit, dictionary hacks, you name it) needed to get the phone speaking your language. You just have to say: I want “THAT” system language and “THAT” input language and that’s it. That’s how it’s done on the iPhone. And I’m not talking 3 or 4 languages. I’m saying over 30 different languages and oh, you also have voice control on YOUR language. You don’t need to hack Voice Command…
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Uh... you do realise that the reason these hacks exist is because the HD2 probably hasn't been officially launched in the country / language of your choice, and that people are hacking so they can use the HD2 in their country sooner than as decided by the carrier?
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an SMS conversation that gets all messages out of order (doesn’t HTC know how to do time calculations?)
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That's Microsoft's fault - having said that, I haven't had the problem with the HD2 itself - only the custom ROMS cooked with Leo packages on a Touch HD.
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a whole bunch of bad designed apps which you can’t effectively control / interface with because Windows Mobile programmers really don’t seem to realize that “user friendlier” is better. Have you ever used a same App on both platforms? Take Trapster for example (It’s available at Micrsoft app store). The windows mobile version of it makes me feel sorry for the programmer while the iPhone version feels very nice. Of course this is not the only example…
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And this is more due to laziness on the developer's part and nothing to do with Windows MObile or the HD2 in general. Take a look at S2U2 - have you seen how nice the settings page is? Or GAlarm, *the* best alarm program ever.
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a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
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Agreed. Wish HTC would get their act together.
If you hate iTunes so much why not wait a few more months for the Xperia X10, running Android with Snapdragon? Or the Motorola DROID for that matter?
aussiebum said:
Uh... you do realise that the reason these hacks exist is because the HD2 probably hasn't been officially launched in the country / language of your choice, and that people are hacking so they can use the HD2 in their country sooner than as decided by the carrier?
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Humm... not exactly. Most people here at XDA were trying to switch from an oficial ROM to another. That said, we're talking about official languages. I was trying to flash a WWE ROM on a french device for example. The HTC excuse for this terrible language mess is, of course, microsoft: "Unfortunately, due to licensing restrictions put in place by Microsoft, it is not legally possible for us the change the language of a device once it has been loaded" - Quoted from an HTC support email I received.
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That's Microsoft's fault - having said that, I haven't had the problem with the HD2 itself - only the custom ROMS cooked with Leo packages on a Touch HD.
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Do you realise it shouldn't matter whose fault it is? It's a faulty device sold by HTC, period. I don't feel any better knowing it's an OS fault.
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And this is more due to laziness on the developer's part and nothing to do with Windows MObile or the HD2 in general. Take a look at S2U2 - have you seen how nice the settings page is? Or GAlarm, *the* best alarm program ever.
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I know but I think it's a bit more complicated as I said on the original post. Besides the laziness, WM developers face a too heterogeneous ecossystem that makes things really harder. "Ok, I've finished my app, now I just have to port it to 640x480, 480x640, 480x800, 800x480, 320x200, and who knows what else, despite the fact that standard WM UIs are really crap so every developer has to start from scratch if they want to make something look good. In short, only a few very brave souls will be capable of that.
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Agreed. Wish HTC would get their act together.
If you hate iTunes so much why not wait a few more months for the Xperia X10, running Android with Snapdragon? Or the Motorola DROID for that matter?
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Because Android is not that good also. It seems like a better OS than WM but when it comes to user experience and, most important, a consistent user experience across all apps, it fails for the same reason WM fails. Lack of a product design and roadmap. It's just trying desperately to be installed on as most devices as it can.
Regards
And yet, the reasons people still use Winmo/Android is because the Iphone OS has serious deficiencies in some areas.
There is no perfect phone....all we can do is make the best of each OS.
Honestly you'd be better off with an iphone. I love my HD2 despite some minor problems, because I enjoy messing around with my phone. Also browsing the net on the HD2 is much faster than on the 3GS and you don't have to zoom in in order to read anything on the screen.
Let's not forget that the device is going to be upgradeable to winmo 7 as well.
Solution - keep HD2 and get ipod Touch - best of both worlds. Connect ipod via Wifi to HD2.
I owned iphone 3gs...
I read all you've been writing and i, as former iphone 3gs user, must say that everything you say is corect but... why don't you say to all of us why you gave up your iphone... or why you really hating go back to itunes... and of course why in the close future you'll give up again, and sell the iphone???
The answer, real answer is that with iPhone you have everything right in place as you say but there is no fun... no joy... like trying to have the best sex but not in the mood... if know what i mean...
I had moments when i pulled out my iphone, from my pocket, and i wanted to play arround with it and...come on, really boring!!!
Iphone is the best in terms of everyday use, but if wm 7 will get better in terms of use it's going to be a strong iphone killer!!!
I really like my HD2, in spite of all the hiccups, because it's fun, you can lose yourself for hours doing nothing but looking inside of it... settings, registry, HKLM, HKCU... does ring a bell, than entering here at xda and finding that someone did something and you hold your breath till you see if that is working or not...
I only say that i like playing... and HTC HD2 is giving me that!!! i don't need silly games to have fun from my device...
By the way...
No OS can have better handle of e-mail attachments than wm... for sure!!!
I HAVE NO REGRETS FOR SELLING IPHONE OVER HTC HD2!!!
Cheers!
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I really like my HD2, in spite of all the hiccups, because it's fun, you can lose yourself for hours doing nothing but looking inside of it... settings, registry, HKLM, HKCU... does ring a bell, than entering here at xda and finding that someone did something and you hold your breath till you see if that is working or not...
I only say that i like playing... and HTC HD2 is giving me that!!! i don't need silly games to have fun from my device...
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Thanks for perfectly expressing my thoughts
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Honestly you'd be better off with an iphone. I love my HD2 despite some minor problems, because I enjoy messing around with my phone. Also browsing the net on the HD2 is much faster than on the 3GS and you don't have to zoom in in order to read anything on the screen.
Let's not forget that the device is going to be upgradeable to winmo 7 as well.
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I must say i have had an iphone 3g and i'm more happy with my HTC HD2. One of the reasons is because i simply think you pay way to much for the piece of hardware itself still no 5mpx camera while 8 is almost normal and 12 is high end. The new gs is worth more the money tough but the camera keeps me off and i kept hearing a annoying resonance while calling and the software isn't perfect as well and not that stable after a few days plus the battery life of the HTC HD2 is better as my iphone 3g and way better as the 3gs.
I like the default windows mobile software HTC Sense is annoying, camera flip, weather animations can't be turned off. Emails why show the email in the way it is shown now? i just rather had opened the whole email app so i can view the emails like your supposed to and not like a letter.
While calling you have to slide to get the extra options, why? there is a hang up button on screen wich you can press so why not the other buttons?
HTC tried to make a nice looking skin but not a functional one.
I use the default titanium skin with some modifications like a task manager added to the options and msn and the camera. But the apps for calling and the communications manager work great.
About windows mobile 7:
Windows mobile can be great. But i still have the idea they haven't learned from their mistakes. Look at the buttons a phone is supposed to have according to microsoft for windows mobile 7. a Pickup, a home, a start, a back and a hang up button. Why so many? Home and start could be one, 1 press to go home another to go to start and press again to go home again, simple and effective. Why a back button? when would you use that? Press the home button and your back in the home screen and applications usually have their own back button when needed. So pick-up home and hang-up would have been enough. Since Microsoft asks for these buttons they still think to complicated and i bet windows 7 will to complicated as well all though it will be more complete compared to 6.x.
But i love how i can change things to the user interface and multitasking is great, the iphone can't do that by default and that really sucks. And backgrounder that does make it possible, makes the phone more unstable as a windows mobile one. It is stupid windows mobile doesn't use it's greatest advantage for marketing and battling the iphone with it, this is where windows mobile could stand out with.
I'm writing this from my macbook on os x snow leopard and even i still prefer my windows mobile HTC HD2.
Windows Mobile 7 will simply use CE7 Kernel, compiled for new ARM CPUs and will use the new ARM instructions.
Now we're running Windows Mobile 6.5 that runs on CE5.2 kernel.
It's like running Windows98 on a Phenom X4 quadcore CPU
Even on other MSM chipsets that has got an ARM11 CPU, that potential isn't seen because of that.
When WM7 will be released, we'll see our device performance unleashed
I've had my HD2 for a week now and I must say I'm more than pleased with it. I did consider the iPhone as an option, but as I want to connect my phone to my Exchange Server then it was a no brainer to opt for a Windows Phone and the hardware specs of the HD2 are way above the iPhone. A big thing that put me off the iPhone was it's reliance upon iTunes to synchronise my calendar & contacts - it's dreadfully buggy toy software and I don't want a music application on my work PC.
If anyone has any doubts as to the iPhone's reliability and stability just Google "iPhone faults" and you'll see the problems users have experienced with their iPhones are considerable, with many being bricked through their hardware faults. Interestingly the most common reported faults are similar to those reported by the HTC dissenters such as slow SMS sending - maybe these are network issues? On top of that there's now the 'Astley' virus which Apple helpfully explain away as "the users' fault".
The emergence of open source Android phones whill hopefully spur the mainstream smartphone OS writers to concentrate their efforts on developing their own platforms. It's true to say that Microsoft haven't trerated their Windows OS as a mainstream product and there's still too much legacy code in 6.5, but it's still a decent OS for its intended purpose Hopefully that will be addressed in Version 7 which looks likely to be available to HD2 users as an (free?) upgrade. There's masses of quality third-party apps avaiable to maximise its smartphone potential for just about all users,.
There isn't a perfect smartphone out there and as we demand ever more features of them I doubt if there is likely to be in the forseable future, but the nice thing about the Windows Phone OS is that it is eminently hackable.
HD2 Simply Put...
Depth & Customization!
iphone got it right???
I remember hearing complaints about iphone for at least the first year, and as omneity says:
"If anyone has any doubts as to the iPhone's reliability and stability just Google "iPhone faults" and you'll see the problems users have experienced with their iPhones are considerable, with many being bricked through their hardware faults. Interestingly the most common reported faults are similar to those reported by the HTC dissenters such as slow SMS sending - maybe these are network issues? On top of that there's now the 'Astley' virus which Apple helpfully explain away as 'the users' fault' ".
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5. a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
Sadly, I’m going back to my 3GS… (god I hate iTunes…)
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p.s. I am a former Apple user. Iphone is more of Jobs' controlled user experience.
I couldn't stand it.
I find it ironic that Apple started out supporting open source while Gates worked hard at controlling users choice.
Now it is the reverse.
New things r always trapped in some trouble, and that's why i have paid close attention to leo, but i didn't buy it! im just waiting for a staid one.
To put it simply - the HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I think it is awesome. I've had an iphone, etc - but the truth is there is no phone that hasn't got problems. The Iphone is falwed because it has no multi-tasking, crap camera, poor messaging (in my opinion), limited configurability, and its tied to iTunes which is horrible. The HD2 has non of the above. Yes it has flaws itself, but in my eyes less than any other phone out there at the moment.
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To put it simply - the HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I think it is awesome. I've had an iphone, etc - but the truth is there is no phone that hasn't got problems. The Iphone is falwed because it has no multi-tasking, crap camera, poor messaging (in my opinion), limited configurability, and its tied to iTunes which is horrible. The HD2 has non of the above. Yes it has flaws itself, but in my eyes less than any other phone out there at the moment.
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I FULLY agree with you ; I also have a iphone 3G 16 GB but is now in the drawer collecting dust. As saying goes, One man's meat is another man poison . No point debating about how good/bad the HD2 and iPhone and any other PDA. It will never end
As far as I am concerned , the HD2 is my choice now vs iPhone
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Yep, I totally agree...and that's just what i've now done
The app titled: "Scriptures (beta)" shows up in my G1's market, but does not in my Nexus' market.
Any ideas what's going on?
Did you do any of the following to your Nexus One:
1. Unlocked bootloader?
2. Enable root?
If so, "Scriptures (Beta)" is a *protected* Android application and will not show up.
If not, then it's a OS "support" version issue.
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Did you do any of the following to your Nexus One:
1. Unlocked bootloader?
2. Enable root?
If so, "Scriptures (Beta)" is a *protected* Android application and will not show up.
If not, then it's a OS "support" version issue.
Cheers,
Kermee
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My new N1 is not unlocked/rooted, but my old G1 *is*. But it's the G1 that sees the app fine, and the new N1 does not.
Must be an OS support issue.
I downloaded the app directly from the author's website and it works fine.
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My new N1 is not unlocked/rooted, but my old G1 *is*. But it's the G1 that sees the app fine, and the new N1 does not.
Must be an OS support issue.
I downloaded the app directly from the author's website and it works fine.
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Yup. If that's the case, the author needs to fix it and update it on Android Market.
It's annoying for us developers and the damn manifest and API target/limits when "new" stuff comes out... *Sigh*
Anyrate, good deal you got around it!
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application compatibility
Your phone is listed as a 2.1 device in the market, and if the apps don't specify compatibility (they introduced a compatibility layer in 2.0.1) then they won't show up since they won't work anyway (well, they might, but the general assumption is that they won't)
I guess that explains why AppManager Pro isn't showing up for me on my N1. Annoying. I love that app.
This explains why, when people were talking about Nexus One Torch and I decided to see what it was, my G1 couldn't see it. Now I have a Nexus I can (and it's good )
There are some errors I think, because I want Bonsai Blast which I think I remember was demo'd by the Bonsai Blast google developer for either droid or 2.1. I think it was a demo for the new resolution, so I know it can't be that, and I don't think a google Dev would forget to update his extremely popular app.
Let the application owners know!
When the moto droid came out, I emailed a few developers and some even came out with an update the very next day!
syntrix said:
Let the application owners know!
When the moto droid came out, I emailed a few developers and some even came out with an update the very next day!
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can somebody e-mail the developer of Bonsai blast then please? or tell me his/her/their name(s)/email?
If we take the conservative assumption that it must be listed on the Google's own market place before it would work on Nexus, how many applications are available at the moment? Is there good statistics on that yet?
Perhaps most of them would work on Nexus one anyway? Love to hear from people who have tried using the applications written for the older OS version and see if they are generally still compatible. It's hard to imagine how a version upgrade would upset the older applications too much.
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If we take the conservative assumption that it must be listed on the Google's own market place before it would work on Nexus, how many applications are available at the moment? Is there good statistics on that yet?
Perhaps most of them would work on Nexus one anyway? Love to hear from people who have tried using the applications written for the older OS version and see if they are generally still compatible. It's hard to imagine how a version upgrade would upset the older applications too much.
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Really the only set-back is the resolution. All of the hardware has exponentially increased. All of Androids apps are written in java, which is pretty standard and should have no problem running on all android platforms.
The only time it should be disallowed would be if a game were to be written for the N1 specs (which cannot run on the G1), and therefore not shown in the market for the G1.
I suppose developers don't want their games to look too pixelated on the N1 until they update the resolutions. It's a waiting game now, since there are absolutely NO games available unless you want to play solitaire.
Or you could email the devs to death requesting an update...
[rant]Really? Every single update to Google Voice it RESETS ALL SETTINGS???? REALLY?
WTF! [/rant]
Didn't happen to me...did you uninstall before installing?
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App
I don't think it's a programmer issue. Mine works fine after update with all my info still stored..
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I don't think it's a programmer issue. Mine works fine after update with all my info still stored..
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Info is still stored but all preferences are gone (e.g. get stupid text notifications, etc)
Worked fine yesterday ... update last night ... settings reset this morning.
I think a bigger issue would be the lack of Google docs support, and the lack of uploading larger videos over 3G instead of WiFi only.
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I think a bigger issue would be the lack of Google docs support, and the lack of uploading larger videos over 3G instead of WiFi only.
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True. But I am really sick and tired of all these promised "feature" that don't work at all or don't work properly.
nexusdue said:
True. But I am really sick and tired of all these promised "feature" that don't work at all or don't work properly.
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What other features don't work at all?
Multiple calendar sync is broken.
Contact data entry is extremely limited compared to the web ui.
I do like that I've made the switch to Android from winmo, but am missing a lot of features that I used to have. I was basically free to do anything, but feel so limited now to what Google is giving us. Hopefully this is resolved soon and we are able to get full functionality from our nexus one devices.
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I do like that I've made the switch to Android from winmo, but am missing a lot of features that I used to have. I was basically free to do anything, but feel so limited now to what Google is giving us. Hopefully this is resolved soon and we are able to get full functionality from our nexus one devices.
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lol.........................................................................................
google's android has been alive since oct 2008. 2 years.. that's it.
What did you come from? A WM phone? Windows Mobile has been around for 10 years.
p.s. just wikipedia'd android. it says android was initially "Released 9 February 2009" for consumer use
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My wife has a WM phone, and can't do ANYTHING with it, other than basic stuff like call and email, etc.
She wants my Nexus...
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google's android has been alive since oct 2008. 2 years.. that's it.
What did you come from? A WM phone? Windows Mobile has been around for 10 years.
p.s. just wikipedia'd android. it says android was initially "Released 9 February 2009" for consumer use
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Android has been through 6 MAJOR versions ... if they can't fix the basics, maybe they shouldn't be competing in the space.
Or maybe Google should stop that dumbass policy of only releasing BETA software. Others seem to be able to release software that works fine, admittedly with less features. Get the basics right and then add features one by one and make sure they all work before releasing them.
Punch them? You can't even see those ninjas!
Updated to the latest with no issue at all
This thread serves no real purpose other than trolling and possibly leading to flaming. Thread closed.
Hi all!
Last night I was going through web-pages to make myself aware of the differences between the last version of Bluetooth (version 4.0) which was introduced in 2010 and it's successor, version 4.1 which was introduced in end of 2013!!
It brings 3 advantages which you can find in the article too.
Anyways, I ran into this interesting part of the article (link in the end) where it's been told that version jump isn't a hardware related (if you own a version 4.0 phone/tablet and not earlier versions) it's rather a software related jump.
So, I was wondering if anyone can find that kinda software which will do the trick for Note 3 (from Note 4) considering that both run Lollipop now and have same line of processors. :fingers-crossed:
Link-
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/bluetooth-4-1-what-is-it-and-why-should-you-care
Fyki, it's in the "What does Bluetooth 4.1 mean for developers?" section.
Some, not all features of Bluetooth version 4.2 (that's why the title says, Bluetooth 4.1.5) can also be brought via software update to existing 4.0 & 4.1 devices but that'd be asking for too much.. :laugh:
Link-
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/12/new-bluetooth-4-2-spec-brings-ipv6-better-privacy-and-increased-speed/
Hello do you have any software to update Bluetooth from 4 to 4.1?
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vinwin06 said:
Hello do you have any software to update Bluetooth from 4 to 4.1?
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No.. :crying:
I've spent the morning researching the same thing. Funny to find someone post the same question to XDA a year and a half earlier
I've also found out that 4.0 can easily be updated to 4.1 and contacted Magnat, the company that makes my Headphone (LZR 588 BT) - currently waiting for their reply. Doubt they will reply at the weekend, but in case they signal a chance to update their headphones in future, I will post this here, as it is an interesting reference case then.
So far, I have not found ANY evidence whatsoever of OEM's updating their BT equipment from 4.0 to 4.1. I doubt they have an interest in offering this service - BT 4.1 is quite the selling point as it introduces better interference filters (LTE and BT interference) which is quite the concern for many. My own research was motivated by this. My headphones partly have interference issues even when my phone is in my pocket, about 1 - to 1.5 meters away and I am out in the wild in direct sight of a cell tower. Or at home with several BT enabled devices and an LTE antenna not far away...
So, my thought was, if 4.1 can help fix this interference problem, it is a good reason to sell the same product again. Make more money. Why upgrade existing equipment then.
Oh and in case anyone here has the Magnat LZR 588 BT - please do contact them too. you can reach out to them via this email: info [@] magnat.de - be polite and ask for a way to update your headphones to 4.1.... maybe creates some awareness.
[EDIT] Apparently, BOSE does update their headphones, and the FAQ items ("Why do I need to update my headset?") specifically mentions compatibility updates for BT so it can keep working with newer smartphones, which I understand as a complete BT stack update. So, this kinda proves it should technically be possible and any answer from any company like: "Not possible" is a strategic answer, not a technical one.
Sneakyghost said:
I've spent the morning researching the same thing. Funny to find someone post the same question to XDA a year and a half earlier
I've also found out that 4.0 can easily be updated to 4.1 and contacted Magnat, the company that makes my Headphone (LZR 588 BT) - currently waiting for their reply. Doubt they will reply at the weekend, but in case they signal a chance to update their headphones in future, I will post this here, as it is an interesting reference case then.
So far, I have not found ANY evidence whatsoever of OEM's updating their BT equipment from 4.0 to 4.1. I doubt they have an interest in offering this service - BT 4.1 is quite the selling point as it introduces better interference filters (LTE and BT interference) which is quite the concern for many. My own research was motivated by this. My headphones partly have interference issues even when my phone is in my pocket, about 1 - to 1.5 meters away and I am out in the wild in direct sight of a cell tower. Or at home with several BT enabled devices and an LTE antenna not far away...
So, my thought was, if 4.1 can help fix this interference problem, it is a good reason to sell the same product again. Make more money. Why upgrade existing equipment then.
Oh and in case anyone here has the Magnat LZR 588 BT - please do contact them too. you can reach out to them via this email: info [@] magnat.de - be polite and ask for a way to update your headphones to 4.1.... maybe creates some awareness.
[EDIT] Apparently, BOSE does update their headphones, and the FAQ items ("Why do I need to update my headset?") specifically mentions compatibility updates for BT so it can keep working with newer smartphones, which I understand as a complete BT stack update. So, this kinda proves it should technically be possible and any answer from any company like: "Not possible" is a strategic answer, not a technical one.
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Very much the case with My Plantronics Voyager Edge.
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I too-contacted the customer care regarding the same issue & they said, they've forwarded the issue to the related department. I don't know what they're gonna do with the report/request forwarded to them..
I wonder if flashing a rom based on a newer device's rom might also upgrade the phone's Bluetooth version..
Right now I'm using N7 rom for Note3 by Kill-Switch..
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I wonder if flashing a rom based on a newer device's rom might also upgrade the phone's Bluetooth version..
Right now I'm using N7 rom for Note3 by Kill-Switch..
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I found articles discussing the Iphone 6 and 6+ having received an update from BT 4.0 to BT 4.2 (!!) by an iOS update. However, there were no details as to whether this was realized in iOS or in the firmware (radio firmware) part.
I strongly suspect that the update came with the iOS update but was done in the radio firmware, so NOT part of the ROM (iPhones don't differ that much from Android).
So, I would (speculatively) answer that you will NEVER get an updated BT stack by just flashing a newer ROM. It will most definitely be an updated radio firmware and (probably) updated files in the ROM going along the (main) changes in the radio, if there ever will be any such update for any smartphone besides the iPhone 6...
Apart from the iPhone and the Bose headsets, I have found virtually NO example of a BT upgrade. The industry mainly seems to pretend its not possible and with your Plantronics device, well, my guess is, "forwarding to a relevant department" eventually translates to "f*ck off and don't come back" like it usually does.
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I found articles discussing the Iphone 6 and 6+ having received an update from BT 4.0 to BT 4.2 (!!) by an iOS update. However, there were no details as to whether this was realized in iOS or in the firmware (radio firmware) part.
I strongly suspect that the update came with the iOS update but was done in the radio firmware, so NOT part of the ROM (iPhones don't differ that much from Android).
So, I would (speculatively) answer that you will NEVER get an updated BT stack by just flashing a newer ROM. It will most definitely be an updated radio firmware and (probably) updated files in the ROM going along the (main) changes in the radio, if there ever will be any such update for any smartphone besides the iPhone 6...
Apart from the iPhone and the Bose headsets, I have found virtually NO example of a BT upgrade. The industry mainly seems to pretend its not possible and with your Plantronics device, well, my guess is, "forwarding to a relevant department" eventually translates to "f*ck off and don't come back" like it usually does.
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Apple updating 4 year old devices tells that it gives a lot more damn to its costumers than other companies we've mentioned.. In that regard, Apple is better than Google/Samsung
Bose? I've AE2W from them.. Did they update it?
Plantronics.. :laugh:
Sneakyghost said:
I've spent the morning researching the same thing. Funny to find someone post the same question to XDA a year and a half earlier
I've also found out that 4.0 can easily be updated to 4.1 and contacted Magnat, the company that makes my Headphone (LZR 588 BT) - currently waiting for their reply. Doubt they will reply at the weekend, but in case they signal a chance to update their headphones in future, I will post this here, as it is an interesting reference case then.
So far, I have not found ANY evidence whatsoever of OEM's updating their BT equipment from 4.0 to 4.1. I doubt they have an interest in offering this service - BT 4.1 is quite the selling point as it introduces better interference filters (LTE and BT interference) which is quite the concern for many. My own research was motivated by this. My headphones partly have interference issues even when my phone is in my pocket, about 1 - to 1.5 meters away and I am out in the wild in direct sight of a cell tower. Or at home with several BT enabled devices and an LTE antenna not far away...
So, my thought was, if 4.1 can help fix this interference problem, it is a good reason to sell the same product again. Make more money. Why upgrade existing equipment then.
Oh and in case anyone here has the Magnat LZR 588 BT - please do contact them too. you can reach out to them via this email: info [@] magnat.de - be polite and ask for a way to update your headphones to 4.1.... maybe creates some awareness.
[EDIT] Apparently, BOSE does update their headphones, and the FAQ items ("Why do I need to update my headset?") specifically mentions compatibility updates for BT so it can keep working with newer smartphones, which I understand as a complete BT stack update. So, this kinda proves it should technically be possible and any answer from any company like: "Not possible" is a strategic answer, not a technical one.
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Thing about oem updating old devices is that, they don't make as much money as they do selling you a new device with the update included.
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Thing about oem updating old devices is that, they don't make as much money as they do selling you a new device with the update included.
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Yes, I agree.
but that also might mean-losing a customer to a company which does otherwise..
Just saying.. :laugh:
As there are VERRRRRRRRRRY few who do otherwise.
Magnat have replied. No BT upgrade for customers.
No explainer, no apology. Very dry, factual answer. Not, what I'd like to be treated as a customer.
Good luck buddy.
I've been waiting years for someone to figure out how to add the Bluetooth APT-X capability to ROM's without any luck.
See my signature below for a link to the thread which has stumped developers for far too long.
Will my SoundPEATS Q12 work in My HTC Desire 620g
TheTAMAS said:
Yes, I agree.
but that also might mean-losing a customer to a company which does otherwise..
Just saying.. :laugh:
As there are VERRRRRRRRRRY few who do otherwise.
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I'm Having HTC Desire 620g which has Bluetooth 4.0 and recently I've ordered for SoundPEATS Q12 which is Bluetooth 4.1.
and my doubt is.. Will my SoundPEATS Q12 work in My HTC Desire 620g??
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I'm Having HTC Desire 620g which has Bluetooth 4.0 and recently I've ordered for SoundPEATS Q12 which is Bluetooth 4.1.
and my doubt is.. Will my SoundPEATS Q12 work in My HTC Desire 620g??
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It will..