xRom, senseHero, Boston cream ion donuts.. I for one don't know where to start!
We could really use a tutorial for us idiots interested in getting Android on our vogues.
What are the different roms available?
How do they compare?
Is it stable & fully functional?
How does it compare to WinMo?
Thank you to whoever is able to help. My apologies if the answer is already out there, I admit I have not gone through all the threads out there for my answer first.
blackrook said:
xRom, senseHero, Boston cream ion donuts.. I for one don't know where to start!
We could really use a tutorial for us idiots interested in getting Android on our vogues.
What are the different roms available?
How do they compare?
Is it stable & fully functional?
How does it compare to WinMo?
Thank you to whoever is able to help. My apologies if the answer is already out there, I admit I have not gone through all the threads out there for my answer first.
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Go here: http://code.google.com/p/vogue-android/downloads/list
Download basefiles, the "system" file, and the instructions. This will get you started so you can see if you like it. From there, you honestly just have to read the different threads and experiment. enjoy.
These questions aren't extremely easy to answer since there are different possible answers to most (or all) of them. But, since I understand where you're coming from, I'll take a stab at it.
What are the different roms available?
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Honestly, there are a lot. If you go here and click on ROMs, you can see that there are many just in this list, but there are more than just those. Each one listed is a different build. However, there is a general way to tell some things about them. For example, if the name of it contains Cupcake or Donut, it's more stripped-down than some of the others (if you didn't know, Google names its Android builds after pastries). The next one is Eclair, by the way.
How do they compare?
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Trying to seriously answer this question would probably require a rather in-depth answer in itself. However, the ones that aren't stock ROMs will be themed to look differently than the stock ROM.
There is a difference, however, between a themed Donut build and, say, a HERO build.
The HERO builds are themed even more heavily and try to add nicer features. The problem though is that HERO builds tend to be slower. And Sense just refers to HERO (you can see a thread on this forum for a senseHERO build).
I like to use the themed Donut (or Cupcake) builds because they look a bit nicer but still run pretty fast. This one would be an example of what I'm referring to, but there are several others as well.
I used xROM briefly and that may have had some different features (someone may be able to help me here), but I believe they are usually themed builds that look a bit different but do run pretty well.
The best thing I can say though is, you might try to get some idea, but you can only really find out which ones you like best by trying them. The one I linked to is generally the type of build I like to use, but that may be different for you.
Is it stable & fully functional?
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The one-word answer is no. However, this project has come a long way, and most of the features work (I used them when most features didn't work, at least in terms of hardware). As far as I know, bluetooth isn't working on Vogue, assuming that's device you're using. Depending on the build you use, you can probably get all other features working. But if you look at the thread I posted, you can see I've been having trouble with GPS/My Location. That's mainly because Donut, the newest released version, is still in the works and that has caused the feature to stop working even though it worked in the past. I don't think anyone has it working on Donut, but other than Bluetooth and GPS, everything else works.
Stability also depends on your build. The ones I use - the less-themed, quicker ones - have been more stable in my experience. If you use one of those, they'll be pretty stable (but like I said the more themed ones do have some additional features).
How does it compare to WinMo?
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Of all your questions, this one is the most difficult to answer because it's almost impossible to do objectively. Personally, I like Android better than Windows Mobile because:
1. It's significantly faster for me
2. There's more freedom in terms of tweaking it
3. I think it has a MUCH better notification system than WinMo
4. I like the integration with GMail (better than WinMo's Exchange support) and other Google services
5. It has an app market!
These are pretty self explanatory, but I just love the notification system of Android. I was pleasantly surprised to see a weather alert appear in my notification bar after I downloaded the Weather.com app the other day. Everything appears there - including your appointments on your Google Calendar, texts, e-mails - everything. I think it's just great how it's all unified.
Okay, this has been a long post, and it's probably enough to take in. If you have any more questions, just ask!
How do i get the Rom on my phone, I have no idea where to start.
Yes that definitely answered my question(s) pretty thoroughly.. I'll give it a try from the instructions text file I found on a forum.. doesn't look as easy, but easy is sometimes no fun.
Thank you!
lilbeavie said:
How do i get the Rom on my phone, I have no idea where to start.
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Do what weezyfeezy said.
Pandemic187 said:
These questions aren't extremely easy to answer since there are different possible answers to most (or all) of them. But, since I understand where you're coming from, I'll take a stab at it.
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EXCELLENT post Pandemic187. I am sure your reply to this thread helped a lot of people! Very well thought out and direct. Us vets that have tested just about every build could probably be quite long-winded when giving instruction and opinions
Kudos bro.
I have to echo my thanks here also. With whatever changes that may be needed, this should be a sticky. The development on this project has been so fast and furious,that I think some of the Dev gurus on here lose sight that there are many newbies, who have android lust Ideally I would like to see some fairly stable packages, all in one types, that are newbie friendly. Or maybe a bi-monthly set of packages so the development would be easier to follow.
Just a suggestion.
This thread has gone a long way in my book in making it easier.
Yeah, I'm usually keen on reading forums, but android's been relatively over my head recently.. that combined with December's exams, reports, and Christmas shopping, it's hard to keep up with the latest and greatest.
Related
...sorry, yes - this is not a direct port for HD2s...
HOWEVER!
Quite a few of the major stable and popular ports that we DO use (to include shu8i's) use CyanogenMod as their base.
Which means: a) we (depending on the RL schedules of our fine cooks) should be getting even better builds soon, and b) we are *that* much closer to getting a permanent build for our trusty HD2s.
Huzzah!
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In case you all didn't already know (and if this is already posted elsewhere/belongs elsewhere [I couldn't find it], please delete/move this thread):
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/home/cyanogenmod-6-0#comments
"CyanogenMod-6.0 is hitting the mirrors right now! This is our first stable release based on Android 2.2, and we’ve hit our target list of devices. I’m completely amazed at what this project has become and the community that has developed around it, and it’s only just getting started."
and how does this help us with android development on the HD2?
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In case you all didn't already know (and if this is already posted elsewhere/belongs elsewhere [I couldn't find it], please delete/move this thread):
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/home/cyanogenmod-6-0#comments
"CyanogenMod-6.0 is hitting the mirrors right now! This is our first stable release based on Android 2.2, and we’ve hit our target list of devices. I’m completely amazed at what this project has become and the community that has developed around it, and it’s only just getting started."
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Is it compatible with HTC HD2...sorry not able to find the compatible devices list as mentioned by you...pls provide the link for the same.
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and how does this help us with android development on the HD2?
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shubCRAFT is based on Cyanogenmod
****!!! Got all excited for an HD2 release. Where is Zego when when we need him, dudes been hiding under a rock for weeks. Probably got pissed shu8i took his rom, skinned it, and released it. Been waiting for a CM release, but without that nasty skin on the shubcraft.
You know, I thought I would hate the skin on shubcraft, but I'm using it with original fonts and I quite like it now. But I'm pretty much fine with using stock android, sense or this one. Guess I'm not picky haha.
All apologies...
*doublepost* Sorry!
Wow this is hd2 thread why would you post it here then
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Wow this is hd2 thread why would you post it here then
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It's news related to shubcraft, I'm glad it was posted here. I wouldn't have found out about it otherwise. Being negative won't make the thread go away, so be positive or let the thread go. By posting you're just bumping it up which if you think the thread is pointless, is pointless itself.
Thanks OP
That sounds like good news since I enjoy the shubcraft builds. Can't wait to see his new one with this version.
FesterSilently said:
...sorry, yes - this is not a direct port for HD2s...
HOWEVER!
Quite a few of the major stable and popular ports that we DO use (to include shu8i's) use CyanogenMod as their base.
Which means: a) we (depending on the RL schedules of our fine cooks) should be getting even better builds soon, and b) we are *that* much closer to getting a permanent build for our trusty HD2s.
Huzzah!
~~~
In case you all didn't already know (and if this is already posted elsewhere/belongs elsewhere [I couldn't find it], please delete/move this thread):
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/home/cyanogenmod-6-0#comments
"CyanogenMod-6.0 is hitting the mirrors right now! This is our first stable release based on Android 2.2, and we’ve hit our target list of devices. I’m completely amazed at what this project has become and the community that has developed around it, and it’s only just getting started."
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Can I ask why are you posting these things here if they are not meant to be for HD2, Please don't make this room very heavy as new people find very hard to find the rights things when they are mixed with the junk like this. just post things relevant to hd2 here
I like shubCRAFT too, hope to see the progress very soon.
Thanks for great work.
Please Mod rename the topic
I've been able to test the newly released CM6 (by building a ROM for the HD2) and I can say its pretty slick...
I build these for my personal use (themed and all) but if there are enough of you who want it I could release just for you...
The potential release will be be custom themed with the possibility to "stockify" it for those who may not like the theme.
pongster said:
I've been able to test the newly released CM6 (by building a ROM for the HD2) and I can say its pretty slick...
I build these for my personal use (themed and all) but if there are enough of you who want it I could release just for you...
The potential release will be be custom themed with the possibility to "stockify" it for those who may not like the theme.
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Yes please I would appreciate this so much!
pongster said:
I've been able to test the newly released CM6 (by building a ROM for the HD2) and I can say its pretty slick...
I build these for my personal use (themed and all) but if there are enough of you who want it I could release just for you...
The potential release will be be custom themed with the possibility to "stockify" it for those who may not like the theme.
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That would be great.
pongster said:
I've been able to test the newly released CM6 (by building a ROM for the HD2) and I can say its pretty slick...
I build these for my personal use (themed and all) but if there are enough of you who want it I could release just for you...
The potential release will be be custom themed with the possibility to "stockify" it for those who may not like the theme.
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yes...of course we want it...Please...If can PM me...and give me the link...Thanks a lot
YEAH
sounds great, i'd like to test it.
greets.
poweroutlet said:
You know, I thought I would hate the skin on shubcraft, but I'm using it with original fonts and I quite like it now. But I'm pretty much fine with using stock android, sense or this one. Guess I'm not picky haha.
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I like shubcraft skin and the performance all the way! only that the most importnat feature for me, the bluetooth headset, still not working properly, it hangs when talk with bluetooth...........
pongster said:
I've been able to test the newly released CM6 (by building a ROM for the HD2) and I can say its pretty slick...
I build these for my personal use (themed and all) but if there are enough of you who want it I could release just for you...
The potential release will be be custom themed with the possibility to "stockify" it for those who may not like the theme.
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Would be very grateful to you if you can release it..!!!
Thank you..!!!
why in the hell do we need so many builds?
theres now a dozen pages full of different kinds of builds and they all share same issues, just different interface.
i ve stopped updating my build since theres no point, i tried 4-5 dfferent ones and theres really not much change thats worth upgrading every week.
can we leave the builds to people that actually know what they re doing?
instead of turning this into another competition who can produce more builds per week/hour...
its becoming like the winmo section where its jut too much **** and most of people dont know whats goind on anymore...
its FLOODED with garbage. and builds that dont really bring anything new just people wanting to be COOL on the internetz.
i dont mean the developers or builders that actually produce some results, i mean the rest that are just repackaging builds as their own and adding some fkd up themes to it. of course someone will like the theme but you are not contributing to the development of the android platform you just clogging up the pipes with junk...
Wow...
I just say thank you for the ones that work for me and don't use the ones that don't.
Its not like all these people do this for free or anything.
Again wow...
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Have to disagree with you. I came from the slide which had very little to choose from. It is a nice change to have a choice. If themes are your thing then you have a choice..if not then you can have abare bones build. If sense is for you then do it. If not therm load a nexus or CM build. I know you think some o of the themed build are garbage but I can tell you HTCClay releases themed builds that add functionality and are more stable then the original releases. Trust me that it is better to have a choice then have very little to choose from. Just my 2 cents.
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good luck trying to find ones that work.
i havent checked this page for a week or so and i come back here i dont know wtf is going on theres so many damn builds already and most of them share same issues. do we really need all that ?
i know theres people that actually have some progress here and a big thank you to them.
ut there are others that are just cluttering up the board with their repackaged builds without any improvements whatsoever..
u know theres such thing as too much choice.
eithr extremes is not too helpfull.
I agree with the OP. There really shouldn't be pages filled with them..
Well, I disagree. There is nothing like having too much choice. If you want a quick fix, just pick a random build and stick with it. Leave the other builds for us people who have the patience and time to check out all the various builds.
just be grateful at what there is.. and stop *****ing it aint do u good lol
Two words, yes.
what op said is so truE! i was thinking the same thing since the last 10 days ! i think we need perfection not variety ....we need stability not eye candy ....
coolbeer1990 said:
what op said is so truE! i was thinking the same thing since the last 10 days ! i think we need perfection not variety ....we need stability not eye candy ....
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Stop bumping this thread...LOL...NO ONE POINTING A M-16 at you and force you must try all the build,just find the one that suit you most...
More builds means more creativity, more creativity means more stability...
There is no perfect build out there until now...
Furthermore, by reading through every build's thread...Those chefs are learning from each other...for example, darkstone video tweak has been used in many builds now...
Give a chance for new cooker to learn...
Cheers...
^^^ Thanks to you, I found this thread
Yeah more creativity, new breed build EVO sense with Sprint craps in it.
it IS always good to have variety that stays in lead with the variety of tastes on here,however, i do see his point too.it WOULD be nice to have a totally stable build first and THEN theme em up or make different builds from that. ..besides, all these builds have turned me into a test junky. i'm currently seeking counseling.lol
Why are you even complaining?
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I don't know about the others, but my HD2 is picky.
I need the variety, more possibilities to find a working one.
Some builds are horrible on my phone, mainly the most popular.
No GPS on HyperDroid (My favorite build)
No MMS on 95% of builds.
So yeah, I've spent countless hours going through Radios, WM ROMs and Android builds to find the next best thing for my phone.
Now I've only got an inconvenience of my screen's back light going dull after unlocking about once a day.
And if there wasn't such a variety of builds, even new ones with only the smallest of changes, I wouldn't have a workable build right now.
So it's a mild inconvenience for you to shift through the 2 or 3 pages to find the build you like, don't be bothered by it.
It helps in the big picture.
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I don't know about the others, but my HD2 is picky.
I need the variety, more possibilities to find a working one.
Some builds are horrible on my phone, mainly the most popular.
No GPS on HyperDroid (My favorite build)
No MMS on 95% of builds.
So yeah, I've spent countless hours going through Radios, WM ROMs and Android builds to find the next best thing for my phone.
Now I've only got an inconvenience of my screen's back light going dull after unlocking about once a day.And if there wasn't such a variety of builds, even new ones with only the smallest of changes, I wouldn't have a workable build right now.
So it's a mild inconvenience for you to shift through the 2 or 3 pages to find the build you like, don't be bothered by it.
It helps in the big picture.
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r u seriously complaining? like reallllly....... r u like realllly like complaining? like really tho. foreals?
gtfohere. go live in a communist country where there is no variety.
There are some builds stand out of the group, because they used their own kernel, the rest is, well, same girl with different dress,...Victoria Secret,...Frederick's of Hollywood, get you excited at first, then... you know.
If you tried almost every build out there, you would realize, it just the same girl with different dress, that's all.
well someone had to say it. And I agree with the OP
First off, I appreciate every chef's work on the Android development on the HD2. After all none of this would be possible without these gentleman.
However after reading through HUNDREDS of pages in various build threads I notice each build has a set of bugs or non-working parts. Sometime shared but often unique to its own build. Often time I think if build A was combined wih build B then everything would be excellent.
I wish these chefs could team up and make one stable build with everything working rather that the situation we have now.. but unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon so it might be time for me to jump ship and sell my HD2 at a lost and purchase a factory Android device.
I can honestly say this is the most hater thread I have seen so far. How can you complain about having a choice??? No one is forcing ANY of you to try every build, so if anything you should take a pen and write these complaints on your own forehead because you are to blame for any new builds YOU choose to apply or not apply. As for me, I like the look of others more than others, the stability of some over others, I have even found some where certain things from the market show up that does not show up on other builds.
ok so we are all aware of all the various android builds out there for different phones. some with sense, some stock. all the chefs have their own basic formula for the perfect rom when they try to cook them for us. now most builds we apply to our phones are mod's of builds for other phones. After working with so many builds and liking certain features of each, but only available to each, i found myself asking the following question.
Companies like htc, etc. are assigned to build a certain phone with a certain android build with certain features activated/deactivated (ex. some builds have tethering, but tmobile said to cut tethering option out of g2. or some builds have a 2g/3g on off option where as others don't) this must mean that there is a general android build they start with that has all features and they just decide to keep/omit things they want or things carriers don't want. (or add some version of sense ui to it or touchwiz). My question is, is there a general ultimate android build that is available that has every feature there? i'm not a developer so i've never cooked a rom, but it would be awesome to have one build with everything and a simple way for users to decide which options they want or to omit. i know it sounds simple in theory and will never be that easy. but it would be awesome to have one general build with all options and can choose which ones i want to use or not to use vs. a developer selecting them for me.
this is a major problem with many winmo builds i've worked with compared to android builds, but its still something that bugs me when i try a rom and say damn i wish there was a 2g/3g on off in the network options vs having to dig for gsm/wcdma options. like i said in theory it sound easy and i'm sure its not, thats why i give all the chefs credit. but just throwing it out there in case something were to exist like that. thanks
I think I understand what you mean.
I've played with the Android SDK and the BASE 2.2 (what we know as Froyo) has all you mention (tethering etc), but looks kinda bland, this may be that I'm now so used to Sense and it's niceties that anything less than Sense to me just looks wrong.
If you want to see Android as Google intended for us all to use just download the SDK and start a 2.2 session with no modifications and you'll see the differences that carriers and the cooks here do, it's amazing work.
Also, almost all cooks here in XDA will try and give you access to everything the phone itself can do, that's part of the fun of running a rooted OS.
thanks for the tip about trying out the sdk Reno, i'm gonna check it out this weekend. Don't get me wrong, i love all the fun of flashing and its an addiction since 2007 on my HTC 8525/G1/HD2 lol. and i give mad props to all the chefs, god knows if i started messing with code, my phone would be a brick an hour later lol. Android chefs are really good and don't tweak much like winmo chefs do at times which i like. so many builds for winmo you'll find are scraped down to bare minimum because the chefs wanted a bare rom that gave u the "most space and fastest speed" which all went to hell once u install crap you want on it anyway, but half of the features and options have been deleted! thank God android chefs are good with keeping things there.
woohoo sdk fun friday night! will i become a chef? do chefs need to wear the silly hat?
I'll be perfectly blunt you'll need more than just the SDK to get a build made. I only downloaded it out of pure curiosity. You'll hopefully see in the attachments exactly what default Froyo looks like and realise even more what a godsend these guys here are.
I would honestly love to make my own build (more for my own fun and use than for general consumption) but I realise after many hours of reading and research that it's ridiculously hard work and these guys deserve every penny we can afford to donate for their toil.
Going back to the original point though: I think to create one overarching build that upon install you could pick: stock/sense/launcherpro or whatever other flavour there is available out there would actually be impossible. The look of the build is so deeply embedded in the build itself and requires so many different parts of the operating system itself to be changed you would need several copies of each file with the different variations for each look/style you'd end up with HUGE download sizes and it would be more difficult to keep up with when there is an update.
As things stand now, I know I could never drop my Sense builds, I love hastarins kernel tree, and I have my favourite small group of cooks that I follow, and that helps me limit what builds I download and test. Having a couple of small spare memory cards helps and only cost me £20 or so to give me that choice.
Reno i feel that you are correct. i couldn't resist and went to download the SDK after replying to your post. its still downloading a bunch of things and as i read the android developer page i'm enticed to hit the cancel button! I think i'll just go back to picturing the chefs as the magicians and let them entertain, instead of being the guy who tries to figure out all the tricks lol.
I have been on XDA since I bought my fist G-1 way back in the fall of 08. Cyanogen was a budding star, and Android was thought of as the "IPHONE killer". I have seen many developments since my first incursion into these forums. With that said, I would like to KNOW why someone cant come up with a ROM on the evo that could be based on Android, yet be completely skinned to give a more exciting experience. The thing is most ROMS are built on many others DEV's works, but nothing but theming is added to make them look different from each other. Yes, I know that there are a lot of under the hood changes going on to make their Roms faster, but nothing to make any Rom look different. I see some launchers out there that are awesome, but why cant someone come up with something that will really show off "Something different"
Before you go on about me and that you don't like what I am saying, point me to SOMETHING ANDROID, really different and don't attack me or this thread. I appreciate all of the hard work put into changing the Roms into your own, I have flashed most of the Roms built for the Evo and earlier Android devices. What I want is something that looks and act different, built on Android. I am hoping that I have just missed a posting, or some cool thread that someone has left. I strongly dislike IPHONE and its simple stupid approach, so please don't bring that platform into this discussion. Waiting to see!
Try MIUI. Its in the Development section.
You can also take a swing at compiling a ROM yourself, I've been considering it given the tools are free.
MIUI in its native form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or-9T44Bt7M
mr.bill said:
With that said, I would like to KNOW why someone cant come up with a ROM on the evo that could be based on Android, yet be completely skinned to give a more exciting experience.
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Go ahead.
Great thing about Android...you don't like it...you can change it...for free!
It's easy to criticize.
Little harder to actually do.
mattykinsx said:
Go ahead.
Great thing about Android...you don't like it...you can change it...for free!
It's easily to criticize.
Little harder to actually do.
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Your right, about asking me to go ahead, all the tools are there. I think what I will use this discussion for, is compling info for doing just that. I am not KNOCKING anyone elses work.....
Noiro said:
Try MIUI. Its in the Development section.
You can also take a swing at compiling a ROM yourself, I've been considering it given the tools are free.
MIUI in its native form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or-9T44Bt7M
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Exactly the kind of answer I am looking for, thanks for taking the time to reply.....
I just started using MIUI yesterday and it is an eye opening experience. So many nice features that are built right in. If you haven't tried it... give it a go.
Besides roms like MIUI and MYMs warm 2.2, dev's leave the theming to you! You can load the rom you would like and then find a theme that fits you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870944&highlight=liquid+rush
this is a port from the acer liquid metal, i think you will find it interesting/different.
Is there a dev working on a ROM like MIUI that completely changes the UI? I do agree with the OP because all the ROM are pretty much the same except for the color theme.
I think we will have to wait until SPB drops their software for customizing.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870944&highlight=liquid+rush
this is a port from the acer liquid metal, i think you will find it interesting/different.
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Agreed, this is something completely different than what you're used to.
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+1 for MIUI. Been running it since the beginning of November and I must say it's pretty awesome.
I totally agree. I have seen many roms for the evo, but many of them look very similar to each other. I'm glad this topic is being discussed in a rational matter. I hope new ideas will come from it.
I remember seeing a few articles about a mobile OS on engadget a few times before it was announced that it was killed off. It was minimalistic to its roots. The video demo I saw of it activated the menu when you slid your right thumb(right-handed demo i guess) and a arched menu would pop up. You would be able to dig deeper by going through the brances of the arcs. I for the name of it but the name "Elise" or something like it comes to mind.
If anything is lacking it's kernels for the Evo.
We have like one choice for sense based and like two for AOSP based.
The Epic has more choices... [and that's saying something]
MIUI, Liquid rush, and to be honest there are some nice sense roms out there. i like sense , also if the new launchers that are being created come out, that can give you a new look as well. There is probably a significant amount of changes, however with this being aftermarket and not supported by OEM's and sprint i think that kind of limits your choices
You might like myn's warm two point two, it still retains the sense features from htc but has a totally different look and feel to it. Also checkout virus rom, those are pretty nice. A lot of people here are into switching roms each week to keep things interesting.
The two big ones that are not sense based are miui and cyanogen. I think the reason they take so long to make and that there is so few is the complexity of starting from scratch. At least I think, but I'm not a programmer.
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If anything is lacking it's kernels for the Evo.
We have like one choice for sense based and like two for AOSP based.
The Epic has more choices... [and that's saying something]
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Thats because the mods keep on banning our best kernel makers.
Hero_over and Kingslik(sp?) both made the best kernels during their time on XDA/Evo.
King was a hack, hero was a beast
jerryparid said:
Thats because the mods keep on banning our best kernel makers.
Hero_over and Kingslik(sp?) both made the best kernels during their time on XDA/Evo.
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jerryparid said:
Thats because the mods keep on banning our best kernel makers.
Hero_over and Kingslik(sp?) both made the best kernels during their time on XDA/Evo.
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I know. I'm just making an observation on the current reality
I can't really disagree with you but I think the reason why lots of the ROMs look alike is Sense. That said, I've been on MIUI since it came out. While others will scream that it's just copying iPhone, maybe it is but the ROM still retains all the benefits of android underneath.
Also, if it's just the launcher, I've tried out the Go Launcher and liked it the best. Again, it's not the same-old same-old.
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Is there a dev working on a ROM like MIUI that completely changes the UI? I do agree with the OP because all the ROM are pretty much the same except for the color theme.
I think we will have to wait until SPB drops their software for customizing.
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I agree with you on SPB, it's a wait and see, I tried to be a bete tester for them, but I didnt get accepted. I have used it on my winmo devices in the past. Not sure what kind of experience though maybe just a nice launcher. I have to admit though I haven't tried MIUI, I do believe I will flash it later tonight.
Aaaah I hear you say, another one, it's about time, welcome to the dark side, etc etc... Yeah yeah I know, it's about time I went from WM6.5 to Android.
Reasons why I stayed with Windows ? I liked the sync between MsOutlook and my device using USB and NOT "the cloud". Sadly the new versions of Windows (7 and 8) don't allow this anymore so I reluctantly joined "the cloud" (Google Apps for Education, it's free).
Now, I am ready to switch to Android, but, ... which version ? which ROM ? how does it install ? straightfoward ?
Can anyone recommend a good ROM that :
- contains HTC Sense
- is fast
- is easy to install (go easy guys, I work, live and breathe Msoft, it's my job, yeah I know, but it pays the bills)
- is in English
- is up-to-date
- is free
Thanks very much.
PS : I'd rather keep my history (SMS mostly) as they contain a lot of info, so far I've used PPCPimBackup, does that work cross-platform ?
Boags.
if you still want to keep WM you can boot Android within it, there are many tutorials around here, also be careful if your using a tmobile verions a wrong radio culd brick your phone.
here's one that you could try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1986437
or check out the links below if you want to even multi boot your phone
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if you still want to keep WM you can boot Android within it, there are many tutorials around here, also be careful if your using a tmobile verions a wrong radio culd brick your phone.
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Thanks, I'm happy just formatting WM6, no dual boot.
It's not a Tmobile it was bought without a plan or anything so I'm pretty free in that regard.
Any suggestion for a "clean install" ROM ?
I'm pretty sure nobody's thinking 'it's about time, welcome to the dark side' but more along the lines of 'oh FFS, another thread asking about the best ROM and how to install it'. If you'd have searched, you'd have found a few hundred threads exactly like this, and multiple guides on installing Android.
Anyway, try the guide in my sig for an easy installation process (also read the new user guide too). Nobody can tell you the best ROM (that's entirely subjective) or a 'fast' Sense based ROM (well at least not in my opinion).
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- contains HTC Sense
- is fast
PS : I'd rather keep my history (SMS mostly) as they contain a lot of info, so far I've used PPCPimBackup, does that work cross-platform ?
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AFAIK Sense is a bit slow in Android on the HD2, and other options are better, try them and judge for yourself.
As for SMS, this is what I used when I made the switch long time ago, and it worked smoothly.
http://android.riteshsahu.com/tips/importexportmove-sms-messages-from-windows-mobile-to-android
Good luck
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I'm pretty sure nobody's thinking 'it's about time, welcome to the dark side' but more along the lines of 'oh FFS, another thread asking about the best ROM and how to install it'. If you'd have searched, you'd have found a few hundred threads exactly like this, and multiple guides on installing Android.
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Right, no need to be rude, I'm sure you've never asked a previously answered question in your life...
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Anyway, try the guide in my sig for an easy installation process (also read the new user guide too). Nobody can tell you the best ROM (that's entirely subjective) or a 'fast' Sense based ROM (well at least not in my opinion).
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Thanks, I'll read all that material.
AthenaLod said:
AFAIK Sense is a bit slow in Android on the HD2, and other options are better, try them and judge for yourself.
As for SMS, this is what I used when I made the switch long time ago, and it worked smoothly.
http://android.riteshsahu.com/tips/importexportmove-sms-messages-from-windows-mobile-to-android
Good luck
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Aah, thanks for that constructive input, I thought Sense was HTC's best stuff, I'll try your ROM and let you know.:good:
Boags.
If you want a rom you can customize visually, try MIUI. It has a tons of themes so you won't get bored easily, it even has an HTC sense theme. If not try one of the CM builds. Gingerbread roms are more stable but if you want the newer android features like Google Now and some new apps do require ICS+ go for one of the ICS or Jellybean builds. If i were you i'd just try a few roms before completely settling on one and installing all your data etc.
OKay thank you both for your help. I managed to install "Nexus JellyBean" on my HD2... It wasn't as straightforward as I'd hope (there are a lot of prerequisites to Android, it's not just next-next-next you're done but anyways).
So yeah it runs, everything works, but there's a bit "but". It's slow as hell. And I mean sluggishly slow. I've only connected to Gmail, Hotmail and Facebook. Nothing else. No GPS, no WiFi, nothing.
A test : on the main screen, open Gmail. Wait for four seconds for the emails to be displayed. Close Gmail (there is no "close" application in fact, once it's opened, it stays as an open process and runs in the background). Open "Internet" and wait for ten seconds for google.com to be opened (either on Wifi or on 3G). Go back to the main screen takes forever again, then open Gmail again, wait for another five seconds, etc etc etc.
Seriously, it's bloody awful.
So, maybe it's because the HD2 wasn't meant to run on Android and I'd be better off with WM65, or maybe this build of Android isn't the fastest I can find, but then, can anyone tell me what build I should be running ? There seems to be so freaking many available it's no wonder "noobs" like me ask silly questions "which is best"..
I just booted the HD2, went to Settings/Apps/RAM : 235used and 174free... And I haven't even started using any apps...
So far then, not convinced...
I won't get into the details bec theres already tons of threads about it but
Have you flashed a new radio that unlocks the HD2 ram to 512mb?
As I said, Gingerbread roms are the most stable and fastest so I suggest you go for one of them. ICS & Jelly roms aren't 100% there yet.
I'd suggest installing on nand with data on EXT partition if your SD card isn't that fast.
Txs, i don't know, I thought I had it flashed under WM65 :
NexusHD2
Android 4.1.2
Baseband 15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14
Kernel 2.6.32.tytung_jellybean_r1
CPU ARMv7
Mem 410mb
Cyanogen 10.0.0-leo
Build date 07/12/2012
Build nr JZ054K (NexusHD2-JellyBean v1.3a) [DataOnExt]
None of these mean much to me, I'm still learning
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I won't get into the details bec theres already tons of threads about it but
Have you flashed a new radio that unlocks the HD2 ram to 512mb?
As I said, Gingerbread roms are the most stable and fastest so I suggest you go for one of them. ICS & Jelly roms aren't 100% there yet.
I'd suggest installing on nand with data on EXT partition if your SD card isn't that fast.
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1. He must have a .50 radio if he's successfully running NAND Android.
2. It unlocks 576MB of RAM, not 512.
@OP, Either go for GB or basically learn to live with it if you want the latest and greatest Android version. GB will be faster and more stable for daily use BUT won't have HWA so you won't have anywhere near as smooth an experience in web browsing and gaming. For your own sake don't go for a Sense ROM, they're just as 'slow' as JB or ICS. MIUI and CM7 are both great, I personally prefer CM but it's really down to your preference. Try them both then make a decision. CM has less eye candy and is far less iOS like but both are fast.
Okay thanks, slowly learning the "language"
Currently dowloading "Gingerbread" (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060) and wiping "JellyBean"... (the guy who finds these names should get a job at the place where they name tropical cyclones:laugh
Keep you posted.
If you need any help with 'learning the language' check the guide in my sig which says 'A guide to all of the terms for the HD2'. It makes things pretty simple, and definitely helped me quite a lot the first time round.
So I "downgraded" from Jellybean to Gingerbread and though it's not superfast it's a lot better.
How can I tell my radio is the version that "unleashes" the max RAM ? I recall it was the latest available on WM65...
Any "tweaks" to make it faster ? A few apps often hang for a couple of seconds before they're available...
Still, it's a pretty cool platform I must agree, a shame Msoft never could be as good. Haven't seen the new WM though...
Thanks for all your help, and have a great 2013 !:good:
Don't worry, you definitely have a compatible radio version. The guy who posted about the RAM thing earlier was basically just spamming for 10 posts.
Not to confuse you, but if you want speed, stability and functionality and don't use many apps then Windows Phone may actually be the way to go. There are obviously some apps which simply aren't available on Windows Phone yet including huge ones like Instagram and (I think) Temple Run but the OS is really wonderful to use and beats Android in terms of fluidity.
Anyway, congrats on flashing and sorry about the rudeness of my first post in this thread
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Don't worry, you definitely have a compatible radio version. The guy who posted about the RAM thing earlier was basically just spamming for 10 posts.
Not to confuse you, but if you want speed, stability and functionality and don't use many apps then Windows Phone may actually be the way to go. There are obviously some apps which simply aren't available on Windows Phone yet including huge ones like Instagram and (I think) Temple Run but the OS is really wonderful to use and beats Android in terms of fluidity.
Anyway, congrats on flashing and sorry about the rudeness of my first post in this thread
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Sweet, so this is as best as it will ever get I suppose. Not a LOT slower than WM65 in reality, just a tad. Loads more potential tho, with the widgets and apps and stuff out there. I'll keep it simple anyways.
Still, you're probably the only person who, though a true Linux-Android fan, has publicly admitted Microsoft does it better, well in some occasions anyways : speed and stability is what most "professional" crowd need (a smartphone that does push-email, sync their contacts database and calendar with whatever server they're using, with the occasional websurfing, facebooking, tweeting or linkedin-ing).
Having worked with Msoft for over 15 years now, I had to try Android to at least understand what the fuss was all about, well I've seen it. I'll keep it for now, but I'm not convinced I won't switch back to WM one day.
I tried NeXTstep and BeOS once, loved them both as they were way ahead of their times, but sadly they could never been used as a professional tool. I think I can say the same for Android...
PS @Nigeldg, don't sweat it bro. No offence taken.
Yeah I think people often make the mistake of assuming that all fans of one thing simply hate the alternative, which often isn't true. Different things suit different people, I'd definitely recommend an iOS or Windows Phone to my Mum for example over an Android phone because they're more simple. I can only really respect someone's opinion when they know that there are always arguments for and against a certain point, if they don't then there's really very little valid input they can make in any discussion.
Also, I don't think you should really judge Android by your experience with the HD2, that would be like making a decision between a PS3 and an Xbox based on having played Viva Pinata on the Xbox and Killzone on the PS3. Android is a very nice OS and you really need the hardware to appreciate it. Having used Android on a GNex and a Nexus 4 (which I'm still waiting to order ) I can safely say it's now as smooth as iOS and Windows Phone if you get a decent phone.
Hi,
why don't you use WM6.x and Android on the same phone (via dualboot/tripleboot/...)? You can use the advantages of both OS and only need to wait 1 min. to boot the other one... see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33988958
I use different Android-Versions, because no version can all I need... and I use WM, because I have some great payed apps... it's great...
Cheers Klaus
Sent from my HTC HD2 using xda app-developers app
I don't want dual boot because I'm not looking for one solution, this exercise was just to test if a) I was able to do it, b) Android has what I need.
The answer is yes for the first questions (with help), but the second question has mixed results. Yes it runs, and yes I can do what I was doing on WM, but nothing more. Which leads me to my next question when I do decide to replace the HD2 by a new phone (because I need 4G and because I like new things, don't we all) : will I buy an Android or a Windows-based phone ?
My next challenge would be to test an iPhone