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Hey everyone, some of you know who Haykuro is and some don't. Basically he was one of the original Android modders. He is now looking to get a Nexus One but as he's a college student and he's asking for some help. Obviously this would benefit all of us rooters so if you've got a few bucks to throw down:
http://pledgie.com/campaigns/9021
Haykuro doesn't know I'm posting this, I don't know him personally, just a fan of his previous work with the G1/Magic and want to see his work here also. Hopefully this falls into the "Helping Others" rule and not the "Spam" rule. If so just remove it. But I feel like this forum is a place where he can definitely find a few friends.
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That punk kid was NOT one of the "original modders".
He is not responsible for offering anything of benefit.
He is responsible for initiating a course of action that has led to many many BRICKS.
The community bought a rogers dream for him to "hack" and he ended up selling it and keeping the $$ when finished with it rather than passing it on to someone who could ACTUALLY work on the thing.
Owned. Bad thread is bad. Be gone!
Agreed! He doesnt deserve it. We are good without him. He can go to work and buy his own phone just like all the current devs are doing and then get donations according to the work he provides. Buying a phone so that he can stop by xda for a few days and then be gone and quit. HELL NO!
lbcoder said:
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That punk kid was NOT one of the "original modders".
He is not responsible for offering anything of benefit.
He is responsible for initiating a course of action that has led to many many BRICKS.
The community bought a rogers dream for him to "hack" and he ended up selling it and keeping the $$ when finished with it rather than passing it on to someone who could ACTUALLY work on the thing.
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You've never heard of Haykuro's Danger SPL? That's the entire reason any of us G1 owners were able to install Hero and Eclair ROMs to our phones. I don't know about the criticisms though... Sure his SPL caused people to brick, but it's not like he just dipped out and didn't try to help. Didn't he help try to figure out why people were bricking, which ended up being that people installed their radios afterward?
Am I missing something?
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You've never heard of Haykuro's Danger SPL? That's the entire reason any of us G1 owners were able to install Hero and Eclair ROMs to our phones. I don't know about the criticisms though... Sure his SPL caused people to brick, but it's not like he just dipped out and didn't try to help. Didn't he help try to figure out why people were bricking, which ended up being that people installed their radios afterward?
Am I missing something?
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I haven't been aorund long enough to say if you're right or wrong for sure, but it seems to me that you are correct... that was his course of action. The main reason I would be hesitant to donate to him would be because of his actions involving the Magic the community helped him buy.
Also, I'm not so sure we need to have a "Danger SPL" on the Nexus One just yet. Did he contribute anything else? I don't think so.
On top of all that was said, wtf proves this is even going into his pocket and not yours? Lol.
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I haven't been aorund long enough to say if you're right or wrong for sure, but it seems to me that you are correct... that was his course of action. The main reason I would be hesitant to donate to him would be because of his actions involving the Magic the community helped him buy.
Also, I'm not so sure we need to have a "Danger SPL" on the Nexus One just yet. Did he contribute anything else? I don't think so.
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No one's saying we need a Danger SPL for the N1... I meant to say that he DID contribute something of value, as another poster claimed he didn't. He also was the first to release a Hero ROM for the phone, IIRC.
Again, I'm not taking sides and I have no idea what this episode with the Magic is all about (a PM with a link would be appreciated)... I'm just trying to balance what I personally saw against what I apparently missed...
I was never entirely clear on what the whole debacle was with him in the end, but to all appearances he just up and quit the community in a fit of pique one day. Given that, I'd hesitate to expect any sort of sustained effort from him in return for the donations.
He's a good developer but he has quite the baggage. The N1 community should weigh its options well, and since it seems like we're not looking for anything in particular that any of the devs need his help for, I'd say his time is better spent on something else.
JM2C.
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He's a good developer but he has quite the baggage. The N1 community should weigh its options well, and since it seems like we're not looking for anything in particular that any of the devs need his help for, I'd say his time is better spent on something else.
JM2C.
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Agreed.
The devs we have already seem to be doing the job very well already.
And why can't he just buy his own phone? I'm a student and don't go running for hand-outs every time I want something, I prioritize, save up the money and buy it myself (yes, can be a hard concept for some people)...
IIRC, the reason he left is because he was given a leaked, watermarked version of the Hero ROM, and someone he passed it on to for development reasons cooked a ROM and released it without removing those watermarks, thus getting many people in very big trouble.
As well, IIRC, he felt slighted and burned that most on here didn't seem to care about him getting screwed over, and tried to blame him and make him responsible for the bricks that resulted from the SPL he ported over... even though, as we all should know, a brick is the risk we all take every time we flash.
I don't know about the selling of his device... I haven't heard anything about that. I came to android after he had already moved on from XDA, and what I "know" is based off the tidbits I have picked up over time.
I read this on sprint community forums. I'm hoping one of you brilliant devs can make something of it? I downloaded it, but am horrified to use it, as the last one (that said, "test" on it) really jacked up my phone good.
Just passing on this info:
From Android Central When it rains, it pours. Just got word of a new leak for the HTC Sprint Hero. No way of knowing if this is the final 2.1 version, but this one is signed with release keys so you will lose your root for sure if you're into that sort of thing. Anyone who feels brave and wants to try for themselves you can find it here. Remember, this is not official software from any carrier. Using this is at your own risk, and nobody here at Android Central is suggesting you try it, though we're more than happy to show you where it is. Thanks Beezy420! http://www.4shared.com/file/gfPzbRcS/RUU_Hero_C_Sprint_2276515_R_si.html Haven't tried it myself...But I figured I'd post it..
Edit: Let me apologize if I posted this in the wrong section or if I was NOT supposed to post this kind of info. I just figured a dev would maybe want a crack at it?
couple hours late
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=643
Wooops! I knew I would F up.....sorry guys. Delete this thred. Sorry, I usually dont read the development section =(
So theres this website (you can find the name and or link in mdj's cyanogen mod forum) that is selling a service that you send them your hd2 and they will put the cyanogen mod on your phone.....I called and asked to speak with a supervisor cause I thought it was wrong....its like 99 dollars but when I called he claimed it was 79 dollars....anyway he said hes not doing anything wrong because its open source etc etc. I said your wrong for taking someone elses work and selling it, then he said "im not selling it im just selling a service to rich people to put the mod on there phone"....then we argued some more and he said hes bringing xda a bunch of buisness by selling this service yada yada yada...he also said he has been a member here at xda for years....then I replied oh really then tell me your handle and he refused and then I said you know this is gonna piss people off and he said no it wont blah blah blah and then he had to go, and hung up.....Im probably being overly protective over something thats not mine but I was sure the xda peeps would think it was wrong.....just wanted to vent this to every one.
That was discussed many times before. He does nothing wrong because he is not selling the Rom. He sells the service to install a Rom for people who aren't able to do this or don't want to invest much time in this.
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nothing wrong with this. he could even charge for flashing stockroms. this guy doesnt sell roms, he sells his service
One way or another... Per XDA rules, he is not allowed to post links or advertise this "service" here on XDA.
Please link me to the post where this link is locate.
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One way or another... Per XDA rules, he is not allowed to post links or advertise this "service" here on XDA.
Please link me to the post where this link is locate.
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he didnt post here, he said hes been a member here for years, so im sure he knew he would get booted ....I just came across the link where someone pointed out that they were selling the service to apply that rom to there phone....http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877777&page=216
anyway guess I should not read,, post,, drive ,,post.....guess i just wanted to see peoples opinions to discuss this...thats why I didnt post in the thread where I seen the link...and I posted in the discussion forums.....I am aware hes not doing anything legally wrong...just wanted to post this and discuss... good looking out though!
I understand what the OP is saying, and I feel the same way, however the atheist is correct. Wish it wasn't the case, but, hey what can you do?
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Sick of seeing these ignorant posts now.
These people are NOT selling roms, they are selling their "time" to provide a service of rom installation.
There are some people out there who can not or do not want to go through the steps of installing a rom and would rather pay somebody to do it correctly and safely for them.
This is EXACTLY the same as if you take your car to a mechanic and ask them to fit a new *insert part name here*.
This is also EXACTLY the same as if you had taken your xbox 360 console to a modder and asked them to flash a hacked firmware to your dvd drive. ( I can do this myself but if I couldnt I would want somebody else to do it for me)
This is EXACTLY the same as if you had a virus on your computer and you asked somebody in a repair shop to clean it for you.
( I can do this myself but if I couldnt I would want somebody else to do it for me)
....You get the idea?
Only thing wrong really is the price, too expensive (unless it includes postage).
The guy sounded polite imo. If you had called me (not that I do this service) I would have told you to get ******!
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just my 2 cents.
Maybe be 3 is applicable if and only if the technician is using his own skills and free, open source softs and not pirated ones.
Maybe for item 2 if you will still use games you bought legally.
And totally not applicable for 1. Why? You are the one who bought the part, unless it was stolen.
Yes, it is not illegal, but it shouldn't be abused also.
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I call shananigans with all your dooshbagery son...its past your bedtime..let the adults talk now
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lol, I actually expected a response like that.
Instead of actually addressing my points and challenging them all you could think to do was reply with a childish cliché or trying to act like you are been patronising when its simply that you cant think of anything to say.
You asked for a discussion and you have got one, you have aired your opinion and I have aired mine, If you cant take a opposite opinion of yours then that is your problem and you probably shouldn't create discussion topics.
You are calling yourself an "adult" yet you use the word "dooshbagery", Grow up and talk like and adult if you expect to be seen like one.
Back on topic, The guy is not selling roms, he's selling a service, simple!
@ MODS
Ok mods, changed my mind, close/delete thread if you wish, this guy obviously cant have an adult conversation.
I agree, he's not selling the ROM. He's obviously selling his time. The guy is taking full responsability (at least he should) for whatever happens to the device.
Just don't point this thread to jagpoag. Insulting is the only way of reasoning he knows.
You can build a full mail/web/whatever server you want using Linux. That doesn't mean you cannot charge for installing and configuring it.
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I agree, he's not selling the ROM. He's obviously selling his time. The guy is taking full responsability (at least he should) for whatever happens to the device.
Just don't point this thread to jagpoag. Insulting is the only way of reasoning he knows.
You can build a full mail/web/whatever server you want using Linux. That doesn't mean you cannot charge for installing and configuring it.
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Exactly.
This guy obviously doesn't like it when somebody has a different or better point them him.
Its simple logic really, He would be selling a ROM if he took the money and only supplied teh ROM files, he isn't. Hes taking money and going through flashing/config process instead of the customer having to, he selling a service.
If you dont know how to fix/change something on your car you got to a mechanic (or friend). Yes we may find it easy to learn this stuff (rom flashing) but others will not find it as easy. car repair/change and phone fix/flash same concept.
i guess.. people shouldn't do it.. because the guides r pretty easy that my 12 year old cousin can do it in like 1 hour. And if people don't have that much time and can pay so much just to get android, whatever installed.. I bet they can trash hd2 and buy d OS specific phone.. Just not morally correct even though it's not illegal.. Maybe it can drive the chef of the rom to think about even providing it to the general public in the first place.. just my 2 cents don't get hypered people..
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i guess.. people shouldn't do it.. because the guides r pretty easy that my 12 year old cousin can do it in like 1 hour. And if people don't have that much time and can pay so much just to get android, whatever installed.. I bet they can trash hd2 and buy d OS specific phone.. Just not morally correct even though it's not illegal.. Maybe it can drive the chef of the rom to think about even providing it to the general public in the first place.. just my 2 cents don't get hypered people..
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Well you see tahts the point, some people will find it easy and some people will find it either hard or too daunting to try, or simply do not know how or know of xda etc.
Its the same as modding a xbox 360, its a pice of piss to flash its dvd drive but many many people do not know how or want to try so instead choose to pay somebody with more experiece.
lol, Im starting to sound like an agent for this guy
I just cant see how this guy or others are doing anything wrong, unless they overcharge ofcousre but if they was to charge something reasonable like £15 or something then that would be fine imo.
I cant see how you view this is immoral.
Exactly, simple logic. I don't think there's any way to bring down your argument so... don't expect a discussion
Believe me I've read hundreds of pages of people complaining because someone was charging for installing a map, rom, etc. and they just can't make a solid point about it.
Remember the Linux example, it's one of the best I ever heard off. You take free software and charge for your time when installing it. You can even make money installing paid software like Microsoft Exchange, Windows, etc. You're not stealing from M$. You're just offering a service for someone that cannot do it by his own.
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i guess.. people shouldn't do it.. because the guides r pretty easy that my 12 year old cousin can do it in like 1 hour. And if people don't have that much time and can pay so much just to get android, whatever installed.. I bet they can trash hd2 and buy d OS specific phone.. Just not morally correct even though it's not illegal.. Maybe it can drive the chef of the rom to think about even providing it to the general public in the first place.. just my 2 cents don't get hypered people..
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Morally incorrect? Why? You think it's easy because you're used to doing it. You have experience while others don't.
Some people don't have the experience and don't even want to know about it. They just want the job done and that's how they work. It's called to "delegate tasks".
We cannot do everything by ourselves. That's why we study and learn different things in life and we search people to make the work we cannot do by ourselves.
He isn't really selling his work..Useless thread
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Exactly, simple logic. I don't think there's any way to bring down your argument so... don't expect a discussion
Believe me I've read hundreds of pages of people complaining because someone was charging for installing a map, rom, etc. and they just can't make a solid point about it.
Remember the Linux example, it's one of the best I ever heard off. You take free software and charge for your time when installing it. You can even make money installing paid software like Microsoft Exchange, Windows, etc. You're not stealing from M$. You're just offering a service for someone that cannot do it by his own.
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That is a very good and precise point.
I myself know sweet FA about linux, what I do know you could write on a back of a stamp. If I wanted/needed a specific linux setup/configuration I would ask/pay somebody else to do it simply because I wanted it doing correctly without any hassle.
Some people didnt have a good enough education/or simply dont learn easily to be able to comprehend simple logic or concepts like this so like the OP they resort to childish responses like he did. I really did "lol" because after my point earlier I seriously did know that he would answer in that way, I could just tell, its typical of people to resort to that level of maturity when they cant think of a proper answer/challenge.
Thanks for also adding your opinions guys, I was beginning to think I was going crazy
dude.. seriously ya'll think it's right to do it.. and what's the crap about experience.. The chef's can't possibly make it easier.. It's just that some people don't have the mind at times to google it and jump at the sight of android for some $$.. and dude.. if u think it's right i ain't saying it's illegal.. but then why don't u urself do it eh??
I found someone selling NAND android for the hd2 on craigslist..... pisses me off, so much work dev's put into this and people are selling it.... here's the ad: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/mob/2264692873.html
If this is not the correct place to post this, please move it, it is about nand android so I figured it would be okay here.... and in case he removes the ad because I instructed him to do so, here is the ad:
IF YOU HAVE A HTC HD2 THAT IS HAVEING PROBLEMS FREEZING LAGGING OR U JUST DONT LIKE THE WINDOWS 6.5 OS SYSTEM U CAN NOW UPGRADE TO ANDRIOD SENSE GINGERBREAD OR WINDOWS PHONE 7 ALL SYSTEMS RUN GREAT ANDRIOD ROMS COMES PRE ROOTED FREE WIFI HOTSPOT U CAN DOWNLOAD PAID APPS OF YOUR CHOICE. I WILL INSTALL RADIO UPGRADE FOR TMOBILE HSPA + 4G NETWORK. 4G HOTSPOT WORKS GREAT WITH GAME SYSTEMS 360 PS3 ECT UPGRADE ONLY TAKES ABOUT 30 MIN DEPENDING ON WHAT U WANT INSTALLED WILL MEET AT A DESIRED LOCATION THANK U. Call or text FOR MORE INFO EXPERT SERVICES 2 YR + 816-673-8835 anytime
I say any developers not happy about this give him a call!
I talked with him over text messaging and he claims that he does not know what XDA is and never heard of it....If any mods are interested in his personal info, I am going to have the name registered to this line in a few..... so he can be banned from XDA
yea theres a couple of those on craigslist here in the boston area also
And what he says in his ad about 4g..... does the radio upgrade make it 4g capable? if so, I wasn't aware that it did.....
Ya know... as disgusting as it is, he's not doing anything wrong. It's almost like saying that a mechanic charging to fix your car is ridiculous because they didn't even invent the parts, they're just using their technical know-how to fix it.
He's offering a service - to set up your phone with Android. Don't people pay to get Windows installed on their computers? Or Linux even? I mean, if there's a demand for a service, then there will be a supply of people who will charge for said service.
That being said, I hate how people are stupid enough to pay for this service when all the knowledge is out there for free and you'll be better off learning how to do it on your own because you become more knowledgeable and you can fix the phone on your own if there's some kind of software problem.
These kinds of services are rampant in the Los Angeles Area. These guys usually charge $20 a head. Gotta wonder how many people are dumb enough to shell out any amount of money for this kind of service.
I kind of do see a need out there for that kind of service though. Some folks would rather just fork over the $20 than risk screwing up their phone, and how many noob question threads are there from ppl who cant manage to flash a rom without help even after reading the stickies, etc. It kinda makes for less clutter in the forums, and people are glad to hand over a little cash for the garuntee that they get Android quick and easy. 2 things though:
These people should donate a certain amount of their profits to the devs who made their business possible.
And learning by doing makes you smarter. By reading and applying the knowledge gained, you are better preparing yourself for future challenges. There's always going to be a next cool phone, and today's lesson learned makes tomorrows challenge easier. I would never pay someone to make me dumber and lazier, I'm already dumb and lazy enough
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The EBAY is full of those NAND builds. I once bought one to see whatsup and it was MDJ Ginger nand build...
diesburg said:
If this is not the correct place to post this, please move it, it is about nand android so I figured it would be okay here.... and in case he removes the ad because I instructed him to do so, here is the ad:
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Who in the hell are you to instruct someone to remove an ad off of Craigslist. Is it ****ed up, yeah, but you have absolutely zero right to instruct someone to do anything. Some people would rather pay someone rather than take the time to do it themselves. Some people could care less how they get to point B, just that they get there. Other people would rather pay someone to work on their phone so they don't have to deal with the stress of bricking their device. Anytime there is a dollar to be made, people are going to take advantage of the situation. This isn't the first time, and damn sure isn't going to be the last time.
That being said, hopefully, people that are charging to install Android on HD2's are donating a % of their income to the devs. Without them, it wouldn't be possible.
While were instructing people to do things, I'm instructing you to delete his phone number out of your post.
Diesberg,
Get off your horse before you fall off it. XDA and TW are awesome resources for this interest group but not for everyone. I could go on, but will just leave it with "you're wrong on this one".
CHEERS,
ASTRO
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This subject has already been debated to death... some people rather pay to have it done instead of learning themselves. At least these craigslist sellers actually meet and do the flashing for you. To charge someone $20 to meet up with them and do the flashing isn't that unreasonable. What bothers me are the people on ebay selling the instructions for $20. One guy I saw made over $10,000 in less than a week selling instructions to install wp7 for $25 ea... I couldn't believe he sold that many.
It think plenty of right is reserved for someone to instruct him to take the ad down. As said above, a certain % of what he makes should be donated to developers, then it would be okay. But we know damn well that he won't donate anything. So I don't think it's right or should be done unless donations are gave to the developer of whatever software is being used. If you took all the time to make such a good rom such as typhoons cm7, I'm sure you wouldn't like someone selling it on an auction site.... but the ones who say this is okay I don't think are developers so you don't understand..... I'm not a developer but I would not be happy if I saw my rom being used for these services if I were the developer.....
Wow, you still don't get it. They don't sell any roms, they offer a service...
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Wow, I do get it. But I still feel like it shouldn't be done without a percentage going to developers.... at least cotulla.....(and I'm not even a huge fan of his work) it would not be possible for someone to sell such a service without the hard work of developers, at least the bootloader dev's. When someone charges to install windows... well, windows must be purchased first(at least for it to be legal) So microsoft gets their share for their work.... no dev is getting a share for his hard work when someone sells the installation service.... and I feel this is not right...... that is my opinion and I am entitled to it just like you are your opinion.......
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..... I'm not a developer but I would not be happy if I saw my rom being used for these services if I were the developer.....
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That's right, you're not a dev, so why are you tripping? Is Best Buys ripping off Microsoft because they charge someone to install windows? C'mon dude, you cannot be this dense.
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that is my opinion and I am entitled to it just like you are your opinion.......
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You are definitely entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to instruct someone to remove an ad off of Craigslist, or to post some random dudes phone number on a message board.
this is such an old topic!!! I've been seeing this since I got my first windows mobile phone(Tmobile dash) 3 years ago, shoot you can go to ebay and find tons of ads on buying roms and install services with tech support, and all it is someone online or a text file with step by step instructions on how to do it yourself flashing and modding.
Just because we know XDA and we know how things should be done in the mobile hacking world , it doesn't mean everybody does, or everybody cares, I agree the devs deserve a donation or a percentage of anybody making a profit but it's not going to happen, at least from those people!
I did not post some random dudes number to a message board, I copied and pasted the craigslist ad that this thread is about. Yes, the ad contained his number but that is info you can find on the internet anyways. (craigslist.org)
This topic and all the millions of variations of it over the years are absolutely ridiculous.
This is 100% exactly the same as somebody providing a linux installation/setup/configuration service and anybody who says otherwise simply doesn't have any common sense.
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I did not post some random dudes number to a message board, I copied and pasted the craigslist ad that this thread is about. Yes, the ad contained his number but that is info you can find on the internet anyways. (craigslist.org)
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It's F'ing retarded to post his info with the intentions of getting him harassed. Where is the "no thank you" button when you need one?
WorldWide60 said:
It's F'ing retarded to post his info with the intentions of getting him harassed. Where is the "no thank you" button when you need one?
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Goddamn WorldWide60, STFU! This topic may be old and we all have different opinions on the subject but no need to jump down this guys throat on every single one of his post!
I think it's rather shady that he's talking about installing "4g". What the hell is this loony talking about? That's the real issue here.
I guess there are two sides of the story its nice for people who have no knownledge how to do this but love android.
If you don't have the first clue what ADB is or the intellectual curiosity it takes to learn about it you should not root your Xoom and definately should not try to put custom ROMS on it.
This has been a public service announcement.
Have to learn somehow.
If you dont know what adb is, this helps me out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=879701
After you read it and you still havnt a clue what it is stop hacking or read it again and again.
Yes, it seems like there is a new "did I brick?" question each and every day.
Read first, read again, and make sure that you fully undestand the process first. It certainly saves time and frustration later. I am certainly no pro, but I was able to successfully unlock, root, install CWM, upgrade to 3.1, install all of BRD's kernels (now on 1.4.4), and set-up USB tether by reading the excellent information here on XDA.
I bet if more people made one click root methods this wouldn't be a problem...
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I bet if more people made one click root methods this wouldn't be a problem...
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It appears that a fair number of people tried real hard to brick their WiFi Xoom using the 3g section of one-click root.
Well, it took me to completely stuff my Xoom, to get how adb works. Yay!
Is there a way to flash official Moto images if my PC won't recognise my Xoom via the usb cable? I can get into CWR, and even reboot via adb, and that's it.
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To be honest "you have to learn somehow" isn't a good defense, because you can do your research before actually trying and you'll probably avoid a lot of the problems that we see here.
It's not like the only choices are "do it blind"/"don't do it at all".
Some people learn the hard way, I'm a glowing example. Just make sure you read until you get really confused, grab a coffee, and read until it makes sense. If you don't understand what you are trying to do, but you want to give it a go, make sure your your prepared to have the worst happen.
BTW. I finally figured how to restore my system to factory! YAY!!!
Now the fun part of trying it all again....
Learning is great, however blindly trying something that you do not understand can be disastrous. Root, wiping, flashing, etc are all tasks that modify or rework the basic functions of a device. The devs who find these ways to help us do this are simply amazing, but it is NOT for everyone. Too often we see "Help!!!!, or What now???" because people simply see a thread and jump into rooting, and flashing without knowing what they are doing.
I am not an ADB expert, but I do believe that if you take your time and follow the posted instructions to the T, you will be fine. Again, people often report back, myself included that something doesn't work right or it is not doing what it should. After looking back I noticed that I skipped a step or did something out of order because I "thought I knew what I was doing".
I do caution people who are new to the XDA forums and new to Android. I would lurk for a but, gather some knowledge, then try a few things. If you have some issues, PM a member who you see has some good skills or knowledge in the area. This is a forum to help each other and too often it turns into a flame session.
Again, I am no expert I just try to offer some helpful advice.
dubie76 said:
Learning is great, however blindly trying something that you do not understand can be disastrous. Root, wiping, flashing, etc are all tasks that modify or rework the basic functions of a device. The devs who find these ways to help us do this are simply amazing, but it is NOT for everyone. Too often we see "Help!!!!, or What now???" because people simply see a thread and jump into rooting, and flashing without knowing what they are doing.
I am not an ADB expert, but I do believe that if you take your time and follow the posted instructions to the T, you will be fine. Again, people often report back, myself included that something doesn't work right or it is not doing what it should. After looking back I noticed that I skipped a step or did something out of order because I "thought I knew what I was doing".
I do caution people who are new to the XDA forums and new to Android. I would lurk for a but, gather some knowledge, then try a few things. If you have some issues, PM a member who you see has some good skills or knowledge in the area. This is a forum to help each other and too often it turns into a flame session.
Again, I am no expert I just try to offer some helpful advice.
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Well said, don't forget irc zoom channel.
Sent from my Xoom
Thanks for "getting" the spirit of my post. I wasn't trying to be mean at all just saying... there's so many "help me i screwed up my xoom" posts and what concerns me is that too often the advice given around here is "just go root and and load a custom rom". Well that sounds real attractive until you realize that you have no idea what's going on and your Xoom won't turn on. Then your heart sinks and you don't have many places to turn to, fortunately there is this forum but I just hope that people will take more time in the future to understand what it is that they are getting into or at the very least be absolutely willing to set fire to six to eight hundred bucks
there is no such thing as a bricked xoom. Ill prove it. Send me your bricked xoom along with a $100 PayPal unbricking fee. Ill send you back a restored factory state xoom. If Its truly bricked Ill send the xoom back to you and give you back $120 for the trouble. Any takers, contact me.
gnackattack said:
To be honest "you have to learn somehow" isn't a good defense, because you can do your research before actually trying and you'll probably avoid a lot of the problems that we see here.
It's not like the only choices are "do it blind"/"don't do it at all".
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dubie76 said:
Learning is great, however blindly trying something that you do not understand can be disastrous. Root, wiping, flashing, etc are all tasks that modify or rework the basic functions of a device. The devs who find these ways to help us do this are simply amazing, but it is NOT for everyone. Too often we see "Help!!!!, or What now???" because people simply see a thread and jump into rooting, and flashing without knowing what they are doing.
I am not an ADB expert, but I do believe that if you take your time and follow the posted instructions to the T, you will be fine. Again, people often report back, myself included that something doesn't work right or it is not doing what it should. After looking back I noticed that I skipped a step or did something out of order because I "thought I knew what I was doing".
I do caution people who are new to the XDA forums and new to Android. I would lurk for a but, gather some knowledge, then try a few things. If you have some issues, PM a member who you see has some good skills or knowledge in the area. This is a forum to help each other and too often it turns into a flame session.
Again, I am no expert I just try to offer some helpful advice.
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It wasn't really a defense just a "it's what happens" type of thing. Yes people can be smart and read up. But the reality is that most people won't (rather it be because of stubborness or lack of time). Something happens, then you have the "ok i gotta fix this, let me look up..." or "oh noes I brokes it. I'm going to join a forum to whine about it to the people so they can help me. I mean it's their job right?".
Thing is that rooting is most misunderstood to be the equivalent to jailbreaking. Just as jailbreaking is most misunderstood as only being useful for free games and apps. Some people just never want to look into what these type of things really are, because they don't care unless it's the means of getting something for free.
bigrushdog said:
there is no such thing as a bricked xoom. Ill prove it. Send me your bricked xoom along with a $100 PayPal unbricking fee. Ill send you back a restored factory state xoom. If Its truly bricked Ill send the xoom back to you and give you back $120 for the trouble. Any takers, contact me.
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Sounds like some money to be made here
bigrushdog said:
there is no such thing as a bricked xoom. Ill prove it. Send me your bricked xoom along with a $100 PayPal unbricking fee. Ill send you back a restored factory state xoom. If Its truly bricked Ill send the xoom back to you and give you back $120 for the trouble. Any takers, contact me.
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I'm sure there's at least one taker out there. Its likely the guy who started the 'Motorola refused to fix xoom' thread. At http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1107488
bigrushdog said:
there is no such thing as a bricked xoom. Ill prove it. Send me your bricked xoom along with a $100 PayPal unbricking fee. Ill send you back a restored factory state xoom. If Its truly bricked Ill send the xoom back to you and give you back $120 for the trouble. Any takers, contact me.
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So how would you fix the partitioning of a xoom through cwm? That seems to be the most common "i bricked my xoom" thread.
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I feel that the best way to go about things is to read all you can about ADB, how the Xoom works and the specific root method or kernel you want to use. Then, if something goes wrong, search, search then search some more to try and find someone who had a similar problem as yours and try to learn what went wrong and how...then solve your own problem. If you are REALLY stuck, PM a user who seems to know what they are doing and appears to be patient, or post a question that includes all the details and ask politely for help. Take the knowledge you are given, add it to your own, then try to help other people in the same pickle.
If you look up the word EDUCATION in Websters, odds are the picture will look something like the paragraph above.
Personally I am not cheesed off too badly by the people who do things without sufficient knowledge. The ones that drive ME nuts are the ones who do that, then come into the forum and demand that someone hold their hand and personally walk them out of hell step by step...or better, blame the hardware/software and then angrily return it to the store, pretending that it just suddenly died.
rschenck said:
Personally I am not cheesed off too badly by the people who do things without sufficient knowledge. The ones that drive ME nuts are the ones who do that, then come into the forum and demand that someone hold their hand and personally walk them out of hell step by step...or better, blame the hardware/software and then angrily return it to the store, pretending that it just suddenly died.
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Exactly what I was trying to say. And I know what specific thread you're talking about lol