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hi peoples. i got a question which bug is quite sometime.
maybe i am the only who encounter it. when ever i wish to take a photo.8 out of 10 the image is blurry or smudge. this may be the first device i am using that encounter this sort of problem. is there any possible way to make it better? maybe some meant say that my hand shaken abit on the moment it snap. but there is time i tried shake my hand right on the moment i snap the photo and it seem fine. but 8 out of 10 is blurry or smudge out.
will like to thanks people out there who know how to solve it and thanks alot for spending time on read this thread
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no issues here 1.66 rom perfectly focused.

Is your ISO on auto? If not, put it there. If so, try forcing it to like 200 or 400.

mazzarin said:
Is your ISO on auto? If not, put it there. If so, try forcing it to like 200 or 400.
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thanks guys for the reply.
as for iso. can any 1 really explain what is it ? i had try setting iso to 400. but the pic still look blurry as usual.

.hide said:
thanks guys for the reply.
as for iso. can any 1 really explain what is it ? i had try setting iso to 400. but the pic still look blurry as usual.
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ISO is the camera's sensitivity to light, the more sensitive the setting (higher number, i.e 800) the better the capture in darker situations (the image quality overall, however, will suffer and become 'grainy').
Is the camera set to touch focus?

rp-x1 said:
ISO is the camera's sensitivity to light, the more sensitive the setting (higher number, i.e 800) the better the capture in darker situations (the image quality overall, however, will suffer and become 'grainy').
Is the camera set to touch focus?
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hi rp. thanks for the explanation on the iso.
ya it was set as touch focus

.hide said:
hi rp. thanks for the explanation on the iso.
ya it was set as touch focus
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Try switching touch focus off and take a few pictures. Does the situation change?

does not change. i notice using flash the blurry seem to be gone. but without, it kidda a mess.
p/s. how do i enable metering mode? its gray out on my option.

.hide said:
does not change. i notice using flash the blurry seem to be gone. but without, it kidda a mess.
p/s. how do i enable metering mode? its gray out on my option.
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Are you taking pictures in dark areas or in daylight?
Metering mode is greyed out on mine also.

you're just moving your phone while taking pictures, hence resulting in blurry photos.
Having the flash turned on allows for shorter exposure times, so even if you move your hand you won't notice much blur.
Just try and hold your breath while being still as much as you while while you shoot pictures

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Are you taking pictures in dark areas or in daylight?
Metering mode is greyed out on mine also.
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i am taking on daylight
@ ephestione
ok . at least i learned something new from hd2. thanks alot dude~

good tip to reduce blur in pictures is to set the "brightness" setting to lowest.
This is not actually brightness but exposure time, so shorter exposure means less change to capture you shaky hands.
Pro Tip: also good idea is not drinking 2/3 bottle of whisky in the night and try to take phone 1st thing in the morning

rumpleforeskin said:
good tip to reduce blur in pictures is to set the "brightness" setting to lowest.
This is not actually brightness but exposure time, so shorter exposure means less change to capture you shaky hands.
Pro Tip: also good idea is not drinking 2/3 bottle of whisky in the night and try to take phone 1st thing in the morning
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so meaning reduce brightness will shorter the exposure time?
sorry yah. if my question sound silly. i am a total noob in camera stuff

.hide said:
so meaning reduce brightness will shorter the exposure time?
sorry yah. if my question sound silly. i am a total noob in camera stuff
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yes, becuase the "shutter" is opened for less time, like on a real film camera, the longer its open the more the light reacts with the film, if left open for a long time it will be completely white, if opened and shut extremely fast it will be black...
so, in regards to digital cameras, its the same principal with i think a small lcd screen? registering light.. anyway, its complicated!
so yes is the answer to your question hope this makes a little more sense!

tc3_racer_001 said:
yes, becuase the "shutter" is opened for less time, like on a real film camera, the longer its open the more the light reacts with the film, if left open for a long time it will be completely white, if opened and shut extremely fast it will be black...
so, in regards to digital cameras, its the same principal with i think a small lcd screen? registering light.. anyway, its complicated!
so yes is the answer to your question hope this makes a little more sense!
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wow thanks tc3. realy appreciate for your time for replying me . appreciate

rumpleforeskin said:
good tip to reduce blur in pictures is to set the "brightness" setting to lowest.
This is not actually brightness but exposure time, so shorter exposure means less change to capture you shaky hands.
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Do you have a source for this statement? There is usually a difference between exposure and brightness (see http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/forums/thread653.htm for example) so it would help a lot to know exactly what the HTC HD2 camera "brightness" does.
[edit: I just took five pictures of the same thing, outside in the sun, with varying levels of brightness - they all ended up with the same exposure time.]

also check the camera glass isnt covered in crud

White Balance a bit off?

In daylight the white balance set on Auto looks a bit like the white balance for fluorescent. If I set it manually to daylight it looks fine.
Anyone had this issue?
PS: Running DC 3.1.2

that can often be true for digital cameras set to "auto". The best way to take pictures with any digital camera (not just the evo) is to manually set your white balance according to the type of light you are using.

liquidkernel said:
In daylight the white balance set on Auto looks a bit like the white balance for fluorescent. If I set it manually to daylight it looks fine.
Anyone had this issue?
PS: Running DC 3.1.2
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Just remember, the original intent of the Evo was to make phone calls and to be as a mini computer more or less,, not really to replace your digital camera. Let's not get picky about every little thing now . (Sorry if that sounded condescending, not my intention)

Yeah, I've noticed the same thing. WB is off a bit.
Also, I've noticed that when using flash up close... The pictures are almost always way overexposed.

yeah and I noticed that if you cover the lens with your finger the picture is black....WTH
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mysterioustko said:
yeah and I noticed that if you cover the lens with your finger the picture is black....WTH
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Hahahaha lol

Geosama said:
Just remember, the original intent of the Evo was to make phone calls and to be as a mini computer more or less,, not really to replace your digital camera. Let's not get picky about every little thing now . (Sorry if that sounded condescending, not my intention)
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Well of course. I just don't bring my Canon 7D everywhere.. on top of that I have 20lbs of lenses and other bodies.
For what it's worth it works.

I cannot tell very well the WB, because I'm using the Sprint anti-glare screen protector.

Camera Flash

When taking pictures in a dark environment, the camera flash on my EVO darn near blinds whoever I'm taking pictures of, resulting in a bunch of "I just smelled sh*t" faces. Anybody have any idea on how to maybe dim the flash without turning it off altogether?

I would really like to see an answert to this...and also to an issue with the flash that I have experienced. It seems that, with no consistency or reason that I can discern, the flash goes "blue" and results in a picture with an overall blue tint. Any ideas?

most LED flashes do it, i just deal with it

I think a better idea is to have the flash on at a low level so your subject knows where to look, and then the moment you click the flash goes 100%. My old touch pro did that but I don't know why EVO will not?

The light meter on this phone is slow, and it takes a while for the exposure to adjust to the very bright LED lighting. I Also think the WB is off on a lot of pictures as well. Lets hope HTC and Sprint fixes this because the camera and camcorder could be a LOT better than they are.

it would be nice if we could turn off one of the leds as an option which would help with close nite time pictures

HTC one great phone, lacks focus

I mean it in a literal sense.
If you look at the image below, youll be able to see that its a bit blurry,
I've drawn 2 black lines in the image, notice that the top and the bottom is blurry and the center is focused.
It doesnt occur alot, but it does happen and sometimes even in videos.
Any help as to why? Perhaps 4.2.2 might fix this?

I think the DOF is so narrow because the lens has a wide aperture of F2.0 which helps in low light.

RoSonic_ said:
I think the DOF is so narrow because the lens has a wide aperture of F2.0 which helps in low light.
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Can you explain what DOF is?
Is there anyway I could fix it? You think anyone else has this problem?

"depth of field (DOF) is the distance between the nearest and farthest objects in a scene that appear acceptably sharp in an image." - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_of_field)
And I don't think it's a problem. It's just how the lens is made with a large aperture to allow more light in to the image sensor.
You could try to compensate this a bit by increasing the sharpness from the camera menu.

I'd be more concerned with the poor dynamic range shown in the top of the pic. ;O)
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That`s totally normal for the one, it only exposes the focus point, instead of the whole image, could htc not have given us a choice
John.
americasteam said:
I'd be more concerned with the poor dynamic range shown in the top of the pic. ;O)
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Tinderbox (UK) said:
That`s totally normal for the one, it only exposes the focus point, instead of the whole image, could htc not have given us a choice
John.
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Well that sucks. One of the reasons I bought this phone was for the camera.
Do you know anyway I could fix this? or atleast minimize it?

The problem is when the image contains both dark and bright areas, if you focus on the bright, the dark areas will be underexposed and if you focus on the dark the bright areas will be overexposed, you need to find an area to focus on that will give you an average exposure for the entire image.
I have the same problem, but some photo`s are amazing and some are utter crap.
Try using hdr mode, it takes multiple images at different exposure levels and then integrates them into one photo, but you need to keep the phone very steady, hopefully HTC will fix this problem.
John.
uzman1243 said:
Well that sucks. One of the reasons I bought this phone was for the camera.
Do you know anyway I could fix this? or atleast minimize it?
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Mine does this as well. Easiest fix I've come across is just tapping on the screen in the area you want focused...it seems to hold focus better after the first time and the photos look a lot better.
Problem is, I generally forget about this until after the first picture is taken without it. So it's a process for sure.
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Has anybody tried some other camera apps from the play store, maybe we can find one that exposes correctly, i wish the one had my nikon`s matrix metering
John.
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I bought this Camera Zoom FX app for £0.50p on sale that i never used, i think it`s about time i tried it.
John.

Mine is the same way. Wasn't bashing the camera was just giving my first impression of the pic posted. I think the camera is excellent for a phone. Small sensor and tiny optics will only go so far. This device is fantastic as an overall package.
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The sensor is great for a phone camera, but the software that does the exposure is very very poor or am i missing something???
John.

You rack focus
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Why are all you guys saying this is normal? Either you have defective phones or you don't know how to take pictures! ... The only time my One does this is when I use touch to focus on Macro mode. I have taken hundreds of pictures and no pictures look like yours unless I wanted them to.

Agreed. The picture in the OP looks like an issue with OIS, not depth of field.
If it was a one time thing then this thread doesn't need to exist. If it happens a lot the phone needs to be replaced.
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NxNW said:
Agreed. The picture in the OP looks like an issue with OIS, not depth of field.
If it was a one time thing then this thread doesn't need to exist. If it happens a lot the phone needs to be replaced.
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Well its not a repetitive condition but occurs once in a while. Even in videos.

Try camera fv-5 from playstore. DSLR style camera app with multiple metering modes.
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AllAboutTheCore said:
Why are all you guys saying this is normal? Either you have defective phones or you don't know how to take pictures! ... The only time my One does this is when I use touch to focus on Macro mode. I have taken hundreds of pictures and no pictures look like yours unless I wanted them to.
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I do think it's a flaw in the camera software that exposure and focus can't be decoupled. I LOVE the shallow depth of field but can't use it property because touching-to-focus blows out highlights.

uzman1243 said:
I mean it in a literal sense.
If you look at the image below, youll be able to see that its a bit blurry,
I've drawn 2 black lines in the image, notice that the top and the bottom is blurry and the center is focused.
It doesnt occur alot, but it does happen and sometimes even in videos.
Any help as to why? Perhaps 4.2.2 might fix this?
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Most of these comments come from people who have no idea what they're talking about.
Your phone is perfect. Nothing wrong with it. All you did was tap to focus on the middle of the picture.
This did 2 things.
1. It will FOCUS on the center of the pic. Other areas will be blurred. Hence the term, focus. That's how cameras work.
2. The exposure was adjusted to where you focused it to. What does that mean?
If you focused on a light area the camera will adjust the exposure to compensate. What that means is if it's light, the camera will darken the overall image. Lights become darker, farms become darker.
If the photo is focused on a dark area, the camera will adjust the photo by making the dark area brighter and the bright areas, as a result, brighter. Which is why you have super white skies.
To fix it, go to the camera settings and I think select touch to capture. But to say fix means it's a problem.
It's not.
For landscapes, use landscape mode which will focus on the entire image and bot blur. Also you can tap on the area where you want adjusted, ie brighter or darker. Blur again is only cause you focused. Don't focus on landscapes.
Photographer here. Focus on this comment and not anyone who says your phone is messed up. This is why.
Take a look at my two attached photos. One I clicked on the sky and the other I clicked on the grass. Light then dark. Can you figure out which was which and see what happened to the photo?
Note that it was overcast and cloudy. There were NO BLUE SKIES. it was grey. So the sky wasnt killed by the camera
Btw don't always use Hdr. Don't. Its not a saving grace every time. If you shoot in the sun you're shooting in the sun. Photography rule #1: DON'T.
ALWAYS USE THE SCENES WHEN YOU CAN. WHICH IS WHY THEYTE THERE AND EXIST. SLRS HAVE THEM TOO FKR A REASON!
As for the lines, panorama? Did you move too fast? That's what happens when you do - camera can't stitch properly
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chc31 said:
Most of these comments come from people who have no idea what they're talking about.
Your phone is perfect. Nothing wrong with it. All you did was tap to focus on the middle of the picture.
This did 2 things.
1. It will FOCUS on the center of the pic. Other areas will be blurred. Hence the term, focus. That's how cameras work.
2. The exposure was adjusted to where you focused it to. What does that mean?
If you focused on a light area the camera will adjust the exposure to compensate. What that means is if it's light, the camera will darken the overall image. Lights become darker, farms become darker.
If the photo is focused on a dark area, the camera will adjust the photo by making the dark area brighter and the bright areas, as a result, brighter. Which is why you have super white skies.
To fix it, go to the camera settings and I think select touch to capture. But to say fix means it's a problem.
It's not.
For landscapes, use landscape mode which will focus on the entire image and bot blur. Also you can tap on the area where you want adjusted, ie brighter or darker. Blur again is only cause you focused. Don't focus on landscapes.
Photographer here. Focus on this comment and not anyone who says your phone is messed up. This is why.
Take a look at my two attached photos. One I clicked on the sky and the other I clicked on the grass. Light then dark. Can you figure out which was which and see what happened to the photo?
Note that it was overcast and cloudy. There were NO BLUE SKIES. it was grey. So the sky wasnt killed by the camera
Btw don't always use Hdr. Don't. Its not a saving grace every time. If you shoot in the sun you're shooting in the sun. Photography rule #1: DON'T.
ALWAYS USE THE SCENES WHEN YOU CAN. WHICH IS WHY THEYTE THERE AND EXIST. SLRS HAVE THEM TOO FKR A REASON!
As for the lines, panorama? Did you move too fast? That's what happens when you do - camera can't stitch properly
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The black lines on the image, I DREW to show where it gets blurred (not panaroma).
You're right, but when I focus on the center, all objects in the background should get blurred right? I mean thats how the focus works. You focus on a particular subject (lets assume in the foreground) the objects in background gets blurred.
If you see the image I uploaded (in the top line) the upper part of the tree is blurred and the lower part is focused.
It doesn't work like that right?

Camera issue needs to be reported ASAP

UPDATE: Check link for video
https://youtu.be/ucS8Jv49t-0
And this is a Brand New sealed box Galaxy Note 20 Ultra!
I need help to report this issue to Samsung, i cant find any reference online, tried with my GN20 Ultra and my wifes as well.
Alright, heres the issue. In a very dark room, when trying dark mode with the ultra wide lense, 50% of time after a long processing time, photo comes as a white noise with lines, i will post some pictures, and trust me i can make this happen anytime. So far it only happens with the ultra wide lense using dark mode on a really dark environment like stated.
Ok so now after uploading some photos i realized while zooming happens the same, wtf!
Can someone else please give this a try and report back!

I would say these Pics are enough as reference.

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I would say these Pics are enough as reference.
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Can you try with your N20U?

I could not replicate.
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That could be hardware (the banding indicates that)... if it persists.
Noise should be more or less evenly spread out.
See if lower temperatures alter it.
Try clearing cam data and clear the system cache from the boot menu. Do a hard reboot.
My thought is it will still be there...

Just tried as you suggested, not happening on my Ultra (SD).

Link575 said:
Just tried as you suggested, not happening on my Ultra (SD).
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Did you try in a completely dark room? Dark mode enabled and ultra wide lense?

UPDATE:
I went to Best Buy and exchanged the unit, now i have a "brand new sealed box" Galaxy Note 20 Ultra, i went home, went to the closet, really really dark, dark mode enabled, using ultra wide lense, out of 5 shots, got 3 with the same strange noise!

Possible RF interference?
Any RF sources nearby ie a router, nearby radar, radio antenna etc?

blackhawk said:
Possible RF interference?
Any RF sources nearby ie a router, nearby radar, radio antenna etc?
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Nothing, i just did a screen recorder, so i can sort of prove whats happening, but idk if i can upload videos here! It keeps happening, but like i said, dark room, as soon the sensor sees any sort of light it will give me a pictured as expected, grainy, or dark but a picture!
This is crazy, and i can do the same with my wifes GN20 Ultra!

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Nothing, i just did a screen recorder, so i can sort of prove whats happening, but idk if i can upload videos here! It keeps happening, but like i said, dark room, as soon the sensor sees any sort of light it will give me a pictured as expected, grainy, or dark but a picture!
This is crazy, and i can do the same with my wifes GN20 Ultra!
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Grainy is normal, prominent lines are not.
In a perfectly dark room you'll see random background noise from the cam sensor it's self; this is normal.
If you cool the cam the noise level will decrease and increase as it gets hotter.

https://youtu.be/ucS8Jv49t-0
Link to the video

blackhawk said:
Grainy is normal, prominent lines are not.
In a perfectly dark room you'll see random background noise from the cam sensor it's self; this is normal.
If you cool the cam the noise level will decrease and increase as it gets hotter.
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Exaclty, thats what i was expecting, heres a quick screen record i did
https://youtu.be/ucS8Jv49t-0

If it captures ok low light images... I'd say don't worry about it.
Play with it and have some fun...

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Did you try in a completely dark room? Dark mode enabled and ultra wide lense?
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It was not completely dark but I just tried again in a completely dark room and just got a normal black picture. I'll try a couple more times later incase its not consistent.