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Firstly let me just as I give a MASSIVE congratulations to the guys in #g2root for all their hard work in achieving permanent root. I'm not going to lie, I thought Christmas time was an achievable target when it came to breaking the eMMC lockdown on the G2 and DHD but to do it in early November? (applause)
Anyway, my Black Ops addiction forces me to keep this short and sweet, as time is of the essence and I must earn some COD Points before work!
My question is, when we start seeing custom ROMs, will you be sticking with Sense or moving to an AOSP ROM? I'm interested in your reasons and also wondering whether there are any users who were fans of AOSP (Stock Android) and have been converted by the new and improved HTC Sense 'experience'?
Things to consider are speed, functionality, looks etc.
I'll weigh in with my opinion later on.
Please don't start flaming each other and turn this into some kind of epic fight between the OS and it's illegitimate shell UI of a child!
They both have pro's and con's.
Regards.
I much prefer stock android. Sense is nice, but i just don't really like the look of the dock (even though you can change it). Stock android with the transparent dock at the bottom, and all fancy animations for opening/closing apps, keyboard sliding up etc just looks awesome!
Also gingerbread im sure will probably have more eye candy, but again HTC might cut these from their roms. So i'll be sticking with stock. Cyanogen maybe..
No I couldnt get to grips with sense it looks really flash, but maybe it's because i came from the Magic that the system overhead of running all the ui effects worries me, so I have disabled it all and am waiting on Cyanogen
What counts more?
To me its not the UI that counts but the android version, in other words if i had a choice of CM 6.1 or my current sense rom id go for sense. Don't get me wrong CM is amazing but both being 2.2 id rather take the extra functionality, looks and ease of use of the new Sense roms than an AOSP build. However if i had the choice of CM 7.0 (ie gingerbread) or sticking with sense 2.2 i would move over to AOSP without a second thought!
After coming from the Hero and the amazing FroydVillain 1.5. I cannot wait for Hacre to start cooking ROMs for the DHD. So my choice is firmly in the AOSP camp.
Unless a custom rom offers something i dont have ill stick with sense. I like it graphically and much prefer htcs widgets.
Only phone ive loaded custom roms on before was my htc hero but that was because it fixed a message notification problem.
So far ive no issues with my DHD so see no reason at the moment for a custom rom.
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To me its not the UI that counts but the android version, in other words if i had a choice of CM 6.1 or my current sense rom id go for sense. Don't get me wrong CM is amazing but both being 2.2 id rather take the extra functionality, looks and ease of use of the new Sense roms than an AOSP build. However if i had the choice of CM 7.0 (ie gingerbread) or sticking with sense 2.2 i would move over to AOSP without a second thought!
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
i prefer aosp clean roms,i always used to have aosp cooked roms on my ex-desire and looking forward for aosp roms on dhd
Bring the AOSP roms on !!!
Yes..
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
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Im fully aware of the benefits of CM but being mostly a business user the utility i gain from sense is far greater than on AOSP, however the geek in me just cannot live with not having the latest and greatest OS. Simple as that.
Given the choice of a same version Sense UI and a CM ROM I'd likely stick with the Sense UI version. There is a lot more integration than normal flavour ROMs offer and it's one of the reasons HTC have been praised. Small touches like basic Facebore and Twatter integration without needing an app specific to them is nice, as it the browsing of Facebork photo albums as if they're on your device.
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
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It depends on what you call real functionality. As I just said above I love the extra touches that Sense UI has such as the Facebork photo albums, cross-account linking with updates from social networks in their contact profile on your phone and for me the best implementation of copy and paste outside of iOS. It's basic things, not massively important but those touches are missing from stock Android.
skimminstones said:
Unless a custom rom offers something i dont have ill stick with sense. I like it graphically and much prefer htcs widgets.
So far ive no issues with my DHD so see no reason at the moment for a custom rom.
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me too, i completely agree
I'm really torn between HTC Sense & AOSP. There are positive things for both, as this phone was supplied with android 2.1 and HTC Sense. So for me my first introduction to android was via the Sense UI so once I had rooted the phone and applied s-off I was keen to see what was difference for the user interface (ease of use) and to compare the battery life etc. I'm currently using cyanogen nightly builds, and I'm most impressed with its performance, I do miss some of the HTC widgets, but I get by! now for me my comparison between the two is like comparing kde vs gnome!
Currently my preference is with AOSP, but only by a slim margin as to some degree Sense is (for first time use) easier, but is quite taxing on CPU...
so there's my 2 cents worth!
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
AOSP !!!
I dont use any Sense widgets. I prefer the speed in a Senseless ROM
I prefer Sense ROM most of the time.. i will try to play around with AOSP once in a while but when a higher version of android is out but still no official sense rom is out yet, AOSP is a must.. this applies to Gingerbread and higher xD
How about that sense browser with the translate feature on long press, can't get that anywhere but sense, and LPP has similar widgets
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I'll be sticking with Sense, at least for a while anyway (until I get bored!).
It's nice to have something that just works. Coming from WM6.5 it's such a breath of fresh air to just have a phone that does what it's supposed to when you want it to.
I have a Kaiser flashed with CM6 and a Rhodium with AOSP if I ever want to play with that, but right now I just want a seamless environment, and Sense seems to provide that for me quite nicely.
Sense without any doubt!! The only setting I would choose AOSP is if Gingerbread comes out before an official Htc rom with Sense, as said by many. That would be the only scenario I would choose that, and then decide what to do if/when Htc comes to the upper Android version too. I really feel good with Sense, love it!
I'llstick to the first Sense rom "without all the Sense crap" I will see. Why?
The sense phone dialer is unbeatable, so useful! I don't need the clock, Fancy widget takes care of this. I don't need the news and weather stuff and all Sense crap, but because of the dialer, the contacts management AND the music interaface, it's worth having. In the Desire Android development thread, there was 1 rom like this, but I stuck with a AOSP rom because it was better. This sense rom was ok, but still, too many crap in it. The AOSP was ok, but with an update almost everyday, I could merely keep up. So I gave up and sold my Desire. Now I'm back again on the Android scene, let's see what it brings.
BIG THANKS AND RESPECT TO THE G2 TEAM WHO MADE A DESIRE COME TRUE!!!
f.
dazultra2000 said:
I'll be sticking with Sense, at least for a while anyway (until I get bored!).
It's nice to have something that just works.
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yep, i agree, im not bored with it yet and it works - no reason to change
EDIT: I can't edit the thread title, but I meant "Official Sense 2.2" ...and also "choose" not "chose" .
Hi all,
Now that you can grab the official 2.2 ROM (thanks devs!!), what would you class the main reasons for running it, over something like Azure, which we've had for some time?
Please list your reasons here, as I really can't see the need to change from Azure?! This is what I can think of...
- For Sense
- For Radio (FM, etc)
- For working WiFi
Root can void warranty?
c_man said:
Hi all,
Now that you can grab the official 2.2 ROM (thanks devs!!), what would you class the main reasons for running it, over something like Azure, which we've had for some time?
Please list your reasons here, as I really can't see the need to change from Azure?! This is what I can think of...
- For Sense
- For Radio (FM, etc)
- For working WiFi
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During the last month and a half I have used Azure, CM nighlies and CM 6.1 RC1. Today I flashed the official 2.2 ROM update. I was very impressed by CM because of its speed and smoothness, especially CM 6.1RC1. The benchmark tests give almost identical results. Having in mind that CM is using the old .29 kernel I think it will get higher performance levels with the new .32 kernel. The only things I really miss on CM is the Sense dialer and the Sense weather widget. I really cannot tell which is better. The more ROMs available the better! I think it will be great if someone could implement dual-boot for the Legend
The obvious one being sense - I love it.
Working FM Radio, GPS, and Bluetooth (unlike most custom 2.2's I've used recently)
Working Market Place
Live wallpapers as standard
Better Radio (improved reception and wifi)
Ability to move programs to SD card without reformatting (a2sd)
Oh and the only program I used to root for is already built in - Flashlight! - its much better than any variants I've used before (3 light brightness settings etc).
oh and more HTC sensey widgets available too and WIFI hotspot program built in as standard
and I prefer the standard HTC keyboard instead of the bogstandard android one
Freedom of choice, ain't it great!
I like sense, I like not having to reformat my sd card to move apps. I tried launcher pro plus (bought it) and adw, bought beautiful widgets expecting more from it but was disappointed.
Sent from my HTC Legend using XDA App
TheLegendaryJay said:
Freedom of choice, ain't it great!
I like sense, I like not having to reformat my sd card to move apps. I tried launcher pro plus (bought it) and adw, bought beautiful widgets expecting more from it but was disappointed.
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Couldn't agree more. Also, having your wifi work is kinda nice.
Wifi is working loads better now, the new drivers are awesome.
I am actually not that impressed with the 2.2 update but I wasn`t expecting too much either.
The WiFi reception is great of course and a major plus. The camera is also very smooth and overall speed is superior to the old kernel. The list of official Froyo only features I need ends here though.
On the other hand...
- I don't mind reformating my SD Card to use App2SD
- I am not enough into FB or Twitter to "need" the Sense widgets
- Never used the FM radio before rooting and probably never will
- Already replaced the official keyboard with SlideIt
- I really hate not being able to clean up my app drawer
- The Froyo dock is ugly and lacks usability. LauncherPro and ADW are way better.
- I have freshly cleaned windows and my neck is flexible enough to check the weather myself. If I am already standing outside in the rain, I don't need my phone to tell me that my haircut is in danger.
- The flip clock is way too dominant for my taste. I prefer TypoClock's purity
- Pure Calendar Widget > HTC Calendar Widget
- Barnacle Wifi Tether works just fine. No urgent neccessity for the the official Hotspot feature. Other then that I don't mind using the USB cable to tether if I am already carrying the laptop with me. Wouldn't know who else to tether for anyways.
- No homescreen rotation with the official ROM
- I don't need 3 different settings for the flashlight. The one coming with Cyanogen is good enough. Just let there be light.
- CyanogenMod can be customized and has a lot of useful setting that you can't change with the official Froyo
Of course I am happy that we finally received the update but only to see the new kernel and radio (and maybe some other Froyo goodies) in one of the next CM releases.
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EDIT: I can't edit the thread title, but I meant "Official Sense 2.2" ...and also "choose" not "chose" .
Hi all,
Now that you can grab the official 2.2 ROM (thanks devs!!), what would you class the main reasons for running it, over something like Azure, which we've had for some time?
Please list your reasons here, as I really can't see the need to change from Azure?! This is what I can think of...
- For Sense
- For Radio (FM, etc)
- For working WiFi
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-Offcial = stable. There will be no "not working/won't fix" list. It uses newest drivers, CM is still far behind.
-Everything in Sense is chained : Contacts ~ Facebook/Twitter/Flickr ~ Gallery ~ Calendar/Agenda ~ Clock/Weather
- Official Froyo Quadrant's pts = Azure's pts (800~900)
- And ofcourse, the infamous FM Radio rocks!
My biggest reason to use an official is Sense. I love the Clock widgets because I have several timezones to keep track of, and I love them to all be visible on my first home screen. I can see the time where I am in the status bar, my home in the USA, and for my girlfriend in Qatar. I could never find another app as good as HTC's clock when I was using CM-based ROMs.
The fact that whitetigerdk and Paul had the official ROM rooted in less than 24 hours after release gave me no reason not to move from Gratiend.
I like the stock ROM for few things. Have currently loaded Vodafone based ROM and no issues so far.
- Stable exchange connectivity (email APK in other custom ROMS stops working after couple of send/receive (push) - have tried almost everything. Maybe MoDoCo rom was kind of stable, but again it was based on the stock ROM.
- Wi-Fi tethering is perfect
- FM Radio
Finnally a stable and official rom
Yeah the main thing for me was getting exchange email working nicely.
Push mail (exchange) working fine on you guys' official froyo? I still find CM RC1 email apps to be better for my exchange push mail.
And actually one of the thing I missed the most from RC1 is notification power widget.
Official v.s. Custom
Hi,
I enjoy using the official rom because the GPS, FM Radio, Bluetooth, Wifi work. I use the FM Radio quite often. I prefer sense of the stock interface, everything just works nicely and fits in perfectly.
Regards
Remeez
My answer is short and simple: i won't switch to stock Froyo ROM no mather what happens
Now i'm running CM6.1 RC and extremely satisfied with. The only thing i'm missing is flash support.
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I realised that stock HTC rom is better.
Androot STILL WORKS for softroots and give me the flexibility to do all i need to do with root access. (take snaps, clean cache, titanium backup, etc).
So while my country hasn't actually received the updates, i am looking forward to it.
True right now stock Froyo might be better. But when the cyanogenmod guys release gingerbread, that would be better.
The thing is that developers are always faster than HTC. Plus this might be the last update from HTC. Then stock will be far less than good enough.
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ebaak said:
True right now stock Froyo might be better. But when the cyanogenmod guys release gingerbread, that would be better.
The thing is that developers are always faster than HTC. Plus this might be the last update from HTC. Then stock will be far less than good enough.
Sent from my HTC Legend using XDA App
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Until then... Stock is better..
Sent from my HTC Legend
denisman said:
I am actually not that impressed with the 2.2 update but I wasn`t expecting too much either.
The WiFi reception is great of course and a major plus. The camera is also very smooth and overall speed is superior to the old kernel. The list of official Froyo only features I need ends here though.
On the other hand...
- I don't mind reformating my SD Card to use App2SD
- I am not enough into FB or Twitter to "need" the Sense widgets
- Never used the FM radio before rooting and probably never will
- Already replaced the official keyboard with SlideIt
- I really hate not being able to clean up my app drawer
- The Froyo dock is ugly and lacks usability. LauncherPro and ADW are way better.
- I have freshly cleaned windows and my neck is flexible enough to check the weather myself. If I am already standing outside in the rain, I don't need my phone to tell me that my haircut is in danger.
- The flip clock is way too dominant for my taste. I prefer TypoClock's purity
- Pure Calendar Widget > HTC Calendar Widget
- Barnacle Wifi Tether works just fine. No urgent neccessity for the the official Hotspot feature. Other then that I don't mind using the USB cable to tether if I am already carrying the laptop with me. Wouldn't know who else to tether for anyways.
- No homescreen rotation with the official ROM
- I don't need 3 different settings for the flashlight. The one coming with Cyanogen is good enough. Just let there be light.
- CyanogenMod can be customized and has a lot of useful setting that you can't change with the official Froyo
Of course I am happy that we finally received the update but only to see the new kernel and radio (and maybe some other Froyo goodies) in one of the next CM releases.
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Your speech sounds like pro linuxers over everything... maybe you don't need any goodies in your
Phone, so please buy a 3210 nokia then... weather in time widget is fun, useful sometimes and why not, we love to see our phones doing some eye candy. The way everything is linked is simply amazing... and maybe you don't use any social features.... but today people who want a smarphone is for social uses mainly.
Maybe a cell phone doesn't need radio feature 'per se ' but if the phone has, a why don't use it?? I'm sure more people than you think buy this phone because the radio....
Since I have my legend i install every rom was released and I loved them, but sense interface even tough if it swallow a lot of resources is a very good interface for a cell phone and it's copied in a lot of apps or widgets.... maybe your intention is not to be rude but you sound soooo rough....
Peace and long life for android...
Sent from my HTC Legend
Custom ROM for the Desire Z Bell NAM phone? Please post you opinions if you have used a custom ROM with the Bell Desire Z and have had a good or bad experience. I ask this because the Bell and C2 threads are intertwined for the most part but there has to be subtle and not so subtle differences due to carriers, services, etc.
Most of the customs ROMs are built around T-Mobile G2 platform.........sooo any recomends for the Bell platform specifically? I read a whole bunch but the ROM threads are seriously long, lol, and I may have missed a few things that may be missing for specific providers.
Use the latest Virtuous ROM and kernel. They run flawlessly on my Desire Z from Bell (on the Rogers network). I use the Sense version for the social phonebook functionality and other functions. The Vanilla version is great if you want stock Android, but you miss the awesome Sense widgets which I believe creates an amazing Android experience.
I'm currently running CM 6.1.1 on a Bell DZ (although i'm unlocked and on Telus) and haven't had any issues. GPS works, WiFi works, haven't tried Bluetooth yet however. Everything runs smoothly and I got a cool new boot animation as well
bongd said:
Use the latest Virtuous ROM and kernel. They run flawlessly on my Desire Z from Bell (on the Rogers network). I use the Sense version for the social phonebook functionality and other functions. The Vanilla version is great if you want stock Android, but you miss the awesome Sense widgets which I believe creates an amazing Android experience.
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Yes. I second this. It runs very well "out of the box" and the latest (0.9.0) version the "default" (not "advanced") flavour is comfortably overclocked to ~1GHz when running tasks and underclocked when screen is off so it has great battery life too.
I've been using it as my daily driver. I, too, like the Sense integration of social networks and contacts. This is a really great communications device with this ROM.
MIUI , no questions
I've used Virtuous and it is one of the best I've tried. It doesn't have many new things, since the DZ already has Sense, but it's still a really nice ROM.
From my experiences, cm 6.1.1, virtuous 0.9.0 and MIUI are all reliable enough to use daily, and dangit! you couldn't ask for 3 more diverse choices.
Give each one a try, set them up how ya like em, do nandroids of each, then restore a different one every couple of days and just settle into one.
I prefer Virtuous because I personally dig Sense...But MIUI with laucher pro is sick and slick. Then again, CM6 has to be the most popular custom ROM out there...for good reason!
I guess you'll just have to try em all!
Oh yeah, I used gingervillain for a day. Think it has a little bit of work before it's a daily rom, but yeah, that'll be great when cm7/gingervillain get all sorted out.
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Thanks guys.....will give the Virtuous first try.
I've used stock, the Euro WWE, CM6, Virtuous 0.8.1, MIUI, and CM7 nightly #11.
My feelings towards them all:
Stock - Overloaded with crap. Slow. Takes forever to boot (excluding the fast boot, ie Sleep mode).
Euro WWE - Same as stock w/o the extra apps
CM6 - I did not like this AT ALL. It also ate my battery. Cool boot video though.
Virtuous 0.8.1 - I liked this one quite a bit but there was an annoying bug with the trackball wake and I was almost never being notified of new emails. I used this on 3 desire z's with the same results. I recommend Virtuous if you are into Sense. It's not too different than stock, though.
MIUI - This one opened my eyes and I really wanted to stick with it, but it had a ton of issues for me. The lockscreen kept disappearing and Wifi would not stay on after reboots. The trackball wake option would not turn off after turning it on the first time. Things like that made me weary of this ROM. I tried an early version and also a later one from the beginning of Jan. I don't see anyone else complaining of those specific issues, though, so it may have just been me.
CM7 nightly #11 - This one is my new favorite by far. I really like gingerbread and this ROM is very lean and mean. Between trying MIUI and CM7 I have ditched Sense completely. It's so much more of a 'cleaner', 'pure' experience without Sense. There's less clutter, things just seem simpler, there's less crap that I don't use (browsing facebook stuff through contact list, etc.) The stock dialer is so much better since the contact list is just on another tab, instead of another app completely, and it has a favorite contacts tab (which also automatically adds frequently called people to the list).
I would definitely recommend trying a non-sense based ROM such as MIUI or CM7. They both have better dialers, contact lists, and SMS apps (the HTC one has bugs). They are both leaner and simpler. HTC menus are packed with way too many options, even just adding items to homescreens is overkill. There are some nice things such as the way you set the time on alarms in Sense, and the HTC hub (some nice ringtone sets in there), but not I don't miss much else. CM7 and MIUI both come with a lot of great rings as well. One of the things I liked most about Sense (the 'people' app) is now one of the things I dislike the most. I miss the Sense camera a lot, I am hoping someone can port that over to non-sense ROMs eventually. However the stock Gallery app is much better than the HTC gallery. Another reason not to use Sense is because certain things such as bluetooth are slightly crippled (can't use Wii-mote), and Samba wifi sharing has issues on sense too. Who knows what else. I found HTC sense syncing also brought my phone to a crawl at least once each day.
Hope that helps you in your journey!
I use a DZ on Bell and I would recommend updating the radio to the latest version as I had constant connection problems with reception for calling/data after using custom roms.
I'm currently using GingerVillian and its working great, very smooth and no lag. No major issues so far and I haven't had any fc's. The only issue so far is that I don't get voicemail notifications (not sure if its the rom or Bell). Also, keep in mind that this rom does not have Sense (I like sense, but I'm willing to use a rom without it so I can try out Gingerbread).
RiTZiE
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Virtuous 0.9.0 works great with me. A lot of issues cleaned up since 0.8 Modified stock kernel is plenty fast and has no bugs. Everything just works. If you want to OC, use the virtuous kernels; I noticed a few bugs with the other.
In my personal opinion MIUI was great, but I found it slower and less consistent than virtuous.
Gingervillain was also really nice.
Last time I used a cm7 nightly, it was obvious that it was still a work in progress...
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Im running gingervillain 1.5 on my NAM and I absolutely love it. Its smooth, no lag, pretty much perfectly stable.
Currently testing the Virtuous 0.9.0 Sense ROM with the advanced kernel and quite happy with it so far, 3 days now no issues at all. Stable and smooth.
Will back up in a few days and test the MIUI, Cryo and Ginger as well, may as well........
Tried out the GingerVillian 1.5 & wow!!! Really smooth ROM & works perfectly with NAM Bell! Will keep this baby for a while!
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Im running gingervillain 1.5 on my NAM and I absolutely love it. Its smooth, no lag, pretty much perfectly stable.
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HTC Vision Baby
Still using GV 1.5 and will not change it for quite a bit. Every thing works beautifully with Bell.
HTC Vision Baby
Hell yea it is lol. Can't wait til 2.0 comes out that thing is gonna be vicious..
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Hello Mates,
Some of you might be in here that I've dealt with in the past. I am new to Android, but did a good share of work in here with WinMo and just came back from iOS. My iphone was stolen and I was bored with it, so I have just ordered a HTC Wildfire. While it gets here I am wanting to ask some questions. Obviously i tweak all the phones I own (have a BB too) and wanted to know who can recommend a good ROM that for now that keeps the Sense UI, but has most of the garbage sorted out (Language packs, and other unneeded stuff) so I can start reading. Two years ago, there were perhaps 4 or 5 ROMS per WinMo device, I see the game has changed.
Paul
Well, from the list of Sense ROM's, I would recommend WildPuzzle or Sunnabh. I have used both (Not that others like DK/DS etc., so cant really comment), and, both are fine ROM's. WildPuzzle allows a bit more customization by way of more packages and stuff, and, Sunnabh allows for stability minded approach, but, its your call.
I would say, try out both, and use the one which suits you. Ultimately, have a look at CM7 as well, even though it doesn't have Sense, I was mighty impressed with it. (Initially, even I was more of a "Sense" user)
Finally, hope that your Wildfire does not come with 2.2.1 pre-installed. Else, you will have to hunt around for someone with an XTC Clip.
The best sense ROM imo is Wildpuzzle . I love the transparent status bar and lock screen, its fast and since its just a customized version of a stock rom everything works and its as stable as an elephant on 4 legs.
But if you want a ROM with a bit more customization and android 2.3 (wildpuzzle only have 2.2) CM7 is a very good ROM (mh, what could u expect, Jacob compiled it ). The only problem with it imo is the slow gallery (not sense gallery) and the videocam quality.
Moved to general
I moved away from sense a few months ago and started using CM7, definitely not planning on going back any time soon! It should definitely be your first option if you decide to look beyond sense.
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The only problem with it imo is the slow gallery (not sense gallery) and the videocam quality.
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Which version of CM7 are you using? RC2 has a much faster version of the gallery than it used to, or at least it does on my Wildfire?
After months of testing, I am now using Leaf r3 and it's the best I have ever tried.
ALWAYS stable, no freeze. It's almost stock FroYo ROM but Sense widgets and some useless apps that I hated have been removed (oh thanks).
In CM7, the font looks pixelated, much worse than in FroYo. I believe is a Sense thing. So, I took Leaf r3 and created a Gingerbread-style framework-res.apk and HtcResources.apk, combined with Metro homescreen.
Amazing!
Some Sense apps are much nicer than Stock android apps (specially Camera)
Its for my father's HD2, Windows Mobile is pretty much useless nowadays, and he loves the Voice Search feature on my Evo 3D. Its going to be a NAND rom, not booting from SD, that would be too annoying for him to use.
Thing is, there are only about 1000 roms for this thing....... even dozens of versions of Cyanogen.
And on top of that, I don't know how well some of the custom roms with Sense 2.0 or 3.0 would work, or if any are missing hardware support.
I understand you lose performance if you add-on alternate UIs like sense, but how big is the performance hit? Hes not going to be playing high-end 3D games or performing protein folding or anything on the thing, so as long as the performance loss doesn't hit the "Phone becomes laggy, input lags, and it takes forever to load anything" range, I would actually prefer a sense based rom than one without.
Again, I am doing this for someone that isn't TOO technical, though no stranger to computers either, so I don't need a rom packed full of overclocking and root tweaking options (though a rooted rom would still be preferred).
So then, are there any good Sense 3.0 roms for the HD2 available? Got any you recommend? Do they still support all of the phone's hardware?
If not, what would be your next choice? Is there much point in using Sense 2.0 over vanilla android other than the extra sense widgets which he would probably not care about? Sense 3.0 does have the looping home screens and the very functional lock screen that I know he would find useful.
Thanks, I know a lot of people ask for recommendations, but after searching for roms for days and basically flying blind in the "maybe this one will be good, its got a lot of people installing it" category I could really use some advice, especially for a Sense 3.0 rom... if they exist.
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Its for my father's HD2, Windows Mobile is pretty much useless nowadays, and he loves the Voice Search feature on my Evo 3D. Its going to be a NAND rom, not booting from SD, that would be too annoying for him to use.
Thing is, there are only about 1000 roms for this thing....... even dozens of versions of Cyanogen.
And on top of that, I don't know how well some of the custom roms with Sense 2.0 or 3.0 would work, or if any are missing hardware support.
I understand you lose performance if you add-on alternate UIs like sense, but how big is the performance hit? Hes not going to be playing high-end 3D games or performing protein folding or anything on the thing, so as long as the performance loss doesn't hit the "Phone becomes laggy, input lags, and it takes forever to load anything" range, I would actually prefer a sense based rom than one without.
Again, I am doing this for someone that isn't TOO technical, though no stranger to computers either, so I don't need a rom packed full of overclocking and root tweaking options (though a rooted rom would still be preferred).
So then, are there any good Sense 3.0 roms for the HD2 available? Got any you recommend? Do they still support all of the phone's hardware?
If not, what would be your next choice? Is there much point in using Sense 2.0 over vanilla android other than the extra sense widgets which he would probably not care about? Sense 3.0 does have the looping home screens and the very functional lock screen that I know he would find useful.
Thanks, I know a lot of people ask for recommendations, but after searching for roms for days and basically flying blind in the "maybe this one will be good, its got a lot of people installing it" category I could really use some advice, especially for a Sense 3.0 rom... if they exist.
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If you really want sense, go for a dhd sense 3 rom (Runnymede Sense 3.5 works well on mine), and if you really want looping homescreens, install launcherpro on any rom of your choice.
BUT I'd recommend a cm7/miui rom because in the end, it's still slow.
Linkies:
- Typhoon
- Dorimanx
- DHD Sense 3 - Dungphp
Moon2 said:
If you really want sense, go for a dhd sense 3 rom (Runnymede Sense 3.5 works well on mine), and if you really want looping homescreens, install launcherpro on any rom of your choice.
BUT I'd recommend a cm7/miui rom because in the end, it's still slow.
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Not a fan of Sense 3.5 over 3.0 personally.
And just how slow is it compared to CM7? I mean, I understand CM7 will be faster than a sense rom, even CM7 with sense hacked in, but as long as its not laggy or sluggish thats fine, I don't need it to break benchmark records and run the latest 3d software.
I really like the sense 3.X roms... and i don't find them THAT slow (i have a DHD).
But that god damn graphic glitch is anoying, and i'm not going to disable GPU rendering of sense to get it working without glitches... must wait
daedric said:
I really like the sense 3.X roms... and i don't find them THAT slow (i have a DHD).
But that god damn graphic glitch is anoying, and i'm not going to disable GPU rendering of sense to get it working without glitches... must wait
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Im new to NAND HD2, but not new to the HD2 ( sold my 1st one, just got another the other day ) but I just flashed my first Android NAND ROM and I noticed all thse graphic glitches, i thought it was something else. But apparently its a common problem for everyone? No fix Im assuming.
Anyways im curious what you mean by DHD?
GHetting to performance, HD2 isnt bad at all! Im old time Android owner going back to the G1 and myTouch 3G.If you wanna see degraded performance try flashing a Sense rom on a G1 or 32B device. OWwwo
Well I can recommend Rafdroid rom. Its Sense2 stock froyo. Works mostly well.
So, did they ever fix those graphic glitches people keep complaning about?
MIUI builds are very slick, very impressive on the HD2, can't imagine it being any slicker or faster as there seems to be zero lag whatsoever.
Cyber Akuma said:
So, did they ever fix those graphic glitches people keep complaning about?
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there are roundabout fixes yes
I have the same question (which ROM to use?) but this post still doesnt not give me a clear answer. I have been using Mikhei777 sense 3.0 version (original) but it has lots of lag and is fairly sluggish. He has upgraded it a few times but now seems to be spending more time on the sense 3.5 version. Its my wifes phone so do not want to keep trying new versions. Just want someone to recommend a known good stable version...
Thanks
rzw said:
I have the same question (which ROM to use?) but this post still doesnt not give me a clear answer. I have been using Mikhei777 sense 3.0 version (original) but it has lots of lag and is fairly sluggish. He has upgraded it a few times but now seems to be spending more time on the sense 3.5 version. Its my wifes phone so do not want to keep trying new versions. Just want someone to recommend a known good stable version...
Thanks
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Rafdroid from Rafpigna if you want sense without glitches
HyperDroiD CM7 5.3.0 from Pongster ... my actual ROM ... stable, fast, last gingerbread 2.3.7 ... simply fantastic
nystao said:
Rafdroid from Rafpigna if you want sense without glitches
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Strange, I can't find that one here:
http://android.hd2roms.com/
I've been using Mikhei777's Android 2.2.1 Sense 2.0 rom for quite some time. It works great and haven't had any problems at all with it. The wifi hotspot works also. Not sure about bluetooth and USB tethering stuff. Don't use them. He deleted a lot of the useless system apps but there is a rar file you can download from the first post that has all of the deleted stuff in case there is something you want to put back in it. I've only put on Facebook and the text to speech stuff. I'm not using an ext on my phone since I have a TMOUS HD2 so, I don't have memory issues. Give it a try. If you don't like it you can always flash something else.
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MIUI builds are very slick, very impressive on the HD2, can't imagine it being any slicker or faster as there seems to be zero lag whatsoever.
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exactly, wise words...
if you want a good rom with everything working, miui is the way to go. If your friend is not a hardcore techie, he better stays away from those Sense roms. try it for yourself and compare.. but seriously feature wise Sense is so outdated compared to miui (except the htc widgets maybe).
cheers
The worst about MIUI, it's that laggish launcher/desktop.
I don't know why... it fells "low frame rate".
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The worst about MIUI, it's that laggish launcher/desktop.
I don't know why... it fells "low frame rate".
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That's why I use PAT's MIUI Rom with Sense launcher. It combines the best of the 2 world's. Very fast,customizable and everything is working like in other MIUI rom's and a very good, customizable launcher with the most important sense widget's.
No graphic glitches, not a disabled GPU acceleration and camcorder with full resolution and without lags. And the newest Android 2.3.7 version.
Use this rom since some month's, will never go back to the slow sense rom's. Only the dialer facebook integration of the sense dialer isn't there, but I don't have facebook and Co. But there is already an alternative dialer on the market, probably he can also display the actual feelings (posted in facebook) of the incoming caller and such nonsense.
daedric said:
The worst about MIUI, it's that laggish launcher/desktop.
I don't know why... it fells "low frame rate".
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now you have surprised me not sure which version of miui you are refering to, but i am on jan-willems miui and there is zero lag (its butter smooth) on the luncher. basically there are no issues at all.
btw installing a 3rd party launcher on miui is a no go, as it decrases the fuctionality.. people no offense, but you need to read the miui bible
@Nixda99
one question, what do you mean by:
"Only the dialer facebook integration of the sense dialer isn't there, but I don't have facebook and Co."?
When i get a call from a Facebook contact i can actually see its profile pic from facebook. On contact details i also see his status or last comment or whatever its called clicking on it, opens the facebook app and goes to this comment. is that what you meant?
If you are looking for a good ROM, Team Blue Droid have produced an excellent sense 3.5 Rom which looks the business and works far better than many others I have flashed recently on mh EU HD2. I am not that technically minded regarding SD card partition types, but I run mine via SD card after flasing a 1024 partition using CMR and the accompanying DAF.exe.
link is below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1275119
marcusloosewire99 said:
If you are looking for a good ROM, Team Blue Droid have produced an excellent sense 3.5 Rom which looks the business and works far better than many others I have flashed recently on mh EU HD2. I am not that technically minded regarding SD card partition types, but I run mine via SD card after flasing a 1024 partition using CMR and the accompanying DAF.exe.
link is below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1275119
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I totally agree. The latest version 2.2 is just fantastic
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@Nixda99
one question, what do you mean by:
"Only the dialer facebook integration of the sense dialer isn't there, but I don't have facebook and Co."?
When i get a call from a Facebook contact i can actually see its profile pic from facebook. On contact details i also see his status or last comment or whatever its called clicking on it, opens the facebook app and goes to this comment. is that what you meant?
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Yes!
There are missing also the hardware switching widgets (WLAN, Mobile Network...) but all is in the top status bar. You have only the contacts and the calendar widget, but it's enough for me.
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car01 said:
I totally agree. The latest version 2.2 is just fantastic
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But no hardware acceleration or with graphical glitches, only the new sense kernels should solve this problem. I don't know if there already stable.
How many free ram do you have after start with this rom?