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Switch from Internet to WAP connection - how does HTC do it?

Hey there,
my last two HTC devices used to be able to switch from an "internet" data connection to a "WAP" connection automatically - e.g. when an MMS came in. The device would terminate the GPRS Internet connection and establish a WAP session to download the MMS.
Now using an LG KS20, I have to disconnect internet connection manually.
Why?
And how does HTC do it? Any way of getting automatic switching on the LG?
Many thanks,
N.

What kind of phone do you have? I have issues receiving MMS on just about every ROM I've used on my Tilt. Usually, a reboot will make it work, but I never thought about killing the 3G connection.
The message I get is simply "Forbidden". Do you think it's related?

Flapjack said:
What kind of phone do you have? I have issues receiving MMS on just about every ROM I've used on my Tilt. Usually, a reboot will make it work, but I never thought about killing the 3G connection.
The message I get is simply "Forbidden". Do you think it's related?
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Dunno about the error message you get - but probably your Tilt uses different data connections for MMS (WAP) and everything else (3G Internet). Try terminating the 3G internet connection and see if the device starts a different type of connection to receive MMS.

Yeah... just figured that out. I had been soft-resetting the phone. Killing and restarting the network connection seems to do the trick.
Now, this begs question... why in the hell does a modern day WM6 phone still have this issue?

Force E-mail to use WiFi

I gave my wife my old 8125 to use when her phone went out, now she's hooked on it & wants to be able to check e-mail. she dosen't have or want a data plan on it, and is home most of the time, but can't get to the computer b/c of other responsibilities.
I have set it up to access wifi, and it will use it for PIE, But when I set up the e-mail account it wants to dial out to check. I have tried setting the account to work, and internet but it just won't work, If I let it use medianet it's fine.
Any ideas?

I have not found a way to keep WIFI active at all times and doing so would kill the battery in just a few hours anyway. (seems to be more problematic on secure wifi networks)
This is the solution I use because I don't have an unlimited data plan and I don't want anything using the mobile phone network and thus being charged for data usage.
I stop GPRS on the phone using a freeware program called "NODATA". It toggles off the data connection to the phone company. The phone itself and text messaging still work without GPRS. I can then connect to a hotspot and everything else uses wifi instead. SMTP mail, internet browsing, google, search, etc. all flow through the wifi and I don't get billed for it.
See - hXXp://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/
Works great for me. Simply toggle GPRS back on only when you need it...
I've heard of others setting up "fake" GPRS connections settings and switching to those. Since the "fake" connection fails, it rolls over to WIFI. But this is much simpler.

db90483 said:
I have not found a way to keep WIFI active at all times and doing so would kill the battery in just a few hours anyway. (seems to be more problematic on secure wifi networks)
This is the solution I use because I don't have an unlimited data plan and I don't want anything using the mobile phone network and thus being charged for data usage.
I stop GPRS on the phone using a freeware program called "NODATA". It toggles off the data connection to the phone company. The phone itself and text messaging still work without GPRS. I can then connect to a hotspot and everything else uses wifi instead. SMTP mail, internet browsing, google, search, etc. all flow through the wifi and I don't get billed for it.
See - hXXp://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/
Works great for me. Simply toggle GPRS back on only when you need it...
I've heard of others setting up "fake" GPRS connections settings and switching to those. Since the "fake" connection fails, it rolls over to WIFI. But this is much simpler.
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try wifimonster

setting connection preference ???

is there a way to make sure the phone only connects to my home wi fi hub when at home and does not connect via my 3g vodafone connection. I want it to automatically select the fastest link and not waste my 3g allowance ? I've searched but cannot find a solution, thanks

+1 good idea, anyone got anything on this?

Andi,
The solution I would use would be to go to Settings>Wireless Controls and simply switch Data Connections off, Wifi On when at home.
You would have to remember to to reverse this when done if you want to access 3G services.
WB

u could use G-Profile.. It allows you to set up different profiles and switch them automatically based on your current cell id. Wifi on/3G off when at home, other way around when not. Works like a charm for me

thanks for the tip but when I do that it then automatically turns it back on even when I'm connected to the wireless hub, all of a sudden they both are on . . . . . . .?? any ideas ??

i have the same problem... it keeps using my 3G/EDGE network even if WIFI is available... and i dont get it how can HTC afford not to give us an option to set that the phone asks you for permission when connecting to 3G/EDGE network... this **** costs and im not really happy about the fact that my phone can connect to a network whenever it feels like.
(and yes this **** keeps happening even tho i disabled automatic updates in weather/time applications.)

In BSB tweaks if you press options I think there is an option to disable all data connections. I have never tried it but maybe it will override all connection attempt? Give it a try. Also, I flashed to the 2.01 ROM and I think the data connections are a little less persistent, though I don't wan't to guarantee anything!

andi1977dog said:
is there a way to make sure the phone only connects to my home wi fi hub when at home and does not connect via my 3g vodafone connection. I want it to automatically select the fastest link and not waste my 3g allowance ? I've searched but cannot find a solution, thanks
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does it not do that by default? i cant send emails through t-email when i'm at home - I just presumed this was because i was connected through my wireless router. turning off wifi allows me to send emails.
thus I presumed wifi takes preference?

I am wondering the same thing. The idealist situation would be to have both connections active at the same time, and let the HD2 make sure that wifi is used when the connection is there. Is there some kind of application to verify which connection is being used?

Great thread - I am not the only HD2 owner who is annoyed with the problem with the HD2 switching on its GRPS data connection without my approval!!!
Could it be that the HD2 turns off the wifi when it goes to sleep and then tries to connect to the web using the GPRS network? In that case how do I prevent turning off WIFI when in sleepmode?
I read somewhere else in this forum about a G-profile. Being a newbie with HTC I have no idea what this is. Any clue?
But overall: Yes, it would be great if HTC added an option to set network connection preferences.

WiFi does take preference if it's connected! Dont forget when you are at home and you turn your phone on from standby it will take 10sec or so to connect to your WiFi router, if you try and use IE, Opera, Twitter, Weather Update, Email, etc... before it's connected it will fire up your 3G data connection!
The phone does not how ever turn off your data conn when it's idle which is annoying! You need to use Bandswitch or CommManager from here http://www.commmgrpro.com/jsp/main_frame.jsf;jsessionid=103F335931311F019BD540B82E479383 or WMLonglife from this forum (do a search).

there must be someone out there with ghe know how and expertise to solve this ?? glad to see its an issue for othet folk, i like the idea for selecting wi fi over gprs if its there to be selected.......

I found out that my HD2 automatically closes the 3G connection when I have wifi active. I'm not sure why it does that, I know pretty sure that it had not always done that. But I'm quite happy with it
It turns 3G on again after disconnecting from WIFI, which is what I want.

so if you tap the notifications tab and the "contratc internet" is counting and the wi fii is connected it is using the wifi and not the "contract internet" even though the timer is counting ???
Can anyone confirm ???
p.s tried using the G-Profile software, it seems very inconsistant and didnt always turn off what it should when you select the profile so im going to unistall it.

for some reason the automatic internet settings from vodafone messes up/hides the "The Internet" or "MyISP" connection that is in the phone originally.. I even hard resetted but you just can't seem to stop the automatic settings..
disable the proxy of the "Vodafone live!" connection and it will work.. just like twitter etc..
the same with email only checking through 3G and not wifi.. but set the server settings of your account to "The Internet" after you disabled the proxy.. (advanced settings at the smpt server tab)
hope this helps.. but a thing worries me, as I don't know anything about proxies, why does vodafone specify a proxy if we don't realy need one.. to port us over their live portal or something? (on my old sony ericsson the track ID service didn't work because of that)

"disable the proxy of the "Vodafone live!" connection and it will work.. just like twitter etc.."
thanks but how do i do this ??

anyone know how i do this ? thanks

After including the Taskmanager as a quick link in HTC Sense I am now able to close all programs. Now I do no longer experience any unfortunate GPRS connections when connected to WIFI.
Only problem is that when running on batteries the WIFI connection is closed down when the unit enters sleepmode. However during sleepmode, if I have not closed down programs accessing the web these are now able to connect to the web by using the GPRS connection.
Why on Earth has HTS decided to decipher a click on the X as MINIMIZE and not CLOSE!!!

tnyborg said:
After including the Taskmanager as a quick link in HTC Sense I am now able to close all programs. Now I do no longer experience any unfortunate GPRS connections when connected to WIFI.
Only problem is that when running on batteries the WIFI connection is closed down when the unit enters sleepmode. However during sleepmode, if I have not closed down programs accessing the web these are now able to connect to the web by using the GPRS connection.
Why on Earth has HTS decided to decipher a click on the X as MINIMIZE and not CLOSE!!!
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I believe my Wifi connection is kept alive, even in sleepmode.

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I believe my Wifi connection is kept alive, even in sleepmode.
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Sorry, forgot to mention this - but in order to save battery power I have asked the unit to close down the WIFI when in sleepmode (using BsB Tweaks). And indeed it gives me more battery life.

EDGE connection ATT

Does anyone using the unlocked T-MO USA HD2 on ATT, experience any problems with the connection. Mine sometimes says it can't connect, and then connects anyway. If anyone is having any other troubles like this, insight would be appreciated.

I guess I will dialogue with a fellow Indiananan. LOL. Anyway yes, you will have connection issues with at&t at times. Whenever I soft reset my phone all connections will be lost and I have to reset all connections again which is a hassle. It doesnt reset all the time, but its definitely annoying when it does. After reboot you have to wait about 15-30 seconds sometimes just for it to connect to edge or manually go into comm manager and select data connection to on. Hope this helps as you didnt explain specific connection issue.

Well thank you, this does explain some things. When I reset, whether it be a soft reset or power up the phone, I usually go into COMM manager and initiate the EDGE connection, but you say that if give a few minutes it will connect automatically? Correct?

Yes it most certainly will. It a hassle because Im paranoid im going to miss a call, etc during the time its trying to initiate with EDGE.

yea bro i was going through the same thing as you, heres the solution erase all the net work connections that you have (tmobile data,Tmobile internet,Tmobile mms etc.) then install the Att media net and mms cab and reset your device , then go back into netwrok connections and choose media net as the main way to connect to the internet using a private network and a non private network (settings>menu>all settings>connections>connections>advanced>select network)

alleyezondisromo said:
yea bro i was going through the same thing as you, heres the solution erase all the net work connections that you have (tmobile data,Tmobile internet,Tmobile mms etc.) then install the Att media net and mms cab and reset your device , then go back into netwrok connections and choose media net as the main way to connect to the internet using a private network and a non private network (settings>menu>all settings>connections>connections>advanced>select network)
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Will doing this make it where it connects to ATT's EDGE connection upon Boot, I'm really sick of doing it everytime I reset the phone?

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Heartbreak said:
Will doing this make it where it connects to ATT's EDGE connection upon Boot, I'm really sick of doing it everytime I reset the phone?
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Yes it will because the phone is automatically connecting to the network.

So far it has worked, I deleted the T-Mo connection option in the connection manager, and it connected to EDGE with in seconds of booting. Do you know of anything that I could do to fix the random disconnects?

Instead of trying to connect to T-Mo's by default, I gotcha. It works perfectly. You just increased my love for this phone exponentially, as that was my only real gripe with this device, and of course no ATT 3G, but that was expected.

Sorry, but why no 3G from AT&T?

papasha said:
Sorry, but why no 3G from AT&T?
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It is physically impossible with T-Mobile USA HD2, it doesn't support the right 3G bands, if you want 3G on ATT, you will have to get the Telestra HD2.

Problem with Mobile Internet Connection

Hey forum,
i go away from home and i have no more wifi connection.
Then i suddenly get a connection to mobile internet (EPlus) first.
As i am in an area without a connection and i come back to EPlus, i can use my phone for telephone and SMS but i get no internet connection automatically.
I must use the airplane-mode to totally logoff and 5 sec later go out of airplane-mode. In this way i get the internet connection back.
My wife has the same problem with Incredible S and GingerSense 1.3.
Is this maybe a problem of EPlus? Or is there anyone with tve same problem and another provider?
Andreas

Perhaps it's your wifi giviing you problems, going bad.
Sent from a dream.

If the signal of your provider (in this case Eplus) is weak, it might not find it right away.
Also, try going into Settings>Wireless settings then under Network mode, check if it says GSM/WCDMA
This setting will try to connect to 2G or 3G whichever has the strongest signal, however if both are available, 3G will be selected.