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I'm kinda confused by this post here:
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Launcher is slow with scrolling, browser is multitouch with double tap (I really like it, and can't wait for AOSP eclair!).
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Is there a separate fork that I don't know about with Android? The source code was already released at that time of posting, yet akirah still states that he is waiting for the release of AOSP eclair. So I'm confused.
What I thought by this post was that there is Android supported just by Google, and then there is AOSP, which anyone can edit and then slap on their phones.
Edit: I felt like I should of done some more research and searched more thoroughly, so I did and came back to delete this thread, and didn't have the option to delete it, so I'm gonna ask for some more additional clarification.
Why is it so difficult to get everything working on different phones? Why if one puts 2.0 on a phone such as the G1 or MyTouch it's sluggish? Yeah there are different hardware that needs to be supported, but how difficult can it be to get the different radios, wifi and sound working? Why do we have to wait so long for HTC to come out with a 2.0 image?
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I'm kinda confused by this post here:
Is there a separate fork that I don't know about with Android? The source code was already released at that time of posting, yet akirah still states that he is waiting for the release of AOSP eclair. So I'm confused.
What I thought by this post was that there is Android supported just by Google, and then there is AOSP, which anyone can edit and then slap on their phones.
Edit: I felt like I should of done some more research and searched more thoroughly, so I did and came back to delete this thread, and didn't have the option to delete it, so I'm gonna ask for some more additional clarification.
Why is it so difficult to get everything working on different phones? Why if one puts 2.0 on a phone such as the G1 or MyTouch it's sluggish? Yeah there are different hardware that needs to be supported, but how difficult can it be to get the different radios, wifi and sound working? Why do we have to wait so long for HTC to come out with a 2.0 image?
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That thread was posted on the 27th of October (and edited on the 28th). The 2.0 source was only released a week ago, if that. That ROM was ported from the emulator images. 2.0 requires new drives for the Qualcomm chipset in the Dream, Magic, Hero and Tatoo, which they have yet to release to us. Imagine running your computer without drivers for essential components, even it had great specs everything would run like crap, that's essentially what's going on here.
So now that Android 2.3 is out, what would it take to get it on the Gtab?
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So now that Android 2.3 is out, what would it take to get it on the Gtab?
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+1 I would also like to move my gtab from 2.2.0 to 2.3.0.
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My guess, since ViewSonic hasn't released source is that it will be some time. Perhaps the Vega or Zpad devs will get to it first.
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I think there is supposed to be a official update of the 20th.
I bet it will be Android 2.3 plus whatever app store Viewsonic managed to dig up.
The best thing about 2.3 for tablets like this without 3G is the VoIP phone calling.
Android 2.3 SDK is out. There's no OTA update for Nexus One yet. Nexus S release was announced for December 16th, so there will be something out by then for N1 presumably.
Not sure how much luck we'll have rolling our own Gingerbread build quite yet. We still have no kernel source or any other source code from Viewsonic for that matter. Basically, I'm pretty sure I'll have Gingerbread on my Nexus One well before my G Tablet.
BTW, there is some explicit stuff surrounding large screen support in the Gingerbread SDK. Sort of a recognition that there are now tablet devices out there even though they won't be blessed until the 3.0 release.
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My guess, since ViewSonic hasn't released source is that it will be some time. Perhaps the Vega or Zpad devs will get to it first.
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I'm new to Android, but why do we have to wait for Viewsonic? Can't the standard Android 2.3 source be compiled for the Gtab?
I'd recommend everyone calling Viewsonic support and asking them, if they get enough questions they may find some type of answer so we can guage their actions.
I do know that 2.3 has been worked on for this specific OEM device by Malata(zpad). The Woow! device is supposed to be released fairly soon with it. There are nvidia engineers working for Malata who will be on top of this, and I doubt it will take over a month to get it on our device one way or another.
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I'm new to Android, but why do we have to wait for Viewsonic? Can't the standard Android 2.3 source be compiled for the Gtab?
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Android 2.3 "source" hasn't been released, only the SDK (Software Developers Kit).
You can download the SDK and start coding applications for OS 2.3 but you can't start building 2.3 ROM's until the source is released.
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I'd recommend everyone calling Viewsonic support and asking them, if they get enough questions they may find some type of answer so we can guage their actions.
I do know that 2.3 has been worked on for this specific OEM device by Malata(zpad). The Woow! device is supposed to be released fairly soon with it. There are nvidia engineers working for Malata who will be on top of this, and I doubt it will take over a month to get it on our device one way or another.
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One month is better than six. With what we've seen so far, I wouldn't expect 2.3 any time soon, at least from VS. I know you Devs will get it to us way sooner.
Everyone excited about this VS "update" coming this month, I wouldn't get too terribly excited. Definitely wouldn't expect more than Flash for the Stock ROM. If VS is smart they'll pay Roebeet for his efforts and make TnT Lite the "update"
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Android 2.3 "source" hasn't been released, only the SDK (Software Developers Kit).
You can download the SDK and start coding applications for OS 2.3 but you can't start building 2.3 ROM's until the source is released.
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Ah, gotcha.
Umm, I wouldn't expect anything but 2.2 from Viewsonic. Looking at the quality of their release software, besides bugfixes to make the stock ROM "usable" I doubt they will care about supporting this thing.
Once the source is released your time would be better spent thanking whichever dev decides to take this massive undertaking of porting 2.3.
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Android 2.3 "source" hasn't been released, only the SDK (Software Developers Kit).
You can download the SDK and start coding applications for OS 2.3 but you can't start building 2.3 ROM's until the source is released.
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not quite. you can use the sdk to build a rom.
its very hard and time consuming. but it can be done.
just look at what punk.kaos has done with the eris. there is already a (Very Buggy) gingerbread rom for the eris.
No, you can't use the SDK to build a rom but you can use the crippled system.img they provide in it and try to hack something together. Hacking that and using an older kernel isn't really the way to go. Compiling a rom is going to require source.
Building a rom, to me, is compiling from source. Otherwise you are tweaking someone else's rom or worse...trying to use an image created for the emulator.
Not to downplay his efforts or skill...but that is not a rom to use other than for experimenting or "learning" from.
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not quite. you can use the sdk to build a rom.
its very hard and time consuming. but it can be done.
just look at what punk.kaos has done with the eris. there is already a (Very Buggy) gingerbread rom for the eris.
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No, you can't use the SDK to build a rom but you can use the crippled system.img they provide in it and try to hack something together. Hacking that and using an older kernel isn't really the way to go. Compiling a rom is going to require source.
Building a rom, to me, is compiling from source. Otherwise you are tweaking someone else's rom or worse...trying to use an image created for the emulator.
Not to downplay his efforts or skill...but that is not a rom to use other than for experimenting or "learning" from.
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Idk man. kaosfroyo on my eris has been wonderfully fast and stable (especially for as slow as the eris is) ever since v22. these things take some tweaking.
Hi,
This thread is now for MeeGo's Status, It'll be updated as soon as anything new comes up. (If you have any updates please post them here along with the source link) and I'll update the OP.
Please thank Steve (Strougthonsmith) as well as DFT for the great time they're spending on porting this awesome OS to our HD2s.
Updates :
[Jan 2] Now a video is available from Steve
[Jan 9] Wifi is working properly ! [Not via UI yet]
[Jan 22] Speed improved dramatically with a Video !!
[Jan 23] Unfortunately, Cotulla (& DFT) have suspended Meego's Development (till April ? ) for some reasons.
[Feb 01]Will be released before April, maybe in the next few days ?
[Feb 07]Not really an update, just a few more details.
[Mar 05]More and more details .
[Apr 06]Unfortunately, won't be released as expected, click for more info ..
[May 18]No progress has been made since November.
[Oct 31]Steve clarifies some things, and let's just not lose faith
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Notes ! :
*It's not released yet and no ETA, but you can Donate to Steve through his personal page or Cotulla through his personal page.
*We are not signing people up, and the poll is closed as well, these are just updates.
*I did nothing ! ..all the Thanks should go to any of Steve's posts, not me (not this post !).
*Still alot to be fixed. Even if it is released, don't expect it to be a daily-use OS (for now) .
*Current Bugs' list Provided by Cotulla .
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Spent the day messing with my phone instead of celebrating the new year's. After a lame attempt at getting MeeGo on it myself, hell yes I'm in for any testing.
ooooh yeahhhh!!!..i dont really fancy the meego os, but then again...i didnt fancy android either, and now its my primary os
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Spent the day messing with my phone instead of celebrating the new year's. After a lame attempt at getting MeeGo on it myself, hell yes I'm in for any testing.
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ooooh yeahhhh!!!..i dont really fancy the meego os, but then again...i didnt fancy android either, and now its my primary os
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Thank you and all who voted yes for your support.
When we reach 100 yes-voters I will contact him demanding the instructions
Keep voting !! 76 more votes to go
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Thank you and all who voted yes for your support.
When we reach 100 yes-voters I will contact him demanding the instructions
Keep voting !! 76 more votes to go
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I plan on posting the image as soon as I get the touchscreen working correctly, and WiFi would be a bonus too. Still figuring it all out, but I can guarantee you'd be disappointed if I released right now
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I plan on posting the image as soon as I get the touchscreen working correctly, and WiFi would be a bonus too. Still figuring it all out, but I can guarantee you'd be disappointed if I released right now
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Actually I do know that it's not fully working and most of the features are not working but I want to contribute in developing, I can be much of a help in feedbacking ? we all can !
So I won't be disappointed because I already know how will it look like
So now since this thread prooved so many people want MeeGo I ask you kindly to release it and you can update it regulary and I really appreciate it, we all do
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Actually I do know that it's not fully working and most of the features are not working but I want to contribute in developing, I can be much of a help in feedbacking ? we all can !
So I won't be disappointed because I already know how will it look like
So now since this thread prooved so many people want MeeGo I ask you kindly to release it and you can update it regulary and I really appreciate it, we all do
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+1 i also wanna contribute in the developing
kawazaki said:
Actually I do know that it's not fully working and most of the features are not working but I want to contribute in developing, I can be much of a help in feedbacking ? we all can !
So I won't be disappointed because I already know how will it look like
So now since this thread prooved so many people want MeeGo I ask you kindly to release it and you can update it regulary and I really appreciate it, we all do
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What's the best way to host a 600MB file for you guys?
as long as i can brick my phone (which seems impossible) i am also ready to try!
who wouldnt want to mess with a new OS for the HD2?!
Torrent
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What's the best way to host a 600MB file for you guys?
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I think a torrent would be best, that way we wouldn't have to download it all at once
I'm just curious, what are the advantages of meego over ios, winmo, or even android?
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I'm just curious, what are the advantages of meego over ios, winmo, or even android?
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MeeGo is a full Linux distribution, using X11, so it's very portable. Both Nokia and Intel will be putting a lot of effort into MeeGo to make it perfect for phones and tablets, and it's super slick and multi-touch enabled, etc.
I agree with the rest steve this is how it would most likely play out if you release it now
if you release it now you open many doors to lots of other devs ready to tweak it and improve it just look how far android has come in less than 6 months i mean we have fully functional builds and by different devs each improving in other words if ya notice when mdeejay would release a fix for something no one else could find darkstone would implement it on his next build or vice versa. so by releasing this beta stage of meego you open many opportunities and most likely speed up the process. PLEASE STEVE RELEASE AN ALPHA BUILD WE ALL KNOW WHAT WERE GOING TO EXPECT remember android builds that were extremely unstable? im sure i speak for alot of people
(or atleaste update us with videos on how its going if you dont want to release an alpha build) YOUR STILL THE BEST ive been wanting meego over android for a long time now
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I agree with the rest steve this is how it would most likely play out if you release it now
if you release it now you open many doors to lots of other devs ready to tweak it and improve it just look how far android has come in less than 6 months i mean we have fully functional builds and by different devs each improving in other words if ya notice when mdeejay would release a fix for something no one else could find darkstone would implement it on his next build or vice versa. so by releasing this beta stage of meego you open many opportunities and most likely speed up the process. PLEASE STEVE RELEASE AN ALPHA BUILD WE ALL KNOW WHAT WERE GOING TO EXPECT remember android builds that were extremely unstable? im sure i speak for alot of people
(or atleaste update us with videos on how its going if you dont want to release an alpha build) YOUR STILL THE BEST ive been wanting meego over android for a long time now
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I'm getting help with the touchscreen stuff, so won't be releasing anything until I know it's working perfectly. Might take a couple days, be patient!
I'd love to see meego on my HD2! I was actually really torn between the Hd2 and n900 when I was looking for a new phone. Loved the looks of maemo and possibilities of meego but couldn't get past the n900's hardware
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I'm getting help with the touchscreen stuff, so won't be releasing anything until I know it's working perfectly. Might take a couple days, be patient!
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo now i wont be sleeping for a few days
Very Keen - sign me up!
Intrested too
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I'm getting help with the touchscreen stuff, so won't be releasing anything until I know it's working perfectly. Might take a couple days, be patient!
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I'll be patient, I'll be patient
Meanwhile, about all this homework I've got piled up for uni...
Let me start by saying I'm fairly new to Android, and that this probably should go in a general Android forum, but since I'm a Fascinate user, this seems appropriate to me. I've searched, but haven't found a real explanation, and I'm not one to take things as fact without a reasonable explanation.
So it seems like everyone is waiting for an official 2.2 release for the Fascinate, flashing 2.1 ROMs but not capable of upgrading to 2.2+; but I'm wondering why we can't just compile our own OS for our phones? Android is a Linux-like OS, and I know Linux users would never stay on an old version if a newer (better?) version was available. I'm talking down-and-dirty tweak-every-option-by-hand Slackware here. Is the source available for download? If so, why can't we do something with it? Is something in the phone completely locked and unhackable? Is it the fear of having a $500 paperweight? Is it difficult to regain Verizon network connectivity?
Again, forgive the noob question, and thanks in advance for any help you can give me!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792986
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883004
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=882946
There is currently work being done by jt, birdman, and the other skew of developers trying to develop a working AOSP version of 2.2/2.3. The biggest struggle that they have encountered was the RIL (Radio Interface Layer) binaries. Samsung produced some bogus complex proprietary binaries with no properly working source code. Because this phone is CDMA and not GSM, we can't simply use galaxy s files.
Anyways, the point is that there is work being done to bring it to our phone. They have a working AOSP 2.1 that is currently in alpha stage. Jt basically built his own RIL for this phone to get it working.
If this RIL works, we may end up with 2.3 sooner than later.
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Let me start by saying I'm fairly new to Android, and that this probably should go in a general Android forum, but since I'm a Fascinate user, this seems appropriate to me. I've searched, but haven't found a real explanation, and I'm not one to take things as fact without a reasonable explanation.
So it seems like everyone is waiting for an official 2.2 release for the Fascinate, flashing 2.1 ROMs but not capable of upgrading to 2.2+; but I'm wondering why we can't just compile our own OS for our phones? Android is a Linux-like OS, and I know Linux users would never stay on an old version if a newer (better?) version was available. I'm talking down-and-dirty tweak-every-option-by-hand Slackware here. Is the source available for download? If so, why can't we do something with it? Is something in the phone completely locked and unhackable? Is it the fear of having a $500 paperweight? Is it difficult to regain Verizon network connectivity?
Again, forgive the noob question, and thanks in advance for any help you can give me!
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You obviously have not searched hard enough, as this has been discussed in many places. I would suggest you start by searching this forum (edit: or seeing the links and posts above).
I will say, however, that recent achievements by (edit: the developers mentioned above) have made your suggestion quite possible. If you want to get a taste of what is to come, see the aosp alpha sticky located in the development section. The rom still has bugs, but it is a giant step forward for the Fascinate.
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^^^^^
10char
I must add/point out that the work these guys are doing could easily pave the way for Cyanogenmod- and other well-featured roms to be compiled/ported and used on Fascinate as well.
I've read the above links, but they didn't really quite answer my question. I guess I'm wondering why a Linux-based OS isn't acting/being treated like a Linux-based OS.
Let's say I go out and buy a new computer today. I want to put Linux on it. I get the machine home, download my distro of choice and make an install cd. As I'm installing, I configure the installation either for my specific hardware or I can use a generic profile if my hardware isn't listed.
Now say a new version of the Linux kernel comes out. I can upgrade without having to wait for a version for my hardware. Or if I install MyDistro v1 when I get my machine, and MyDistro v2 comes out the next day, I don't have to wait for someone to develop a version to work with my hardware.
So my question is more of a why can't we upgrade our distro like other Linux variants? Is it because there's no generic replacement for the Samsung RIL? If I were to download the source and do a generic build, or even a specific one, I wouldn't be able to install it because...?
Sorry to be a pain, but I genuinely have no clue. Again, thank you for the insight!
2.2 will boot on the I500 just nothing works. If you would like to help http://opensource.samsung.com/
The source code can be found there. Please feel free to help the development along.
I suggest you read through the reply's to your question and pay special note to those bringing up the RIL as that seems to be the biggest hurdle right now.
I think maybe the answer you are looking for is that it is possible to do it, it's just extremely difficult because Samsung's open source is very shoddy and isn't based on AOS, which is what is used for most other phones.
Since the developers don't have a build that works, they have to work from the ground up with AOS and get every last feature on the fascinate working without using Samsung's code (TouchWiz, widgets, etc).
The links they gave you explain most of it but you have to sift through the posts. There is a dev named jt (amongst others) who is working on a ROM that is upgradable based on AOSP and it looks very promising.
edit: It's also worth noting that when I say "not based on AOS" I mean that it is proprietary software used by Samsung-only phones and is not coded by Google. It still, of course, is based on Android OS. It would be akin to a ROM coded by Samsung for their phones rather than generic ROMs that could be downloaded by other phones.
Perfect, thanks!
Try thinking of it as buying an Ubuntu laptop from dell. Sure its " Ubuntu" but not stock. It so full of bloat and badly written drivers that aren't supplied openly for the user that it would be hell trying get the latest version of ubuntu to run on it.
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For clarification.... so I can wrap my brain around this. Is this situation kinda like having bought a new computer that's running an os, but has no installed device drivers and nowhere to download them from, so they have to be written by hand?
Edit: that last post came thru while I was writing this one, I think it basically answers my question...
So what the devs on here are trying to do is develop a "generic" profile that can work on our phone (as well as others?), creating a solid base to allow users to upgrade and change at-will without having to wait for official releases?
See, that's the part I'm having a hard time with. No generic profile built into the OS to use in the absence of a hardware specific one?
LoverBoyV said:
Try thinking of it as buying an Ubuntu laptop from dell. Sure its " Ubuntu" but not stock. It so full of bloat and badly written drivers that aren't supplied openly for the user that it would be hell trying get the latest version of ubuntu to run on it.
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On a sidenote, I bought a Dell netbook witih Ubuntu. Didn't waste time with Ubuntu, but I chose it because I didn't want MS to get money from a license fee. Installed Mac OS X on it the day it arrived
Ya know, I tried to do the same thing with my inspiron 1525 notebook, with snow leopard 10.6.3 since I have a spare hard drive. Spent a whole day with numerous guides, trying this n that. Got it to actually boot to the desktop once, bit as I was putting the drivers in, it went into KP and from that point on, I could never even reinstall back to the desktop again.
Well, Samsung is giving us a simple/reliable update to Froyo with unique functionality, as soon as possible.
Source: (Twitter, About 12pm 1/2/2011 from Samsungtweets via Cotweet - http://twitter.com/Samsungtweets/samsung-usa )
Samsungtweets We are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S Galaxy S owners as soon as possible.
Samsungtweets We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality
EDIT: gave more specific time and source of tweets. Post is meant to be objective, without definition of ASAP for this context.
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Well, Samsung is giving us a simple/reliable update to Froyo with unique functionality, as soon as possible.
Source (Twitter, 6 hours ago):
Samsungtweets We are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S Galaxy S owners as soon as possible.
Samsungtweets We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality
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I'm not sure if this is meant to be funny or not haha. Are those recent tweets?
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They seem to post the same things over and over, of course this is also because people constantly ask when is froyo coming, and every time they say there is no definite date. It is coming soon that that is all they will say; yelling, moaning and crying isn't gonna make it come any sooner, just sit back and it will eventually come.
what do you guys think about starting this? id think it would stimulate rom development for our streaks. id be up for donating. i pitched the idea in the irc chat room hoping for some honest feedback, but i dont think djsteve wanted people stepping on his territory so he banned me from chatting. i was only trying to help! im sorry.
let me clear this up
i banned you as you were attempting to suggest that i am not working on gingerbread (i actually am if you had bothered to look at my twitter the last 2 days) and als osuggesting that all the working i have put into themeing is ugly and useless and tried to say that i shouldn be adding them, to which i told you to do it yourself then when you continued going on about it earned a ban, i never once said anything regarding gingerbread (other than its utter ****e anyway and not useful on the streak imho)
and to prove a point attached a screenie of 2.3 on streak
As Bounty,s never seem to work i will close this thread
i would like to apologize to djsteve. i didnt mean to imply that you werent working on a gingerbread rom, though you are giving me mixed feelings on the subject though with your latest comment. as far as i understood, you wherent planning on a gingerbread rom, and wasnt capable of producing one. i was just trying to get more developers in to help. i dont use twitter and havent seen yours in more 2 days so i didnt know what you where up to. could you just let me know next time without the name calling and bans. if it would help get gingerbread on, i could even donate money to you. i would work on it myself but ive had less than with success on building my own roms.
you can relock this thread, thanks for unlocking so i could apologize. youre a good moderator lufc.
i said i wudn be making a gingerbread rom as the changes required to the touchscreen driver to make it useable would not be worthwhile at that time, but the new alpha kernel dell let me have solves said issue
oh awesome. i just tried to check your twitter. theres so much on there i dont even know how to sort it. >_<
ok ill save you time, attaching the recent 2 pics i posted, the touchscreen driver has needed to be totally rewritten to work on 2.3+ so it would of not been worth my time to hack at previously is all i was meaning
Just curious, with the new touchscreen driver, does this make MIUI, Cyanogenmod, etc much easier to build? The alpha kernel supplies a big piece of the puzzle, correct?
Thanks for all your work. Hopefully it's proving to be rewarding
not really, the new driver only works on 2.3+ builds
At least with MIUI, you dont build it, you hack it. They dont release their sources so any ports to non-supported devices are hacked from the orig files.
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not really, the new driver only works on 2.3+ builds
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Since you said that the new drivers are from an alpha kernel Dell let you have, does that suggest that Dell will continue to support our Streak and maybe even release an official Gingerbread or HoneyComb rom? Or do you think that Dell may supply you with any HoneyComb supported drivers? Also, thanks for all your hard work DJ_Steve.